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Zinc Saucier 8: Just what kind of adept are we talking about?
Welcome one and all to the eighth Zinc Saucier challenge, where Playgrounders come to test their skill in the art of beautiful and bizarre (and bizarrely beautiful ) builds.
The challenge? To come up with a build that has the same abilities and feel as the Secret Ingredient WITHOUT actually using it!
For the eighth challenge get ready to marshall your skills for a Martial Adept from the Tome of Battle, the Warblade!
Our challengers will have about 2 weeks to build a complete build from levels 1-20 using a 32 point buy and all official 3.5 material (excluding dragon magazine, but including any WOTC online enhancements) with the abilities and feel of a Warblade without actually using any levels in it.
Entries must be submitted by Saturday, 11:59pm GMT, 29 September, 2012.
Contestants will be judged and awarded a score out of 5 in each of 5 categories;
* Innovation (Uniqueness in character concept, race, class, etc)
* Power (How powerful and versatile it is compared to the base class)
* Elegance (What can only be described as how well the build "flows", i.e not using lots of 1-2lv dips, sacrificing flavour for power or using flaws)
* Fluff (How well the characters back-stories and classes mesh)
* Ingredient (How well the build captures the abilities and feel of the base class)
Presentation would be best in the style of how the iron chef does their presentations, however any style is allowed so long as it is clear on how the build was made.
Recommended style:SpoilerNAME OF ENTRY
{table=head]Level|Class|Base Attack Bonus|Fort Save|Ref Save|Will Save|Skills|Feats|Class Features
1st|New Class Level|+x|+x|+x|+x|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
2nd|New Class Level|+x|+x|+x|+x|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
3rd|New Class Level|+x|+x|+x|+x|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
4th|New Class Level|+x|+x|+x|+x|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
5th|New Class Level|+x|+x|+x|+x|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
6th|New Class Level|+x|+x|+x|+x|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
7th|New Class Level|+x|+x|+x|+x|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
8th|New Class Level|+x|+x|+x|+x|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
9th|New Class Level|+x|+x|+x|+x|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
10th|New Class Level|+x|+x|+x|+x|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
11th|New Class Level|+x|+x|+x|+x|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
12th|New Class Level|+x|+x|+x|+x|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
13th|New Class Level|+x|+x|+x|+x|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
14th|New Class Level|+x|+x|+x|+x|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
15th|New Class Level|+x|+x|+x|+x|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
16th|New Class Level|+x|+x|+x|+x|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
17th|New Class Level|+x|+x|+x|+x|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
18th|New Class Level|+x|+x|+x|+x|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
19th|New Class Level|+x|+x|+x|+x|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
20th|New Class Level|+x|+x|+x|+x|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities[/table]
Code:Spoiler[b]NAME OF ENTRY[/b]
{table=head][b]Level[/b]|[b]Class[/b]|[b]Base Attack Bonus[/b]|[b]Fort Save[/b]|[b]Ref Save[/b]|[b]Will Save[/b]|[b]Skills[/b]|[b]Feats[/b]|[b]Class Features[/b]
1st|New Class Level|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
2nd|New Class Level|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
3rd|New Class Level|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
4th|New Class Level|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
5th|New Class Level|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
6th|New Class Level|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
7th|New Class Level|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
8th|New Class Level|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
9th|New Class Level|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
10th|New Class Level|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
11th|New Class Level|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
12th|New Class Level|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
13th|New Class Level|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
14th|New Class Level|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
15th|New Class Level|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
16th|New Class Level|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
17th|New Class Level|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
18th|New Class Level|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
19th|New Class Level|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
20th|New Class Level|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities[/table]
For entries with spellcasting, use the following table for Spells per day and Spells Known. (Spells Known only if necessary, i.e. Sorcerer or Bard, but not Wizard or Warmage). For other systems (Psionics, ToB, Incarnum, etc.) keep track of PP/maneuvers/essentia separately, preferably in a nice neat list, similar to this:
SpoilerSpells per day/Spells Known
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Code:Spoiler[b]Spells per day/Spells Known[/b]
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Please do not post details of your build on the board before it is ready, so as not to spoil the surprise for others.
Sauciers may submit as many builds as they want but please don't use leadership, as we dont want to overfeed the judges.
Entries should be submitted via private message to the chairman.
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Also it comes with double prize money.
Allez Sauciers!Last edited by mattie_p; 2012-09-17 at 05:13 AM.
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2012-09-16, 08:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Zinc Saucier 8: Just what kind of adept are we talking about?
I had two ideas that were too obvious, so I scrapped them.
Then another that was almost a cliche that I had to ignore.
Then two others that were just too capable to work.
Then I thought of one more thing that I just know everyone will hate; I figure that's how you know it's a good call.Last edited by eggs; 2012-09-16 at 08:43 PM.
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2012-09-16, 08:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Zinc Saucier 8: Just what kind of adept are we talking about?
Were said ideas using Crusader and/or Swordsage? It's definitely not going for style, but that is there.
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2012-09-16, 09:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-09-16, 10:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Zinc Saucier 8: Just what kind of adept are we talking about?
Do it with a Sorcerer. Come on. You know you want to.
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2012-09-16, 10:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Zinc Saucier 8: Just what kind of adept are we talking about?
The other ToB classes didn't even occur to me, but now that I think about them, I'm having trouble not looking their way longingly.
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2012-09-17, 04:21 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Zinc Saucier 8: Just what kind of adept are we talking about?
Kuulvheysoon, I'm going to try to drum up at least one other judge, so please don't feel obligated to, you know, just because you've judged the last 5 or so.
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2012-09-17, 05:52 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Zinc Saucier 8: Just what kind of adept are we talking about?
I think I have several of ways of doing this. One is Known Cheese, one is just painful even thinking about doing it, and one is going to get an extremely low Creativity score.
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2012-09-17, 08:17 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Zinc Saucier 8: Just what kind of adept are we talking about?
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2012-09-17, 09:00 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-09-17, 01:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Zinc Saucier 8: Just what kind of adept are we talking about?
Sign me up to judge, too. Let's see how this goes!
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2012-09-18, 04:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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I'll be working on my judging criteria later.
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2012-09-18, 08:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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To all the volunteer judges, thanks a lot. We can't do it without your help.
@ Coidzor: If it were easy, this would be the Iron Chef competition . After all, we do come with double the prize money.
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2012-09-18, 09:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Zinc Saucier 8: Just what kind of adept are we talking about?
Yes, but I can usually see some way of accomplishing it. This... I just don't see any way. I suppose I've not memorized the entire body of spells, but very few come to mind as working to really recapture the spirit and style of martial adepthood.
So I'm going to be particularly impressed at any successes.
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Re: Zinc Saucier 8: Just what kind of adept are we talking about?
Fear not, Midnight_v, for all sauciers doth suffer under the same constraints!
And honestly, martial adept was requested, and I really am interested to see how it goes.Blank 3.5 Character Creator Iron Chef Style Tables (in Google Sheets)
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2012-09-18, 09:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Zinc Saucier 8: Just what kind of adept are we talking about?
I wish to see someone capture the feel of Warblade 20 using only Fighter 20 or Barbarian 20.
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2012-09-18, 09:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-09-21, 01:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Zinc Saucier 8: Just what kind of adept are we talking about?
Just a quick bump to remind everyone this competition is still open.
While the competitors work on their builds, what other classes should I consider in the future? I am deciding between two right now, but some discussion may help clarify where I want to go and give ideas for future contests.Blank 3.5 Character Creator Iron Chef Style Tables (in Google Sheets)
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2012-09-21, 06:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Zinc Saucier 8: Just what kind of adept are we talking about?
I'd really hope for Ranger. Also, Druid would be nice.
This challenge is beyod me though. I have no idea what to do for this one, so I'll sit this one out.Illud quod aeternitatem iacere potest non mortuus est, ac dis peregrinis etiam mors moriatur.
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2012-09-22, 07:49 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Zinc Saucier 8: Just what kind of adept are we talking about?
I'm sorry to hear that, SheepInDisguise. Hopefully you'll have more ideas in the next round.
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2012-09-22, 09:42 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Zinc Saucier 8: Just what kind of adept are we talking about?
I've got a couple ideas I'm playing with, however I just realised my favourite one (core only martial adept using fighter) won't work, so we'll see if I can get something I'm satisfied with before the deadline.
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2012-09-22, 11:03 AM (ISO 8601)
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So sorry to hear your first option didn't work out. I'm sure you'll be able to come up with something, motoko.
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2012-09-25, 03:37 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Zinc Saucier 8: Just what kind of adept are we talking about?
Well I managed to get it working...better, its no longer core though and I ended up dropping the {redacted} levels completely. The second backup one I was working on hit an even worse snag, so thats scrapped, luckily I've been inspired so I might have another couple of ideas by the time the deadline rolls around.
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2012-09-25, 09:01 AM (ISO 8601)
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Any progress by other contestants?
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2012-09-25, 12:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Zinc Saucier 8: Just what kind of adept are we talking about?
I've got a few builds very close to complete (just skills and items left). I think it's just going to be a matter of resigning to one of them, and then actually writing the entry out. I'll definitely have something in by Friday.