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2023-06-05, 03:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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Aces & Eights
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2023-06-05, 09:01 PM (ISO 8601)
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The tables are full. The dealers are quick. The chips are feather-light but weigh on the mind like a ton of gold.
"Aces are high, jokers are wild."
And the games begin.Last edited by AvatarVecna; 2023-06-08 at 08:28 PM.
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Howdy pardners 🤠
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2023-06-05, 09:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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I play Squirtle, and attach a water energy to it! Squirtle use bubble on the Litwicks go! Now I flip a coin... Come on heads....?
[So counting Ti as "player 14"]
CaoimhinTheCape? This coin is weird.....
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2023-06-05, 10:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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Alright friends, let’s see what the cards say, shall we?
[roll]1d14[/roll]
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Huh, I guess it doesn’t work on this forum?
WellRoganfor now then.Last edited by 3SecondCultist; 2023-06-07 at 05:58 AM. Reason: Formatting
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2023-06-05, 11:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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Well howdy, folks, I'm Persolus n' me n' my nice little six-shooter here think y'all shouldn't kill me first round.
Fer the record, I'd like to be stated as spe-cif-i-catin' that this here ain't any claims of power roles as such, just good ol-fashioned role-play.
Now i have me here a nice fancy little d14, and wouldn'tcha know, it's giving me a feeling thatJeenLeenmight not quite be playing above the board with us, if y' catch m' drift.Last edited by Persolus; 2023-06-08 at 02:04 PM. Reason: unvote
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2023-06-05, 11:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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By the toss of the myriad coin, ye shall answer Snowblaze.
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2023-06-06, 01:16 AM (ISO 8601)
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Di checked her reflection in her hand-mirror, quite unnecessarily at this point: she knew quite well the proper amount of lipstick to apply to produce the desired effect. It was part of the ritual, though, that was what mattered.
Satisfied, she reached for the cards in front of her, mentally fixing her mask in place as she did so. The little smile as she saw what she'd been dealt wasn't fake, though, it never was. She smiled for the thrill of another round of the game she loved. Smiled because this was what she lived for.
Let's go with...Book Wombat, because OMGUS. AlsobladescapeandXihirli. Because why have multiple votes and not use them properly?
(Speaking of which, is there a reason to not just have everyone claim their voting power?)Last edited by Snowblaze; 2023-06-07 at 08:07 AM.
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2023-06-06, 01:23 AM (ISO 8601)
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Pleasure t' make yer acquaintance, Levitate, right? Welcome to our pleasant li'l town of GiantITP, apologies that it's a mite in-hospitable-like at the moment what with the dirty-no-good-sons-of-a-gun cheaters 'round these parts. You got experience with this sort of thing?
Well my fair lady, seems to me like there's no reason for anyone asked not t' jest lie straight through their teeth, and that could be for any number o' reasons, if you follow my train of thought. If you want t' start us off with sharing yer own be my guest, but don't mind me being a mite hes-i-tatent to join you!
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2023-06-06, 01:32 AM (ISO 8601)
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I mean, I'm slightly struggling to think of reasons for town to lie about it rn. (Beyond "screw you, I'm an agent of chaos and I will not abide by your rules".)
(Then again part of the reason I'm suggesting it is just "I, personally, want to know what's going on". Which isn't the same thing as "it is pro-town to reveal this information", even if I do also think the latter.)
As for my number of votes, the same as the number of people I'm voting for.
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2023-06-06, 07:45 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Aces & Eights
None of us know the distribution of votes we each have.
The wolves have some better insight into that than Town does, since they have more players in communication with each other, but they can't know if their count is different from a normal player's or not. I have a few speculations about how AV might've done the vote distributions, but I'm not sure how much I want to publicly speculate yet.
I want to reread the rules on how votes are distributed after death, but I have a suspicion that sharing our votes (like sharing powers) might help the wolves more than town right now. "Rich" folk could make better targets, and wolves have more concern about who really has a wagon on them verses it being a bluff.
So I can think of reasons it might be good for Town to lie. Not sure if I'm correct or not, but I can think of the reasons.
SoSnowblaze.
Her asking could be genuine. It could be wolf trying to get intel. I admit I don't think she'd have a tone like she does if she were wolf, but WIFOM.
And why not...Book Wombat, Persolus, JeenLeen
Tangent: this does feel like a fun game to RP in. Might try that in a bit, but real life and work caught up with me as this game started.
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Reread some.
Originally Posted by rules
At the least, it's a reason to realize that, even if we're honest about our votes now, we can't really use that info well since we don't know when/if votes will go to a wolf.
Originally Posted by rules
Am I reading that right?
Questions for AV
Asking this to make sure I understand the rules.
If I had 4 vote power, and I vote Snowblaze and Book Wombat, each would get 2 votes each as 4/2 = 2. Right?
If I only voted Snowblaze, it'd count as 4 votes against her, right?
Are we allowed to do something like vote the same person multiple times?
I can see this to let us make sure we are voting the way we want (that is, not confused by the rules). So if I have 5 power and want to be sure I get two votes on A and three votes on B, I could vote A A B B B.
(I think voting A then B would do the same based on rule #4, but I might not remember that later.)
Of course, that tips our hand to our vote power so it's probably a bad move, but I want to know if it's allowed in this game.
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NOTE: I screwed up the copy/paste and QUOTES from the opening thread regarding the REDACTED thing. I think my point is still getting across clear enough, but adding this to note that screw-up since we're not supposed to edit our posts.Last edited by JeenLeen; 2023-06-07 at 08:47 AM.
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2023-06-06, 08:15 AM (ISO 8601)
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Well, I suppose it's time to Ante up.
JeenLeen, I'll match your one chip that you've put on... everything.Last edited by Xihirli; 2023-06-07 at 02:54 PM.
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2023-06-06, 09:29 AM (ISO 8601)
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If someone in town is significantly richer (more votes) and the unknown half of the votes goes to wolves or evil neutral, then knowing who in town has the most votes is pro-wolf not pro town.
Speaking of voting, I see3SecondCultistandPersolususing dice...at a card game?Last edited by Benoojian; 2023-06-07 at 02:29 PM.
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2023-06-06, 10:30 AM (ISO 8601)
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2023-06-06, 10:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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Okay, yeah, on further thought (read: other people pointing it out) there are actually some pretty good reasons not to massclaim voting power. (Though I kind of doubt the extra mechanic is "wolves get a ton of votes", seems unbalanced imo.)
So... reads.
awkward silence
The only things of note imo are Jeen's post, which... my gut dislikes "I don't think Snowblaze would have this tone as wolf but I'm voting her anyway", but also making that read is giving me flashbacks to incorrectly invoking it in Champs so I won't.
And 3SC voting for someone who isn't playing, which... it's NAI. I can't even force myself to have a read on it, except "just to check, 3SC, you are aware Rogan is a replacement and not currently playing".
So, yup, I officially have no reads. Can people do stuff please? Thanks!
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Actually no that's a lie, Jeen is also self-voting. Which is... mildly towny if I squint. I have reads!I'm writing stuff, come and read it!
Werewolf games won: 24
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Games as town: 23.5
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2023-06-06, 11:24 AM (ISO 8601)
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2023-06-06, 12:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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Rolling up their sleeves, Cape turns their chair around and picks up their hand. A smirk appears on their face and they tilt their hat down to cover their eyes. "Sorry for the delay, took a while to hitch up my ride. Now. Let's see what we can make with this hand..."
Let's start this and make sure most of y'all have a vote on you(probably) (maybe) (who knows). Exceptin' those I'm not as familiar with as well (I'm not putting votes on new players Day 1 unless y'all claim to be wolves or something)
Vote: flat_footed
Vote: Illven
Vote: Lady Serpentine
Vote: Taffimai
Rogan is listed as a substitute? Is he in this game?
There a reason you're voting yourself, partner?
So, my normal thing is to make vote counts with all my posts. But doing that this game seems terrible, with being able to put down multiple votes but not knowing how many of them will end up counting. I think I'm gonna bow out of doing that this game, if y'all don't mind.Last edited by CaoimhinTheCape; 2023-06-08 at 03:16 PM.
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2023-06-06, 01:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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How exactly are you rearranging the player list for Serpentine to end up as number 14? At first I thought alphabetically, but then I remembered that Xihirli is playing. "I'm pretending to do a random roll when I'm really not" is wolfy, so
Illvenuntil explained.
Wolves don't win at parity with town. They win when all town are dead, or town cannot outvote them anymore and there are no night actions for town to regain the advantage. There is a [redacted] mechanic to redistribute the votes of the dead, and AV had to adjust people's starting votes due to two extra players joining. There's clearly a mathematical formula she's using for our voting powers. Presumably it's aimed at keeping the earliest time wolves can win after a certain game day and before another to keep things more or less fair for both sides.
Wolves may or may not know the [redacted] bit. But they're likely to figure it out faster than the rest of us since they know who they can trust to speak the truth. (*) Just for that reason, I wouldn't want to claim them openly, or at least not this early. Another is that if I have a strong townread on player A and leave them my votes, I want to know they aren't just going to get NKed for it - bc wolves will be gunning for the people with the most votes, obviously. A third is that it's possible that AV gave more or less voting power to people with more or less powerful roles and that info doesn't need to be out in the open (yet).
I'm giving Snow a slight scumlean for fishing.
(*) My personal assumption was that they'd get distributed among those responsible for the death - so equally among all voters for the elimination, and all onto the wolf who carries the kill at night.
If I squint I can read this as tmi that wolves don't currently have an accurate vote count, or a wolf ploy to lure us into thinking they don't (I'm talking about total votes in the game, not the distribution among the players). As town that's a dangerous option to overlook.Last edited by Taffimai; 2023-06-06 at 02:18 PM.
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2023-06-06, 02:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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Look at the time of my post and the time of vecna edit. Vecna edited the post approx 2 hours after I posted to include Ti being there. When I rolled, knowing there were 14 players, Ti wasn't on the list, I saw she was the missing player and decided that she was at the end of the list for the purpose of my roll.
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2023-06-06, 03:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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I'm here from an airport in Europe.
And I would like to announce I have 10 voting power so I will not be voting for obvious reasons as I'd prefer to allow democracy to prevail rather than give in to my authoritarian tendencies.
I also won't be doing reads yet because I just got off a 14 hour flight.
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2023-06-06, 06:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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Yeah, for those who missed it in the signup thread, I got here from the advertisement on Mafia Universe, so you can generally assume I know what I'm doing, been playing since 2010 and have probably a couple hundred FM games logged at this point. (Also used to do D&D but haven't played a regular game in about a decade or so)
Scum will ~always know when they can do this because the total number of votes is known (it's 52), so this is effectively a moot point.
I'll give town points for the imagination although this is probably untrue, lest we could solve the game simply by figuring out who has less vote power.
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re: the voting discussion, while I'm not going to demand people claim their full voting power, I do think it's important to have some manner of transparency when it comes to voting - between people having different voting power and the possibility of spreading votes around, this might lead to uncertainty about who is up for elimination at the end of the day which is basically always anti-town.
As such while I'd normally be all for RVS shenanigans and the like, I figure this game I'll hold on to my vote until I find a place I feel good about putting it.
I don't put much thought into snowblaze's opening, I can see a townie coming in with the mindset of wanting to be transparent but it can be imitated by scum at relatively low risk so basically null for me.
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Hm, why claim it at all then? Are you planning to not use your vote in any capacity on Day 1?
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The forum automatically appending my posts is actually really handy for my posting style.
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I see a lot of bluffs.
You see, I'm holding all the cards. And guess what? They're all full houses.
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2023-06-07, 12:05 AM (ISO 8601)
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I'll give you prior warning that me on MU is on average more opaque than me on GITP.
But I also promised to explain my actions "next game" so here we are at you lucking out.
I wanted to claim 10 votes to see how people would react to the rather large percentage I have while also seeing if wolves are tempted by the obvious bait."Trust bladescape, Shadow of Doubt,"
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2023-06-07, 12:47 AM (ISO 8601)
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Morning.
Do we actually have confirmation there are fifty-two votes? I know AV used it as a hypothetical in the OP, and it would be thematically appropriate, but that's not the same as AV outright stating it's true.
Also mild townlean on Taffimai.
Also also I am glad we have 72 hours.I'm writing stuff, come and read it!
Werewolf games won: 24
Werewolf games lost: 14
Games as town: 23.5
Games as neutral: 5.5
Games as wolf: 9
Games narrated: 1
Deaths: 17
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2023-06-07, 01:05 AM (ISO 8601)
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Y'see i was just about t' make the same ob-ser-va-tion myself; Doug Dimmadome did say 52 was all hypothetical-like, so while I wouldn't put it past her t' keep it all that way, decent probabilities we have somethin' way out.
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What in tarnation- is this bladescape NOT bein' all enigmatic-like??