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Re: afroakuma's Planar And Other Oddities Questions Thread VII
Sure, I know that's how it works in baator itself, I was more asking about what happens if you're harvesting souls elsewhere, where I don't think soul grubs exist.
EDIT: while we're on it, why are night hags so different from the other 3 kinds of hags? they're outsiders from hades it looks like, not monstrous humanoids like their sisters.
what are blue hags? are they canon? are they outsiders too? where are they from?
did the other hags used to be outsiders but got demoted when hell was formed or for not being evil enough? did night hags perform some great service to evil gods and get uplifted to outsider status?
how do hags reproduce? I thought they could breed with male humans or giants to yield either hags or hagspawn, but research indicates they might also eat babies of various species and birth a hag one week later. which if any of these is right? is it a third thing?Last edited by Venger; 2019-07-20 at 11:36 PM.
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2019-07-21, 06:05 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: afroakuma's Planar And Other Oddities Questions Thread VII
Night hags mostly use larvae. "Ecology of the Night Hag", an article from Dragon Magazine #324, claims that night hags have a talent for sensing which people will become larvae after their death, and that they know exactly where in Hades the soul of someone they rode to death manifests. So they only need to go there and collect the larva.
Larvae are primarily a phenomenon of Hades, but appear on all the lower planes.
EDIT: while we're on it, why are night hags so different from the other 3 kinds of hags? they're outsiders from hades it looks like, not monstrous humanoids like their sisters.
what are blue hags? are they canon? are they outsiders too? where are they from?
how do hags reproduce? I thought they could breed with male humans or giants to yield either hags or hagspawn, but research indicates they might also eat babies of various species and birth a hag one week later. which if any of these is right? is it a third thing?Last edited by Tzardok; 2019-09-10 at 08:32 AM.
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2019-07-21, 09:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: afroakuma's Planar And Other Oddities Questions Thread VII
The early attestations of Garyx make no mention of insanity or instability; indeed, the most famous early myth of him (from over 20,000 years ago) is of he and the giant deity Annam playing a chess-like game to a thousand-year stalemate, suggesting a razor-keen mind. It should be noted that Garyx leaks status as you travel forward through his mentions; while the first appearance of Garyx suggests a greater deity residing in the Abyss, in 3rd Edition sources we find him a lesser deity in Pandemonium, and apparently mad. Perhaps the era of truly epic draconic destruction has abated, and Garyx fled the Abyss to regroup and plot how to burn it all down again.
Plane shift would be specifically useless in the context of crystal spheres, which are on the same plane. Gate has the same limitation. What you'd be looking for is greater teleport, which can absolutely pop you from one crystal sphere to another, provided local circumstances permit. It may be more challenging to bypass a crystal sphere with such a spell, or outright impossible, depending on the particular qualities set for that sphere.
You'd normally collect them either post-mortem, in which case they physically exist on an Outer Plane, or in some kind of receptacle if you're to claim them from life (via trap the soul or similar). If the contract has a physical form, it might also function as a medium for the transaction of a soul, though not unlike a land title the possession of the document does not necessarily confer any physical immediacy...
Night hags are an altogether different thing from the hags of the Prime. While these are natural beings, albeit with a supernatural and parasitic life cycle, night hags are most decidedly not - they are fiends, and each exists through trespass upon the realms of mortals and violations of the most perverse and awful sort. Whatever fell will brought the first night hag into existence, the perpetuation of their line is a crass blasphemy and one of the dark secrets of the Lower Planes. Even the mythology surrounding Cegilune's origins makes no mention of the night hag, and the foul ogresses of the Gray Waste pay the Goddess of Scorn no more heed than she can compel from them.
what are blue hags? are they canon? are they outsiders too? where are they from?
did the other hags used to be outsiders but got demoted when hell was formed or for not being evil enough?
how do hags reproduce? I thought they could breed with male humans or giants to yield either hags or hagspawn, but research indicates they might also eat babies of various species and birth a hag one week later. which if any of these is right? is it a third thing?Need a place to hang? Like Discord? Don't mind dealing with a capricious demon lord? Then you're welcome to join our LGBTQ+ friendly, often silly, very geeky server to discuss food, music, video games, tabletop, and much more.
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2019-07-21, 09:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: afroakuma's Planar And Other Oddities Questions Thread VII
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2019-07-22, 12:17 AM (ISO 8601)
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I mean, it definitely will not, and you will have absolutely no rights to it under that scenario.
I'm just curious what methodology you believe gets you someone's soul without allowing you to trap it. That thing from The Simpsons?
Off the cuff, I don't know of any method of legitimately securing the rights to someone's soul that doesn't innately involve bringing it into your possession as part of the deal. For instance, a fiend of corruption's soul bargain ability specifically includes a trap the soul contingent effect at the moment of your customer's passing. Thinaun weapons trap the soul of the one murdered with them inside the blade.
If you've got some kind of magic that entitles you to the soul of another, by definition it should contain an enforcement clause. Do you have an example of something that does not fit that description?Need a place to hang? Like Discord? Don't mind dealing with a capricious demon lord? Then you're welcome to join our LGBTQ+ friendly, often silly, very geeky server to discuss food, music, video games, tabletop, and much more.
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2019-07-22, 12:39 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: afroakuma's Planar And Other Oddities Questions Thread VII
Fiend of corruption. It says you can make a deal for someone's soul, and suggests using soul bind or trap the soul, but if you take enough levels to earn this ability, your spellcasting will be sufficiently held back that you won't be able to cast spells like this by yourself.
Off the cuff, I don't know of any method of legitimately securing the rights to someone's soul that doesn't innately involve bringing it into your possession as part of the deal. For instance, a fiend of corruption's soul bargain ability specifically includes a trap the soul contingent effect at the moment of your customer's passing. Thinaun weapons trap the soul of the one murdered with them inside the blade.
I think the disconnect comes from me misinterpreting part of the entry on soul bargain. When I saw the phrase:
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2019-07-22, 02:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-07-22, 05:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: afroakuma's Planar And Other Oddities Questions Thread VII
Even at 10th level I don't believe you'd qualify; while the capstone makes you an Outsider (extraplanar) on the Prime and (native) on Baator, it does not confer the Evil subtype that you need to get into Fiend of Corruption. Also you'd need to figure out how to get the charm spell-like... but all that's between you and your DM, I suppose.
I thought it was listing an example of the kind of thing you could do to house your mark's soul. I didn't parse it as being natively provided by the ability itself, but (obviously) that makes more sense.Need a place to hang? Like Discord? Don't mind dealing with a capricious demon lord? Then you're welcome to join our LGBTQ+ friendly, often silly, very geeky server to discuss food, music, video games, tabletop, and much more.
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2019-07-22, 07:31 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: afroakuma's Planar And Other Oddities Questions Thread VII
A level of warlock covers the charm person spell-like ability, so that much is easy enough if you don’t mind the lost progression. Divine disciple can get the evil subtype, and it’s an easy-to-enter 5/5 spellcasting PrC.
The bigger problem is that you don’t have the levels for it pre-epic. Planar shepherd requires 5 levels of druid for wild shape, and then is 10 levels long while fiend of corruption is 6 levels long: that’s already 21st level. Adding in a level of warlock and five levels of divine disciple brings you to 27th, at which point the soul bargain ability has long-since ceased to be particularly relevant.
You can, of course, cheese around those, but the best way to do that—Mulhorandi divine minion of Sebek—makes the planar self capstone kind of irrelevant, as it already makes you into an Evil outsider all on its own. Obviously, planar shepherd is excellent for other reasons, so you could still do LA +1/1st-level warlock/2nd-level druid/10th-level planar shepherd/6th-level fiend of corruption, I guess, but it does kind of mess with the storyline if you were an evil outsider the entire time, and you need to already have it before taking your planar shepherd levels (also, the description specifies that divine minions usually have 6 class levels before gaining the template, and those levels are in usually in classes other than druid).
All in all, not going to work really without houserules.Last edited by Alea; 2019-07-22 at 07:32 PM.
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Re: afroakuma's Planar And Other Oddities Questions Thread VII
You are, of course, correct. I figured I'd either use divine disciple or diabolus divine minion. by the time outsider wild shape is up (which confers slas), you can be in it all day. Not intended for use in play, was working on a story or possibly campaign for these characters, but it's nice to know how it would work mechanically.
Ah no. Soul Bargain specifically requires you to procure the expensive jewel (you're preparing it, which includes purchasing it and having it in your possession) already ready for your mark. The ability does not conjure a free gemstone out of thin air.Last edited by Venger; 2019-07-22 at 07:32 PM.
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2019-07-23, 08:12 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: afroakuma's Planar And Other Oddities Questions Thread VII
Does the king of dragon deity, Io ever have a wife or consort? If so, whatever happened to her anyway?
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I am slowly working my way through the older thread and finished most of mapping the infinite and the associated pages, so apologies if you covered this already, but what is the origin of mind flayers?
I have heard humans from the future who travel back.
Creations of the massive psionic brain pool ocean of the 9 hells during the half/fiendish purge. Rather creations of the piece of that which was/is the original elder brain which is in a cave on the outlands.
The interstellar overlords who enslaved the gith and had a star blow up wrecking their empire.
Which is it? Or something else?
Also does Boccabs library work similarly to Thoths with entrapment - esque librarians and whatnot?
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2019-07-24, 04:45 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: afroakuma's Planar And Other Oddities Questions Thread VII
Holy... You've got a whole bunch of partially right things here. Let's clean up the misunderstandings.
I have heard humans from the future who travel back.
Some people believe that having the Illithid Heritage feats denotes being an ancestor to mind flayers instead of having mind flayers as ancestors, but there is no proof that mind flayers are descended from any modern day humanoids.
Creations of the massive psionic brain pool ocean of the 9 hells during the half/fiendish purge. Rather creations of the piece of that which was/is the original elder brain which is in a cave on the outlands.
There are rumors that Ilsensine was created accidently by devils trying to replicate the creation of elder brains with mind flayer souls, but again... no proof. Anyway, there is no "massive psionic brain pool ocean" in the Hells, at least not in any description I've read.
I don't know what this half-fiendish purge is supposed to be. Are you maybe confusing it with the Reckoning, a relatively recent massive civil war in Baator?
The interstellar overlords who enslaved the gith and had a star blow up wrecking their empire.Last edited by Tzardok; 2019-07-24 at 05:08 AM.
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These passages from the musèe arcane.
referring to psionic information gathering on Nessus.
...The fleeting images I recall were of a grey pulpy pool as large as nine Prime Oceans, seething with intelligence and malice, more vastly powerful than anything before or since. It seemed the baatezu were the first to invent the Illithid Brain Pool, and they did so with a flourish!
Baatezu try to destroy it, forming the styx and the lethe but
...However, a small part of the sea escaped from harm, draining energy from Caina to stave off the fires...and this is why the eighth plane of Baator is so terribly cold. Pooling the last of its energies, it slipped through the planar border itself, and though it was weak and wizened when it arrived on the Outlands it was still as powerful as a god. Hiding itself away in the caverns near the Spire it became Ilsensine, the illithid creator power.
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The Musée Arcane, like nearly everything else on mimir.net, is fanmade and written in-character, which makes it possible for the author to be mistaken. You may add things from there to your headcanon (I personally like the Via Romana, and the Planes of Cordance and the Semi-Elemental Planes are treated as canon in this thread), but it's better to treat the quoted passages as rumor instead of gospel. As the quoted text ends with
"Alas, I cannot prove a word."
If you still don't believe me on the origin of mind flayers, read the chapter on illithids in Lords of Madness.Last edited by Tzardok; 2019-07-24 at 09:10 AM.
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What determines if a creature is weak to silver and/or cold iron?
My impression is that silver purifies Evil and cold iron disrupts Chaos, but I don't think that's consistent.
Are there substances similarly anathema to Good and Law?
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Re: afroakuma's Planar And Other Oddities Questions Thread VII
According to the SRD of your bag of holding is overloaded the "..contents are lost forever."
Where do they go?
Is this just a 3.x thing? Did it exist in other editions?
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There's no unifying relationship between alignment and material DR. Demons can be harmed normally by Cold Iron, and devils can be harmed normally by Alchemical Silver, but this isn't true of lawful or chaotic outsiders in general - you'll note that celestials and slaad have no such relationship with the magical materials.
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Is The Patient One (LoM) the same god as Tharazidun? I am seeing things online claiming The Patient One is another name for Tharazidun.
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Is there any Archomentals or key named elementals (or just key named creatures in general) for the Energy Planes, the Quasi- and the Para- planes.
I know theres Cryonax, who I believe is Ice, but I dont know of any others. Currently Im looking for one for Radiance, but I was curious about the other less common planes as well.
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Re: afroakuma's Planar And Other Oddities Questions Thread VII
The other Para-Archomentals are Bwimb/Bwimb II of Ooze, Ehkhak of Smoke, and Chlimbia of Magma. The Quasi-Archomentals include Gazra of Ash, Crystalle of Minerals, Alu-Kahn-Sang of Dust and (maybe) Sun Sing of Vacuum. 4th Edition then introduces a whole bunch more.
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I use braces (also known as "curly brackets") to indicate sarcasm. If there are none present, I probably believe what I am saying; should it turn out to be inaccurate trivia, please tell me rather than trying to play along with an apparent joke I don't know I'm making.
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Re: afroakuma's Planar And Other Oddities Questions Thread VII
I've read these threads for a long time before I signed up, and I'm asking my first question!
What are pit fiends actually called?
Like how bearded devils are actually called barbazu, or how assassin devils are actually called dogai, or how horned devils are actually called cornugons. What is the... I guess "proper" name for a pit fiend?
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From the 6. thread:
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Ok, I have a question to ask. Has Bahamut ever have a fight or argument with his two other good dragon deity siblings, Tamara and Hlal? If so, what was the conflict about?
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Re: afroakuma's Planar And Other Oddities Questions Thread VII
There's two answers to this one:
• The first appearance of mind flayers chronologically is far in the past, when a number of them traveled back in time to escape some catastrophic future event. The flayers of the present are descendants of these.
• We don't know how the mind flayers originate i.e. at what point they would have emerged without the time travel or why. It's possible they're now a closed loop and self-establish by way of time travel.
Any of the other stuff you read is fanon.
Also does Boccabs library work similarly to Thoths with entrapment - esque librarians and whatnot?
It's not a particularly consistent thing; while cold iron is bad for fey, eladrin, and tanar'ri (for example), silver is bad for lycanthropes, who aren't linked to Baator or any one alignment. In short - no firm definition.
According to the 2E DMG, they plummet into the "vortices of nilspace." So basically the magic holding up the extradimensional space fails and they plummet into nondimensional space, which is... pretty hard to get back from. Not impossible, of course; a bag of holding rupture is no solution for artifacts, for instance.
That would be no. It's been suggested they might be related in some way, but they're distinct entities.
For Radiance, there are none. The only distinctive unique beings of Radiance that have been named are King Black and Queen White, and we know virtually nothing about them except their names.
Asmodeus Asmodeus,
Asmodeus Asmodeus,
oh, oh, oh Asmodeus.
As noted above, they don't have one and wouldn't want to. Pit fiends don't consider themselves a "species," they basically feel they're all individuals who have achieved a certain baseline status (and of course all of them feel they've exceeded that baseline much more than their peers). They consider themselves the chosen of Nessus, and thus quite literally "the fiends of the Pit.
I mean, good deities disagree about stuff all the time, so I'm sure it's happened, but nothing documented.Need a place to hang? Like Discord? Don't mind dealing with a capricious demon lord? Then you're welcome to join our LGBTQ+ friendly, often silly, very geeky server to discuss food, music, video games, tabletop, and much more.
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FC 2 mentions pit fiends with max hp etc. formed from drops of Asmodeaus's blood from his giant celestial body on Nessus. How many of these are there, and do they all just work as guards on the 9th layer?
If there are a lot why not send some up for the blood war to swing it majorly? And how do the other pit fiends, either regular or of note, feel about those fiends who got it all for free? Especially like the named generals on the first layer.
And again why aren't those super pit fiends replacing the generals because they are just better.
Also, is there a list of remaining Obyrith lords anywhere other than FC1? And which is the strongest if there are more than FC1 lists.
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As per Planescape, lost things generally end up on the Astral Plane. It's the backstage of the universe, it's where all the things go that have nowhere else to go. That's where I'd put them.
There's also the second layer of Acheron, where broken and destroyed things often end up on, especially if they are weapons. That might also be appropriate for some items.Resident Vancian Apologist