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Thread: Werewolf/Mafia: Percy Jackson
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Re: Werewolf/Mafia: Percy Jackson
And no I'm not saying there is no possible way xihirli and the vig are both wolves I'm simply saying that it is rather likely at least one is a wolf.
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Re: Werewolf/Mafia: Percy Jackson
When I asked Gac about it in my QT he was being vague about it so idk if I trust that. Lightning means definitely the vig but I got no reason to believe wolves didn't also target.
Also that doesn't address 2wolf scenario either."Trust bladescape, Shadow of Doubt,"
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Re: Werewolf/Mafia: Percy Jackson
Nothing concrete, I'm afraid.
But her somewhat accepting way towards getting lynched was enough for me to consider another target.
And I still think Xi is quite suspicous.
She keeps saying "Killed the Seer", something that paints a very bad light on the action of the Vig. And she does this without giving me any reason why it should matter that AV was the seer. On a later day, sure. Team Wolf could have learned the role. But day 1? Only if AV told them. But I realy doubt anybody but Apogee got this info. And Apogee is either town, or it does not matter since team wolf has basically won by now since they would have too many infos about everyone else.
Plus the good arguments about there only beeing one night kill. (update) With Xi beeing blocked. (/update)
Plus she was my own day 1 lynch target (before BCH).
And, lastly, I think some more disscusion can only be good for town. In with case: mission accomplishedLast edited by Rogan; 2021-06-06 at 10:58 AM. Reason: One additional sentence
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2021-06-06, 10:57 AM (ISO 8601)
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Eh, true. Sorry I misread you there. For some reason my initial passover it looked like you saying "One is wolf and the other is town." and my logic brain went "Well that's pretty damn confident of you Mr Dile sir."
Also there's the possibility the 2lifer just hasn't been on. There are 4 (5?) people who haven't posted yet this day phase.
That being said, I don't hate the Xi wagon. As I said, she was second on my "List if lynchables" only behind Snow.
I am slightly concerned by the fact it's risen in popularity in the last 12 hours of the day though. That's usually counterlynch to get off a wolf territory of late plays."Trust bladescape, Shadow of Doubt,"
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2021-06-06, 10:58 AM (ISO 8601)
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Or, a child of Zeus not necessarily with vig powers aimed the wolves’ factional kill, and seeing that there was only one kill in the night a wolf decided to fake-claim a role they now knew wasn’t in the game.
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2021-06-06, 10:59 AM (ISO 8601)
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2021-06-06, 10:59 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf/Mafia: Percy Jackson
Jeen? Do you know if there is one or two children of Zeus you have to kill?
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Jeen, never mind (unless you asked Gac and got additional info).
All children of Zeus is not both children of Zeus. But I think it's more likely there are two Children.
Otherwise the victory condition could be achived by pure random chance day 1. (Day 1 Win is possible, as seen by Emmy, but she actually had to DO something to make it happen)
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2021-06-06, 11:23 AM (ISO 8601)
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There are counter wagons now and I feel better that we will have *something* to analyze tomorrow instead of a unilateral lynch snow vote.
I have played too many games of being Luke warm. I am throwing info around and casting suspicions, if it gets me lynched after snow, that's fine. I just read her as more towny than Xi.
As for Xi's argument we lynch the big. That'd be great if it was a known player, but only Apogee knows and they didn't share (not that I am saying they should). Right now Xi and Snow are most likely targets with Val a distant 3rd because of D1 suspicions.
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2021-06-06, 11:35 AM (ISO 8601)
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Could you explain why you think it would be great?
I think, this plan has a quite high cost if the vig is town.
And we have another way to semi-validate the alignment:
From now on, Apogee directs the kill.
- The vig kills a wolf. Some town cred, but not compleatly cleared.
- The vig kills the target Apogee pointed him at, but its not a wolf. Neutral, but Apogee needs to confirm this.
- The vig kills someone else. Unless there is strong evidence for a target switch, the vig is wolf and should be killed day 3.
The cost of going with this plan while the vig is a wolf:
- If the vig kill is in addition to the normal kill, like I think, Team wolf will get one more kill. But it would discredit Xi some more.
- If the vig kill is instead of the normal wolf kill (maybe powered up) it's only some delay in getting the Vig info. Yielding different info instead.
But if the vig is town, town has another weapon against the wolves.
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2021-06-06, 11:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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Thats... not what I said?
I think Xis plan (Apogee outs the vig to get killed) is bad and have proposed a different solution.
As for Xi's argument we lynch the big. That'd be great if it was a known player...
Rereading your comment (instead of jumping on the sentence I have quoted above) I also noticed this:
but only Apogee knows and they didn't share (not that I am saying they should)
I would like to know if my proposal to use the vig by letting Apogee controll the target has some flaws I did not notice. If you (or anybody else) could point them out, it would give me a reson to withdraw some of by doubt about Xi.
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2021-06-06, 11:59 AM (ISO 8601)
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Yeah I have to admit I'm torn between the two subjects Xihirli and Snowblaze. Took my first Covid vaccine today. Yay!
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2021-06-06, 12:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-06-06, 12:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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I'm keeping my vote on Snowblaze for now, but I don't like it.
Snowblaze's situation is almost identical to BCH's in some ways, in that it's someone who got caught in a really strange lie and claimed a neutral role. If they flip neutral, I won't be surprised, but the situation is weird enough that I could see them flipping wolf.
The death of AV is still really odd, to me, especially since it was the only death last night and the Zeusling's apparent response was "Oops! My bad! I'm town, though." That's... uncomfortable, but I have no idea who this Zeusling could be, so I literally can't vote them in any way that matters.
Xihirli seems to be under suspicion due to knowledge of her character (whether said knowledge is true or not, I can't say) and her insistence that AV's death smells fishy. Maybe I'm being duped, but I tend to agree with her that I don't like the explanation we've been given for that death so far, so I'm not comfortable with voting her at the moment.
I'd be happy to change my vote (Snowblaze feels like a neutral, and we should get rid of some wolves soon before they become a legitimate problem), but I have no one who I want to change it to at the moment.
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2021-06-06, 12:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf/Mafia: Percy Jackson
Xihirli was roleblocked. There is a role for the kill and the wolf kill base. At least One of them is most likely a wolf, however we can't vote for the vig(apogee won't tell us so you know the problem there.) It is possible for Xihirli to be a wolf in the situation given to us, and the only other reasonable explanation would be if The Vig was the wolf killer. Since the ones that make them safe the two-lifer, and the double kill on AV are rather unlikely since they do not line up with what we see.
This causes suspicion to arise on Xihirli since they are the only one of the two we can vote for. And with their death it necessitates Apogee revealing the Vig allowing us to vote for them if they do end up being the wolf.
Xihirli however is acting contrary to how people know her, and is doing things out of character. Not only that, but she is focusing on an aspect that neither the vig or the wolves could have known at the time the killing taking place to add more suspicion on the vig side of the equation.
All in all we have snowblaze the liar, Xihirli the strange, and The vig the unknown. These all are in relative terms the most suspicious people we have for who can be a wolf. Of these Snowblaze and Xihirli are the ones we can vote for and is why I'm having a hard time of figuring out who to actually vote for. And it doesn't help that I have a headache right now.
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2021-06-06, 12:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf/Mafia: Percy Jackson
That there is only one death is one of the things that makes Xi sucpious. We know she was blocked by dionysus. (Her own behaivour at the start of day, plus confirmation via apogee).
Gac also stated that a wolf would be able to use his power AND the factional kill. So there should be two kills.
Our healer told apogee that he did not get a hint his power saved someone, but getting such a hint would be in line with the fluff (beeing close enough to heal the wounds, preventing death). I don't know if there is narrator confirmation that the role would work this way, but it seems plausible.
So, the options are:
- Hard to kill. No info yet.
- Poseidons save. Seems unlikely, see above.
- Double kill. I think it's unlikely, but we can't rule it out.
- Xi carried the kill, but was blocked.
Did I forgett anything?
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I should add:
If Apogee comes in with a statement like "I know what happened to the wolf kill, and it was not Xi beeing blocked" this would definitly clear Xi.
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2021-06-06, 12:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf/Mafia: Percy Jackson
5) the zeusling is the mafia killer, and doesn't get two kills but one buffed one instead.
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2021-06-06, 12:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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I sat on that post for a solid 5 minutes trying to remember what else I wanted to mention against Xi. Thank you for finishing it for me. I DO like the plan of apogee directing the video kill and testing that way and the fact that Xi wants to be 'helpful, but not too helpful only further incriminates her. We need to verify this via, I agree with that sentiment, but killing them is not the best way to verify (as others have argued) because we potentially lose a really powerful town ability.
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2021-06-06, 12:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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Vig claimed now. This does not realy move his alignment in any way, but we get a way to test him. It removes the posibility of a target manipulating power in play.
This post also implies that Poseidons healing power was not responsible for stopping the kill.
The children of dionysus did not receive a hint that there would be someone with a special interest in them. The children of Zeus did (Jeen told us, when he presented his true role). If Snow flips neutral, slight point against the child of zeus. Otherwise no info.
An unknown neutral. Suspicious, but we don't have enough info here.
Adding to my list of possible explanations for only one kill:
Spoiler: Original list
- Hard to kill. No info yet.
- Poseidons save. Seems unlikely, see above.
- Double kill. I think it's unlikely, but we can't rule it out.
- Xi carried the kill, but was blocked.
Unlikely, see the following posts of Gac.
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2021-06-06, 12:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf/Mafia: Percy Jackson
Fair, but if the doctor got information that his target wasn't attacked, then that is another mod confirmation that 2 didn't happen.
Similarly the two-lifer should know if they were attacked or not and would have reported on it.
Double Kill should have been commented on in the end of night report.
Reallly the only likely option is Xihirli is a killer from a practical stand point.
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2021-06-06, 01:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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If I realy said you would do something you did not, I'm sorry.
If you mean the "seem to be helpful without beeing helpful", this is not something I have said in general.
I have said that insisting that Apogee should out the Vig and we should kill him is in fact NOT helpful and provided my reasoning for this. If you think this reason is flawed, feel free to point those flaws out. I'm ready to listen.
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2021-06-06, 01:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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Sure, the flaw is that Apogee is protecting a wolf and I’d rather he stop.
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2021-06-06, 01:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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Thank you for the clarification; I see a little more clearly why there's stronger suspicion on Xi at the moment. That being said, it's not conclusive (and none of you said it's conclusive, we're running off of conjecture for most of this), so Xi could still quite possibly be town. Snowblaze, however, could either be wolf or neutral; their chance of being town is astronomically low, and would require Snowblaze to have lied several times for literally no reason. So, it seems to me at the moment that Snowblaze is still the better vote; she is either a win for town as wolf or a mixed bag as neutral, while Xi is either a win for town as wolf or a loss for town as town.
I'm still a bit nervous about the vig kill last night, but without a name we can't do anything about that so I guess we just have to pass that over for now.
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2021-06-06, 01:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf/Mafia: Percy Jackson
- Wolves: targeted AV separate from Zeus: Lightning Control.
- Wolf!Xi: carried the kill, but was blocked.
- Zeus: Lightning Control is the mafia killer, and doesn't get two kills but one buffed one instead.
- Poseidon: Healing Waters saved someone.
- Ares: Hard to Kill was attacked. No info yet.
- Zeus: Mystical Might changed the Wolf target away from one player and to AV or Ares:Hard to Kill
- Dionysus: Induce Madness changed the target.
- Neutral: Some ability we don't know was used.
Added on three options to the list of what happened. Struck out the two we have evidence against.
Maybe it's just having the arguments against Xi formatted differently but I definitely understand that option 2 (Xi is a wolf) looks the most likely to people. Apogee can rule out that Mystical Might and Hard to Kill weren't involved? Or even the Neutrals, if they have full claimed to you?
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Snowblaze (6): CaoimhinTheCape, Elenna, Zelphas, Bladescape, Valmark, Xihirli
Valmark (2): JeenLeen, Murska
Xihirli (4): Rogue_Alchemist, Rogan, Snowblaze, Totadileplayz
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