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OOTS By Page Count
Welcome to the OOTS By Page Count project!
The purpose of this thread is rather simple: Document the progress of the current book of The Order of the Stick page by page, as well as compare it to already published books.
"Why do we need this though, Porthos?" I hear you ask. Well, strictly speaking, we don't. But as story arcs go on, people start asking "When do you think this book will end?" and "Well, X number of comics have passed, so I bet we're real close to the end soon," even though there is little correlation between the size of books and the number of comics posted.
Which brings us to the second reason for the existence of this thread: To let people know how many pages have been posted in the latest book, as opposed to the number of comics that have been posted. They may be the same for quite a while. But as time goes on, the numbers will diverge. And many people have said it was useful to know what is the current size of the latest book.
Plus it's fun to make comparisons to the current page count and the size of the latest book.
This project is a continuation of a similar project that arose to document the progress of Blood Runs in the Family, but this time in a dedicated thread that will (hopefully) last the run of the comic and not be tied to any particular book. The first post of this thread will be continuously updated with the latest page count as soon as I have the time to update it.
Please also use this thread for any speculations about the size of the current book and/or yet to be printed books, where chapter breaks might occur, or anything else that might go along that vein. Discussion helps drive interest in the thread, after all. And also feel free to post the current 'Basic Block' as comics go up, if no one else has.
However, to respect the wishes of The Giant (as well as the board rules) please Do Not speculate on how much a current or future book might cost or speculate on how the size of the book might help/harm Rich's business model. Rich as said time and time again that he doesn't want people speculating on such things, and I'd like this thread to stay open.
With that out of the way, here is the latest count as things currently stand.
(Abbreviation Key is provided after the last of the tables)
Basic Block
As of 1111
Book # of Online Strips # of Online Pages* Xtra Pages Total Book Pages DCF 121122.537.5160NCftPB 18019747244W&XP 18324246288DStP 18822646272BRitF 27432048368Book 6 165207??????
37 pages to go until Book 6 is equal to the size of No Cure for the Paladin Blues
Advanced Blocks
Compilation Books as of 1111 and Blood Runs in the Family
Book Online Strips Online Pages* Bonus Strips Chapters Commentary Pages** Other Xtras*** Total Pages DCF 121122.51858.56160NCftPB 1801971210169244W&XP 18324214815.58.5288DStP 18822617912.0837.917272BRitF 2743201610148368Book 6 165207???????????????
Print Only Books
Book Comic Pages Chapters Commentary** Other Xtras*** Total Pages OtOoPC 66n/a2472SoD 107n/a23112SS&DT 97.545.1755.325112
Other OOTS Comics Yet To Be Compiled (Kickstarter & Gygax Magazine)
PDF Comic Pages Cover Page Total Pages US 12113H&J 25126SA 16117HtPGHS 95196Gygax 6n/a6
ABBREVIATION KEY
SpoilerAbbv Full Name of Book/PDF/Magazine DCF Dungeon Crawlin' Fools NCftPB No Cure for the Paladin Blues W&XP War and XPs DStP Don't Split the Party BRitF Blood Runs in the Family OtOoPC On the Origins of PCs SoD Start of Darkness SS&DT Snips, Snails, and Dragon Tales US Uncivil Servant H&J Haleo & Julelan SA Spoiler Alert HtPGHS How the Paladin Got His Scar Gygax Gygax Magazine
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* A few Online Pages have been resized, reshuffled, and/or had very minor additions made to them. The "Online Page Count" will reflect how the Online Page best maps to a book regardless of any minor "book only" additional changes.
** Commentary includes the Author Commentaries, Forewords, Introductions, and 'In Character' Prefaces
*** Other Xtras includes, when applicable, the Recap Strips, Cast of Characters Pages, Character Drawings, Blank/Book Information Pages, Promos, Out of Continuity Bonuses, and Various Other Miscellanea.Last edited by Porthos; 2018-01-26 at 07:55 PM.
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Re: OOTS By Page Count
Book five is called "It Runs In The Family", if that helps you. IRITF?
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"Blood", not "It". And I put it in White Space in the OP because, technically Rich hasn't 'officially' announced it outside of his calendar. But I suppose I can take out the White Text and put it in normal like if people wish.
ETA: Got semi-ninjaed while I was posting. Well, my explanation is new at least.Last edited by Porthos; 2014-03-31 at 02:38 PM.
Concluded: The Stick Awards II: Second Edition
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Sure, and I'll repost that there's good reason to expect a length divisible by 16.
Link.
Note that this doesn't apply to some Print On Demand tech, but does apply to most traditional publishers.
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Re: OOTS By Page Count
Glad to see the table from the other thread in it's own thread. Anyways, I'm guessing book 6 will be larger than DstP, but smaller than BRitF.
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Re: OOTS By Page Count
For quite a while now, I've been thinking about expanding the focus of this little count we've been doing. That is, break down the "Xtras" into various categories like the number of bonus strips, pages devoted to commentary, chapter splash pages and the like. I've long had this information stored on my home computer, but I've never gotten around to assembling it into something nicer for presentation here. Well tonight I had some down time, so I decided to finally create something that shows some more information about how the various books are structured. It doesn't contain all of the breakdowns, as it would just get too cluttered. But it shows the most important ones, IMO.
At the same time, I found out that posters have discovered how to expand the functionality of coloring within our new tables. So I spent some more time playing around with some colors to find something that I liked. Or at least could tolerate until I find something better.
Finally, because the completist bug bit me in full force tonight, I also decided to add the information about the two Kickstarter releases that are presently released. However, I decided to put that behind spoiler bars since it has only been released to a limited audience. If or when some/all of them are collected into a book (nicknamed "Book K" at the moment) I'll probably delete that stat block and throw it into the advanced, depending on just how many of them are in fact collected.
If people feel like updating this thread when a new comic is up, don't worry about updating the "Advanced Blocks" if you don't want to. The "Basic Block" is all that really needs attention in the short term. The Advanced Blocks are more of a static project that only really needs to be updated when a new book comes out, or when a Kickstarter PDF is released.
So with that, I give you what I call the "Advanced Blocks", which has already been edited into the OP. I have also altered the (what is now called) Basic Bloc to fit to the same pattern of colors.
Advanced Blocks
Compilation Books as of 947
Book Online Strips Online Pages Bonus Strips Chapters Commentary Pages* Other Xtras** Total Pages DCF 121122.51858.56160NCftPB 1801971210169244W&XP 18324214815.58.5288DStP 18822617912.0837.917272BRitF 274318.75???????????????Book 6 12???????????????
Print Only Books
Book Comic Pages Chapters Commentary* Other Xtras** Total Pages OtOoPC 66n/a2472SoD 107n/a23112SS&DT 97.545.1755.325112
Kickstarter Release Information (Spoilered)
SpoilerPDF Comic Pages Cover Page Total Pages US 12113H&J 25126
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* Commentary includes the Author Commentaries, Forewards, Introductions, and 'In Character' Prefaces
** Other Xtras includes, when applicable, the Recap Strips, Cast of Characters Pages, Character Drawings, Blank/Book Information Pages, Promos, and Various Other Miscellanea.
Also, the acronym for Book Five has been been White Spaced for Spoilerphobes. Highlight the white space in the slot for Book Five to see it.Last edited by Porthos; 2014-04-04 at 02:52 PM.
Concluded: The Stick Awards II: Second Edition
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Interesting new bits of information. I find it interesting that Book 2 has 10 chapters while Book 3 has only 8. Also, it looks like the number of bonus strips stays roughly the same, regardless of size (except in Book 1).
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Re: OOTS By Page Count
As of 948
Book # of Online Strips # of Online Pages Xtra Pages Total Book Pages DCF 121122.537.5160NCftPB 18019747244W&XP 18324246288DStP 18822646272BRitF 274318.75??????Book 6 24??????
68 pages to go until Book 6 is equal to the size of On the Origins of PCs.
NOTE: The acronym for Book Five has been been White Spaced for Spoilerphobes. Highlight the white space in the slot for Book Five to see it.Last edited by Porthos; 2014-04-07 at 12:31 PM.
Concluded: The Stick Awards II: Second Edition
Ongoing: OOTS by Page Count
Coming Soon: OOTS by Final Post Count II: The Post Counts Always Chart Twice
Coming Later: The Stick Awards III: The Search for More Votes
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Re: OOTS By Page Count
As of 949
Book # of Online Strips # of Online Pages Xtra Pages Total Book Pages DCF 121122.537.5160NCftPB 18019747244W&XP 18324246288DStP 18822646272BRitF 274318.75??????Book 6 35??????
67 pages to go until Book 6 is equal to the size of On the Origins of PCs.
NOTE: The acronym for Book Five has been been White Spaced for Spoilerphobes. Highlight the white space in the slot for Book Five to see it.Concluded: The Stick Awards II: Second Edition
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Coming Soon: OOTS by Final Post Count II: The Post Counts Always Chart Twice
Coming Later: The Stick Awards III: The Search for More Votes
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Re: OOTS By Page Count
So far, book 6 has the highest value of online pages/online strips (5/3).
The runner up is WaXP, followed by DstP, BRiF, NCfPB, and finally DCF.
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Re: OOTS By Page Count
As of 950
Book # of Online Strips # of Online Pages Xtra Pages Total Book Pages DCF 121122.537.5160NCftPB 18019747244W&XP 18324246288DStP 18822646272BRitF 274318.75??????Book 6 46??????
66 pages to go until Book 6 is equal to the size of On the Origins of PCs.
NOTE: The acronym for Book Five has been been White Spaced for Spoilerphobes. Highlight the white space in the slot for Book Five to see it.Concluded: The Stick Awards II: Second Edition
Ongoing: OOTS by Page Count
Coming Soon: OOTS by Final Post Count II: The Post Counts Always Chart Twice
Coming Later: The Stick Awards III: The Search for More Votes
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I've been online since 1987, and in that time I've discovered that some people have might peculiar defintions of what is and isn't a spoiler. So for now...
Pretty much this. I may decide sometime along the way "the hell with it" and just strip out the white text and be done with it.Concluded: The Stick Awards II: Second Edition
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Re: OOTS By Page Count
As of 951
Book # of Online Strips # of Online Pages Xtra Pages Total Book Pages DCF 121122.537.5160NCftPB 18019747244W&XP 18324246288DStP 18822646272BRitF 274318.75??????Book 6 57??????
65 pages to go until Book 6 is equal to the size of On the Origins of PCs.
NOTE: The acronym for Book Five has been been White Spaced for Spoilerphobes. Highlight the white space in the slot for Book Five to see it.Concluded: The Stick Awards II: Second Edition
Ongoing: OOTS by Page Count
Coming Soon: OOTS by Final Post Count II: The Post Counts Always Chart Twice
Coming Later: The Stick Awards III: The Search for More Votes
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As of 952
Book # of Online Strips # of Online Pages Xtra Pages Total Book Pages DCF 121122.537.5160NCftPB 18019747244W&XP 18324246288DStP 18822646272BRitF 274318.75??????Book 6 68??????
64 pages to go until Book 6 is equal to the size of On the Origins of PCs.
NOTE: The acronym for Book Five has been been White Spaced for Spoilerphobes. Highlight the white space in the slot for Book Five to see it.Concluded: The Stick Awards II: Second Edition
Ongoing: OOTS by Page Count
Coming Soon: OOTS by Final Post Count II: The Post Counts Always Chart Twice
Coming Later: The Stick Awards III: The Search for More Votes
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Basic Block
As of 953
Book # of Online Strips # of Online Pages Xtra Pages Total Book Pages DCF 121122.537.5160NCftPB 18019747244W&XP 18324246288DStP 18822646272BRitF 274318.75??????Book 6 79??????
63 pages to go until Book 6 is equal to the size of On the Origins of PCs.
NOTE: The acronym for Book Five has been been White Spaced for Spoilerphobes. Highlight the white space in the slot for Book Five to see it.Concluded: The Stick Awards II: Second Edition
Ongoing: OOTS by Page Count
Coming Soon: OOTS by Final Post Count II: The Post Counts Always Chart Twice
Coming Later: The Stick Awards III: The Search for More Votes
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As of 954
Book # of Online Strips # of Online Pages Xtra Pages Total Book Pages DCF 121122.537.5160NCftPB 18019747244W&XP 18324246288DStP 18822646272BRitF 274318.75??????Book 6 810??????
62 pages to go until Book 6 is equal to the size of On the Origins of PCs.
NOTE: The acronym for Book Five has been been White Spaced for Spoilerphobes. Highlight the white space in the slot for Book Five to see it.Concluded: The Stick Awards II: Second Edition
Ongoing: OOTS by Page Count
Coming Soon: OOTS by Final Post Count II: The Post Counts Always Chart Twice
Coming Later: The Stick Awards III: The Search for More Votes
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How long are you waiting before declaring BRiF to no longer be a spoiler? Until it is mentioned in one of the website's announcements? Until the book is actually available? An arbitrary time period?
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All things being equal, website announcement. But if I get sick and tired of spoilerizing it elsewhere or if I see it enough in other places/discussions, I may just decide to throw up my virtual hands and just go ahead and stop whitespacing it.
IOW, basically what the Wisdom of Crowds decides.Concluded: The Stick Awards II: Second Edition
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As of 955
Book # of Online Strips # of Online Pages Xtra Pages Total Book Pages DCF 121122.537.5160NCftPB 18019747244W&XP 18324246288DStP 18822646272BRitF 274318.75??????Book 6 911??????
61 pages to go until Book 6 is equal to the size of On the Origins of PCs.
NOTE: The acronym for Book Five has been been White Spaced for Spoilerphobes. Highlight the white space in the slot for Book Five to see it.Last edited by Porthos; 2014-06-12 at 02:00 PM.
Concluded: The Stick Awards II: Second Edition
Ongoing: OOTS by Page Count
Coming Soon: OOTS by Final Post Count II: The Post Counts Always Chart Twice
Coming Later: The Stick Awards III: The Search for More Votes
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As of 956
Book # of Online Strips # of Online Pages Xtra Pages Total Book Pages DCF 121122.537.5160NCftPB 18019747244W&XP 18324246288DStP 18822646272BRitF 274318.75??????Book 6 1012??????
60 pages to go until Book 6 is equal to the size of On the Origins of PCs.
NOTE: The acronym for Book Five has been been White Spaced for Spoilerphobes. Highlight the white space in the slot for Book Five to see it.Concluded: The Stick Awards II: Second Edition
Ongoing: OOTS by Page Count
Coming Soon: OOTS by Final Post Count II: The Post Counts Always Chart Twice
Coming Later: The Stick Awards III: The Search for More Votes
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As of 957
Book # of Online Strips # of Online Pages Xtra Pages Total Book Pages DCF 121122.537.5160NCftPB 18019747244W&XP 18324246288DStP 18822646272BRitF 274318.75??????Book 6 1113??????
59 pages to go until Book 6 is equal to the size of On the Origins of PCs.
NOTE: The acronym for Book Five has been been White Spaced for Spoilerphobes. Highlight the white space in the slot for Book Five to see it.
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I think we might be at our first potential chapter break here. Feels as good as time as any for a break in narrative. Either a forward shift in time, or a scene shift to other characters.Last edited by Porthos; 2014-07-04 at 09:41 PM.
Concluded: The Stick Awards II: Second Edition
Ongoing: OOTS by Page Count
Coming Soon: OOTS by Final Post Count II: The Post Counts Always Chart Twice
Coming Later: The Stick Awards III: The Search for More Votes
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A dangling Belkar might be a cliffhanger - but I don't see why a chapter break is appropriate here. I don't really know what events will come next, but a natural point would imo be the arrival at Tinkertown (which I think will take some time).
Have you fought of potential round breakups for Book 5? I have done so myself, and I have a hard time to break them in small chunks. I would probably do something like this:
- (673-698) Desert shenanigans
- (699-709) Team Evil
- (710-774) Empire of Blood
- (775-822) Arena
- (823-833) Team Evil
- (834-898) Girard's pyramid
- (899-936) Advanced Escaping
- (937-946) Epilogue
ups, seems that I hit post reply instead of preview :/
Anyway I wanted to add some thoughts to it: I think the Team Evil/Epilogue splits are pretty easy. But I have a real hard time to split the other parts. I really think they are too long (though The Battle of Azure City was pretty long, too), but I just can't find a spot I'm really satisfied with.Last edited by ChristianSt; 2014-07-05 at 05:53 AM.
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