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2021-03-25, 11:01 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: UPick
Yeah, that's fair.
DISINTEGRATE: XIHIRLI (I flipped a coin for who should be disintegrated).
Vote: Book Wombat
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Also, this doesn't actually matter to me right now but I'm super curious how you solved the ciphers if you didn't have a list of role names to start with. (BTW, I was awake and saw those ciphers too, I have "show online status" turned off for exactly that reason. Only decrypted my own though. I should maybe have decrypted the ones for the other wolves too, but it was 2am and mine was just fluff and I figured I could get to it in the morning.)I'm Chaotic Good! Ish!
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2021-03-25, 11:10 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: UPick
That is not dead which can eternal lie,
And with strange aeons, even death may die!
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2021-03-25, 11:13 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: UPick
Ooh, bad luck.
I googled "solve vigenere cipher without key", clicked the first link I found, and just pressed the appropriate buttons until a message in English emerged. They were meant as conversation starters, though, so they were all more or less "I know your role name as you can see at this point I know everybody's role names nothing to worry about respond soon please", so none of them had actual content worth mentioning. But I very much appreciated the information advantage.
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2021-03-25, 11:16 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: UPick
Unfortunate.
I'm Chaotic Good! Ish!
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2021-03-25, 11:26 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: UPick
Hmm...tell you what. You've been put in a **** situation where everything goes wrong. Let's throw you a bone.
Book Wombat. Now it's 2-2...and the way ties are handled, you're still the one who's gonna die. Only chance at this point is if one of the others changes their vote. If BW votes themselves for some strange reason, the game goes on with you me and Xihirli. If Xihirli votes BW to save you for the lulz (even though you tried to kill her), the game goes on with you me and Xihirli. And if neither of those happens, game's over and I win. Sure maybe this is me snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, but I'll always have won in my heart, and this would play out more interestingly, at least to me.
EDIT: Agh, no, I'm an idiot, I should be trying to win. Slightly boring townie ending coming up...Last edited by AvatarVecna; 2021-03-25 at 11:31 AM.
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2021-03-25, 11:32 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: UPick
The sad thing is I was actually thinking earlier that I might prefer to disintegrate BW, in case Xi had some relevant poem power. I just forgot when I was actually putting in the disintegrate.
Oh well, still got way closer than I was expecting to when Apogee died...I'm Chaotic Good! Ish!
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2021-03-25, 11:33 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: UPick
Phew, got lucky with that coin.
Fun game.Every day...
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2021-03-25, 12:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: UPick
Day 3 End
AvatarVecna voted ELENNA
Xihirli voted ELENNA
Elenna voted BOOK WOMBAT
Book Wombat voted ELENNA
Elenna recieved 3 votes.
Book Wombat recieved 1 vote.
Elenna died today. She was executed. Elenna's role was Nico Di Angelo.
Originally Posted by Unavenger
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2021-03-25, 01:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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Oh gods, what is this. Nononononono. Welp. I'm not going to survive this am I?
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2021-03-25, 01:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-03-25, 01:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-03-25, 01:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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Yeah, AV. You caught me. Our secret plan was for every other member of Mafia to Target me specifically just before they died including kill powers because what else were we gonna use them on? Winning?
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2021-03-25, 02:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: UPick
I'm not assuming you're a fourth wolf, I'm assuming you're a neutral whose win condition is incompatible with one of ours. That's why you've just been coasting under the radar instead of participating.
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2021-03-25, 02:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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Feels like a lot of projection there, Serial Killer. So, gameplan's to Disintegrate me tomorrow so it's just you and Book Wombat, and your win con's inevitable?
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2021-03-25, 02:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-03-25, 02:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: UPick
AV, I play these games to have fun. Are you okay? I've never intended to go after your feelings, and hope that neither one of us takes each other's in-game accusations personally.
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2021-03-25, 02:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: UPick
I play these games for fun too. It's just frequently...frustrating. It sucks that nobody trusts me no matter what I do. In one game, I catch wolves up so bad with a subtle vote strikethrough that a single day ruins everything for wolf game going forward. In more than a few games, I set up massive town networks right from the start, handing town the keys to victory, and the very next game I get lynched day one on principle. This game, on D2, two wolves died as direct consequences of my personal actions, and still, and still, I'm suspected, for the crime of being completely transparent with town.
And now, even though I've now caught a third wolf, even though it turns out my initial gut feelings about both Captain Cap and Elenna were 100% correct, even though an actual serial killer would've coasted under the radar and hidden their kill until an opportune moment in the endgame, the sole remaining townie is gonna get paranoid and lynch me tomorrow and seal their own fate. And depending on vote order, I might well have to choose between stabbing them in the back to win or shooting myself in the foot so that town wins like I've always wanted them to. And even if I betray them, it might turn out to be useless because your win condition is incompatible with mine, and one of your hidden powers that you've never made mechanical claims about is a Beast that gets around my protection, or vote manipulation, or some other nonsense.
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2021-03-25, 02:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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I'm town, AV. I don't have a secret win-con, I just used the last of my protection, and I'm just trying to win the game for my team. Maybe I'm not doing it well. Maybe you're playing me right now I'm incapable of telling with that sort of thing.
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2021-03-25, 02:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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I'm in a bad headspace to deal with this. It's all just getting to me I guess. Current mood is that I'm just gonna trust my gut (the way I should have with Cap), and kill you in the morning. I've been right about every other person to suspect so far this game, and my only screw-up is when I doubted myself.
Maybe I'll do some ISOs later to prepare for D4 or something.
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2021-03-25, 02:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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Perfectly fine. Kill me to win the game because you suspect me, cool. That's what the game is. Cursing me out? I would hope you'd at least reach out to me about what I'm doing to upset you first.
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2021-03-27, 12:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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Night 3 End
The church bell sounds, a monotonous tone, again, and again, and again...
*Bong*
"Hear ye! Hear ye!"
*Bong*
"Hear ye! Dead Poet Society Member seen visiting... hey, wait a minute..."
*Bong*
Another voice echoes out. "You're not looking on my works yet, ye mighty. And you're definitely not despairing."
*Bong*
"You. It was you! You're the villain!"
*Bong*
"I don't know what you're talking about. You're the villain. I mean, I know I always SEEM like the villain, but come on."
*Bong*
"If I were the villain, why would I be doing a public service?"
*BONG*
"I don't know. Maybe it's just you trying to mislead us. Clearly, there's only one way to remove your influences.
*BONG*
"You're bluffing. You didn't even bring a weapon."
*BONG*
"Oh, but isn't the pen supposed to be mightier than the sword?"
*BONG*
"What, you want a duel of words? Or is it sharpened quills at dawn?"
*BONG*
"Oh no. I have a better idea. A far better idea."
*BONG*
The reporter turned, but he was too late to dodge out of the way. The bell, coming loose from its frame, crushed him underneath as it fell from its post, and then came to rest at the foot of the poet.
"And therefore, never send to know for whom the bell tolls,
It tolls for thee."
Book Wombat died tonight. He died from being hit by a bell. Book Wombat's role was Anonymous Reporter.
*Clap*
*Clap*
*Clap*
"Oh, bravo, bravo! Quite a show you put on for us there, little villainess!"
"I'm not the villainess. You can trust me on this one."
"Oh, but aren't you the villainess all the time?"
"I suppose. But I'm not the only villain this world knows."
"Of course. But I'll be the last you'll ever know."
Xihirli died today. She died during the endgame. Xihirli's role was Dead Poet Society Member.
AVATARVECNA WON THE GAME.
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Originally Posted by UnavengerOriginally Posted by UnavengerOriginally Posted by Unavenger
Dead chat.
People can post their own chats here if they wish. Good showing, everyone.
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2021-03-27, 12:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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Spoiler: I spent too much time on this not to post itSpoiler: Xihirli ISOThird vote on a wagon really shortly into D1. Felt weird then, feels weird now. Null besides that, basically pure RP.
Null, Xihirli being herself.
Context:
1) totadile is doing their D1 stuff
2) Apogee implies good reason to distrust totadile.
3) Xihirli immediately answers that question with their guess at the reason.
4) Apogee says that wasn't their original reason but is also true.
It's not great distancing, but it's an easy way to make it look like town consensus is against totadile. That said, with how things have shaken out, it doesn't make sense for Xihirli to be a 4th wolf, so this looks worse in hindsight than it really is. At worst, Xihirli is a neutral who happened to also have a reason to not want town trusting totadile.
Null.
Null, pure RP.
Xihirli sticking up for totadile here feels good. It's an obvious point to bring up, but a wolf could (and did) make a reasonable argument against trusting totadile, Xihirli could've done the same and didn't. Could be distancing, but I'm inclined to give townie points for this.
I'm gonna call this null. It'd be easy to say "Xihirli is calling out the helpful townie and helpful neutral", but at the time, there was no proof of our abilities or suspicions, so this looks worse in hindsight than it really was.
Could've been distancing at the time, but no way it's distancing with the way things have gone.
Given that we now know Xihirli also has 3+ powers (the way I do, and the way no townie has), this hits different. At the time it was a reasonable suspicion but now...I could see this as an SK casting doubt on as trusted player.
At this point, we know this to be a true statement: Book Wombat has taken credit for the public reveal. The public reveal also definitely wasn't clever distancing because there's no way we started with four wolves (or three wolves with a neutral in cahoots). Null.
On the one hand, the power described seems significantly worse than the most comparable townie (totadile). On the other hand, this is pretty on-par with some of the weaker town powers (Cao's roleblock and nothing else). I feel like a JOAT who doesn't know their powers is maybe worse than a roleblocker though...it feels weird.
If anybody else openly talked about murder and bloodlust this much, we'd lynch them on suspicion of being a serial killer. But Xihirli doesn't this constantly no matter role or alignment, so it's NAI.
Xihirli makes a good argument against Book Wombat being a mafia member. Which...would be counterproductive at this point if we didn't basically already know mafia is 100% gone. Still, I get a good feel from this.
Well if Xihirli is neutral she definitely wasn't batting for wolf team the way I was batting for town.
This is the most Xihirli post. Null.
Null.
Null.
Null.
It wasn't guessed from the poem, it was deciphered from the since-deleted cipher post.
Could just be Xihirli posting, could be the SK equivalent of the "apologizing wolf" pattern.
I like the sarcasm. I don't like the attempt to paint my argument as me saying there must've been four wolves to start. It's an obvious strawman.
If my win con was inevitable like you think, there'd be no point to any of this discussion. But that's all I'll say about it cuz I'm trying not to get mad and bitter again.
Null.
Because it's still part of the above feel, it feels genuine. It's easy for scum to lie like this but...idk
That's a fair point and I'm sorry for cursing. It's not anything you specifically have done, it's just the community. Effort is punished and coasting is rewarded and it just gets to me.
Lotta weird stuff but...also, lotta stuff that looks better with our current understanding of the game. Lotsa stuff that looks scummy but could just be Xihirli being herself. Lotta playing her cards close to the chest, but that happens every game she's in. I'm inclined to lean town.
Spoiler: Book WombatNull, pure RP.
Null, pure RP.
Null, pure nonsense.
This feels weird in hindsight. Like...okay so I talked about Xihirli's power claim feeling a bit weak for town. It's hard to call an info-power like we know BW's to be "weak" but like...it doesn't feel strong. It's not amazing information. If it also publicly revealed the kind of power used, that'd be more on par with some of the other townie powers we've seen, but just a public Watcher? Feels a bit eh for this game.
BW is doing the same thing Xihirli did, agreeing with Apogee on reasons not to trust totadile. Which at the time felt fair-ish, but it still feels weird.
Null.
Despite thinking it's unhelpful to town to publicly broadcast role info, BW takes guesses at totadile's power. The rest of the post looks substantial but it's essentially RP and IIoA.
Null. Could be read as distancing if there was any chance there's a wolf left. As it stands, anybody could've posted this.
Additionally, BW disappeared after this for a good long while - a ways into D2. Given the power we know of isn't particularly impressive, I could definitely see this as an SK that got too close to the noose D1 and is trying to lay low now that the wagons have moved on.
I appreciate the role claim even if it's not a complete role claim. They're claiming to a trusted townie who can test them. I'm not sure how to feel about the "distracted" explanation. I guess I could believe it but ehhhhhh I'm not inclined to give townie credit for not caring too much about the game state.
Biggest townie thing: we have a full name claim from BW where Xihirli is basically denying everything and refusing to share to the bitter end. Townie points for BW here, even though I can acknowledge that anybody could make this claim without it being dangerous. What can I say, I have appreciate the transparency. Somebody has to.
I'm getting bitter again. >.<
This is solid townie points. This feels like a townie's train of thought on their own role and claims, rather than scum trying to dodge the lynch. They wouldn't undermine their own defense by making an obvious counter-argument against themselves, they'd let somebody else make the obvious counterargument.
Null although I guess it at least means that their earliest claim was also at least a little honest.
Mhmmm
Solid reasoning that should've convinced me. Additionally, I didn't bring this up in the Xihirli section, but...an SK without a kill would've argued for not lynching the obvious wolf in some way - either by casting doubt on me, casting doubt on the sole remaining townie, or appealing to people to "do it for the memes". Xihirli did the third, BW didn't do any of those.
Good general musings, but null. Anybody can speculate on powers like this. Nothing here an SK would want to avoid posting, beyond the aforementioned "SK would want a wolf alive maybe going into the next night".
...lucky how? If you'd lost the coin toss, then as far as you knew, it would've been town!Xihirli, town-aligned-neutral!AV, and scum!Elenna still pulling the lynch. Elenna gets lynched, and (theoretically) game ends in town victory. It's cool that the scum disintegrate failed, but if it had gone through you still would've won.
...assuming you're a townie, anyway.
Null. Doesn't have the confused tone Xihirli's had that felt un-genuine, so feels a bit better than that I guess? Eh.
This is mostly better, but there's those couple things that really feel like slips to me.
This shouldn't even be an issue. I should be able to win with either you, and yet I'm sitting here tearing my hair out trying to find the other neutral because I'm too stubborn to just give up on getting the exact victory I wanted.
Screw it, going with my gut. DISINTEGRATE: XIHIRLI
Book Wombat just in case I'm both wrong about who the neutral was and incompatible with their win-con. But it should be over at this point.
GGs all around.
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2021-03-27, 12:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-03-27, 12:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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Good showing to AV. I honestly never even seen a sk before.
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Also I should add. Linking is a tactic I shouldn't do, but i tend to play wolves and its caused me to learn the sticking tactic. The tactic works because people try to read who your alliance is, and if you stick to someone suspicion will be played to that person. Not actually useful as town.
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2021-03-27, 12:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: UPick
AV, were you legitimately upset during the Night, or was that a ploy?
I want you to know that the distrust and paranoia I state about you is meant as a compliment of your skill.
I can get you being legitimately upset, even if the paranoia was legit in this game (e.g., we were paranoid you were SK, and you were SK.)
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So many "if only"s with this game. Mainly "if only" we had killed totaldile instead of AV. I was guessing there's be someone Naruto or ninja-ish, so going to have the flavor text as shruiken killing them, in hopes that got totaldile to incrimiante someone. But I really thought we'd have a hard time losing with 3/10 players as wolves AND a voider dying D1.
But instead we went for the one person immune to NKs and DKs. Bummer.
Seems fitting Light Yagami got killed for trying to be too clever
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2021-03-27, 01:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: UPick
The if only of town? If only town lynched the known neutral day 2 because we should have.
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2021-03-27, 01:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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"The most frustrating part is that AvatarVecna has been in control since we lynched Aleph Null."
D2 started out with me offering a "2nd lynch" that was entirely within my own control. When somebody else popped up to give us a 3rd, I immediately used all the info at my disposal to gain control of both of the pseudo-lynches, while sprinkling my thoughts on everybody. This included piggybacking on Captain Cap's aspersions against Aleph Null to make the latter look really really suspicious. Make no mistake: all three kills D2 were a direct result of my actions.
D3 started the same way, with me controlling the narrative and making the entire day about disintegrating Captain Cap and lynching Elenna. Even though it was obvious to everybody that Cap was innocent, even though I had personally vouched for his innocence the day before, nobody questioned me for killing him or told me not to do it.
"Wait, did Xihirli kill Book Wombat? WTF?"
My guess would be that my little rant was genuine enough to make her think it really was just bitterness that I was being screwed out of a well-earned victory by unfair paranoia. Which...
EDIT: That, or she figured I was SK but deserved the win lol.
"I hope AV's okay.
It sounds like, from Unavenger's comments, AV is really a serial killer. I can understand her feeling frustrated about mistrust, but the mistrust is warranted, so... well, just hope she's okay.
Since AV will probably read this after game ends: to me, the distrust towards AV has always been a compliment of her skill. If I ever gave offense, it wasn't my intention. And if I showed frustration or agitation towards her, it was because of having my schemes foiled, and probably meant as a compliment to her ability to foil schemes."
It was meant as possible manipulation here, but it's also genuine. That's part of what sells it really: it's frustrating when it feels like effort is punished and coasting is rewarded, when what's really happening is that experience is being rewarded by considering the experienced player a serious threat. I get it, intellectually. It makes sense to target me if you're not sure I'm on your side. It's just one of those things that happens often enough, especially when I'm absolutely carrying, that it sometimes really gets under my skin. It's not any specific person doing it, it's just the general attitude.
And, of course, I have to acknowledge that just because it's rarely warranted doesn't mean it's never warranted. This time, the paranoia was 100% spot on, and I've been getting called out since mid-D2...but since it was mostly wolves doing the calling out...Last edited by AvatarVecna; 2021-03-27 at 01:07 PM.
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2021-03-27, 01:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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I mean, there was nothing town could do about it. Given my voting manipulation power you would have disintegrated me in any case, and in fact you did: when I proposed the "election", only you and Elenna expressed the preference of disintegrating me (2 out 5), but you carried it out anyway.
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But yeah, I'm honestly surprised no one (of the living) ever mentioned my warning when Night 3 started.Last edited by Captain Cap; 2021-03-27 at 01:18 PM.
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2021-03-27, 01:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: UPick
AV, thanks for the explanation. That makes sense.
Why did you want to eliminate Elenna instead of (reasonably perhaps) getting Xi lynched as a possible wolf? I'd think you'd want the wolves active, especially since you were immune to kill powers.
On the other hand, eliminating the wolves can, and in this case did, give you significant towncred.
Were you worried she could bypass your protections, since she killed totaldile?
The main reason I thought you might be town was
1) you spoke against sharing too much early D1, when I'd think a baddie would wait to say that until some folk had shared too much (but, I can see you caring that we wolves didn't learn, especially with your scry power)
2) you killed Elenna, when (as far as you knew) she was a voider or some middling power.
@Unavenger: why was it public when Book Wombat got voided? It seems that, even if he was targeting himself that night, the void would have nullified it. His power doesn't appear to state that it'd activate if he's voided.
That said, I think his being voided publicly didn't hurt us. Maybe it even spread misinfo to make folk think the final wolf was just a voider, instead of Elenna's true power.
Xihirli, I'm also curious why you tried to kill Book Wombat.
Though I admit at first I thought you killed yourself. I thought maybe you were a neutral who needed the game to win within X days or the "bell tolls" for you when it's too late.
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Oh, yeah, Captain Cap also said you might be SK.
So it wasn't just the wolves
On that note, I think the tension of "well, maybe we should lynch the helpful neutral" is necessary, lest neutrals just be safe. Like how it turned out the neutrals had no reason NOT to claim, and all the reasons to claim, in the Cats game. Their goal didn't hurt the town or the wolves, so it was a waste for both sides to kill them.
You were super-helpful and gained a ton of towncred via that, so people believed the Survivor claim. But the only good reason not to lynch you late game would be a sense of fair play... or, well, at least if I were a living Town, I probably would have voted to leave you alive because you "earned it".
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...you brought up how the cipher was probably forbidden and shouldn't be used after you broke the cipher and had that info, didn't you?
That way you got the info about roles, but nobody else did. Neat.
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2021-03-27, 01:24 PM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Jan 2014
Re: UPick
For all I knew, her kill had just penetrated my exact protective ability. It turns out it didn't, but I wasn't going to take that chance. She needed to die that day.
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