Bartmanhomer Evil Random Banter Thread #237

**Bartmanhomer** · 2022-01-23, 01:02 AM (ISO 8601)

Ok, it's my turn to do this Random Banter Thread

Rules for Random Banter Thread

1. Spam. For RB, one-word posts are generally considered spam. Likewise, posts that are nothing but *actions like this* are also be considered spam. Remember that the quality of the post's content is much better than the speed of your response.

2. This isn't the Play by Post or Town forum, nor is it the Silly Message Board Games or Structured Games forum. Please avoid continuous roleplay or mock battles and fights such as the "competition for control of the universe".

3. If it's already a thread, don't bring it to RB. RB has such a huge range of subject matter even restricted to the little snippets that probably don't warrant their thread, it doesn't need legitimate thread topics cluttering it up as well. The exception to this is to bring something off-topic from one thread, but on-topic for RB and the subject doesn't warrant a thread of its own.

4. Don't advertise other threads in RB. Just because these new threads move at speeds more appropriate to a message board than an IM session doesn't mean you need to come over to RB and browbeat people into posting in your latest brainchild.

5. Please don't post single-line posts alerting us to your current status -- as in "I'm back." This is Random Banter, not "How to stalk Random GitP forum members."

6. Don't poke, kick or bump the thread. It will move at whatever pace it wants to. Also, please refrain from Captain Obvious comments akin to "My, the thread is fast today."

7. Random Banter can only be as good, or as entertaining, as you make it. Demands to be entertained will fall on deaf ears unless you can add something more meaningful to the conversation.

8. As this is a public forum, where the current topic is nicely recorded for you, and not a conversation where you could have missed the beginning, please refrain from asking something to the effect of "What's the topic?". Please take the time to read up a bit first.

9. Thread Creator must include the words "Random" and "Banter" as well as the thread #. Try to be concise as well.

10. Every post should contain two visible, legible complete sentences, Subject and Predicate. C'mon, make your old English teachers proud.

11. Remember, Random Banter is not your IM client. If you want to have a back and forth discussion with just one person, look in their contact information for IM details.

12. Whenever a new thread is created, all "first post", "first-page", and all posts of that nature will be deleted by the administrators. Please avoid doing this, as it is frustrating for them to deal with one-lined posts like this.

13. Double-posting is not your friend. We have edit buttons for a reason.

14. Once you have made a Random Banter thread, you must wait for 12 threads before making another one.

15. If you can avoid dibs calling on making the next thread, that will avoid people needing to wait if the thread hits 50 pages while the dibs-caller is asleep.

Spoiler: Previously on Random Banter

Show

**HalfTangible** · 2022-01-23, 06:55 PM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Lord Raziere

And even that is just a 2eism that wasn't in the original edition, and won't be in any edition after, because everyone hated the idea of Snidely Whiplash Ebon Dragon.

AFAIK in all 3 editions the Dragon's Shadow/Ebon Dragon is an ******* >.> The end fiction of 1e's corebook has him kidnapping and brainwashing the Scarlet Empress, iirc

**Rater202** · 2022-01-23, 10:26 PM (ISO 8601)

A link to the last thread.

Every couple of years I get touched with the idea of having the power to transform into a swarm of hundreds of black-furred kittens with red eyes and exist as a hivemind of kittens.

**Peelee** · 2022-01-23, 10:43 PM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Bartmanhomer

Spoiler

Show

Amotis' Random Banter #1
Dhavaer's Random Banter #2
PhoeKun's Random Banter #3
Rei Jin's Random Banter #4
Toxic Avenger's Random Banter #5
Jibar's Random Banter #6
Ego Slayer's Surrogate Random Banter #7
Sneak's Random Barroom Brawl #8
Sophistemon's Solemnly Random Banter #9
Vaynor's Very Random Banter #10
Bookman's Blathering Random Banter #11
Gralamin's Glorious Random Banter #12
Rilik's Resplendently Random Raillery #13
Gezina's Growling Grazing Random Banter #14
The Zerglings Utterly And Geeky Random Banter #15
jaqueses Truthfully Randomly Fireside Banter # 16
Jack Squat’s Jubilantly Quixotic Random Banter #17
Cardel's Banter of Cookie Jubilation #18
Archonic's Chaotically Random Banter of Rods #19
The Rod's Inanimate Temple of RANDOM banter #20
Lucky’s Loquaciously Loud-Mouthed Random Banter#21
Deckmaster's Divinely Delightful Random Banter #22
Saithis' Soliloquy of Random Banter #23
Loveable Lianae's Ludicrous Lampooning Lottery #24
NEO|Phyte's Neolithic Nest of Weasel Banter #25
Target's Random Banter of "non-violence" #26
Tarnag40k's Random banter of "grammar errors" #27
Kyrian's Random Banter of ADHDness #28
El Jaspero's Random Drunken Ramblings #29
Boss Smiley's Eloquently Eggy Banter #30
Lykan's Looney Explosionarama & Random Banter

What's the point of this without links, and being woefully incomplete?

**Bartmanhomer** · 2022-01-23, 10:49 PM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Peelee

What's the point of this without links, and being woefully incomplete?

I thought that I did.

**Peelee** · 2022-01-23, 11:13 PM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Bartmanhomer

I thought that I did.

You did not.

**Bartmanhomer** · 2022-01-23, 11:17 PM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Peelee

You did not.

Hold on I'm working at it now.

**HalfTangible** · 2022-01-23, 11:34 PM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Bartmanhomer

Hold on I'm working at it now.

Quote the post, enter the new thread, and paste. It's easier and faster than doing all the links one by one.

Spoiler: Previously on Random Banter

Show

**Lord Raziere** · 2022-01-23, 11:35 PM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by HalfTangible

AFAIK in all 3 editions the Dragon's Shadow/Ebon Dragon is an ******* >.> The end fiction of 1e's corebook has him kidnapping and brainwashing the Scarlet Empress, iirc

Yes but the point is that he is not puppy-kicking cartoon evil, but a dark alien entity who is dangerous to interact with like any other Yozi, just a different flavor of alien.

and the fate of the Scarlet Empress being anything other than "I don't know, its mysterious, and thus whatever you want for your game". is widely regarded by both devs and fandom as A Mistake. mostly because Scarlet Empress returning at all is The Elder Problem, Dragon-Blooded edition: things become more about her than the PCs. its for sure not canon in 3e and given the way I've seen people talk about it, many people would go back and get rid of the Scarlet Empress being kidnapped by the Ebon Dragon and the Return of the Scarlet Empress in 2e entirely if they were allowed.

**Bartmanhomer** · 2022-01-23, 11:46 PM (ISO 8601)

I did it. Thank you Half.

**HalfTangible** · 2022-01-24, 12:02 AM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Lord Raziere

Yes but the point is that he is not puppy-kicking cartoon evil, but a dark alien entity who is dangerous to interact with like any other Yozi, just a different flavor of alien.

and the fate of the Scarlet Empress being anything other than "I don't know, its mysterious, and thus whatever you want for your game". is widely regarded by both devs and fandom as A Mistake. mostly because Scarlet Empress returning at all is The Elder Problem, Dragon-Blooded edition: things become more about her than the PCs. its for sure not canon in 3e and given the way I've seen people talk about it, many people would go back and get rid of the Scarlet Empress being kidnapped by the Ebon Dragon and the Return of the Scarlet Empress in 2e entirely if they were allowed.

Oh I agree on that front. The idea of the Empress returning is cool and I do like some of the things I've heard about that adventure (Sol dying gives every Solar a bunch of charms, a dot of essence, and an initmacy of vengeance against TED) but given that Return is widely regarded as one of the worst things Exalted has ever put out and it's 100% true that it took focus away from the players I'm glad to see it gone.

My point was that even in 1e TED was a huge *******; this isn't something that 2e pulled out of its ass.

**Rater202** · 2022-01-24, 12:31 AM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by HalfTangible

Oh I agree on that front. The idea of the Empress returning is cool and I do like some of the things I've heard about that adventure (Sol dying gives every Solar a bunch of charms, a dot of essence, and an initmacy of vengeance against TED) but given that Return is widely regarded as one of the worst things Exalted has ever put out and it's 100% true that it took focus away from the players I'm glad to see it gone.

My point was that even in 1e TED was a huge *******; this isn't something that 2e pulled out of its ass.

Return gives rules for Elder Essence Infernal Charms.. Even though some of them are traps and it only gives the Ebon Dragon version, and the Broken Winged Crane Supplement despite being described as "Overflow Charms from MOEPI" seems to be building off of the concept of those Elder Essence charms..

And let's be honest, Broken Winged Crane is half the reason people like 2e Infernals, to the point that on the old white wolf forum people were asking for 3E devil tigers and the devs were like "yes they're cool but they promote some stuff that isn't so good in hindsight. We're spinning 'make your own custom thematic charm set' off to its own thing and dumping the transhumanism stuff back into the main charm tree" specifically stating that Spirit of the Living world would be a regular occult charm and suggests have been made of populating the world with gods that act as representatives of aspects of yourself to emulate a primordial's soul hierarchy(as opposed to literally having your own soul hierarchy)

...Which makes me wonder if 3e Infernals will have charms building off of it that allows the infernal to project their inner world into real space on a temperary basis? Current and former Onyx Path writers and developers are known to be fans of Fate/Stay Night.

...God damn it, now I'm trying to imagine a reality marble for my hypothetical devil princess.

**HalfTangible** · 2022-01-24, 01:10 AM (ISO 8601)

I'm more interested in the angle that the Infernals inherited the legacy of the old solars. Not simply their powers or crimes or their arrogance, but in the sense that these guys were betrayed, thoroughly and utterly.

Consider the vision of gold. In it, the Sidereals tell the Solars that what they're doing is going to destroy all of Creation. The Solars realize the error of their ways and with the advice of the Sidereals tone down their behavior, resulting in an even more beautiful Creation. The downside is that this vision has a second possible outcome that basically amounts to "the Solars get worse and Creation gets wiped out".

This is a group of people who have not inherited a legacy of heroism like the Solars or as the destroyers of all like the Abyssals; they are the inheritors of the worst sins ever committed in Creation. These people were the worst tyrants, monsters, and extremists in existence... but they were not beyond redemption. They could've been saved, but the Sidereals chose not to take the risk that they would just go even more crazy and destroy Creation.

A heroic Infernal is presented with the choice that the old Deliberative never got to make (one that they might not have deserved to make, arguably, but still). The constant exercise of their power will lead to a Creation that burns down around them, same as a Solar, but with the Yozi's equally destructive power backing them up that destruction will be accelerated. But if they take a step back, only interfere when they're needed, Creation has time to recover between their massive bouts of horrid atrocities. There'd be a real struggle for an Infernal to hold themselves back... which may not make for the best TTRPG experience but it is at least something to think about.

Or you can go on a path of vengeance... which might be too similar to the Lunars, but it's worth looking at at least (In this case it's less about the Realm in particular, more about the con job the Sidereals have pulled). You learn about the vision of gold, but you're only told certain things about it. You learn that the Sidereals could potentially have saved Creation from the Deliberative that was, but saw a future where they were in control. Creation would be lesser, but it would be under their bootheel.

"So perhaps," the Yozis venture, "you might want to go after Heaven. Not just because the Sidereals are there of course, but because the Celestial Incarnae allowed you to be struck down... your decision, of course. Go out and right wrongs, and Hell, we'll even give you some extra power to do it and reshape the world in our- I mean, your image. Hm, you want to rescue puppies, you say? Here, have a demon that devours the flesh of pound owners and turns their souls into kibble. Kibble that turns those puppies into super-intelligent hellhounds that obey your every whim no matter how brutal. Win-win!"

**Lord Raziere** · 2022-01-24, 01:14 AM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Rater202

...God damn it, now I'm trying to imagine a reality marble for my hypothetical devil princess.

There is a charm for that in Exalted Essence: Devil Body Incarnation. One of the effects it has it allows you transform your surroundings into difficult terrain befitting your aesthetic in addition to transforming yourself and various other optional effects. its likely that a full 3e version would offer more extensive versions of this for more uses.

@ Halftangible: eh, kind of plausible, but the anti-authoritarian themes are mixed in heavily in Infernals in 3e. that and they've cut back on the more mythos reasoning of things and to focus more on present motivations rather long ago ancient grudges.

**Rater202** · 2022-01-24, 01:38 AM (ISO 8601)

Still... The Yozis see their own condition as a great injustice they suffered her(and,given their alien nature, they're not... Quite wrong. They literally can't help but be what they were and are) and Infernal Exalted are chosen from those who suffered some terrible injustice or betrayal themselves.

It's entirely possible that the Yozis, at least those capable of anything resembling empathy, might have seen themselves in the Usurpation era Solars and that's an interesting parallel to make.

...I remember it being mentioned that one of the ideas floating around is that, instead of the Yozis only expecting that the neverborn/deathlords would get a couple of exaltations and that's why there's a hundred abyssal but only 50 infernals, that the Yozis only wanted 50 exaltations.

I speculated, based on the idea that the Infernals are there in part for the Yozis to live vicariously through and that the Yozis would encourage decadence and hedonism that they selected the fifty most decadent and hedonist solar's exaltations.

Now I'm wondering if they didn't select the exaltations of the 50 solars who were best in a position to make the choice, whose actions would have most contributed to which possible future would have come true had the Sids tried to be diplomatic with the solars.

Or maybe the 50 Solars who were most devastated, personally, by the betrayal.

**LaZodiac** · 2022-01-24, 01:47 AM (ISO 8601)

Exalted has the sort of lore that by rights should be making me just shaking my head, like Kill Six Billion Demons, but it's juuust restrained enough that I'm totally fine with it. It's a very fine line between "high octane ridiculousness" and "so ridiculous that it just stops being interesting" and some series just, dance across that razor's edge. Maybe this is a personal failing of mine, but it's one that I cannot ever really get past.

Unrelated: I got a new blanket from my mom for Christmas and it finally arrived. It's the trans flag colours and really beautiful, and you can see it here.

**Rater202** · 2022-01-24, 02:39 AM (ISO 8601)

It probably helps that Exalted is upfront with the fact that it's ridiculous. Part of the reason it's so over the top is becuase it doesn't take itself seriously.

It's also partly becuase it's trying to emulate a mixture of High Fantasy, a mixture of the narrative feel of several different sets of religion and mythology, wuxia, shonen anime, cosmic horror, and elements of the Punk meta-genre with anything to do with Alchemicles being cyberpunk outright(albeit more with Orwellian states that omnipresent megacorps)

Crazy is to be expected. There are certainly dramatic moments, but there's a martial art where if you're good at it you can assassinate someone by hiding in his teacup and jumping out and punching him so hard he turns into a flock of seagulls and scatters. If you take it too seriously you're doing it wrong.

**Lord Raziere** · 2022-01-24, 02:49 AM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by LaZodiac

Exalted has the sort of lore that by rights should be making me just shaking my head, like Kill Six Billion Demons, but it's juuust restrained enough that I'm totally fine with it. It's a very fine line between "high octane ridiculousness" and "so ridiculous that it just stops being interesting" and some series just, dance across that razor's edge. Maybe this is a personal failing of mine, but it's one that I cannot ever really get past.

I live for high octane ridiculousness. one needs to at times contrast it with slower more sedate moments for it to properly have weight and meaning, but its what I love.

@ Rater: ahahahahahahahaa.....

tell that to the Exalted fans who go read things like Debt: The First 5000 Years or talk extensively the sociology/anthropology of Blessed Isle and the various cultures of the Threshold. In my experience, the people who know about Exalted in general rpg community but aren't fans of it think its all Dawn Caste kung fu ridiculousness, but my experiences with the actual Exalted community that discusses Exalted as often as people discuss DnD on this forum, is much more all about the Eclipse Caste/Zenith side of things and taking the politics and cultures of Creation seriously. there are even people who houserule to get rid of oversized artifact weapons which is saddening to me.

**Rater202** · 2022-01-24, 03:16 AM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Lord Raziere

I live for high octane ridiculousness. one needs to at times contrast it with slower more sedate moments for it to properly have weight and meaning, but its what I love.

@ Rater: ahahahahahahahaa.....

tell that to the Exalted fans who go read things like Debt: The First 5000 Years or talk extensively the sociology/anthropology of Blessed Isle and the various cultures of the Threshold. In my experience, the people who know about Exalted in general rpg community but aren't fans of it think its all Dawn Caste kung fu ridiculousness, but my experiences with the actual Exalted community that discusses Exalted as often as people discuss DnD on this forum, is much more all about the Eclipse Caste/Zenith side of things and taking the politics and cultures of Creation seriously. there are even people who house rule to get rid of oversized artifact weapons which is saddening to me.

I didn't say it was all Dawn kung fu. I said that it was intentionally a little bit silly, in part due to the fact that it's drawing inspiration from genres and historical/mythological sources that are often rather over the top...

Granted: The Solar Kung Fu aspects are part of what attracted me to it.

On the other hand, I'm the kind of person who, if something like the "Scan your gunpla and pilot it in a full emersion VR MMO" thing from that one Gundam spinoff anime was real, would in complete seriousness show up with a show accurate Grand Master Gundam model if that was permitted and possible. I might have a different idea of how fun being overpowered combat monsters is compared to average.

**Lord Raziere** · 2022-01-24, 03:26 AM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Rater202

I didn't say it was all Dawn kung fu. I said that it was intentionally a little bit silly, in part due to the fact that it's drawing inspiration from genres and historical/mythological sources that are often rather over the top...

Granted: The Solar Kung Fu aspects are part of what attracted me to it.

On the other hand, I'm the kind of person who, if something like the "Scan your gunpla and pilot it in a full emersion VR MMO" thing from that one Gundam spinoff anime was real, would in complete seriousness show up with a show accurate Grand Master Gundam model if that was permitted and possible. I might have a different idea of how fun being overpowered combat monsters is compared to average.

Sorry, your kind of talking about something thats my equivalent to your knowledge of Marvel comics here, with maybe only things like Naruto or Pokemon surpassing Exalted in terms of my knowledge.

**Rater202** · 2022-01-24, 03:30 AM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Lord Raziere

Sorry, your kind of talking about something thats my equivalent to your knowledge of Marvel comics here, with maybe only things like Naruto or Pokemon surpassing Exalted in terms of my knowledge.

Fair enough.

**Anonymouswizard** · 2022-01-24, 05:06 AM (ISO 8601)

Just to check, Exalted is the one that's 40% western fantasy, 10% old World of Darkness, and 50% Shounen Fighting Anime?

**BisectedBrioche** · 2022-01-24, 05:23 AM (ISO 8601)

Today marks my first week of streaming this year without Other M. Thank goodness.

**Bartmanhomer** · 2022-01-24, 06:52 AM (ISO 8601)

The whole social media community is total crap. We can say certain things on the internet but we're not allowed to say swear words on the internet? Bull****! The reason why I'm saying this is because my childhood friend on Facebook made a post saying that he commented on Youtube about Full House that he say a few curse words then someone reply friend comment saying he was not allowed to say curse words on the video. I comment on my friend's Facebook because I agree with my friend. The social media community is crap.

**Rater202** · 2022-01-24, 07:16 AM (ISO 8601)

So I recently started watching Red vs Blue... Little over a quarter way through season 3, and I gotta say, having a direct comparison for the first time... The Spartan models for the original Halo are a lot better than the ones in Halo 2.

That is all.

**Keltest** · 2022-01-24, 07:55 AM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Rater202

So I recently started watching Red vs Blue... Little over a quarter way through season 3, and I gotta say, having a direct comparison for the first time... The Spartan models for the original Halo are a lot better than the ones in Halo 2.

That is all.

Ive been playing the Master Chief Collection. Its a bit of a shock going from Reach models to CE models.

**Anonymouswizard** · 2022-01-24, 07:58 AM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Bartmanhomer

The whole social media community is total crap. We can say certain things on the internet but we're not allowed to say swear words on the internet? Bull****! The reason why I'm saying this is because my childhood friend on Facebook made a post saying that he commented on Youtube about Full House that he say a few curse words then someone reply friend comment saying he was not allowed to say curse words on the video. I comment on my friend's Facebook because I agree with my friend. The social media community is crap.

It very much matters what part of the internet you're on. I can't say **** on this board, but there's other areas of the internet where I can.

There's a related issue that big sites are being forced into becoming child-safe at the risk of legislation. It's not something we can really talk about here, but it does lead to blanket measures such as banning of comments on kid-focused YouTube videos, and attempts to work around such measures.

Here though it's more likely just somebody having a different opinion. Some people are pro-swear words, others aren't, your friend likely just ran into somebody who didn't like them.

**Bartmanhomer** · 2022-01-24, 08:01 AM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Anonymouswizard

It very much matters what part of the internet you're on. I can't say **** on this board, but there's other areas of the internet where I can.

There's a related issue that big sites are being forced into becoming child-safe at the risk of legislation. It's not something we can really talk about here, but it does lead to blanket measures such as banning of comments on kid-focused YouTube videos, and attempts to work around such measures.

Here though it's more likely just somebody having a different opinion. Some people are pro-swear words, others aren't, your friend likely just ran into somebody who didn't like them.

Yeah Anon, I understand that. That person who doesn't like swear words must be a Karen.

**Anonymouswizard** · 2022-01-24, 08:03 AM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Bartmanhomer

Yeah Anon, I understand that. That person who doesn't like swear words must be a Karen.

Or they just don't like swear words, no need to make assumptions about them.

**Keltest** · 2022-01-24, 08:04 AM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Anonymouswizard

Or they just don't like swear words, no need to make assumptions about them.

Indeed. At the end of the day, cursing is impolite. Theres a time and a place for it, but casual online conversation with a stranger is generally not either of those.

Thread: Bartmanhomer Evil Random Banter Thread #237

Bartmanhomer Evil Random Banter Thread #237

Re: Bartmanhomer Evil Random Banter Thread #237

Re: Bartmanhomer Evil Random Banter Thread #237

Re: Bartmanhomer Evil Random Banter Thread #237

Re: Bartmanhomer Evil Random Banter Thread #237

Re: Bartmanhomer Evil Random Banter Thread #237

Re: Bartmanhomer Evil Random Banter Thread #237

Re: Bartmanhomer Evil Random Banter Thread #237

Re: Bartmanhomer Evil Random Banter Thread #237

Re: Bartmanhomer Evil Random Banter Thread #237

Re: Bartmanhomer Evil Random Banter Thread #237

Re: Bartmanhomer Evil Random Banter Thread #237

Re: Bartmanhomer Evil Random Banter Thread #237

Re: Bartmanhomer Evil Random Banter Thread #237

Re: Bartmanhomer Evil Random Banter Thread #237

Re: Bartmanhomer Evil Random Banter Thread #237

Re: Bartmanhomer Evil Random Banter Thread #237

Re: Bartmanhomer Evil Random Banter Thread #237

Re: Bartmanhomer Evil Random Banter Thread #237

Re: Bartmanhomer Evil Random Banter Thread #237

Re: Bartmanhomer Evil Random Banter Thread #237

Re: Bartmanhomer Evil Random Banter Thread #237

Re: Bartmanhomer Evil Random Banter Thread #237

Re: Bartmanhomer Evil Random Banter Thread #237

Re: Bartmanhomer Evil Random Banter Thread #237

Re: Bartmanhomer Evil Random Banter Thread #237

Re: Bartmanhomer Evil Random Banter Thread #237

Re: Bartmanhomer Evil Random Banter Thread #237

Re: Bartmanhomer Evil Random Banter Thread #237

Re: Bartmanhomer Evil Random Banter Thread #237

Posting Permissions