Zinc Saucier XI (Rebooted): Roman numerals and nature

**mattie_p** · 2012-12-23, 08:45 PM (ISO 8601)

Welcome one and all to the eleventh Zinc Saucier challenge, where Playgrounders come to test their skill in the art of beautiful and bizarre (and bizarrely beautiful) builds.

The challenge? To come up with a build that has the same abilities and feel as the Secret Ingredient WITHOUT actually using it!

For the eleventh challenge get ready to channel your inner wilderness, from the Player's Handbook, the Druid!

Our challengers will have about 2 weeks to build a complete build from levels 1-20 using a 32 point buy and all official 3.5 material (excluding dragon magazine, but including any WOTC online enhancements) with the abilities and feel of a Druid without actually using any levels in it.

Entries must be submitted by Sunday, 11:59pm GMT, 6 January, 2013.

Contestants will be judged and awarded a score out of 5 in each of 5 categories;

* Innovation (Uniqueness in character concept, race, class, etc)
* Power (How powerful and versatile it is compared to the base class)
* Elegance (What can only be described as how well the build "flows", i.e not using lots of 1-2lv dips, sacrificing flavour for power or using flaws)
* Fluff (How well the characters back-stories and classes mesh)
* Ingredient (How well the build captures the abilities and feel of the base class)

Presentation would be best in the style of how the iron chef does their presentations, however any style is allowed so long as it is clear on how the build was made.

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For entries with spellcasting, use the following table for Spells per day and Spells Known. (Spells Known only if necessary, i.e. Sorcerer or Bard, but not Wizard or Warmage). For other systems (Psionics, ToB, Incarnum, etc.) keep track of PP/maneuvers/essentia separately, preferably in a nice neat list, similar to this:

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Please do not post details of your build on the board before it is ready, so as not to spoil the surprise for others.

Sauciers may submit as many builds as they want but please don't use leadership, as we don't want to overfeed the judges.

In a change from previous competitions, we are permitting open posting of your builds prior to the deadline. Please post your ideas, and final builds when you can. Others (competitors or otherwise) are free to comment on your ideas, and sauciers are free to edit their ideas up to the deadline. Judges should not penalize competitors who edit or modify their builds prior to the deadline, regardless of input from others.

Previous challenges;

A few administrative notes:

Originally Posted by Iron Chef Chairman"

Competitors will be free to use any official 3.5 rulebook in constructing their builds. Dragon magazine is disallowed, and Unearthed Arcana is allowed; but see Elegance below. Web-exclusive 3.0 or 3.5 materials by WotC are expressly allowed, but take care to verify that an updated version did not appear in print elsewhere, as this may cause an Elegance deduction at the judges' discretion. Alternate rule systems from UA such as gestalt are not allowed, as they create a different playing field. Also, item familiars are forbidden because I hate 'em. This comes up often enough to bear mention in the rules: Dragon Compendium is allowed.

Power level is up to you. Cheese is acceptable, but should be kept to a sane level unless you're showcasing a new TO build you've discovered. In the words of one of my predecessors, a little cheddar can be nice, but avoid the mature Gruyere unless you're making a cheese fondue.

Elegance could bear a little elaboration. It basically measures how skillfully you put your build together, and whether you sacrificed flavor for power. We're cooking here - if your dish doesn't taste good, it doesn't matter how well-presented it is. Use of flaws is an automatic loss of one point per flaw in this category. Other things that will cause lost points here are excessive multiclassing, and classes that don't fit the concept - using Cloistered Cleric in a front-line melee fighter, for example, may lose you points. Please note the following change: a legal source's relative obscurity should not be considered as penalizing Elegance, excepting the aforementioned issues with Unearthed Arcana. Using too many sources may be an Elegance deduction at the judges' discretion, but a book's relative obscurity may not.

Level adjustment buy-off (from Unearthed Arcana) is expressly prohibited, because this is an ECL 20 build. You are not granted a set experience point total to use. Bloodlines are permitted, but at the cost of +1LA per bloodline level (this is a change from the rules in UA where the character's ECL does not increase).

This competition is inspired by the Playground Iron Chef Competitions and uses mostly identical rules.

Also it comes with double prize money.

Allez Sauciers!

**The Gilded Duke** · 2012-12-23, 09:51 PM (ISO 8601)

1. Druid of Change

So far my first thought is that druid seems a class more concerned with preserving things as they are right now rather then the "Natural Order" of things. This seems especially true in Eberron where the druids are opposed to the Delkyr lords, who once every few thousand years or so invade the word and warp living creatures to new forms that they much prefer. What I find notable, is that the invasion of the Delkyr is a regularly occuring event, and in the setting seems to be the only system that creates natural change, that in a way the Delkyr might be a living force of evolution. This becomes even more apparent if you look at the way their main magic artifact, the husk of infinite worlds works. It takes a sample creature, and forces it to reproduce and go through generation after generation of offspring, with the Delkyr killing off the children that do not have the "correct" mutations, until finally the creatures descendents become something truly pleasing. This is how they made the Mindflayers the beholders and pretty much all of the other Aberrations in the setting.

This makes me think that the most natural of processes in Eberron is Aberrant mutation.

So the first concept I have going is a "Druid of Change" who would be opposed to the old fashioned "Druid of Stasis". Mechanically I was thinking Delkyr Half-Brood Psion Shaper going into that prestige class that gives them wild surge and the ability to open up portals to planes of madness. Might also try the calamaty mage prestige class, I think its from the explorers madness which directly allows its casters to open up a portal to the Xoriat and douse their enemies in the flesh melting lemon rains of the plane of madness. If I went with that, would see about either a psionic adaptation, or going Half-Brood wizard base.

2. Druid of the People

Druids are able to take the form of animals, magical beasts, and even sometimes outsiders and aberrations. What they are rarely able to take the form of however is people. Which is strange, because in the end people are naturally occuring creatures too. While they have tools and a society, they are not alone in this. Many species of birds are noted for their tool use, and many insects are noted for their large societies, dwellings, and even their practices of domestication.

Shouldn't a druid also be able to emulate the naturally occuring social tool-using animals? The People Druid would try to do just that, to be able to "Wild Shape" into, in the end, entirely different people. While binder would probably be the best way to do this mechanically, it doesn't quite have the feel I am going for.

What I was thinking instead is some sort of Changeling Chameleon. What would be ideal is to get a few caster levels in before taking Chameleon, maybe some bard or beguiler? That way after taking Chameleon the character can take a prestige class that advances their casting abilities. Now Chameleon doesn't qualify as a prerequisite, but it never says it can't be affected by the abilities of another prestige class, so bard would qualify but then the prestige advancement would be applied to chameleon instead.

Now at first this might seem too distant from druid itself, but I think that the ties to the Wild Shape ability, Wild Empathy, and thousand faces should be enough to make it work.

What are others thinking so far?

**mattie_p** · 2012-12-23, 10:03 PM (ISO 8601)

With the new open format, I was thinking of entering myself - ruling myself out as a judge. I was thinking going wildshape focus, emphasizing all the various options available with WS. Not sure how I intend to go about pursuing WS yet, but those are my initial thoughts.

**The Gilded Duke** · 2012-12-23, 10:05 PM (ISO 8601)

I think the traditional wild shape without druid option is Wild Shape Ranger, as long as you prestige out of it early, however that (and many of the wild shape options) will cost you spellcasting. The Planar Shepherd gets you lots of nice shaping with casting though. Not sure how that would rate with judges though on closeness to druid.

**mattie_p** · 2012-12-23, 10:25 PM (ISO 8601)

Well, yes, but there are other ways to get something similar to wildshape. (Wiz 17 gets shapechange, for instance). Just thinking out loud here, and we have no judged yet. But in 3.5 Wildshape is fairly archetypical for Druids, and I'd want to seriously address it in any entry.

**Draz74** · 2012-12-23, 10:39 PM (ISO 8601)

I probably won't get time to write a full entry, but I'm thinking Bard / Totemist, with the Divine/Savage/Fey Bard Variants. Maybe with Holt Warden (CCh) as the PrC?

**Eonir** · 2012-12-23, 10:42 PM (ISO 8601)

I'll play. I love me some druids who aren't druids.

**mattie_p** · 2012-12-23, 10:55 PM (ISO 8601)

I want to do some book diving for some monster that works as a druid. Don't give me hints. Nymph is too obvious.

**The Gilded Duke** · 2012-12-24, 02:04 AM (ISO 8601)

Looking at the people druid option, what seems like it might work out pretty well is 3 Wizard / 3 Cleric/ 1 Chameleon / 9-10 Geomancer / 3 ? Could possibly shave off some wizard levels with Precocious apprentice as well although that might hurt elegance. I think I can get Bluff and Disguise with the right cleric domains.

Cleric and Wizard fulfill the geomancer requirements, but then after taking geomancer I'd apply the spellcasting to Chameleon each time. This would progress the Chameleon spellcasting whether it was arcane or divine at the time. Also between Chameleons own abilities, and Ley Lines, the caster level could be boosted to 23 before any feats or magic items.

The Drift would also work well with the whole druid wild shape idea, and Im pretty sure changeling would be able to cover up the effects as it actually changes your form. The nice bit was that geomancer would allow casting arcane spells in armor, and casting divine spells with an intelligence modifier.

Still, it would be nice to get higher level spellcasting, and potentially be able to do both arcane and divine at the same time, which requires 7 chameleon. Although the dual casting doesn't really fit druids as well, as they usually can only be in one "Shape" at a time.

Another option is Wizard 1(Precocious Apprentice) 4 Binder, Chameleon 1, Anima Mage 9. This gives a wider variety of class features available, however sadly Anima Mage advances arcane only. Maybe there is an arcane prestige class that emulates druid or another divine casting list?

Also looked at Master of Masks, but it didn't really offer enough.

**Techwarrior** · 2012-12-24, 03:01 AM (ISO 8601)

I have an idea...
It is glorious.

**Feralventas** · 2012-12-24, 04:15 AM (ISO 8601)

Would it be considered "level-dips" to go back and forth between a pair of classes? Say, Ranger1/Mystic1/Ranger2/Mystic2 and so forth?

**The Gilded Duke** · 2012-12-24, 05:00 AM (ISO 8601)

I dont think so? usually judges seem to dislike it when somebody has less then 3 levels in a class, but dont care as much how they are connected.

**IdleMuse** · 2012-12-24, 09:08 AM (ISO 8601)

I have a great build, but it needs a feat from Dragon...

I'm gonna try and work it around another way.

**Feralventas** · 2012-12-24, 04:22 PM (ISO 8601)

Is there a requirement on waiting until we can post submissions? Have a fair amount of time and might have it done much sooner than the deadline.

**mattie_p** · 2012-12-24, 04:34 PM (ISO 8601)

Feel free to post when you are able. Multiple entries are permitted, and judges will have to take into account timing of submissions for potential "borrowing."

**motoko's ghost** · 2013-01-10, 09:52 AM (ISO 8601)

Does anyone have anything? I know a couple of people were working on something.

**Tokuhara** · 2013-01-10, 11:28 AM (ISO 8601)

I may try my hand at this. I don't care if I win or not. I'll post it tonight and try and work outside the guilded cage with a Dark Horse option. No more than that will be released at this time.

**Larkas** · 2013-01-10, 11:50 AM (ISO 8601)

I just made something that might just fit the bill, but... It uses Dragon Magazine material

**Tokuhara** · 2013-01-10, 06:00 PM (ISO 8601)

Markhus the Psi-"Druid"

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Considering that Druid is my class of choice, I wanted to exemplify the Naturalist aspect. But since no druid levels are allowed, I decided upon the Dark Horse that is Psionics. For this, I will be using an Azurin (Magic of the Incarnum) and I will have no “traditional” spellcasting in this design. Also, I have placed upon myself the constraint of no flaws, no alternate class features, and using as few books as possible, as well as Randomly Rolled Ability Scores (as an added challenge). With that, here's my Nature-Lovin' Psychic Hippie.

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Strength: 12 (+1)
Dexterity: 13 (+1)
Constitution: 16 (+3)
Intelligence: 13 (+1)
Wisdom: 23 (+6) {All ability score adds were put into wisdom}
Charisma: 10 (+0)

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Note: The Essentia Totals have the feats and racial added

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This is a matter of personal preference. I'd give a list, but the Min/Max boards are down

. As for the Ardent Side, you will know the powers from all three of your mantles fully, so have fun with that.

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I designed this build to replicate as much of the druid as possible. The Creation mantle mimics Summon Nature's Ally (somewhat) and Animal Companion (Somewhat) while the Soulmelds can mimic Wildshaping (more akin to the Shapeshifter variant Druid). I dunno where it ranks tier-wise, but I had a lot of fun building this and I hope I do well. And now, if you will excuse me, my fingers are going on strike from all the typing I had to do

I know this is a hair late, but I didn't see the original thread. Hope mine can be judged

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**mattie_p** · 2013-01-11, 02:09 PM (ISO 8601)

Completely forgot about this, and therefore completely forgot to keep it bumped. I have an idea, may not get a chance to complete it, we'll see. Obviously people are free to keep posting builds. With no big reveal, there is no official deadline.

Larkas, feel free to post it anyway, any judges we do get may make a deduction, but better than no entry at all.

**Larkas** · 2013-01-12, 03:21 PM (ISO 8601)

Okay! I finally came up with this build. Turns out the other build I had in mind was more "nature gish" and less "druid-like", so I ended up doing this from scratch. Good news is, I could do this with 100% official material, so, yay!

I think it came out alright. It is the first time I enter a competition like this, so let me know if there's any information missing or anything that needs clarification! And lastly, sorry for the crappy background story, it was the best I could do in such a short notice

Well, without further ado, I present to you...

Ainuliel Thundaravunii, the Sky Priestess

Background:

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Ainuliel is a Raptoran born in the high forested regions of the Monsoon Peaks, a range of mountains present in the equatorial region of an unknown Prime world. Trained from a very young age by her tribe's seer in the ways of the druids, her apprenticeship would be cut short long before she came of age. Ainuliel's world was shaken to its very core when a large scale war between Air and Earth elementals broke out, and the Raptoran's warriors were all called to aid their elemental lords in battle. Ainuliel's master went to war, of course, and most of the adults in her tribe also did. The only ones that stayed behind were those too old, too young or the so-called "gliders", Raptoran's that, for one reason or another, couldn't use their wings for proper flight.

One of these gliders was Ainuliel's uncle, a frail man that kept mostly to the ground, studying dusty tomes of weird appearence and even weirder origin. He was a kind man, to be sure, but most others in the tribe viewed him with a mix of pity and contempt. His name was Hentofinin, meaning "Glory of the Heavens" in their tongue, and he never bothered to take the rite of passage that all Raptorans must undergo to earn their ability to fly, something that bordered heresy in that society. He was a very intelligent man, however, and the rest of the tribe frequently turned to him for advice. He took care of Ainuliel while both her parents went to war, and also sheltered many of the elderly.

The war was fierce, and soon large swaths of land were ruined by earthquakes and hurricanes. It was when the ground beneath her beloved mountains started to shake that Ainuliel's life took a sharp turn. Her uncle, fearing that the mountains' peaks would come tumbling down, started to search furiously between his books for something that might change their grim fate. After a few minutes, he found what he was looking for: a large piece of parchment, full of symbols Ainuliel couldn't understand. Hentofinin read the scroll's brief words and, in a moment, something that could only be described as a gate opened before Ainuliel's eyes. Her uncle urged her and the elders to enter the strange passage, and yelled for a few younglings that were looking through his window to follow them.

Ainuliel couldn't believe her eyes. When she stepped through the portal, he saw herself in the most beautiful place she had ever seen, a real paradise. Soon, she would learn that she, her uncle and the remnants of their tribe were transported to a realm of pure good: they were in Elysium.

Her new home was filled with powerful creatures, creatures with animal-like features not unlike herself. They called themselves Guardinals, and were, to her child eyes, something like beast angels.

Ainuliel's tribe was welcomed, and was allowed to settle a mountainous region under the guidance of Avorals. It was under these creatures that Ainuliel came to know Mielikki, which would become her patron god.

Ainuliel trained hard and long under his clerics' tutelage, while also trying to honor the memory of her late master. She became an embodiment of good, certainly, but she also became a hero of nature, of animals and plants both big and small, and a leader to her people. Following in her master's footsteps as best as she could, Ainuliel came to be a fast friend of her Guardinals' hosts, and became a paragon of her race. Seeking to help the downtrodden and stop evil in any way she could, she became an important champion of those celestial realms. Now, powerful and wise, she wants to go back to her home plane to tend to her war-torn world - but also to learn what became of her parents and her tribe's seer.

Basic Information:

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Race: Raptoran
Sex: Female
Alignment: Neutral Good

Ability Scores:

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Strength: 10 (+0)
Dexterity: 10 (+0)
Constitution: 14 (+2)
Intelligence: 12 (+1)
Wisdom: 23 (+6) (18 base + 5 from level up)
Charisma: 10

Character Progression:

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{table=head]Level|Class|Base Attack Bonus|Fort Save|Ref Save|Will Save|Skills|Feats|Class Features

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|Knowledge (nature) 16, Survival 9, Handle Animal 12, Concentration 16| |Exalted companion, wild shape (2/day)

14th|Lion of Talisid|

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|Knowledge (nature) 17, Survival 9, Handle Animal 15, Concentration 17| |Lion's pounce, wild shape (3/day)

15th|Lion of Talisid|

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|Knowledge (nature) 23, Survival 19, Handle Animal 23, Concentration 23| |Beckon breeze[/table]

Spell Progression:

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{table=head]Level|0lvl|1st|2nd|3rd|4th|5th|6th|7th|8th|9th

1st|3|1+1|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-

2nd|4|2+1|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-

3rd|4|2+1|1+1|-|-|-|-|-|-|-

4th|5|3+1|2+1|-|-|-|-|-|-|-

5th|5|3+1|2+1|1+1|-|-|-|-|-|-

6th|5|3+1|3+1|2+1|-|-|-|-|-|-

7th|6|4+1|3+1|2+1|1+1|-|-|-|-|-

8th|6|4+1|3+1|3+1|2+1|-|-|-|-|-

9th|6|4+1|3+1|3+1|2+1|-|-|-|-|-

10th|6|4+1|4+1|3+1|2+1|1+1|-|-|-|-

11th|6|4+1|4+1|3+1|3+1|2+1|-|-|-|-

12th|6|5+1|4+1|4+1|3+1|2+1|1+1|-|-|-

13th|6|5+1|4+1|4+1|3+1|3+1|2+1|-|-|-

14th|6|5+1|5+1|4+1|4+1|3+1|2+1|1+1|-|-

15th|6|5+1|5+1|4+1|4+1|3+1|3+1|2+1|-|-

16th|6|5+1|5+1|5+1|4+1|4+1|3+1|2+1|1+1|-

17th|6|5+1|5+1|5+1|4+1|4+1|3+1|3+1|2+1|-

18th|6|5+1|5+1|5+1|5+1|4+1|4+1|3+1|2+1|1+1

19th|6|5+1|5+1|5+1|5+1|4+1|4+1|3+1|3+1|2+1

20th|6|5+1|5+1|5+1|5+1|5+1|4+1|4+1|3+1|3+1[/table]

**IdleMuse** · 2013-01-12, 05:34 PM (ISO 8601)

I like Lion of Talisid, I was gonna use that too.

**Larkas** · 2013-01-12, 10:57 PM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by IdleMuse

I like Lion of Talisid, I was gonna use that too.

That PrC is certainly the crux of this build

I built around the concept of using it, and much to my surprise, things fit quite well. You end up with an animal companion equivalent to a level 17 Druid, nature-based Cleric spellcasting (equivalent to a level 19 Cleric, and the first level of Skypledged gives access to up to 3rd level Druid spells.) and a somewhat good wild shaping feature, roughly equivalent to a level 11 Druid. Between that, all the goodies given by the PrCs and the fact that the build wasn't feat starved, I really hope that this "pseudo Druid" can fare well in the comparison with the real deal.

**rockdeworld** · 2013-03-18, 09:39 PM (ISO 8601)

I submit my opinions as judging. Ready your torches and pitchforks.

My criteria:

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Note: My criteria was yanked from Piggy_Knowles and Kazyan, kudos to them.

Start with a 3 in Innovation, Fluff, and FtSI and add +1/0.5 for each yes, -1/0.5 for each no, or 0 if it's ambiguous.
Innovation: (+/- 1 each)
Does the entry make use of any unique mechanical tricks/feat chains?
Does the entry avoid known cheese and overused optimization suggestions?
Power:
1: Build is helpless even at its job.
2: Build cannot fill any of the roles of a mildly-optimized Druid: primary melee, primary ranged, primary skillmonkey/scout, primary healer, primary buffer, or primary caster
3: Build fills one party role of a mildly-optimized Druid.
4: Build fills at least 2 roles of a midly-optimized Druid.
5: Your build is solidly tier 1 or higher (several 9th level divine spells-or equivalent-per day at level 20, competitive with Shapechange, Tsunami, and Summon Elemental Monolith; or excellent summoning/wildshaping tricks that can solve any encounter with reasonable prep time).
Elegance:
All builds will start at Elegance 4, and then be given the following deductions and benefits:
-0.5: Difficult to follow or figure out what it does
-1: Choppy power growth so that the build is unacceptably weak for
many levels: waiting for it to "come online", as the other judges put it.
-1: Overreliance on items or other WBL-based options, such as paying NPCs for expensive spells.
-0.5 per use: May-contain-dairy-products rule variants. LA buyoff, magical locations for feats, lesser planetouched, and bloodlines count, but the list is not exhaustive.
-1: Dismissing/handwaving fluff.
Up to -2: Rules violations. Nitpicks that don't affect anything? -0.25. Things that negate one of your tricks or require selective rebuilding? -1. Pulling athread that basically unravels your entire build? -2. Any build that recieves -1 or worse in rules violations is eligible for a 0.
+0.5: Class progression is particularly natural, such as X 5/SI 10/Y 5.
+0.5: Does not require multiclassing penalties to be ignored.
Up to +1: Build seems like it would appear natural, not abominably min-maxed, to a fairly new player. Max score is 5.
Fluff: (+/- 1 each)
Does the backstory account for any PrC/additional base class choices?
Does the backstory explain how this character ends up emulating the SI?
Faking the Secret Ingredient: (+/- 0.5 each)
Does the entry have the same or better chassis (HD/BAB/saves) as the SI?
Does the entry have all the same or better class abilities (not including spellcasting) as the SI? Druid has a lot of minor class features, so I'll be a bit lenient on this.
Are the abilities gained on the same or earlier level compared to the SI?
Does the entry have similar spellcasting progression as the SI?

Markhus

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Innovation: 3.5
Natural World mantle + Totemist levels are nice, as is Psycarnum Infusion + Midnight Augmentation (+1). Other optimizations (eg Ardent mantles) are right out of an optimization handbook (-0.5).
Power: 2
Thanks to your totemist meldshaping and chakra binds you can almost pull off primary melee, but your HD is so low from Ardent and Soul Manifester that your chassis doesn't support it. Totemists have the potential soulmelds for a scout, but your build doesn't have the skills. You were right to assign the two highest rolls to Wis and Con, but your Str is low for a frontline meleer, and your dex is low for stealth. You don't have the abilities for primary ranged/healer/buffer, or variety for primary caster, and your 9th level powers are meh. On the plus side, you have Autohypnosis, which is a fun skill, and great utility, some BFC and some self-buffing from your ardent psionics.
Elegance: 2.25
Choppy power growth so that the build is unacceptably weak for mid-levels; not so much waiting for it to "come online", as it is going offline (-0.5). Requires multiclassing penalties to be ignored (Azurin's favored class is Soulborn) (-0.5). Class progression seems like it would appear natural to a new player, as expected of a Soul Manifester entry (+1).
Rules violations: too many skill points spent (Azurin doesn't get bonus skills and you have 13 int), Ardent gets 2+int, conversely only 4/5 points spent as Totemist 1&2 (-0.25 for the bunch); Practiced Manifester doesn't advance PP gained or powers known (so you only get 17th level ardent powers known/PP, albeit with ML20) (-1); BAB is too high at level 18 (-0.25); You have the equivalent of a 42 point buy with your rolled stats, and 32 point buy was in the rules (-0.25, since a point buy would presumably have looked similar).
Fluff: 1
No backstory, despite it being a listed category (-3). On the other hand, a nature warrior who can alter reality with his mind is pretty close to a druid (+1).
Faking the Secret Ingredient: 1.75
Druidic Language - none
Animal Companion - (similar) Emerald Gyre Astral Construct
Nature Sense - none
Wild Empathy - Wild Empathy
Woodland Stride - none
Tracksless Step - none
Resist Nature's Lure - (similar) Totem's Protection
Wild Shape - Metamorphosis (5 levels late, can't become elemental), (worse) meldshapes
Venom Immunity - none
A Thousand Faces - none
Timeless Body - none
Spellcasting - (worse) Ardent psionics
Note: Creation Mantle's powers are similar to the Image spells in their variety and usefulness, but do not mimic SNA except for Astral Construct, which is already on duty as your Animal Companion substitute, can't cast spells (unlike SNA summons), and debatably can't change forms (based on your DM's reading of Ectopic).
Worse chassis than druid in HD, BAB, and Fort saves (-0.5). Better Ref and Will, if not by much (+0.25). Entry is missing several druid abilities (-0.5). Wildshape via metamorphosis comes late and meldshapes are worse than wildhape without optimization that wasn't shown. Ectopic AC and Wild Empathy are at the same level, but Totem's protection comes late. In total this build loses abilities compared to the druid, but you covered the major ones, so I'll let it wash (0). Ardent psionics advance late compared to druid spellcasting due to the totemist dip (-0.5).

Total: 9.5

On a side note: Next time provide a list of Powers/Soulmelds Known. This build could have gotten different Power, Elegance, and FtSI scores with the right powers and soulmelds presented, and it does not gain all powers from its 4 ardent mantles.

Ainuliel Thundaravunii

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Innovation: 4
Unique combinations I see include Animal Devotion + Wildshape, and Beastmaster + Natural Bond (+1). Avoids known cheese, however Dragon Wild Shape, Natural Bond, and Animal Devotion are a common optimization suggestions (0).
Power: 5
Exalted and Dragon Wildshapes with Natural Spell, 9th level spells including Shapechange, Animal Companion as a 16th level druid (if only level 7 for options), good scouting with high survival ranks + scent, Lion's Pounce. You earned this.
Elegance: 3.25
Even with Animal Devotion your Str is low before level 7 when you get Divine Power, so you're mostly a support cleric, but there's nothing wrong with that (0). You have 2 dips though (-0.25).
Rules violations: You don't qualify for Lion of Talisid because you can't cast SNA II unless your DM rules that the Divine Spellpool allows you to (as opposed to restricting it to spells you can already cast), or that SNA IV is an adequate substitute. However since by RAW the spellpool grants you any spell, I'll let this one by (0). Skypledged doesn't grant BAB+1 at first level (-0.25). Lion of Talisid doesn't grant an effective druid level so by RAW you don't gain Wildshape from it, but I think any sane DM would allow it (-0.25)
Fluff: 4.75
Backstory accounts for all class choices except beastmaster (+0.75). Backstory explains how this character ends up emulating the SI (+1).
Faking the Secret Ingredient: 3.5
Druidic Language - none
Animal Companion - same with limited choices (as 7th level druid), advances to 16th level druid
Nature Sense - none
Wild Empathy - same (later)
Woodland Stride - none
Tracksless Step - none
Resist Nature's Lure - none
Wild Shape - possible same (7 levels late, can't become plant or elemental) + Dragon + Exalted, later (better) Shapechange
Venom Immunity - none
A Thousand Faces - none
Timeless Body - none
Spellcasting - (similar) Cleric
The chassis has -1 HP and -1 BAB, but better saves (+0.5). Got the major class abilities (Wildshape, Animal Companion) and one of the minor abilities, but still missed out on most (0). Abilities gained later than druid abilties (-0.5). Similar spellcasting progression as the SI (+0.5).

Total: 20.5

On a side note, it would be nice if the entries cite their sources. I had to search for Soul Manifester, not having seen it before, and it's nice to be able to check where sources come from all in one place.

**mattie_p** · 2013-03-18, 10:03 PM (ISO 8601)

And we finally have a winner!

Congratulations to Larkas, 1st place Zinc Saucier 11.

And a nifty performance by Tokuhara, the runner up.

Special thanks to Rockdeworld for judging this event, and also Roland St. Jude for permitting the minor necromancy to post the judging.

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