LGBTAI+ LGBTAitp 34: <3!! [Archive] - Giant in the Playground Forums

KenderWizard

2013-04-19, 03:49 PM

Hello, everyone, and welcome to the thirty fourth beautiful installment of the thread for the discussion, celebration and support of of everyone who isn't quite heterocisnormative.

Please note that although the title of the thread names only the Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, and Asexual communities, it is intended as an all inclusive environment. Everyone is welcome. L, G, B,T, A, Q, I, A, N, V, P, R, Q, Ω, ♅, everyone. As long as they behave themselves.

If you have a question or two about LGBTA+, you can ask it here! You can ask for advice and support in here.

In addition, many members are willing to give private advice one on one, either through email or PM. The best way to do this is asking for PM help in thread, or else to PM one of the following people:

Name: Especially familiar with the topic(s) of
KenderWizard: General/basics, gender and feminism, bisexuality
Musashi: General/basics, asexuality/demisexuality, depression
noparlpf: General/basics, asexuality, greysexuality, biology
Lea Plath: Genderfluidity
Lycunadari: Genderqueer and agendered
Eldest: General/basics, bisexuality
Karen Lynn: General/basics, pansexuality, polyamory
HMS Sophia: Trans stuff (esp hormones)
Lix Lorn: General/basics
Tanail: Trans stuff (esp emotional issues)
Absol197: Gender identity issues
Warkitty: Academic/technical discussions
Lentrax: General/basics, depression, bullying
Asta Kask: Biochemistry/neurobiology
Wormwood74: Transgender legal issues, transgender outside contacts
Astrella: GSRM rights, feminism, trans stuff
Asteron Questar: Relationships, depression

Some people are also willing to talk off-board, through Skype or email or other means, this is especially useful if your question involves board-forbidden topics such as religion or politics. Also, we can't (and ethically shouldn't!) give medical advice. If you need medical advice, please see a professional!

Here are the rules of this thread!

Everyone is welcome. Let's try to keep from seeming otherwise.
Keep this topic free of politics and religion. (so, don't violate the board rules, plz)
It's beyond the scope of this thread to discuss whether LGBT is "Right." (And really, most discussions probably should avoid moralizing too much anyway)
Please refrain from posting sexually explicit content. (Keep it friendly as well as board safe :smallsmile:)

Here are the links for the previous threads, where much of use or interest may be found:
LGBT people in the playground (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=62225)

LGBT people in the playground - part II (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86066)

LGBTitp - part III (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5663140#post5663140)

LGBTitp 4: We are a family? (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=129235)

LGBTitp - Part Five (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=143424)

LGBTitp - Part Six (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=147832)

LGBTitp - Part Seven (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=157312)

LGBTitp - Part Eight (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=167395)

LGBTitp - Part Nine (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=172747)

LGBTAitp - Part Ten (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=177253)

LGBTAitp - Part Eleven (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=181683)

LGBTAitp - Part Twelve (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=10335967#)

LGBTAitp - Part Thirteen (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=192714)

LGBTAitp - Part Fourteen (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=200329)

LGBTAitp - Part Fifteen (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=207987)

LGBTAitp - Part Sixteen (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=11820872#)

LGBTAitp - Part Seventeen (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=219966)

LGBTAitp - Part Eighteen! (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=223792)

LGBTAitp - Part Nineteen (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=227182)

LGBTAitp - Part Twenty - Critical Hit! (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=12613347)

LGBTAitp - Part Twenty-One - BLACKJACK! (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=233833)

LGBTAitP Part 22: The Best There Is (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=236828)

LGBTAitP Part 23: Et tu, ~Bianca? (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=239610)

LGBTAitP: Alphabet Soup-with 24 different Vitamins! (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=13243754)

LGBTAitP part 25: Doing Away With Subtitles (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=249030)

LGBTAitP 26: No Time For Snappy Titles (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=253352)

LGBTAitP 27: Of Shoes, and Ships, and Sealing Wax (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=256951)

LGBTAitP #28: Come Taste the Rainbow! (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=14110484#post14110484)

LGBTAitP #29: The Rainbow Outreach Program (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=262926)

LGBTAitP 30: Free Cuddles (Enquire Within) (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=267638)

LGBTAitP #31: Cuddles Are On Back Order. Have Some Snuggles! (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=272099)

LGBTAitp #32: The Great Plushie Invasion! (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=275839)

LGBTAitp #34: The Thread at the End of the Rainbow! (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=278799)

And, for reference, here is the Thousand&Wordster Dictionary of Commonly Used LGBTAitp Words and Phrases

Lagerbeta: A fine brewski to be drunk by queers and allies.
LGBT: Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Trans*
Trans*: Transsexual and Transgender
LGBTA: LGBT+Asexual/Allies
QUILTBAG: Q - Queer and Questioning
U - Unidentified
I - Intersex
L - Lesbian
T - Transgender, Transexual
B - Bisexual
A - Asexual
G - Gay, Genderqueer
Allies: Straight people that support equality for sexuality and gender minorities.
MtF: Male-to-Female: A woman born with male nibblies, who may or may not be seeking HRT and/or SRS. (AKA: trans woman)
FtM: Female-to-Male: A man born with female nibblies, who may or may not be seeking HRT and/or SRS. (AKA: trans man)
GQ: Genderqueer.
CS: Cis-sexual: sex and gender match (a male with male nibblies, a female with female nibblies.
TS: Transsexual: Sex and gender disparity.
HRT: Hormone replacement therapy. MtF's take more progestrogens and oestrogens and FtM's take more testosterone (I think?)
SRS: Sex Reassignment Surgery: Surgery to replace/transform a vagina into a penis, or vice versa depending on direction. Mastectomies or plastic surgery may be used on breasts.
FFS: Facial Feminization Surgery: Plastic surgery to reduce chin/nose/cheekbones. not very common.
AFAB/AMAB: Assigned Female/Male at Birth
FAAB/MAAB: Female/Male Assigned at Birth.

Man: A cisman or transman. Male.
Woman: A ciswoman or transwoman. Female.
Androgyne: Gender Identity with male and female aspects.
Genderfluid: Someone who fluctuates between male and female.
Agendered: Someone who feels neither male nor female.
Third-gendered: Someone who fits in a local society's third gender, usually male performing female tasks, occasionally vice versa.
Masculine: Something generally associated with men.
Feminine: Something generally associated with women.

Lesbian: A woman who is attracted to women.
Gay: A man who is attracted to men.
Homosexual: A person who is attracted to members of their gender.
Heterosexual: A person who is attracted to members of the opposite gender.
Bisexual: A person who is attracted to two genders (usually men and women, sometimes transgender instead of one of those).
Pansexual: A person who is attracted to people regardless of gender.
Asexual: A person who does not feel any/some sexual attraction.
Demisexual: A person who is sexually attracted to someone(s) they have formed an intense emotional relationship with.
Polyamorous: A person who is interested in a relationship with more than one person.
Radosexual: A person who is only attracted to rad people.
Pomosexual: A person who avoids SO labels.

Sexual Orientation: How one identifies who they are attracted to. (SO)
Gender Identity: How one feels inside society's idea of "man, woman, or other". (GI)
Gender Expression: How one expresses their GI to society. (GE)
Significant Other(s): Person you are in a relationship with. (SO)

Zorg

2013-04-19, 03:58 PM

Some news to open with: the Boy Scouts of America is putting forward a proposal to be voted on that would, "If approved, ... mean that 'no youth may be denied membership in the Boy Scouts of America on the basis of sexual orientation or preference alone.' The BSA will maintain the current membership policy for all adults," (Boy Scouts public relations director Deron Smith said).
Source & more info (http://edition.cnn.com/2013/04/19/us/boy-scouts-sexual-orientation/index.html?hpt=hp_t3).

Obviously not as far reaching as it should be as a gay member would be kicked out when they stop being a scout and (would otherwise) become a leader, and it's just a proposal, but given how staunchly they were defending their right to exclude it's a sign of progress if nothing else.

Heliomance

2013-04-19, 04:23 PM

Viera Champion

2013-04-19, 04:25 PM

Day of Silence is done with. I'm not good at being quiet, but I managed.

Eldest

2013-04-19, 04:26 PM

Well, that was really rude. And jerkish. And stupid. And...
I could keep up the litany of descriptive words for a while, but you get the idea.

And Kender, there's an extra [/quote] at the end of that.

Arachu

2013-04-19, 04:31 PM

The Succubus

2013-04-19, 04:36 PM

Dudebot2000

2013-04-19, 05:08 PM

Mrr. Earlier, I had a rather unpleasant experience. I was walking down the street (en femme, as I m full time these days) when I passed a group of girls. Suddenly, there came a cry of "It's a man! Hey, it's a man! Let's see your d***!"

:smallmad:
Look at it this way. You needed to pass them closely for them to notice. Just think how many more haven't noticed that day.

KenderWizard

2013-04-19, 05:41 PM

@Zorg: Yeah, I saw something about that. Well, baby steps are still steps!

Mrr. Earlier, I had a rather unpleasant experience. I was walking down the street (en femme, as I m full time these days) when I passed a group of girls. Suddenly, there came a cry of "It's a man! Hey, it's a man! Let's see your d***!"

:smallmad:

:smallannoyed: What the hell is wrong with some people?

And Kender, there's an extra at the end of that.[/QUOTE]

Oops, thank you!

Lorsa

2013-04-19, 05:55 PM

Mrr. Earlier, I had a rather unpleasant experience. I was walking down the street (en femme, as I m full time these days) when I passed a group of girls. Suddenly, there came a cry of "It's a man! Hey, it's a man! Let's see your d***!"

:smallmad:

I'm sorry. Some people don't know what they're talking about. Also, it's kind of disturbing.

Can I offer some hugs?

SiuiS

2013-04-19, 06:19 PM

Aaaaand all the stuff from last thread, gone. Copy/paste function I want to light you on fire right now.

Mrr. Earlier, I had a rather unpleasant experience. I was walking down the street (en femme, as I m full time these days) when I passed a group of girls. Suddenly, there came a cry of "It's a man! Hey, it's a man! Let's see your d***!"

:smallmad:

Wow. People can be terrible at times. I wonder what coul possibly prompt people to scream "flash me" and think its okay? If they were a gaggle of guys and asked you to flash your boobs you could get them in trouble with the law, yes?

Day of Silence is done with. I'm not good at being quiet, but I managed.

Blargle. I work retail, and could not avail the situation.

Dudebot2000

2013-04-19, 06:30 PM

What was the Day of Silence?

turkishproverb

2013-04-19, 06:34 PM

So, if a series ends with all female regulars paired off with someone else or dead, and the two male leads who already have massive ho-yay living alone together in a space with only one bed, and a cat, where is that on the (Possibly unintentional) subtext-o-meter?

What was the Day of Silence?

http://www.dayofsilence.org/ (
What was the Day of Silence? http://www.dayofsilence.org/)

There you go

Dudebot2000

2013-04-19, 06:56 PM

Sounds like a great way to finally ..speak up on LGBT-issues.

I'm wondering something about LGBT. Am I the only one who thinks that's the worst name ever for a movement? I mean, try speaking it out loud, it has no vowels. No wonder I know of it only because of internet discussions and flyers in the canteen.
Perhabs english speaking people have fewer problems with that word. Don't know. Sounds awkward to me, especially with the other additions, like Q, A and plus.

Kindablue

2013-04-19, 07:07 PM

Think FBI, not NASA.

SiuiS

2013-04-19, 07:11 PM

Think FBI, not NASA.

Nice one Bloo~ XD

But yes. We say "Ell-Gee-Bee-Tee-Cue-Ei" not... L'guhbutkuh or something.
Personally, I don't think I have ever mentioned LGBTA except in reference to this thread. There's usually a better contextual version such as queer, trans, gay, gay rights, etc.

Alright. *dons old, battered armor*

the question is why. Why has chivalry gotten a bad rep? Why is chivalry impopular?Why do we as a society think that chivalry is a bad thing?

No, the question is why do you keep phrasing questions like the world is out to punish you? that's what I meant by you sound entitled, like you're mad you're not getting the rewards for a certain form of behavior.

Chivalry is not unpopular, otherwise it wouldn't have the social traction necessary to still exist.

Chivalry does not have a bad reputation. Men who lean on chivalry to excuse their behaviors do have a bad rep. they may all themselves chivalrous but they aren't. The bad rep belongs solely to jack asses.

Corollary: some people are just terrible people. Some people just want to bring others down. This has nothing to do with your traits, and everything to do with theirs. See people ranting about "Feminazis" despite there being so few who for the bill. It's easy to dismiss someone for a buzzword. Ignore that.
I had a guy get upset I didn't stop the bus for him... After he remained silent when I asked if he wanted to catch this bus. He called me a slur of names, raised his hand at me, threatened my life, because he's a cantankerous homeless jerk who blames the world for his faults. He called me a [n-word]. That doesn't mean suddenly the world is against African folk. Someone gets upset you open a door, calls you chivalrous as a pejorative. That doesn't mean people are against chivalry.

And "We as a society" is far too broad to make such declarative statements. Sub societies exist, and each continent seems to have several of it own societal pools. Society at that level has very few common denominators; they don't want to die, do want to procreate, and don't want to suffer. That's about it, and even that is glossing over a lot of quibbles.

Have we, as a society, beocme so paranoid and insecure about ourselves that we don't trust chivalrous people into meaning well without considering the possibility of insults first?

You presume that insults were the first consideration.

The honest truth is people use service as a form of power. You are throwing an action or series of actions that you admit are rooted in sexism an based on courting behavior at people who probably have their own baggage, and expecting their personal takes not to matter because you were just 'being chivalrous', how dare they not respond the way you expect them to? There's a lot here, and most of it is that chivalry as presented exists as a form of expectation, almost codified privilege use.

I dont have many female friends or associates so my opinion is compete bollox probably. But based off what i think is a very vocal minority that some (read: a few loud ones) want to be treated as social equals but still want to be taken care of. Or have their cake and eat it too.

There is that, yes.

Also, if its based on the subject matter, shouldnt it be "Sorry Mario, but Princess didn't need you.

I love this idea~!

Come to think of it , i think I instinctively hesitate to going out of the way to help men physically (such as opening doors) because I'm afraid they will feel "taken care of" and not like it.

I've never got anything bad for holding open a door for a lady though. * Buuuut....I dont go outside often and also I live in Texas.

That makes sense. You should always consider the person before doing Something. You can get a lot out of body language and such.

I'm really touchy feely, but I don't really bother with a lot of my guy friends because it makes them out of sorts (or creeps me out on occasion).

As to the example; do note what words you used for the two traits. A man is expected to be gallant, but women want to be treated as independent.

Exactly! Thanks Keveak.

It's an objective presentation of a distinctly subjective viewpoint. Taking self opinion as fact and projecting it. Good to have a framework for that phenomenon.

Regardless, it's strange that the actions of the man are presented from the man's perspective, and the actions of the woman are... Guessed at from the man's perspective.

On an unrelated and sad note, I fell over this story (http://projectiscariot.tumblr.com/post/48159883435/i-am-homeless-and-i-need-help). I do not know the person asking for help, but it sounds like as miserable situation and I was hoping to ask if anyone knows a way to help people who have been thrown out from home in California. ;_;

Sadness. I cannot help, as I have no money, no room... Which sucks as this sort of hospitality has always been a goal of mine for when I was an adult.

Damn you, fiscal responsibility and crushing weight of socioeconomics!

-Looks up.-

Okay, seriously, you're frowning on the entire concept of chivalry and the existence of the word gallant? Now that's just... ridiculous. Exceedingly. :smallannoyed:

No. I, personally, am frowning on people who use 'chivalrous' as a justification for acting in the letter of a thing and not the spirit and expect recompense. The demonstration of Gallant was merely an example to illustrate that point.

I think the idealogical concept of chivalry should apply to anyone in a position of power, retroengineered or no. Gender is irrelevant; if your position gives you authority over someone else, stick to it. Or at least the parts that have aged well (so... skipping the bits about never retreating, religion, and nationalism). Don't lie, be generous, protect the weak--whomsoever that may be--and do good rather than evil. That's hardly something to whine about. :smallsigh:

That's a nice thing, indeed.
But that is not chivalry.

Wikipedia defines the ancient code of chivalry as:

The code can be summarized in ten "commandments":

Believe the Church's teachings and observe all the Church's directions.

Defend the Church.

Respect and defend all weaknesses.

Love your country.

Do not recoil before an enemy.

A single coward could discourage an entire army. Even if the knights knew death was near, they would rather die fighting than show weakness.

Show no mercy to the Infidel. Do not hesitate to make war with them.

Perform all duties that agree with the laws of God.

Never lie or go back on one's word.

Be generous to everyone.

Always and everywhere be right and good against evil and injustice.

There is nothing in that code that says anything about women. It does say quite a few things about religion though. I think much of present day gender-based behavior codes are based much later in history; the victorian era decorum and early 20th century. An era that was highly sexist.

Chivalry is one of those things that were codified after the fact to make younger generations fall in line, much like bushido. "The crusaders were chivalrous! You should be like them, and not such a prat!" and all.

Chivalry is also part and parcel of courtly behavior, including courtly love. Further, the permutations need to be taken into account. Chivalry is (part of) an equation, and it is disingenuous to point at 2+2 and say it has nothing to do with 4, only with 2s.

Now paying for people is a generous thing and it should be encouraged.

It is also a complex social cue caught up in multicultural baggage, and economic baggage. For some people, paying for them is an insult. For others, it's 'merely' rude. For others, it's whatever. For some, it's a competition – see who can get to the check first. For others, it's a burden.

When your 'generosity' looks an awful lot like being smug and rubbing your money in my face and buying me something so I'll owe you later, then it's not generous. It's manipulative. And yes, I've both dealt with those kinds of people, and thought I was when I wasn't. Luckily I am able to talk through these sorts of things...

I suspect what they mean is gentlemanly behavior. From Wikihow. (http://www.wikihow.com/Behave-Like-a-Contemporary-Gentleman)

15 However, do not fake this! Women can always tell if you are secretly a sleazy slimeball hiding behind the appearance of a gentlemen. If all else fails, simply remember this - being gentlemanly is about being courteous and respectful.

And there we are!

Re: Chivalry, et al:

My understanding is that it's linked with the virgin-whore dichotomy and the sort of hypocrisy of thinking that terms it worse to have consensual sex with a virgin than to rape a "slut." *There's also historical issues with basically no one ever actually living up to it and the problems that are encountered when people behave in a moral framework not because it is the right thing to do but because it is the socially obligated/proper/correct thing to do.

My POV is less that it's societally condemned but that as a society we have a rather "schizophrenic" view of chivalry, more properly a fragmented view with a general lack of consensus except for within certain sub-sections of the general populace. *Though, I must admit, it is the misapplication/entitlement/missing the point and claiming chivalry that is more railed against than people actually being orthopraxic. *Which could lead into an entire discussion of culture and the competing emphasis between right-thinking and right-action, but it'd be almost impossible to avoid going into some morass or another, sadly. *Fascinating concepts though, so I'd recommend boning up on it if it's new ground to you. :smallsmile:

Yes. All sound.

My phone doesn't think orthopraxic is a word.

Well, some people think they're interrelated or synonymous. *Also, you're not allowed to be a nice guy, because of "nice guys." :smalltongue:

Poor phrasing. Don't be a Nice Guy. Be nice. If you happen to also be a guy, I'm so sorry, but don't let that hold you back! Chin up! :smalltongue:

Personally? I like the Old code as presented in dragonheart.

"A knight is sworn to Valor
*His word speaks only Truth
*His heart knows only Virtue
*His blade defends the Helpless
*His might upholds the Weak
*His wrath undoes the Wicked"

That guy right there? Be that guy. No one will be able to seriously hassle you for chivalry ever.

Also my favorite rendition of the Paladin Code. And just general excellent advice.

turkishproverb

2013-04-19, 07:31 PM

Nice one Bloo~ XD

But yes. We say "Ell-Gee-Bee-Tee-Cue-Ei" not... L'guhbutkuh or something.
Personally, I don't think I have ever mentioned LGBTA except in reference to this thread. There's usually a better contextual version such as queer, trans, gay, gay rights, etc.

On the other hand, the pronunciation "Lagerbeta" is awesome and suggests a new alcohol type.

Kindablue

2013-04-19, 07:42 PM

Corollary: some people are just terrible people.
Represent.

Eirala

2013-04-19, 07:57 PM

That's neat! I'll be spending a lot of time in Upper Franconia from October on, but if you like give me a heads-up when you need help unpacking or just company. There's at least one other playgrounder nearby.

That would be me :smallbiggrin:
I'll be around until october, after that i'm (hopefully) in Munich. If i get my bachelor this semester, which is not yet absolutely sure.
So yeah, if you need help just let us know ^^

Worira

2013-04-19, 08:11 PM

I'm pretty sure 34 >3, actually.

PairO'Dice Lost

2013-04-19, 08:54 PM

I'm pretty sure 34 >3, actually.

Agreed. I move that we edit the thread title to add an extra exclamation mark, because then if you interpret that as a factorial you have 3!! = 6! = 720 and indeed 34 < 720. :smallbiggrin:

monkyman640

2013-04-19, 10:12 PM

Agreed. I move that we edit the thread title to add an extra exclamation mark, because then if you interpret that as a factorial you have 3!! = 6! = 720 and indeed 34 < 720. :smallbiggrin:

Seconded :smallbiggrin:

Mrr. Earlier, I had a rather unpleasant experience. I was walking down the street (en femme, as I m full time these days) when I passed a group of girls. Suddenly, there came a cry of "It's a man! Hey, it's a man! Let's see your d***!"

:smallmad:

Oh my god :smallfurious:

WarKitty

2013-04-19, 10:52 PM

Oooh new thread!

*booby traps entire thread with cookie traps*

Also, I'd volunteer myself for the question-answering group, especially for the more academic/technical side of things.

...

*prepares extra special plate of cookies for heliomance*

TaiLiu

2013-04-19, 11:53 PM

Oh my god :smallfurious:
Agreed. :smallyuk:

*booby traps entire thread with cookie traps*
Now I'll never go hungry again! Thanks, comrade!

Coidzor

2013-04-20, 01:09 AM

So, if a series ends with all female regulars paired off with someone else or dead, and the two male leads who already have massive ho-yay living alone together in a space with only one bed, and a cat, where is that on the (Possibly unintentional) subtext-o-meter?

:smallconfused: They're so very clearly gay that I can't think of something that isn't a stereotype to convey the level of camp that must be?

So basically the only way it could have been more overt was if it were stated directly. And that it was so clear without them stating it overtly is kind of weird. Unless they're like, brothers in a bunk-bed context or something, since age and such can have some influence on the variables, but... really...

Yes. All sound.

My phone doesn't think orthopraxic is a word.

Your phone is probably right. I'm never quite clear on the conjugation of obscure words that I hardly ever use. Basically just throwaway doggerel like saying orthodoxical instead of orthodox. Orthodoxy vs. orthopraxy so I probably should have just had orthoprax. But that feels weird so I added something on without thinking.

Poor phrasing. Don't be a Nice Guy. Be nice. If you happen to also be a guy, I'm so sorry, but don't let that hold you back! Chin up! :smalltongue:

Curses, you're taking away my most convenient excuse for not being a good person. :smalltongue:

Personally? I like the Old code as presented in dragonheart.

"A knight is sworn to Valor
*His word speaks only Truth
*His heart knows only Virtue
*His blade defends the Helpless
*His might upholds the Weak
*His wrath undoes the Wicked"

That guy right there? Be that guy. No one will be able to seriously hassle you for chivalry ever.

Also my favorite rendition of the Paladin Code. And just general excellent advice.

Huh. I'd forgotten about that. I should rewatch that sometime.

SiuiS:
Wow. People can be terrible at times. I wonder what coul possibly prompt people to scream "flash me" and think its okay?

Honestly I can't tell if they were asking for that, spouting offensive gibberish, or propositioning. Language. And I'm supposedly a native speaker. :smalleek::smallconfused:

Heliomance: :smallfrown: That's rotten.

Lentrax

2013-04-20, 02:35 AM

Aye, the dragonheart oath is great, and truly are good words to live by. But so are these.

“Be without fear in the face of your enemies.
Be brave and upright that God may love thee.
Speak the truth always, even if it leads to your death.
Safeguard the helpless and do no wrong – that is your oath.”

Helio. I am sorry people can be jerks. *hugs*

Edit: according to my ipad Dragonheart is not a word. Silly autocorrect.

Edit 2: you can also add me to the list of folks who can help, Kender. Please list me as depression, bullying, and general advice please?

Mynxae

2013-04-20, 03:13 AM

Chess435

2013-04-20, 03:21 AM

I try flirting with guys, coming onto guys and whatnot, but I keep thinking of Cody. I kind of want to move on but don't at the same time. Heck, I even had a dream last night about a cute guy I met at a pub (completely fictional, never been in a pub) and we ended up going home together and cuddling and then I woke up crying and feeling empty. I don't even know... :smallfrown:

:redface::smallfrown: I just want you to be happy, regardless of whoever it's with. Seriously, don't be sad. Find someone else to help you get over me, someone who can be there to snuggle and hold you.

Edit: Great, I tried talking to him on Skype to cheer him up and I think I just made him feel worse. :smallfrown:

SiuiS

2013-04-20, 03:22 AM

Coidzor: the possibility did run through my head, but... Well, I don't want to go down that road. That road leads to headbutting things. And I have a horn, so that's either murder, or if they survive it's a lobotomy and this practicing medicine sans license.

I try flirting with guys, coming onto guys and whatnot, but I keep thinking of Cody. I kind of want to move on but don't at the same time. Heck, I even had a dream last night about a cute guy I met at a pub (completely fictional, never been in a pub) and we ended up going home together and cuddling and then I woke up crying and feeling empty. I don't even know... :smallfrown:

don't know what to tell ya, mate. That's going to happen. You can cherish the sorrow if you like, but then you are forcing yourself to feel bad.

Other than that... I dunno. I can't really do polite relationship talk.

Mono Vertigo

2013-04-20, 03:46 AM

*claims the thread for New Zealand*

@Mynxae: There's that saying, "It's better to have loved and lost than to never have loved at all".
Can't tell how valid it is. Personally, I find it's a little stupid. But maybe it'll be more helpful to you, who knows.
And if it doesn't, please accept my humble e-hugs. :smallfrown:

KenderWizard

2013-04-20, 04:53 AM

Agreed. I move that we edit the thread title to add an extra exclamation mark, because then if you interpret that as a factorial you have 3!! = 6! = 720 and indeed 34 < 720. :smallbiggrin:

Done!

Also, I'd volunteer myself for the question-answering group, especially for the more academic/technical side of things.

Done!

Edit 2: you can also add me to the list of folks who can help, Kender. Please list me as depression, bullying, and general advice please?

And done!

Thanks! :smallsmile:

Asta Kask

2013-04-20, 04:57 AM

Thank you KenderWizard. You are a wise woman. I have chosen you to bear my children. Book a flight to Gothenburg immediately and we'll make whoopi.

The Succubus

2013-04-20, 05:19 AM

Thank you KenderWizard. You are a wise woman. I have chosen you to bear my children. Book a flight to Gothenburg immediately and we'll make whoopi.

And who says romance is dead? ^_^

Asta Kask

2013-04-20, 05:23 AM

She's Irish. They're used to being ravished by Scandinavians.

KW: I can give information on how the medicines work (although I cannot give medical advice, of course.) As long as it's purely "what does this do" and not "should I take it" I can help.

Mono Vertigo

2013-04-20, 05:31 AM

@Kender: I've done the depression talk before, and so far, it appears I've never made the issue worse, so could you add that to the list of subjects I'm okay helping with? Thanks!

SiuiS

2013-04-20, 05:48 AM

She's Irish. They're used to being ravished by Scandinavians.

Pffffffff~

I think the kindest thing I can do for another human being is not inflict my tortured worldview upon them. Consider my absence from the list to e my gift to humanity~

KenderWizard

2013-04-20, 07:27 AM

Thank you KenderWizard. You are a wise woman. I have chosen you to bear my children. Book a flight to Gothenburg immediately and we'll make whoopi.

Huh. That's oddly flattering. And mostly just odd. :smalltongue:

She's Irish. They're used to being ravished by Scandinavians.

KW: I can give information on how the medicines work (although I cannot give medical advice, of course.) As long as it's purely "what does this do" and not "should I take it" I can help.

We sure are!

Also, done!

@Kender: I've done the depression talk before, and so far, it appears I've never made the issue worse, so could you add that to the list of subjects I'm okay helping with? Thanks!

Done!

Lentrax

2013-04-20, 10:53 AM

And done!

Thanks! :smallsmile:

Thanks, Kender, you're awesome!

Lycunadari

2013-04-20, 11:01 AM

Kender, you missed the first 'a' in my name. Why does everyone miss this a? :smallconfused:

Unless they're written by Walter Moers, which has the added effect of making them awesome.

That's neat! I'll be spending a lot of time in Upper Franconia from October on, but if you like give me a heads-up when you need help unpacking or just company. There's at least one other playgrounder nearby.

That would be me :smallbiggrin:
I'll be around until october, after that i'm (hopefully) in Munich. If i get my bachelor this semester, which is not yet absolutely sure.
So yeah, if you need help just let us know ^^
Thanks! Maybe we can arrange a mini-meetup some day. :smallsmile:

Mrr. Earlier, I had a rather unpleasant experience. I was walking down the street (en femme, as I m full time these days) when I passed a group of girls. Suddenly, there came a cry of "It's a man! Hey, it's a man! Let's see your d***!"

:smallmad:
Eh, that's terrible. *hugs*

I try flirting with guys, coming onto guys and whatnot, but I keep thinking of Cody. I kind of want to move on but don't at the same time. Heck, I even had a dream last night about a cute guy I met at a pub (completely fictional, never been in a pub) and we ended up going home together and cuddling and then I woke up crying and feeling empty. I don't even know... :smallfrown:
*hugs*

Lentrax

2013-04-20, 12:31 PM

I try flirting with guys, coming onto guys and whatnot, but I keep thinking of Cody. I kind of want to move on but don't at the same time. Heck, I even had a dream last night about a cute guy I met at a pub (completely fictional, never been in a pub) and we ended up going home together and cuddling and then I woke up crying and feeling empty. I don't even know... :smallfrown:

Mynxae, it's tough. Love always is. That's why the rewards are so high. You will find someone. He will be everything you want, and then some. You just gotta keep going.

Hang in there!

*hugs*

SiuiS

2013-04-20, 12:31 PM

Karen, you've crossed the streams!

http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2013/109/f/e/fe0c32d103821a0591b1c84471328afb-d6288m7.jpg

Eldest

2013-04-20, 12:34 PM

Karen, you've crossed the streams!

http://th07.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/f/2013/109/f/e/fe0c32d103821a0591b1c84471328afb-d6288m7.jpg

Fixed it for you.

Coidzor

2013-04-20, 01:09 PM

Mynxae:
I try flirting with guys, coming onto guys and whatnot, but I keep thinking of Cody. I kind of want to move on but don't at the same time. Heck, I even had a dream last night about a cute guy I met at a pub (completely fictional, never been in a pub) and we ended up going home together and cuddling and then I woke up crying and feeling empty. I don't even know... :smallfrown:

Well, it's only been two or three days by my reckoning*, so I think it's a little early to be too concerned about twinging. Waking up crying is pretty gnarly though. :smallfrown:

*Possibly my conception of the passage of time has gotten broken again, however. :smallconfused:

Chess435:
:redface::smallfrown: I just want you to be happy, regardless of whoever it's with. Seriously, don't be sad. Find someone else to help you get over me, someone who can be there to snuggle and hold you.

Edit: Great, I tried talking to him on Skype to cheer him up and I think I just made him feel worse. :smallfrown:

Some time apart even when amicably ended and on good terms is a fairly standard recommendation, as I recall. It might be worth considering in this context as well.

Sadly I don't have anything more specific to fall back on than that occasionally applicable general principle.

Coidzor: the possibility did run through my head, but... Well, I don't want to go down that road. That road leads to headbutting things. And I have a horn, so that's either murder, or if they survive it's a lobotomy and this practicing medicine sans license.

Err, the spoiler road or the dragonheart one or the orthopraxy one or the one about having lost my excuse to not attempt to be a good person because of "nice guys" and not wanting to be mistaken for one inadvertently while attempting to learn how to be kind rather than curmudgeonly, vapid, and/or cruel?

I suppose you could just beat them with the flat of the horn instead?

Karen, you've crossed the streams!

o_O. Also, guh. Possibly bwuh.

Kender, you missed the first 'a' in my name. Why does everyone miss this a? :smallconfused:

Well, I think it gets shortened mentally to Lycun and then the dari is remembered, but it's not adari or lycuna so the a gets dropped.

SiuiS

2013-04-20, 01:46 PM

Fixed it for you.

Thanks! You keep getting them before I do XD

Err, the spoiler road or the dragonheart one or the orthopraxy one or the one about having lost my excuse to not attempt to be a good person because of "nice guys" and not wanting to be mistaken for one inadvertently while attempting to learn how to be kind rather than curmudgeonly, vapid, and/or cruel?

The Heliomance thing.

Mina Kobold

2013-04-20, 01:48 PM

*Offers biggest hugs and best cookie a Kobold can make for Tam*

That sounds really terrible. Who in the world just randomly makes assumptions about people and then shouts for them to show them what they assumed the person has? And with genitalia? ._.

*Offers more hugs*

-----

I was going to go on a long note about the letter a, respond to other posts and generally be productive, but that picture. SiuiS, that is so adorable. So. Adorable. O_O

Thank you

SiuiS

2013-04-20, 01:54 PM

You're welcome~

Asta Kask

2013-04-20, 02:14 PM

I try flirting with guys, coming onto guys and whatnot, but I keep thinking of Cody. I kind of want to move on but don't at the same time. Heck, I even had a dream last night about a cute guy I met at a pub (completely fictional, never been in a pub) and we ended up going home together and cuddling and then I woke up crying and feeling empty. I don't even know... :smallfrown:

Honey, sometimes it's just like this. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tsB2b0_SO4) I can tell you one thing, though. Something that makes a sad man happy and a happy man sad. "This Too Shall Pass."

KenderWizard

2013-04-20, 03:22 PM

Thanks, Kender, you're awesome!

My pleasure! :smallbiggrin:

Kender, you missed the first 'a' in my name. Why does everyone miss this a? :smallconfused:

Sorry! I'll fix it! >,< I even remember thinking "Lycundari ... Wait, I better check ... huh, it's actually Lycunadari!" and then apparently I immediately forgot that moment of learning. Sigh, brain.

Arachu

2013-04-20, 03:33 PM

Oooh new thread!

*booby traps entire thread with cookie traps*

*Falls right into one* D:

I try flirting with guys, coming onto guys and whatnot, but I keep thinking of Cody. I kind of want to move on but don't at the same time. Heck, I even had a dream last night about a cute guy I met at a pub (completely fictional, never been in a pub) and we ended up going home together and cuddling and then I woke up crying and feeling empty. I don't even know... :smallfrown:

*So many hugs* Wanna talk?

Karen, you've crossed the streams!

http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2013/109/f/e/fe0c32d103821a0591b1c84471328afb-d6288m7.jpg

*Brain asplodes* :smallbiggrin:

~Bianca

turkishproverb

2013-04-20, 03:36 PM

Coidzor

2013-04-20, 04:02 PM

Yea, they're not siblings, and it's not a bunk bed.

As to the Ho-yay? As an example, they spend most of the series calling each other "partner" (they do run a business together in fairness) and they have a superpower that lets them fuse.

Hmm. Well, it was a 10/10. So, um. This one goes to 11? :smallconfused:

SiuiS: In that case I would have to unconditionally approve of the headbutting.

TaiLiu

2013-04-20, 04:04 PM

Heh. I like the title change.

KenderWizard

2013-04-20, 04:16 PM

Heh. I like the title change.

Hey, I'm a physicist*. The maths has got to be right. :smallwink:

*For those of you who know me as a geologist; I'm doing my post-grad work in geophysics, so now I'm a physicist too!

TaiLiu

2013-04-20, 04:19 PM

*For those of you who know me as a geologist; I'm doing my post-grad work in geophysics, so now I'm a physicist too!
A master of two trades! Very nice. :smallsmile:

Eirala

2013-04-20, 04:44 PM

Karen, you've crossed the streams!

http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2013/109/f/e/fe0c32d103821a0591b1c84471328afb-d6288m7.jpg

D'awwwwwwwww ^_^

Thanks! Maybe we can arrange a mini-meetup some day. :smallsmile:

Yeah, why not ^^

Philemonite

2013-04-20, 05:13 PM

Lorsa

2013-04-20, 05:21 PM

I don't really know how this thread works, but I really need some advice.
I apologize for my bad English.

I broke up with my boyfriend a few months ago. I don't think it was all my fault. It was our birthday a few days ago(one day apart) and we started talking again. I said I want to get back together, and he said he is not sure he can be with me again. I did a lot of groveling, and je said he has forgiven me. So, I'm not sure if I should keep trying, or just give up.

It works like this: You talk about what's on your mind and then people will answer. :smallsmile:

I am of the "once you explain your wishes to a person then you leave the choice up to the other person" school. So I think my answer is somewhere between your two extremes. Don't give up, but don't nag or keep bringing up the topic either. If he changes his mind he will probably tell you, yes? But keep yourself open for the possibility of meeting someone else.

Or you could inquire further about his feelings. Why did it end and how did that make him feel? How does he feel about you at the moment? If you can find out the reasons why he can't be with you then you'll know for sure if it's something you can fix or if you should move on for sure.

Philemonite

2013-04-20, 05:38 PM

Lorsa

2013-04-20, 06:08 PM

It was a comunication problem. I really have problems opening up to people(my heart is beating faster, just by writing this). I think I was really mean and I made him break up with me, but I'm not sure. He says he was devestated. I'm really trying to change, to be a better person. Since I really mean that, I don't want to tell him that. I want my actions to speak for me, but I'm not sure I will get a chance.

You can relax. Noone is going to judge you for how you feel. Well, certainly not me at least.

I would like to point out though, that if the problem was that you had issues opening up then being silent about wanting to make an effort and hoping that your "actions will speak for you" is perhaps counterproductive. You need to talk more not less. If you do want to show him your willingness to change you should go to him and explain why you have problems opening up to people, how it makes you feel, what you are afraid of. Tell him your problem. Tell him that it is something you want to work on.

He might change his mind, he might not. Regardless of which, you will have taken the first step to being a more open person which will help you in all your future relationships.

Mionelle

2013-04-20, 07:07 PM

Mrr. Earlier, I had a rather unpleasant experience. I was walking down the street (en femme, as I m full time these days) when I passed a group of girls. Suddenly, there came a cry of "It's a man! Hey, it's a man! Let's see your d***!"

:smallmad:
D: *hugs tightly*

I try flirting with guys, coming onto guys and whatnot, but I keep thinking of Cody. I kind of want to move on but don't at the same time. Heck, I even had a dream last night about a cute guy I met at a pub (completely fictional, never been in a pub) and we ended up going home together and cuddling and then I woke up crying and feeling empty. I don't even know... :smallfrown:
*hugs* Often people just need some time.

Kender, you missed the first 'a' in my name. Why does everyone miss this a? :smallconfused:

Ok... I've just noticed this "a" in your nick. :smalltongue:

It's not LGBT-related, but few weeks I posted about my problems at school. So yesterday I logged in online register and what I saw was like... Woah. 4 from physics at the end of the school when I was almost sure I'll get 2 (6 is the best grade, 1 is worst) No idea how it happened, but I'm glad it did. :smallbiggrin:
Now I can see these hours wasted on playing LoL in the next few weeks... ^^'

Also... *hugs EVERYONE*

Asta Kask

2013-04-20, 09:19 PM

Hey, I'm a physicist*. The maths has got to be right. :smallwink:

*For those of you who know me as a geologist; I'm doing my post-grad work in geophysics, so now I'm a physicist too!

What's your post-grad work on?

Lentrax

2013-04-21, 02:43 AM

Hey, I'm a physicist*. The maths has got to be right. :smallwink:

*For those of you who know me as a geologist; I'm doing my post-grad work in geophysics, so now I'm a physicist too!

Oh noes! A Wizard with detailed working knowledge of TWO sciences? And she's a Kender?

Well, world, it was nice knowing ya.

(Just kidding, KW. Science is awesome. And so are you.:smallsmile:)

SiuiS

2013-04-21, 05:31 AM

Interesting article in the Bay Area Times today.

[Trigger: Sexual Assaut]
http://i1229.photobucket.com/albums/ee468/WizardPony/examples/FAC54DB6-89D5-4263-8E9A-CEC05C92563E-6067-00000695678F38FA-1.jpg

It starts out much less noncommittal than most similar articles, leading with what constitutes slutshaming and victim blaming. It's got a few gems I quotes, such as the easy-to-misunderstand "Rape is not really rape any more, because girls are kind of giving it up freely", but also has a lot of useful information in it.

What else of interest?

"We live in a culture that blames the victim," said D., [a rape victim]. [...] and yet, when she mentions the assault, people ask "were you drinking? What were you wearing?" and "Are you sure you said no loud enough?"

Personally, I was always mindful of the idea that it doesn't matter how loudly you said no, if you never said yes in the first place. That speaks of ownership in ways I've never even noticed before. It's almost sickening. It probably is sickening, but I'm compartmentalizing it so I don't get my dander up, would put me in a fighting mood.

It also mentions an issue of the Palo Alto high school magazine, which would be a rocking thing to get a copy of; the cover lists a series of 'Rape Culture' topics, including page numbers. '"You can't tell me I wasn't raped"', 'Breaking the Silence', 'Taking it Seriously'. Very well put together.

I certainly hope this issue sees lots of press. It is the second most educational thing I've seen on the topic, the first being this nexus here. I'm also considering typing it out and Savin it for future use, of I can't download it somewhere. What do y'all think? Worthwhile resource?

Socratov

2013-04-21, 06:12 AM

*triggers cookietraps*
*noms cookie*

-Looks up.-

Okay, seriously, you're frowning on the entire concept of chivalry and the existence of the word gallant? Now that's just... ridiculous. Exceedingly. :smallannoyed:

I think the idealogical concept of chivalry should apply to anyone in a position of power, retroengineered or no. Gender is irrelevant; if your position gives you authority over someone else, stick to it. Or at least the parts that have aged well (so... skipping the bits about never retreating, religion, and nationalism). Don't lie, be generous, protect the weak--whomsoever that may be--and do good rather than evil. That's hardly something to whine about. :smallsigh:

Well, it's more like a code of conduct, summed up into these words: Behave yourself! That's all.

I cannot answer that, as I believe we are not talking about the same thing. I am against the notion that women are automatically weak and helpless, that a man should have all the power if dating a woman and for being nice to people. This seems to be your concept of chivalry, and probably is also Socratov's, but I was talking about how the words Chivalry and Gallantry carry the baggage of assuming that men are in power and that women are weak. I fully support not lying, being generous and protecting the weak, but I am against the cultural idea that the weak equals all women, which is a part of what chivalry has long been and still means to so many.

I fully support you if you want to remove the sexism from it and make the definition of chivalry as "Don't lie, be generous, protect the weak--whomsoever that may be--and do good rather than evil" the true one, entirely! I was just responding to why the words may right now imply sexism and how I disliked the concepts of them as they are now. Making my statements outdated is great! ^_^

That make more sense? Sorry! m(_ _)m

EDIT:

@Succubus: I would call that to be charitable, nice and amazing. :smallsmile:

I would also call it chivalrous-as-seen-by-Raineh-and-Socratov, since it very much fits protecting those who are in a weakened situation. ^_^
Well, in my experience it's also of praticaluses (old fashioned they may be). ladies first, unless public place, then man first holding door for woman (in my example at least), offer arm, if cold offer coat, etc. Old fashion standards the indeed are (and maybe slightly sexist), but that is really how I was raised. is it too late to blame my mother? :smalleek:

Sorry Mario, but Princess Peach is making out with Lara Croft?
I'd pay for that game...

Re: Chivalry, et al:
My POV is less that it's societally condemned but that as a society we have a rather "schizophrenic" view of chivalry, more properly a fragmented view with a general lack of consensus except for within certain sub-sections of the general populace. Though, I must admit, it is the misapplication/entitlement/missing the point and claiming chivalry that is more railed against than people actually being orthopraxic. Which could lead into an entire discussion of culture and the competing emphasis between right-thinking and right-action, but it'd be almost impossible to avoid going into some morass or another, sadly. Fascinating concepts though, so I'd recommend boning up on it if it's new ground to you. :smallsmile:

Well, some people think they're interrelated or synonymous. Also, you're not allowed to be a nice guy, because of "nice guys." :smalltongue:
(bolded part mine) this is what I experienced, often from the same subject...

Philemonite

2013-04-21, 06:12 AM

You can relax. Noone is going to judge you for how you feel. Well, certainly not me at least.

I would like to point out though, that if the problem was that you had issues opening up then being silent about wanting to make an effort and hoping that your "actions will speak for you" is perhaps counterproductive. You need to talk more not less. If you do want to show him your willingness to change you should go to him and explain why you have problems opening up to people, how it makes you feel, what you are afraid of. Tell him your problem. Tell him that it is something you want to work on.

He might change his mind, he might not. Regardless of which, you will have taken the first step to being a more open person which will help you in all your future relationships.

Thanks for trying to help, but I don't think anyone wants to hear me speak more.:smallwink:
Since I returned home year ago I really have no friends to talk about this kind of things.

We have a tradition in my country, for the first of may we have BBQ in forests or parks. He asked me if I was going somewhere, and suggested we go somewhere together. He said he's not promising anything, but he should be free. Now I just need to get a day off. I think it's a good sign he suggested we see each other, we have been communicating through Internet, since he is out of the country on a business trip.

KenderWizard

2013-04-21, 07:04 AM

A master of two trades! Very nice. :smallsmile:

Thank you! :smallbiggrin: I dunno about "master", but I'm getting there.

What's your post-grad work on?

I'm doing a regional seismological tomography study of Asia. Basically combining hundreds of thousands of recorded seismographs of earthquakes all around the globe and looking at how the waves behave as they move through Asia's lithosphere, so that we can come up with a model.

Oh noes! A Wizard with detailed working knowledge of TWO sciences? And she's a Kender?

Well, world, it was nice knowing ya.

(Just kidding, KW. Science is awesome. And so are you.:smallsmile:)

Heehee! :smallbiggrin:

Thanks for trying to help, but I don't think anyone wants to hear me speak more.:smallwink:
Since I returned home year ago I really have no friends to talk about this kind of things.

We have a tradition in my country, for the first of may we have BBQ in forests or parks. He asked me if I was going somewhere, and suggested we go somewhere together. He said he's not promising anything, but he should be free. Now I just need to get a day off. I think it's a good sign he suggested we see each other, we have been communicating through Internet, since he is out of the country on a business trip.

That sounds promising! Sounds like a good opportunity. Make a big effort to be open with him, tell him how you're feeling and how you're anxious to do better.

Asta Kask

2013-04-21, 07:09 AM

Thank you! :smallbiggrin: I dunno about "master", but I'm getting there.

"Mistress"?

And no, postgraduate is the apprenticeship. After that you can be let out on your own.

How's the knitting welding going?

Philemonite

2013-04-21, 07:31 AM

That sounds promising! Sounds like a good opportunity. Make a big effort to be open with him, tell him how you're feeling and how you're anxious to do better.

Or, I'll just be cute, and he will not be able to resist me.:smallbiggrin:

KenderWizard

2013-04-21, 09:15 AM

"Mistress"?

And no, postgraduate is the apprenticeship. After that you can be let out on your own.

How's the knitting welding going?

Naw, "master" and "mistress" have diverged too much.

Haven't done much knitting recently. :smallfrown: Doing it at coffee break was relaxing, doing it at night after work is often just tiring!

Or, I'll just be cute, and he will not be able to resist me.:smallbiggrin:

Also a good plan! :smallbiggrin:

Philemonite

2013-04-21, 09:22 AM

Naw, "master" and "mistress" have diverged too much.

Haven't done much knitting recently. :smallfrown: Doing it at coffee break was relaxing, doing it at night after work is often just tiring!

Also a good plan! :smallbiggrin:

I used to knit when I was little, but I stopped when i was 7.:smallbiggrin:

Something tells me there isn't enough cuteness in the world and I should really work on my "please take me back" speech.

Asta Kask

2013-04-21, 12:03 PM

Haven't done much knitting recently. :smallfrown: Doing it at coffee break was relaxing, doing it at night after work is often just tiring!

I just learned that the peasant women in 19th century Sweden were supposed to knit while they walked, so that they wouldn't waste any time. 15 miles or so would be enough time to knit one sock.

Maybe you could knit on the bus? Or while walking to Uni?

Asteron Questar, I found this:

Oh baby girl I'm on my knees
Please listen baby to my pleas
My eyes are filled with tears for you
I cannot hate, I thought you knew
To be with you is all I need
To help me through this day I plead
Oh baby baby please dont go
From my lips my love will flow
You are my angel, you're my all
Without you now, I'd stumble and fall
Oh baby please I'm begging you
Just let me love, you are my Boo
My Boo so special sweet and kind
I've left my hatred far behind
I cannot live without your love
A simple thought like hand in glove
Oh baby please dont walk away
Give me a chance, please baby stay
I'm lost without you every day
My life is empty, please baby stay
You are my better half you know
That half I need to make me grow
Please take me back on baby please
I love you so I'm on my knees

Bradley Lester

You'll need to gender-modify it.

KenderWizard

2013-04-21, 02:02 PM

I just learned that the peasant women in 19th century Sweden were supposed to knit while they walked, so that they wouldn't waste any time. 15 miles or so would be enough time to knit one sock.

Maybe you could knit on the bus? Or while walking to Uni?

I walk to and from my institution, it's 10 - 15 minutes, 25 on a really fatiguey day. I cannot imagine knitting! I would totally walk into EVERYONE and EVERYTHING and probably die from suddenly occupying the same space as a vehicle.

I tried knitting on the bus before, I can't, motion sickness! I can knit on trains. Unfortunately (well, it's generally a good thing, so unfortunately for knitting), I walk everywhere; institute, shops, D&D. Maybe I should practice knitwalking...

Akowrules

2013-04-21, 04:06 PM

*New thread means cookies and other baked delicacies for all*

Huzzah! Cookies for all!

Raineh Daze

2013-04-21, 04:12 PM

Okay, what the hell is this: ♅ :smallconfused:

Kindablue

2013-04-21, 04:45 PM

A small rectangle.

ScionoftheVoid

2013-04-21, 04:51 PM

Okay, what the hell is this: ♅ :smallconfused:

I believe it's the planetary symbol for Uranus? One of the former posters used it as an alternative to the "male" Mars symbol and "female" Venus symbol, I seem to recall.

EDIT: Not Uranus, but same idea.

EDIT2: It is Uranus. Sneaky planet apparently has two symbols.

Raineh Daze

2013-04-21, 04:57 PM

For some bizarre reason, I can render the first Uranus symbol but not the second one. Strange.

noparlpf

2013-04-21, 05:15 PM

Mrr. Earlier, I had a rather unpleasant experience. I was walking down the street (en femme, as I m full time these days) when I passed a group of girls. Suddenly, there came a cry of "It's a man! Hey, it's a man! Let's see your d***!"

:smallmad:

People suck. I'm sorry. *hugs*

On the other hand, the pronunciation "Lagerbeta" is awesome and suggests a new alcohol type.

If somebody asks how to pronounce LGBT like a word I think "lugbutt" because it has "butt" in it that way.

Hey, I'm a physicist*. The maths has got to be right. :smallwink:

*For those of you who know me as a geologist; I'm doing my post-grad work in geophysics, so now I'm a physicist too!

Yeah, I remember you mentioning that. How's the sanity holding up? Quantum has literally driven me to tears, but presumably you're using other stuff like wave stuff and fluid mechanics (?) and soil/rock stuff.

Raineh Daze

2013-04-21, 05:22 PM

LGBT = Lugerbutt in my mind. Because gun-butts are oddly distinctive.

Mrr. Earlier, I had a rather unpleasant experience. I was walking down the street (en femme, as I m full time these days) when I passed a group of girls. Suddenly, there came a cry of "It's a man! Hey, it's a man! Let's see your d***!"

:smallmad:

:smallfrown:

Lorsa

2013-04-21, 05:41 PM

Yay, more physicists! The world needs more of us!

Raineh Daze

2013-04-21, 05:56 PM

I seriously question whether the world needs more physicists, or whether maintenance of the same amount will suffice. :smalltongue:

However, I am currently rather soured on physics by my inability to make a functional electromagnet with about six feet of copper wiring. Seriously, it reported a tiny field (it was about 6mT at best). :smallannoyed:

I think it might have been because I was shorting it by accident. :smallsigh:

noparlpf

2013-04-21, 06:05 PM

Raineh Daze

2013-04-21, 06:08 PM

This could move the needle of a plotting compass, but not iron filings. I was annoyed.

... still need to finish the write-up of that by... the end of the week. Then I can go back to focusing on exam results. :smallsigh:

noparlpf

2013-04-21, 06:13 PM

I might be mixing up two magnetism labs we did in Earth Science though, maybe the one that lifted nails had a bit more than a battery. This was a long time ago.
Anyway, when do labs and projects ever go right? In my experience, basically never.

Raineh Daze

2013-04-21, 06:15 PM

noparlpf

2013-04-21, 06:18 PM

It's going to be really awkward to say that my results are wildly inconsistent with the calculated value because I failed to use insulated wire. Specifically, I think I basically created something more conductive than a simple straight wire.

In other words? I not only messed up, I have less of a magnetic field than a wire.

Do you have time to redo it?

Can't be more awkward than my Physics I lab on densities when I had to explain how when I removed the ball bearings from the water the water level actually rose.

Raineh Daze

2013-04-21, 06:24 PM

Honestly? No.

Maybe if I'd tried beforehand, but... not really. Don't want to bother, anyway, I'll just focus on doing the write-up as well as can be expected.

I'm better at exams than science investigations. The only thing I ever did well was investigating the resistance of a wire a few years ago; everything else goes horribly wrong (I measured green light as orange. Steps taken to reduce uncertainty increased it. I think I blew a bulb at some point).

Pandoren

2013-04-21, 06:49 PM

I love how this started out on LGBTA a few pages ago and is now about science experiments... Ah, the meandering path of the Internet mind :smallbiggrin:

Personally I'm not a fan of "the alphabet soup"- taking LGBT and sticking multiple additional letters to the end of it. I think LGBT was created for the groups of people included in that acronym and have a right to keep it within those groups without a free-for-all of others. I think the issue there is that the LGBT is so well known that everyone else wants to be on board with it or, if they are isolated from others like them, the LGBT might be the only group around. With the former in mind, I do support the idea of a new umbrella title that can be separate from the LGBT (I believe ones like "SGD" short for "Sexuality and Gender Diversity" have been used, although none seem to have been solidly taken up). If labelled right, it could include a wide range of people without needing to be amended on a regular basis.

It's been a long time since I've done science... and I don't think I have any amusing anecdotes to tell at all :smallfrown:

Absol197

2013-04-21, 06:50 PM

Hi there, everybody! I had a very...swing-y week. But first:

Tamsin: :smallannoyed: :smallmad: :smallfurious: :smallsigh: :smallfrown: Why do people think that's okay? Obviously you were trying hard to not be seen that way. Plus, that's one of the rudest things I've ever heard. *hugs*

So, the good stuff - My therapist gave me the name of an endo who is supposed to be really good. She hasn't written me a letter yet (she wants to discuss my history a bit more, first), but she gave me the name so I could get in touch and get things squared away, so that when she does write my letter, I can basically just go get my prescription. So yays! Additionally, I had my third face appointment on Saturday, and they turned up the laser strength. I don't know how well it's going yet, because the hair has yet to grow back...

The bad stuff - On Friday night, I went out to the movies. Fully dressed up; full make-up; fiddling with my hair until it probably should have fallen out; perfume; the whole works. It was my first time going out en femme, and I spent over an hour getting ready. I thought I looked pretty good, and at least somewhat passable. And it was the Day of Silence, so my voice wouldn't give me away. But once I got there, I got only two gender-specific comments: "Man," from the guy who ripped my ticket, and "Guy" from the girls at the concession stand. Obviously, I didn't pass at all.

Which meant that after the movie, I got hit by the "bathroom dilemma." I needed to go bad, but I didn't think I passed well enough to not make a disturbance in the ladies' room, but I was afraid to go into the mens' room. I just waited until I got home :smallfrown: ...

~Phoenix~

Eldest

2013-04-21, 07:07 PM

Do you have time to redo it?

Can't be more awkward than my Physics I lab on densities when I had to explain how when I removed the ball bearings from the water the water level actually rose.

Ok, was going to let this one go by, but I have to ask. How?

noparlpf

2013-04-21, 07:19 PM

Ok, was going to let this one go by, but I have to ask. How?

I put "Lab Station 3" under sources of error because everyone who used that bench had things go horribly wrong. (Granted I used it most so maybe I'm just bad at doing things.) Like the simple demonstration of gravitational potential energy to kinetic energy by rolling a ball bearing down a ramp into a block of foam which was then pushed across the bench. We measured about 150% energy yield. The mobile lab when we were doing torque also went horribly wrong when the math said there was no possible way the thing we had balanced was balanced. (We figured, we'll hang it first, then do the math. We used meter sticks for the cross-parts, and standard weights for the hanging bits, so there's no way we measured something wrong...)
On the other hand, in my other Physics I class at a different school, we did a lab to measure local gravity using an infrared sensor and a barred plastic strip...and I got 22 m/s² up. Despite the thing obviously being falling down.
The professors in either class verified all of these things...so maybe physics just doesn't work around me, or measuring instruments from rulers to scales to infrared sensors and computers just fail around me.

Eldest

2013-04-21, 07:34 PM

Have you considered a career as a test subject? :smalltongue:
But dang, that list is impressive.

TaiLiu

2013-04-21, 07:44 PM

Have you considered a career as a test subject? :smalltongue:
But dang, that list is impressive.
Indeed. How does this affect your life, noparlpf?

noparlpf

2013-04-21, 07:46 PM

Have you considered a career as a test subject? :smalltongue:
But dang, that list is impressive.

Yeah, and it's only physics...chem works fine as long as the lab facilities aren't inadequate and filthy and when the professor prepares the solutions properly in the first place.

Edit:

Indeed. How does this affect your life, noparlpf?

Outside of physics labs, not much. Just some weird stuff with thermodynamics and physiology that probably have some explanations. I get by on half the calories I'm supposed to need and I don't lose weight. I've survived two extended 40° fevers and one two-day 32° hypothermia. If I want to I can walk around outside all day in freezing weather in a t-shirt.

Karen Lynn

2013-04-21, 07:47 PM

I am not yet dead~
I can laugh and dance and sing~
I am not yet dead~
I can do the Irish thing~

So... Wow. I've been gone from here a while. >.<

TaiLiu

2013-04-21, 08:54 PM

Outside of physics labs, not much. Just some weird stuff with thermodynamics and physiology that probably have some explanations. I get by on half the calories I'm supposed to need and I don't lose weight. I've survived two extended 40° fevers and one two-day 32° hypothermia. If I want to I can walk around outside all day in freezing weather in a t-shirt.
Hm. That's still astonishing. :smalleek:

I am not yet dead~
I can laugh and dance and sing~
I am not yet dead~
I can do the Irish thing~

So... Wow. I've been gone from here a while. >.<

Also, new Skype name. Find me as Karen under [n/a]. Was having issues with old account and getting weird, phishy emails.
Welcome back, Karen! :smallsmile:

Randomguy

2013-04-21, 09:21 PM

I put "Lab Station 3" under sources of error because everyone who used that bench had things go horribly wrong. (Granted I used it most so maybe I'm just bad at doing things.) Like the simple demonstration of gravitational potential energy to kinetic energy by rolling a ball bearing down a ramp into a block of foam which was then pushed across the bench. We measured about 150% energy yield. The mobile lab when we were doing torque also went horribly wrong when the math said there was no possible way the thing we had balanced was balanced. (We figured, we'll hang it first, then do the math. We used meter sticks for the cross-parts, and standard weights for the hanging bits, so there's no way we measured something wrong...)
On the other hand, in my other Physics I class at a different school, we did a lab to measure local gravity using an infrared sensor and a barred plastic strip...and I got 22 m/s² up. Despite the thing obviously being falling down.
The professors in either class verified all of these things...so maybe physics just doesn't work around me, or measuring instruments from rulers to scales to infrared sensors and computers just fail around me.

I am in awe.
The most impressive science fail I have is in a biology lab where we were supposed to grow a culture of bacteria in a petri dish. My partner and I somehow managed to spread the bacteria on the lid, rather than the part of the dish that actually had nutrients on it. :smallsigh:

noparlpf

2013-04-21, 09:59 PM

I am in awe.
The most impressive science fail I have is in a biology lab where we were supposed to grow a culture of bacteria in a petri dish. My partner and I somehow managed to spread the bacteria on the lid, rather than the part of the dish that actually had nutrients on it. :smallsigh:

Haha, oops.
I think my only interesting Bio experiences were not having any dead cheek cells floating around when we tried that lab the first time (the second time we found a couple but they were shaped like pentagons instead of normal random-shaped cells, weird), and we found out that I can taste PTC but I don't think it's disgusting like normal people who can taste it.

SiuiS

2013-04-22, 12:44 AM

Okay, what the hell is this: ♅ :smallconfused:

It's an astrological sign. =D

Do you have time to redo it?

Can't be more awkward than my Physics I lab on densities when I had to explain how when I removed the ball bearings from the water the water level actually rose.

Wow. How's that work? Surface tension maybe? I could see whatever film was on the ball bearings preventing the liquid from climbing the sides of a beaker. It's reaching though.

I love how this started out on LGBTA a few pages ago and is now about science experiments... Ah, the meandering path of the Internet mind :smallbiggrin:

Yeah, we do that. Keep the friendships going between thread appropriate crises.

Personally I'm not a fan of "the alphabet soup"- taking LGBT and sticking multiple additional letters to the end of it. I think LGBT was created for the groups of people included in that acronym and have a right to keep it within those groups without a free-for-all of others. I think the issue there is that the LGBT is so well known that everyone else wants to be on board with it or, if they are isolated from others like them, the LGBT might be the only group around. With the former in mind, I do support the idea of a new umbrella title that can be separate from the LGBT (I believe ones like "SGD" short for "Sexuality and Gender Diversity" have been used, although none seem to have been solidly taken up). If labelled right, it could include a wide range of people without needing to be amended on a regular basis.

It's been a long time since I've done science... and I don't think I have any amusing anecdotes to tell at all :smallfrown:

I can see that. I think there is a certain point though whet thy backfires – where not admitting that someone who wants to be genderless is fighting the same gift as someone who wants nothing to do with sex is splitting resources needlessly. The number of victories for homosexuals that don't include or even explicitly exclude transsexuals for example, is rather high.

It's also why we tend towards discussing feminism and gender equality in this thread. They are linked in important ways to the topic, not the least of which is the struggles can all be mapped onto each other. It's in our best interests to raise the common denominator, since any attempt to score a victory for yourself alone is grounds to be kicked from the moral high ground.

So, the good stuff - My therapist gave me the name of an endo who is supposed to be really good. She hasn't written me a letter yet (she wants to discuss my history a bit more, first), but she gave me the name so I could get in touch and get things squared away, so that when she does write my letter, I can basically just go get my prescription. So yays! Additionally, I had my third face appointment on Saturday, and they turned up the laser strength. I don't know how well it's going yet, because the hair has yet to grow back...

Bangerang!

The bad stuff - On Friday night, I went out to the movies. Fully dressed up; full make-up; fiddling with my hair until it probably should have fallen out; perfume; the whole works. It was my first time going out en femme, and I spent over an hour getting ready. I thought I looked pretty good, and at least somewhat passable. And it was the Day of Silence, so my voice wouldn't give me away. But once I got there, I got only two gender-specific comments: "Man," from the guy who ripped my ticket, and "Guy" from the girls at the concession stand. Obviously, I didn't pass at all.

Which meant that after the movie, I got hit by the "bathroom dilemma." I needed to go bad, but I didn't think I passed well enough to not make a disturbance in the ladies' room, but I was afraid to go into the mens' room. I just waited until I got home :smallfrown: ...

Ick... I'm sorry Phee. That's no fun. But in the other end, you've got a scale to measure your success against! That's something!

I am in awe.
The most impressive science fail I have is in a biology lab where we were supposed to grow a culture of bacteria in a petri dish. My partner and I somehow managed to spread the bacteria on the lid, rather than the part of the dish that actually had nutrients on it. :smallsigh:

Heh. Maybe oil from your fingers got in the lid?

Ajadea

2013-04-22, 01:01 AM

Ah, the new thread smell. As a geek, I am very pleased to see the title is mathematically correct.

*hugs* for Chessie, Mynx, and anyone else who wants them.

Hi there, everybody! I had a very...swing-y week. But first:

Tamsin: :smallannoyed: :smallmad: :smallfurious: :smallsigh: :smallfrown: Why do people think that's okay? Obviously you were trying hard to not be seen that way. Plus, that's one of the rudest things I've ever heard. *hugs*

So, the good stuff - My therapist gave me the name of an endo who is supposed to be really good. She hasn't written me a letter yet (she wants to discuss my history a bit more, first), but she gave me the name so I could get in touch and get things squared away, so that when she does write my letter, I can basically just go get my prescription. So yays! Additionally, I had my third face appointment on Saturday, and they turned up the laser strength. I don't know how well it's going yet, because the hair has yet to grow back...

The bad stuff - On Friday night, I went out to the movies. Fully dressed up; full make-up; fiddling with my hair until it probably should have fallen out; perfume; the whole works. It was my first time going out en femme, and I spent over an hour getting ready. I thought I looked pretty good, and at least somewhat passable. And it was the Day of Silence, so my voice wouldn't give me away. But once I got there, I got only two gender-specific comments: "Man," from the guy who ripped my ticket, and "Guy" from the girls at the concession stand. Obviously, I didn't pass at all.

Which meant that after the movie, I got hit by the "bathroom dilemma." I needed to go bad, but I didn't think I passed well enough to not make a disturbance in the ladies' room, but I was afraid to go into the mens' room. I just waited until I got home :smallfrown: ...

~Phoenix~
Yay progress! I'm sorry to hear you didn't pass so well... that sounds miserable. Like you said, this was your first time going out though - I bet you'll be able to get a lot better with more practice with it.

If we're talking about interesting lab fails... I'm afraid the most interesting one I have experienced is a coffee cup calorimeter that, despite all logic to the contrary, apparently emits heat.

TaiLiu

2013-04-22, 01:02 AM

If we're talking about interesting fails... I'm afraid the most interesting one I have experienced is a coffee cup calorimeter that, despite all logic to the contrary, apparently emits heat.
Go on... :smallconfused:

Philemonite

2013-04-22, 01:07 AM

I love how this started out on LGBTA a few pages ago and is now about science experiments... Ah, the meandering path of the Internet mind :smallbiggrin:

Personally I'm not a fan of "the alphabet soup"- taking LGBT and sticking multiple additional letters to the end of it. I think LGBT was created for the groups of people included in that acronym and have a right to keep it within those groups without a free-for-all of others. I think the issue there is that the LGBT is so well known that everyone else wants to be on board with it or, if they are isolated from others like them, the LGBT might be the only group around. With the former in mind, I do support the idea of a new umbrella title that can be separate from the LGBT (I believe ones like "SGD" short for "Sexuality and Gender Diversity" have been used, although none seem to have been solidly taken up). If labelled right, it could include a wide range of people without needing to be amended on a regular basis.

That's a wiki walk (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WikiWalk) for you.:smallwink:

I agree, but "SGD" reminds me of "STD", so we would need another name.

Raineh Daze

2013-04-22, 01:30 AM

My most impressive failure was when trying to set up this electromagnet initially.

I got readings of 0. Somehow, I cancelled out one of the four fundamental forces. :smalleek:

The Succubus

2013-04-22, 03:42 AM

Wait, so when all those nasty people say LGBT are against all laws of physics - they're actually telling the truth? :smalleek:

Neat! :smallbiggrin:

Raineh Daze

2013-04-22, 03:47 AM

Yes. We just need to learn to harness it.

Philemonite

2013-04-22, 04:01 AM

That's why we should all stop believing in physics.:smalltongue:

Lorsa

2013-04-22, 04:31 AM

I seem to remember someone mentioned laser treatment for hair loss? That reminds me of one of the laser labs I had over a year ago now where the supervisor told us there once was a guy who put his (somewhat bald) head into the laser beam because he had read somewhere that it "cures baldness". Now since this was a rather high-powered laser and obviously NOT made to do that it caused some rather nasty burns.

After that they made very sure that everyone was actively watching the safety video and not just pretending too. I was a bit curious as to how stupid someone that attends a rather advanced course at the university could be though. Or maybe he was just gullible?

Asta Kask

2013-04-22, 05:03 AM

Every time Raineh Daze does an experiment, God resurrects a catgirl?

Wolfgang Pauli was a notoriously bad experimentalist, but he still won the Nobel Prize. So there's hope.

Eirala

2013-04-22, 05:48 AM

I seriously question whether the world needs more physicists, or whether maintenance of the same amount will suffice. :smalltongue:

The world never has enough physicists!
OK i'm just saying that because i'll start studying physics in October myself

SiuiS

2013-04-22, 06:11 AM

Wait, so when all those nasty people say LGBT are against all laws of physics - they're actually telling the truth? :smalleek:

Neat! :smallbiggrin:

Mein Celeste! Does this mean we're cat girls? All of us, cat girls?
Cat girls, especially the boys?

That's why we should all stop believing in physics.:smalltongue:

Oh! That's much better than what I thought.

Asta Kask

2013-04-22, 06:27 AM

Aren't cat girls a little too much into the gender binary?

Lissou

2013-04-22, 06:39 AM

D'oh! I thought I had already posted in this thread. I was getting worried by the lack of updates...

For some bizarre reason, I can render the first Uranus symbol but not the second one. Strange.

The second one is in italics.

I agree, but "SGD" reminds me of "STD", so we would need another name.

I've seen GSM (Gender and Sexual Minorities) and GSRM (Gender, Sexual and Romantic Minorities).

Philemonite

2013-04-22, 06:44 AM

I've seen GSM (Gender and Sexual Minorities) and GSRM (Gender, Sexual and Romantic Minorities).

That's cool, I apply for membership.:smallwink:

I am definitely a minority here.:smallsigh:

Mono Vertigo

2013-04-22, 06:50 AM

The professors in either class verified all of these things...so maybe physics just doesn't work around me, or measuring instruments from rulers to scales to infrared sensors and computers just fail around me.

Wait, so when all those nasty people say LGBT are against all laws of physics - they're actually telling the truth? :smalleek:

Neat! :smallbiggrin:
... we've recently determined that the slower I drive my car, the faster I arrive. (No, it doesn't make any kind of sense, yet I arrive faster at an average of 70km/h and one break than at an average of 100km/h without breaks.)
So if you consider me to be part of the LGBT community then yes. Yes, that's the truth. :smalleek:

noparlpf

2013-04-22, 07:18 AM

So, the good stuff - My therapist gave me the name of an endo who is supposed to be really good. She hasn't written me a letter yet (she wants to discuss my history a bit more, first), but she gave me the name so I could get in touch and get things squared away, so that when she does write my letter, I can basically just go get my prescription. So yays! Additionally, I had my third face appointment on Saturday, and they turned up the laser strength. I don't know how well it's going yet, because the hair has yet to grow back...

Congrats. Sounds like that's going well.

The bad stuff - On Friday night, I went out to the movies. Fully dressed up; full make-up; fiddling with my hair until it probably should have fallen out; perfume; the whole works. It was my first time going out en femme, and I spent over an hour getting ready. I thought I looked pretty good, and at least somewhat passable. And it was the Day of Silence, so my voice wouldn't give me away. But once I got there, I got only two gender-specific comments: "Man," from the guy who ripped my ticket, and "Guy" from the girls at the concession stand. Obviously, I didn't pass at all.

Which meant that after the movie, I got hit by the "bathroom dilemma." I needed to go bad, but I didn't think I passed well enough to not make a disturbance in the ladies' room, but I was afraid to go into the mens' room. I just waited until I got home :smallfrown: ...

~Phoenix~

I'm sorry. *hugs*

My most impressive failure was when trying to set up this electromagnet initially.

I got readings of 0. Somehow, I cancelled out one of the four fundamental forces. :smalleek:

Weird. Maybe the thing you were measuring with is screwy? Add that to the list of possible sources of error.

Mein Celeste! Does this mean we're cat girls? All of us, cat girls?
Cat girls, especially the boys?

I could be a cat boy. I'd feel kind of weird about being a cat girl.

... we've recently determined that the slower I drive my car, the faster I arrive. (No, it doesn't make any kind of sense, yet I arrive faster at an average of 70km/h and one break than at an average of 100km/h without breaks.)
So if you consider me to be part of the LGBT community then yes. Yes, that's the truth. :smalleek:

That's weird. But it reminds me, I visited my old school this weekend, and apparently I get home faster by starting out north and then swinging way out west before heading back south and east, as opposed to my previous usual route of just heading more or less straight south at the same speed. :smallconfused:

Pandoren

2013-04-22, 07:52 AM

I've seen GSM (Gender and Sexual Minorities) and GSRM (Gender, Sexual and Romantic Minorities).

I remember ages ago someone was trying to gain popularity for "OGSM" (Outside Gender and Sexuality Mainstream, or something)... Apparently they'd never tried saying it out loud. Unsurprisingly, it didn't take off.

Me too, Asteron :smallcool:

Lentrax

2013-04-22, 08:02 AM

Hmm, science fails....

Does setting the chem lab ceiling on fire count?

I'm pretty sure it should.

Philemonite

2013-04-22, 08:05 AM

One of my friend had sulfide poisoning, she had...problems for 3 days.

That made us all careful.:smallwink:

noparlpf

2013-04-22, 08:06 AM

Setting anything on fire unintentionally counts.

Oh yeah, I spilled boiling 15M ammonia on my hand once. My skin turned yellow for a week.

Lorsa

2013-04-22, 08:07 AM

The bad stuff - On Friday night, I went out to the movies. Fully dressed up; full make-up; fiddling with my hair until it probably should have fallen out; perfume; the whole works. It was my first time going out en femme, and I spent over an hour getting ready. I thought I looked pretty good, and at least somewhat passable. And it was the Day of Silence, so my voice wouldn't give me away. But once I got there, I got only two gender-specific comments: "Man," from the guy who ripped my ticket, and "Guy" from the girls at the concession stand. Obviously, I didn't pass at all.

Which meant that after the movie, I got hit by the "bathroom dilemma." I needed to go bad, but I didn't think I passed well enough to not make a disturbance in the ladies' room, but I was afraid to go into the mens' room. I just waited until I got home :smallfrown: ...

All the science talk (and having discovered that Blood Bowl exist as a computer game) distracted me from doing what I should do.

Offer you a big hug. Keep at it, one day everyone will see you for who you are I am sure.

Also about the bathroom dilemma. I've always found it rather weird to have this split in the first place. The "ladies room" as far as I know hold no public open toilets where someone would see you naked. Anyone should be able to go in here, in theory. The "mens room" has this thingy in the open where men can stand and pee (what's it called in english?) so all in all this is more public and should thus be referred to as "be warned, you might see a penis or a person peeing". Other than that, people should be able to go where they want. I don't understand why you would be more skittish about a woman being in the room than you would be of a man. If you pee in public anyway I mean...

But then I have always been for less gender segregation in general. Or any segregation for that matter.

So... Wow. I've been gone from here a while. >.<

The thread (and its people) have suffered greatly in your absence!

Ah, the new thread smell. As a geek, I am very pleased to see the title is mathematically correct.

*hugs* for Chessie, Mynx, and anyone else who wants them.

Well, since we were ignoring the :'s, if we want to be mathematically correct, it imples that ReLGBTAitp < 3!!/34. Now we only need 9 more equations for all those variables and we can solve the mystery once and for all! (Incidentally 9 is the amount of lives a cat have)

Also, I always want hugs.

I've seen GSM (Gender and Sexual Minorities) and GSRM (Gender, Sexual and Romantic Minorities).

*scratches head* Are transsexuals really a gender minority? They are usually either men or women I thought? And the world has about 50% of each. So that's not really a minority. Yes, they have a problem that only a minority suffers from, which can be fixed by modern day medicine, but their gender is usually one or the other? Gender minority would be if you were neither female or male I thought?

Also, pedophiles are (luckily) a sexual minority but would we really want to include them in any cause?

Ok, I might be playing Devil's advocate, I do that sometimes. :smallredface:

I could be a cat boy. I'd feel kind of weird about being a cat girl.

I wouldn't mind being a catgirl! But then again KenderWizard have decided that I'm a woman so maybe it's not that strange...

Mono Vertigo

2013-04-22, 08:35 AM

Hmm, science fails....

Does setting the chem lab ceiling on fire count?

I'm pretty sure it should.
Sure.
BF also burnt water, once.
But that is because he's a British stuck in a Frenchman's body. Nah, just kidding, he's a great cook. He did manage to burn water though. He will never live it down.
Preemptive joke dissection because my humour seems to be terribad and hermetic on the Internet: it's a joke. It's about the stereotype of the British being terrible cooks. Which is not true, being a stereotype, but it's still a thing. As to whether BF IS actually a British in a Frenchman's body, I'm afraid science hasn't advanced enough yet for us to conclusively prove or disprove it. Personally, I suspect it has to do with the tea intake of the mother during pregnancy*.

*also a joke.

Raineh Daze

2013-04-22, 08:35 AM

No, the instrument worked fine when tested on other magnets. It's strange.

Weird thing happened at lunch. Somehow, some friends and I got into a discussion about prom and swapping the dress code (dresses for men, suits for women--I have no idea why this came up because I didn't suggest it) and, aside from my deciding to annoy a teacher a little and telling people to imagine him in a bride gown (this is perfectly fair), two separate groups of people decided I would be the best looking in a dress. I'm not sure how that happened... :smallconfused:

KenderWizard

2013-04-22, 08:55 AM

Yeah, I remember you mentioning that. How's the sanity holding up? Quantum has literally driven me to tears, but presumably you're using other stuff like wave stuff and fluid mechanics (?) and soil/rock stuff.

Mostly wave stuff. Then you need to know stuff about rocks (soil is like, pfft, nothing, it's like the bacteria on the skin of the apple, if the apple is the earth and the skin and just below the skin is where you're studying) so that you can translate your wave stuff into an actual idea of what's happening.

Maybe if I'd tried beforehand, but... not really. Don't want to bother, anyway, I'll just focus on doing the write-up as well as can be expected.

Well, if you explain that you understand your problem about the insulating wire, that proves that you (a) learned and (b) understand the science, and in my school and college, that was enough to get you almost full marks.

Which meant that after the movie, I got hit by the "bathroom dilemma." I needed to go bad, but I didn't think I passed well enough to not make a disturbance in the ladies' room, but I was afraid to go into the mens' room. I just waited until I got home :smallfrown: ...

Ugh, that's so horrible! :smallfrown: Well, you know what they say; it gets better.

Also about the bathroom dilemma. I've always found it rather weird to have this split in the first place. The "ladies room" as far as I know hold no public open toilets where someone would see you naked. Anyone should be able to go in here, in theory. The "mens room" has this thingy in the open where men can stand and pee (what's it called in english?) so all in all this is more public and should thus be referred to as "be warned, you might see a penis or a person peeing". Other than that, people should be able to go where they want. I don't understand why you would be more skittish about a woman being in the room than you would be of a man. If you pee in public anyway I mean...

But then I have always been for less gender segregation in general. Or any segregation for that matter.

They're called urinals.

I agree, if you're going to have closed cubicles, especially if they're walls and not just, like, that thin plywood stuff, just have a unisex bathroom. It solves a lot of problems for a lot of people; non-gender-binary folks, unsure trans folks, parents or other little-kid-minders, carers...

*scratches head* Are transsexuals really a gender minority? They are usually either men or women I thought? And the world has about 50% of each. So that's not really a minority. Yes, they have a problem that only a minority suffers from, which can be fixed by modern day medicine, but their gender is usually one or the other? Gender minority would be if you were neither female or male I thought?

Also, pedophiles are (luckily) a sexual minority but would we really want to include them in any cause?

Ok, I might be playing Devil's advocate, I do that sometimes. :smallredface:

It depends on how you define "gender minority" but trans people certainly are a minority, because of their gender-body configuration. If you're just saying "I saw a woman yesterday wearing a pretty red hat", then there's no point specifying the "type" of woman. But if you're talking about social justice issues, then there is a point in having a separate word for trans people and cis people, because they get different treatment by society, and by erasing the word, you belittle that experience. At least that's how I see it, you know?

Also, a pedophile is only a problem if they abuse children or cause or condone children being abused. Like the way someone with a rape fantasy is only a problem if they go rape people or cause people to be raped. It's a tricky one, but also I think anyone who comes to LGBT or Sexual and Gender Minorities or whatever group and says "But what about pedophiles, huh?" as an attack is being deliberately ... a douche. #ranoutofthink

Sparkify

2013-04-22, 10:28 AM

Heliomance

2013-04-22, 11:03 AM

Well, since we were ignoring the :'s, if we want to be mathematically correct, it imples that ReLGBTAitp < 3!!/34. Now we only need 9 more equations for all those variables and we can solve the mystery once and for all! (Incidentally 9 is the amount of lives a cat have)

Actually, there's only 7 variables, 8 if you count T and t separately. As we all know, though, they're quite complex variables, so in order to compare them to the RHS, we need to take Re(LGBTAitp).

but also I think anyone who comes to LGBT or Sexual and Gender Minorities or whatever group and says "But what about pedophiles, huh?" as an attack is being deliberately ... a douche. #ranoutofthink

I've never understood what people have against foot fetishists.

HMS Sophia

2013-04-22, 11:53 AM

Looong day at work with added emotional bits because... I have no idea, my brain was being mean too me...

On the other hand, appointment with the endo arranged for may 10th, which should be... fun? No idea what will go on there, but will most likely include all sorts of fun and amusing tests...
Still, finding out what's going on would be nice huh?

Also, stayed at my mothers this weekend, and I had a nice and relaxing weekend. It was great. Really limited stress, lots of fun.

noparlpf

2013-04-22, 11:59 AM

Sure.
BF also burnt water, once.
But that is because he's a British stuck in a Frenchman's body. Nah, just kidding, he's a great cook. He did manage to burn water though. He will never live it down.
Preemptive joke dissection because my humour seems to be terribad and hermetic on the Internet: it's a joke. It's about the stereotype of the British being terrible cooks. Which is not true, being a stereotype, but it's still a thing. As to whether BF IS actually a British in a Frenchman's body, I'm afraid science hasn't advanced enough yet for us to conclusively prove or disprove it. Personally, I suspect it has to do with the tea intake of the mother during pregnancy*.

*also a joke.

I've made milk catch fire but that at least has some fats and proteins in it that can burn once you've driven off enough water...

No, the instrument worked fine when tested on other magnets. It's strange.

Weird.

Weird thing happened at lunch. Somehow, some friends and I got into a discussion about prom and swapping the dress code (dresses for men, suits for women--I have no idea why this came up because I didn't suggest it) and, aside from my deciding to annoy a teacher a little and telling people to imagine him in a bride gown (this is perfectly fair), two separate groups of people decided I would be the best looking in a dress. I'm not sure how that happened... :smallconfused:

But hey, that's good, right?
(Dress codes are dumb. If you can get me to put on shoes, quit while you're ahead and don't push your luck.)

Mostly wave stuff. Then you need to know stuff about rocks (soil is like, pfft, nothing, it's like the bacteria on the skin of the apple, if the apple is the earth and the skin and just below the skin is where you're studying) so that you can translate your wave stuff into an actual idea of what's happening.

Nifty.

They're called urinals.

I agree, if you're going to have closed cubicles, especially if they're walls and not just, like, that thin plywood stuff, just have a unisex bathroom. It solves a lot of problems for a lot of people; non-gender-binary folks, unsure trans folks, parents or other little-kid-minders, carers...

Urinals suck. And I have never had a problem with a unisex bathroom before. Well, besides scaring that freshman girl the other day because I shut off the lights on my way out and she opened the door just as I was switching off the lights and I was standing right there in the dark...but a guy might have jumped a foot in the air and squeaked too, right?

Lorsa

2013-04-22, 12:03 PM

It depends on how you define "gender minority" but trans people certainly are a minority, because of their gender-body configuration. If you're just saying "I saw a woman yesterday wearing a pretty red hat", then there's no point specifying the "type" of woman. But if you're talking about social justice issues, then there is a point in having a separate word for trans people and cis people, because they get different treatment by society, and by erasing the word, you belittle that experience. At least that's how I see it, you know?

I do not mean to erase the word or belittle any experience. I just understand "minority" as "fewer in number than those that are not". So natural blondes would be a hair-minority. Swedes would be a minority of humanity etc. The way I understood gender was that it was a mental identification which lead me to the conclusion that being a woman or man put you among the majority. Then a minority of those are born in the wrong body and those people deserve all help we as society can give.

I suppose there is a difference between how the world works and my idealistic view on things. It just seems like society has made things more complicated than they need to be.

Actually, there's only 7 variables, 8 if you count T and t separately. As we all know, though, they're quite complex variables, so in order to compare them to the RHS, we need to take Re(LGBTAitp).

I stand corrected!

Yes, trans* people are a gender minority, in more ways than one. On one hand you have the gender non-conforming people, genderqueers, agender, and neutrois, etc. people that are literally minorities in terms of numbers. If you're strictly talking about MtF and FtM people, they're still a gender minority in a way similar to how women are a minority, in that while the male and female genders are the majority, and AFAB people are the majority, trans* people and women don't have the same societal presence in terms of laws and stuff.

Ah, that kind of minority. Well, laws and stuff should be changed then. And I have no problem with treating people as a minority if they want to. My general view is to treat everyone as people and the rest is just individual differences. Sort of an inclusive view so somehow I have trouble with the minority view.

Mono Vertigo

2013-04-22, 12:15 PM

*watches TV*
Good news: the anti-gay marriage and anti-gay adoption are looking more and more crazy, and therefore less credible to the majority, here in France.
Bad news: that would be because not only homophobic assaults have been dramatically increasing, but varied threats have been made against pro-gray marriage politicians' families and lives. Also, a fistfight was started at the Parliament, following a debate on the subject. (I'm not going to mention the utter inanity of statements made by homophobes, because they're not new.) Yet, they all say that gays are going to ruin children's lives by depriving them of a parent of the other gender.
What the frak. How is threatening to kill people better than taking the risk to have socially handicapped kids*.
Advice to whoever in this thread who would like to visit France right now, especially Paris: please avoid. I'd rather not see your faces on the news because madmen had nothing better to do.
I'm serious. It's not as bad as in certain countries, of course, but it's still bad. These guys are angry. Like, frakking angry. They've stopped trying to use calmly-phrased pseudo-facts to support their opinions. They just bully whoever they can and cry against oppression when they have to face the consequences of their actions. It's not just Paris; assaults have been reported in other cities, and I don't doubt several others have gone unreported.
Good god we're so ashamed of this country right now. .____.

EDIT: those of you who are cis and straight, I'd suggest you not to come either. Mainly because Paris is severely overrated as a city, but also because it's overrun by a******s. I mean, more than usual, and these ones are organized and loud. May I suggest you visiting the quite charming and more gay-friendly city of Brussels, Belgium instead?

*from their point of view.

noparlpf

2013-04-22, 12:21 PM

Good god we're so ashamed of this country right now. .____.

EDIT: those of you who are cis and straight, I'd suggest you not to come either. Mainly because Paris is severely overrated as a city, but also because it's overrun by a******s. I mean, more than usual, and these ones are organized and loud. May I suggest you visiting the quite charming and more gay-friendly city of Brussels, Belgium instead?

Geez. That's pretty crazy.

And hmm, maybe. But I've always wanted to get in a fight with a bunch of loud angry nuts.

Raineh Daze

2013-04-22, 12:22 PM

Or go as a large group with someone as menacing-looking as possible instead? :smallconfused:

Asta Kask

2013-04-22, 12:25 PM

Good god we're so ashamed of this country right now. .____.

Don't be. We have them here too, only we've reached the point where they whine about being "silenced" because people call them out on their bigotry. You'll get there too.

I get more and more amazed at the level of cognitive dissonance these people must have. They're constantly spouting bigotry yet they insist that they are not bigots. Some go as far as inventing a world-wide conspiracy out of whole cloth. It's fascinating.

Raineh Daze

2013-04-22, 12:28 PM

I get more and more amazed at the level of cognitive dissonance these people must have. They're constantly spouting bigotry yet they insist that they are not bigots. Some go as far as inventing a world-wide conspiracy out of whole cloth. It's fascinating.

If they're pulling that off, they've eliminated cognitive dissonance, generally by warping the facts as much as possible so they're 'right'. Because apparently it's too much to be willing to change.

Philemonite

2013-04-22, 12:31 PM

In my country being gay is not really a crime, but it's very close.
People are idiots.:smallsigh:

Zorg

2013-04-22, 12:38 PM

On the other hand, appointment with the endo arranged for may 10th, which should be... fun? No idea what will go on there, but will most likely include all sorts of fun and amusing tests...
Still, finding out what's going on would be nice huh?

First visit, if it's anything like mine will be a few measurements, a general discussion of what options there are followed by lot of blood tests (eat a lot, take food), then go back again when the blood results are in.

And speaking of endos, I got my script today (also one week til tracheal shave). I also have a severe vitamin D deficiency due to basically never seeing the sun. So I can officially say my work is literally killing me now.

@ Phee - on the endo theme it might be worth investigating the endo now. I went before my psych sign off and got the initial consult and blood tests done so when the psych gave the ok it was just a matter of getting an appointment time. This is of course thinking wait times and personal scheduling might mean delays, but I'd suggest even just ringing to find out what the average booking time is (I've heard horror stories of people having to wait years, though I seriously doubt it would be that long for you).
But still, that you've been given the name is a very good sign :smallsmile:

Re, face: Prepare the laser beam, we're gonna us it tonight. Engage the laser beam, it's gonna end your (facial hair's) life. (http://youtu.be/cDIGzzeQjaE?t=2m25s)

On the other thing, well, it's still early days so don't let it get you too down, you'll be there soon :smallsmile:

As an aside, Chrysalis Lingerie (http://www.chrysalislingerie.com/) is saying their store is launching May 1st. Though they still have that f-ing awful auto-play at high volume & can't turn off music.

And speaking of music again, Chrissy Amphlett of the Divynils (http://youtu.be/DMSyumchMWA) passed away today. I remember her being a really visible kick-ass woman growing up when there were very few around. Her also being an Aussie was a bonus.

Mono Vertigo

2013-04-22, 12:38 PM

Geez. That's pretty crazy.

And hmm, maybe. But I've always wanted to get in a fight with a bunch of loud angry nuts.

Or go as a large group with someone as menacing-looking as possible instead? :smallconfused:
Perhaps not these ones. If they get their asses kicked, they will go whine and pose as martyrs. "Look, those gays lovers are violent! They attacked us! They're a threat to society!"
Either way, if you get in a fight with them, you will lose.
I mean, I thought about going over there and pissing them off, but I kinda like my teeth, and not being harassed and all, so I'll stay over here and shake my fist until it all calms down. Sorry, but at heart, I'm that cowardly rogue who only attacks her enemies, unexpectedly, in the back, with a pointy object. Preferably once they're already down. I'm not sure where I'm getting at with that simile.

Lycunadari

2013-04-22, 12:41 PM

Had a big wave of dysphoria yesterday – the worst one so far. Plus lots of anxiety about that oral English exam tomorrow. Not fun. :smallfrown:

Hi there, everybody! I had a very...swing-y week. But first:

So, the good stuff - My therapist gave me the name of an endo who is supposed to be really good. She hasn't written me a letter yet (she wants to discuss my history a bit more, first), but she gave me the name so I could get in touch and get things squared away, so that when she does write my letter, I can basically just go get my prescription. So yays! Additionally, I had my third face appointment on Saturday, and they turned up the laser strength. I don't know how well it's going yet, because the hair has yet to grow back...

Yay! :smallsmile:

The bad stuff - On Friday night, I went out to the movies. Fully dressed up; full make-up; fiddling with my hair until it probably should have fallen out; perfume; the whole works. It was my first time going out en femme, and I spent over an hour getting ready. I thought I looked pretty good, and at least somewhat passable. And it was the Day of Silence, so my voice wouldn't give me away. But once I got there, I got only two gender-specific comments: "Man," from the guy who ripped my ticket, and "Guy" from the girls at the concession stand. Obviously, I didn't pass at all.

Which meant that after the movie, I got hit by the "bathroom dilemma." I needed to go bad, but I didn't think I passed well enough to not make a disturbance in the ladies' room, but I was afraid to go into the mens' room. I just waited until I got home :smallfrown: ...

*hugs* :smallfrown:

I am not yet dead~
I can laugh and dance and sing~
I am not yet dead~
I can do the Irish thing~

So... Wow. I've been gone from here a while. >.<

Welcome back! :smallsmile:

Mein Celeste! Does this mean we're cat girls? All of us, cat girls?
Cat girls, especially the boys?

I'm not a cat girl. I'm just a cat. Or maybe a genderless cat person.

Looong day at work with added emotional bits because... I have no idea, my brain was being mean too me...

On the other hand, appointment with the endo arranged for may 10th, which should be... fun? No idea what will go on there, but will most likely include all sorts of fun and amusing tests...
Still, finding out what's going on would be nice huh?

Also, stayed at my mothers this weekend, and I had a nice and relaxing weekend. It was great. Really limited stress, lots of fun.
I'm glad your weekend was better than the last one. :smallsmile: Good luck with the endo appointment!

*snip*
That bad? That's scary. And I thought France was a more liberal country than Germany. :smalleek:

Heliomance

2013-04-22, 12:46 PM

Also, a fistfight was started at the Parliament, following a debate on the subject.

Wait - as in, in parliament? The politicians having a punch-up? O_o

Asta Kask

2013-04-22, 12:46 PM

That bad? That's scary. And I thought France was a more liberal country than Germany. :smalleek:

Laws like these are like poking at the homophobes with a very big stick. All the bugs come out of the woodwork. And they can make a lot of noise.

Plus, there's a tendency for news networks to want to be balanced (and most of the time it's good). So if there's three homophobes in the country you'll be seeing the same three faces on every show that talks about the new legislation.

Lissou

2013-04-22, 12:46 PM

*scratches head* Are transsexuals really a gender minority? They are usually either men or women I thought? And the world has about 50% of each. So that's not really a minority. Yes, they have a problem that only a minority suffers from, which can be fixed by modern day medicine, but their gender is usually one or the other? Gender minority would be if you were neither female or male I thought?

Also, pedophiles are (luckily) a sexual minority but would we really want to include them in any cause?

Ok, I might be playing Devil's advocate, I do that sometimes. :smallredface:

Well, I didn't come up with the word, so I can't explain the exact reasoning. "Gender Minority" would certainly cover genderqueer and agender at least, and it's up to trans people to say if they feel it applies to them, too. This being said, as far as their gender doesn't conform to the norm due to not matching with people's expectations, I can see it as a gender minority. Maybe "minority" is the poorly-chose word here? I'm not sure.

Sexual attractions whose target do not or cannot consent are their own thing: the attractions themselves are not the people's fault, they shouldn't be blamed for them, and they should be helped learning to live with them, controlling them and so on. People committing crimes based on these attractions are a different story, and the crimes should be punished, but I can't help but think these crimes could be prevented if people were offered help rather than being treated as equally vile whether they have acted on it or not.
I would like to specify though (and if anyone has links to these studies it would be appreciated, as I don't), that as far as I know, not only do most pedophiles never molest a child (just like most people attracted to adults never rape anyone), but most child molesters are apparently not particularly attracted to children (just like, generally, rapist are not particularly sexually attracted to their victims).
You need to remember that here the sex is the weapon more than anything. That's why some groups of people who are typically not considered more sexually appealing than average (the elderly, the physically or mentally disabled) are at much higher risks for sexual assault.

Moving on, though, if you want a completely new term, and based on your criteria, I guess there could be "Personal Identities and Mutually Consensual Relationships that Fall Outside the Norm" but it's kind of a mouthful.

HMS Sophia

2013-04-22, 12:47 PM

First visit, if it's anything like mine will be a few measurements, a general discussion of what options there are followed by lot of blood tests (eat a lot, take food), then go back again when the blood results are in.

Well I'm going for having funny hormones already rather than hormone treatment, or therapy, or whatever we call it now. But I do believe you're most likely correct ^^
(Yay blood tests, and even more yay for going straight to work afterwards...)

Asta Kask

2013-04-22, 12:47 PM

Moving on, though, if you want a completely new term, and based on your criteria, I guess there could be "Personal Identities and Mutually Consensual Relationships that Fall Outside the Norm" but it's kind of a mouthful.

The Ab-Normals?

Mono Vertigo

2013-04-22, 12:52 PM

Wait - as in, in parliament? The politicians having a punch-up? O_o
Ayup (http://www.france24.com/fr/20130419-fin-debat-mariage-gay-bagarre-ballerine).
(Apologies, I'm having trouble finding an English-speaking source on that incident, I will edit this post as soon as I find one.)
There, English source (http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2013/04/19/Same-sex-marriage-bill-provokes-fistfight-in-French-Parliament/UPI-65411366393317/).

To everyone who needs it: *hugs*

Coidzor

2013-04-22, 01:23 PM

Is Assigned Female At Birth supposed to conjure up images of surgeons operating on a newborn infant's body? I always have to remind myself that it doesn't solely refer to intersex individuals who were altered to be visibly female. :smallconfused:

That's why we should all stop believing in physics.:smalltongue:

No, no thank you.

Lorsa:
After that they made very sure that everyone was actively watching the safety video and not just pretending too. I was a bit curious as to how stupid someone that attends a rather advanced course at the university could be though. Or maybe he was just gullible?

It mostly goes to show how pernicious lies, pseudoscience, and rumor can be, despite the information available to us in this day and age.

Also about the bathroom dilemma. I've always found it rather weird to have this split in the first place. The "ladies room" as far as I know hold no public open toilets where someone would see you naked. Anyone should be able to go in here, in theory. The "mens room" has this thingy in the open where men can stand and pee (what's it called in english?) so all in all this is more public and should thus be referred to as "be warned, you might see a penis or a person peeing". Other than that, people should be able to go where they want. I don't understand why you would be more skittish about a woman being in the room than you would be of a man. If you pee in public anyway I mean...

But then I have always been for less gender segregation in general. Or any segregation for that matter.

My understanding is that a major contributor here is rape culture. So you're thinking about it in the wrong direction. It's not that men would care about a woman being in the room (although, with cultural conditioning, yes, yes they can due to performance anxiety and a myriad other factors such as the taboo itself), it's that women care about what they deem a man being around while they're vulnerable and isolated and grow up steeped in our rape culture. Thanks to rape culture, ciswomen view transwomen as potential aggressors and transwomen view cismen as potential aggressors, so it's a choice of risking being assaulted and/or raped one's self or harassed and accused of wanting to assault and/or rape others. All this while one has a full bladder and kind of needs to do something about it before it ruptures.

It's a messy, messy issue because people don't want to examine it, they just want to go with bouncing off the surface. As examining it would lead to unraveling a whole lot of preconceptions and an awareness of social ills that we actively try to suppress.

Weird thing happened at lunch. Somehow, some friends and I got into a discussion about prom and swapping the dress code (dresses for men, suits for women--I have no idea why this came up because I didn't suggest it) and, aside from my deciding to annoy a teacher a little and telling people to imagine him in a bride gown (this is perfectly fair), two separate groups of people decided I would be the best looking in a dress. I'm not sure how that happened... :smallconfused:

Any dress code that doesn't provide for kilts is a dress code that needs setting alight anyway. :smalltongue:

At least it's a compliment, eh? :smallsmile:

I've never understood what people have against foot fetishists.

Some people just can't stand that random, unpronounced a when an e can stand alone. :smalltongue:

noparlpf:
But hey, that's good, right?
(Dress codes are dumb. If you can get me to put on shoes, quit while you're ahead and don't push your luck.)

...Just... Just shoes...? :smallconfused::smalleek::smallamused:

Urinals suck. And I have never had a problem with a unisex bathroom before. Well, besides scaring that freshman girl the other day because I shut off the lights on my way out and she opened the door just as I was switching off the lights and I was standing right there in the dark...but a guy might have jumped a foot in the air and squeaked too, right?

Why's that? I mean, aside from how easily vandalized they are and that due to them you're limited to maybe 2 or 3 stalls which are almost always going to be horribly, horribly vandalized and filthy unless you're lucky enough to have the one good stall which is almost always going to have a wait to use when you use it.

Yeah, I've run into that awkward moment once or twice myself. x.x First time was kind of amusing, the same as when people started running away from me when walking my dog at night as a teenager. After about the 3rd time though it just sort of gets awkward.

Though you're not particularly likely to get a squeak out of a surprised man in that situation, as they're conditioned not to squeak in most cases, which is part of the fun of sexual experimentation for them, IIRC, finding what still can make them squeak. Sort of like tears, where if they've gone through the conditioning successfully you might be able to harvest, like, 5 tear drops before their subconscious realizes what's going on and shuts the whole thing down. Well, aside from irritants like capsaicin...

Much more likely to get a girlish scream and the slappings and the arm flailings and the potential bruises.

EDIT: those of you who are cis and straight, I'd suggest you not to come either. Mainly because Paris is severely overrated as a city, but also because it's overrun by a******s.

Granted, the closest I get to French is a couple of Scotsmen who probably fathered some children with French women, but I seem to recall that Paris and France herself have weathered worse from their children. As the urologist said to the man with a kidney stone, "this too shall pass."

I'd also recommend not going in general if you have any kind of respiratory issues as the air itself, as near as I can figure anyway, is horrible for people with allergies. Just passing through over a course of two days everyone in my tour group with respiratory issues or allergies ended up doing their best impression of Satine.

Raineh Daze

2013-04-22, 01:34 PM

Kilts are highly unlikely to make an appearance. :smalltongue:

Don't like compliments. They're weird. >.>

Lissou

2013-04-22, 01:39 PM

Is Assigned Female At Birth supposed to conjure up images of surgeons operating on a newborn infant's body? I always have to remind myself that it doesn't solely refer to intersex individuals who were altered to be visibly female. :smallconfused:

Interesting. I mostly think of it in a trans context, although it works for IS people too. I think what it is is that I think of "assigned" as "sorted into a box" or "had a label put on them", rather than "physically altered to be". Like you're assigned to a class, they don't physically operate on you so you look a specific way. You're just told "you're part of that class. Now go study there and nowhere else".

I'd also recommend not going in general if you have any kind of respiratory issues as the air itself, as near as I can figure anyway, is horrible for people with allergies. Just passing through over a course of two days everyone in my tour group with respiratory issues or allergies ended up doing their best impression of Satine.

Paris is definitely a very polluted city. Extremely dense, comparable to some places in Japan I believe. For the same reason, it can also be dirty. There are cleaning trucks, and as far as I know the percentage of the population that liters or doesn't pick up after their dogs isn't especially high, but because there are just so many people...
If you're planning on going to Paris, I suggest you avoid renting a car. Way too many cars to drive easily, and lots of small one-way streets to get lost in.

I personally love Paris, I was born there and spent the first 21 years of my life there, and when I went again for a few days, a lot of individual stores had changed (it happens fast) but it still felt like home and I immediately felt like I belonged. BUT if you're not used to it, the way people behave can seem really weird and rude. When I first went to Canada and to the US, I thought people there were rude... Now I know better. It's just a complete different way of thinking.
Some people do suck, of course.

Anyways, my other practical advice would be, when at a restaurant, order your water in jugs. You can ask "une carafe d'eau, s'il vous plaît" and they'll bring you tap water (still refrigerated, sometimes with lemon or ice in it). If you just ask for water they'll bring a bottle and you'll have to pay for it. It's one of these things I never thought about until I was with friends from another country, and it could end up costing you lots of money for no good reason if you just wanted tap water.

I believe the vote is tomorrow, isn't it? Either way, it's this week, and I can't see it not being "yes". So I'm pretty optimistic... although it is depressing to see all the anti- demonstrations. I didn't realise these people existed here too, let alone in such huge numbers :(

Mono Vertigo

2013-04-22, 01:51 PM

I'd also recommend not going in general if you have any kind of respiratory issues as the air itself, as near as I can figure anyway, is horrible for people with allergies. Just passing through over a course of two days everyone in my tour group with respiratory issues or allergies ended up doing their best impression of Satine.
That is the truth, and one of the many ways that makes Paris overrated as a touristic city. Brussels is more friendly to your lungs than Paris, too!

I believe the vote is tomorrow, isn't it? Either way, it's this week, and I can't see it not being "yes". So I'm pretty optimistic... although it is depressing to see all the anti- demonstrations. I didn't realise these people existed here too, let alone in such huge numbers :(
Yeah. The question is not so much "will they vote yes or no?", but rather "how much longer will they manage to delay that damn vote again?", as well as "how much longer will the bigots be allowed to be bullies?".
"Gay Paris" my ass. :smallannoyed:
Oh yeah there was a counter-manifestation but they were less numerous, and I suspect it's partially because pro-gray marriage/adoption, too, like having a full set of teeth, and partially because they put more importance toward being constructive members of society as opposed to wasting days and days shouting at people who you can't convert anyway.

noparlpf

2013-04-22, 02:01 PM

As an aside, Chrysalis Lingerie (http://www.chrysalislingerie.com/) is saying their store is launching May 1st. Though they still have that f-ing awful auto-play at high volume & can't turn off music.

Uhh, bottom left there's a "turn music off" option. But yeah, I don't like their website design.

Perhaps not these ones. If they get their asses kicked, they will go whine and pose as martyrs. "Look, those gays lovers are violent! They attacked us! They're a threat to society!"
Either way, if you get in a fight with them, you will lose.
I mean, I thought about going over there and pissing them off, but I kinda like my teeth, and not being harassed and all, so I'll stay over here and shake my fist until it all calms down. Sorry, but at heart, I'm that cowardly rogue who only attacks her enemies, unexpectedly, in the back, with a pointy object. Preferably once they're already down. I'm not sure where I'm getting at with that simile.

I wouldn't start something. If they start it I'm within my rights to defend myself, right?

Ayup (http://www.france24.com/fr/20130419-fin-debat-mariage-gay-bagarre-ballerine).
(Apologies, I'm having trouble finding an English-speaking source on that incident, I will edit this post as soon as I find one.)
There, English source (http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2013/04/19/Same-sex-marriage-bill-provokes-fistfight-in-French-Parliament/UPI-65411366393317/).

Wow.

noparlpf:

...Just... Just shoes...? :smallconfused::smalleek::smallamused:

Well I literally always wear pants (or shorts) unless I'm showering. I sleep in my pants (or shorts). And I usually wear a shirt.

Why's that? I mean, aside from how easily vandalized they are and that due to them you're limited to maybe 2 or 3 stalls which are almost always going to be horribly, horribly vandalized and filthy unless you're lucky enough to have the one good stall which is almost always going to have a wait to use when you use it.

Yeah, I've run into that awkward moment once or twice myself. x.x First time was kind of amusing, the same as when people started running away from me when walking my dog at night as a teenager. After about the 3rd time though it just sort of gets awkward.

Though you're not particularly likely to get a squeak out of a surprised man in that situation, as they're conditioned not to squeak in most cases, which is part of the fun of sexual experimentation for them, IIRC, finding what still can make them squeak. Sort of like tears, where if they've gone through the conditioning successfully you might be able to harvest, like, 5 tear drops before their subconscious realizes what's going on and shuts the whole thing down. Well, aside from irritants like capsaicin...

Much more likely to get a girlish scream and the slappings and the arm flailings and the potential bruises.

Urinals are gross and also they make me feel exposed.
I usually don't squeak, but I'd make some sort of sound and jump a foot in the air myself.

Mono Vertigo

2013-04-22, 02:11 PM

I wouldn't start something. If they start it I'm within my rights to defend myself, right?
Ah, but you're using logic. They'll have none of that. I know that kind of people. In their minds, if they lose, they can still paint you as the culprit, and themselves as the martyrs. And it won't matter if you're officially declared by the law to have been entirely within your rights; their friends will still mutter "They're trying to shut us up. We know what really happened, and it is that [noparlpf] overreacted and unfairly harmed our friend". And they will delve deeper into their own paradigm of ignorance and hate.
The best we can do is not give them anything that can vaguely resemble as a justification. Let's keep arresting them every time they violate a law, and treat them fairly and calmly but firmly. If they can't keep the appearance of an oppressed group under any point of view, then, they will recognize that shutting their big mouth and act like the constructive members of society they pretend they are is the best plan.

Karen Lynn

2013-04-22, 02:41 PM

Eldest

2013-04-22, 03:02 PM

Mono Vertigo

2013-04-22, 03:03 PM

Ugh. That's... I'm sorry. :smallfrown:
*hugs*

HMS Sophia

2013-04-22, 03:04 PM

On France: And here I thought my genetic programming of hatred of all things french was foolish... :P (Scotch-Irish, and a bit of Native American)
On menacing person as bodyguard: I'd love to.

Dear, you cannot beat the brit's genetic hatred for the french. After all, We were at war for a ridiculous amount of time...

As for menacing... I tower over most people I know before heels come into the equation ^^ Can't get more menacing than talking to somebodies forehead...

EDIT: I feel lik, before someone calls me a heartless cow, I should not that I didn't respond to the dysphoria because I'm already on skype... :smalleek:

noparlpf

2013-04-22, 03:21 PM

Ah, but you're using logic. They'll have none of that. I know that kind of people. In their minds, if they lose, they can still paint you as the culprit, and themselves as the martyrs. And it won't matter if you're officially declared by the law to have been entirely within your rights; their friends will still mutter "They're trying to shut us up. We know what really happened, and it is that [noparlpf] overreacted and unfairly harmed our friend". And they will delve deeper into their own paradigm of ignorance and hate.
The best we can do is not give them anything that can vaguely resemble as a justification. Let's keep arresting them every time they violate a law, and treat them fairly and calmly but firmly. If they can't keep the appearance of an oppressed group under any point of view, then, they will recognize that shutting their big mouth and act like the constructive members of society they pretend they are is the best plan.

Obviously all that makes a lot of sense. But it's more cathartic to get in a fight.

TW:Dysphoria.
I was told I'm a perfect boyfriend. Smiled and jokingly said back that the best man is a woman. They then said "Wait, you used to be a women? You did great! You're so manly now! ...

I'm just going to go over here now....

*hugs* That stinks.

Mono Vertigo

2013-04-22, 03:23 PM

Obviously all that makes a lot of sense. But it's more cathartic to get in a fight.

Story of my life, really. :smallsigh:

The Succubus

2013-04-22, 03:54 PM

Heliomance

2013-04-22, 04:18 PM

On France: And here I thought my genetic programming of hatred of all things french was foolish... :P (Scotch-Irish, and a bit of Native American)

On menacing person as bodyguard: I'd love to.

On other things....

TW:Dysphoria.
I was told I'm a perfect boyfriend. Smiled and jokingly said back that the best man is a woman. They then said "Wait, you used to be a women? You did great! You're so manly now! ...

I'm just going to go over here now....

...and the worst bit is, they thought they were being nice, and supportive. *hugs*

On the plus side, you know they don't have a problem with you being trans*, so it should be safe to talk to them and say "Actually, you got it the wrong way round. I'm going the other way."

Mystic Muse

2013-04-22, 04:50 PM

Mein Celeste! Does this mean we're cat girls? All of us, cat girls?
Cat girls, especially the boys?

Too late. I'm already a pony girl. I can't be both. That'd be like crossing the streams. Except instead of everybody being covered in marshmallow fluff, everybody would be dead.

Nobody wants that to happen.

Except maybe the Reapers.

Mionelle

2013-04-22, 04:51 PM

noparlpf

2013-04-22, 05:01 PM

I have been informed that my spirit animal is already the mouse and therefore I cannot be a catgirl or a catboy or a catanything because then I would have to hunt myself and that would be bad.
Also, tumblr is disgusting. So much porn. Eww. I did not need to see any of that.

Coidzor

2013-04-22, 05:13 PM

TW:Dysphoria.
I was told I'm a perfect boyfriend. Smiled and jokingly said back that the best man is a woman. They then said "Wait, you used to be a women? You did great! You're so manly now! ...

I'm just going to go over here now....

I'm sorry, I'm still having trouble parsing this... Was a wedding involved here?

It sounds like you could have corrected them at least, considering their reaction. Did you? :smallfrown:

EDIT: I feel lik, before someone calls me a heartless cow, I should not that I didn't respond to the dysphoria because I'm already on skype... :smalleek:

I don't think we could call you that even if someone were feeling particularly judgmental anyway. Sexist concerns, and all. :smalltongue:

I have been informed that my spirit animal is already the mouse and therefore I cannot be a catgirl or a catboy or a catanything because then I would have to hunt myself and that would be bad.

Or fun. :smallamused: (why must I be like that? why must I chase the cat?) My spirit animal is Vaudeville from what I've been able to tell. That or Burlesque. Possibly just Performance Art itself. :smalltongue:

Also, tumblr is disgusting. So much porn. Eww. I did not need to see any of that.

It's basically the mecca of Oppression Olympics and Rockabilly Porn from what I hear, aye.

HMS Sophia

2013-04-22, 05:41 PM

It's basically the mecca of Oppression Olympics and Rockabilly Porn from what I hear, aye.

I'm on there. It's... entertaining some times. Basically if I scan through it goes:
Dr Who
Dr Who
Sherlock
Porn
Music lyrics
Offensive post/ Argument about minority rights
Porn
Supernatural
Inspiring quote
Porn
Something from Japan, often a dessert
Porn

So... yeah. It's an odd little place.

Astrella

2013-04-29, 12:10 AM

Yay, forums are back! I missed all of you!

Link time: This is really neat and bittersweet. (http://cuteosphere.tumblr.com/post/48778992618/bb-gun-magic-eye-girlfriend-i-didnt-cry)

-----

Catchup time for myself: I haven't posted about this yet because I had an incredibly dark bit of dysphoria last weekend and the first half of the week following me.

And really dark... like just a constant feeling detached and horrified at myself surrounding me and feeling panicky and full of despair.

And then the forums went down so I couldn't tell it, but, but, but, I came out to my brother before that weekend and it went really well!

I went over and it took me about 20 minutes of blabbering about random things to start talking about it and I sorta started with when my feelings started surfacing again like two years and ago and if he remembered that and things like that and then trailed all the way to fully telling it and we had a really satisfying conversation and he just said all the right things, you know? Like, respecting my decision and always being there for me and we also talk about my parents and our relationship as siblings and I told him I was going to try to be a better sister for him than I was a brother and in the end we had this really big hug which had been years since that had happened. :smallsmile:

So how have all of you been?

Chess435

2013-04-29, 12:15 AM

Oh my god, the site's back up! :smallbiggrin: *runs around manically, glomping everyone*

Karen Lynn

2013-04-29, 12:17 AM

Was feeling like utter and complete **** for a while, but Cody, Sophia, and Eldest have all really helped me out. Feeling much better now.

Chess435

2013-04-29, 12:18 AM

Was feeling like utter and complete **** for a while, but Cody, Sophia, and Eldest have all really helped me out. Feeling much better now.

Yeah, that was rough. :smallfrown: Glad I could help you through it, though.

Eldest

2013-04-29, 12:20 AM

*hugs thread*
Had not realized how much I use this site till it went down.
*sits and waits for mass of returning people*

Coidzor

2013-04-29, 12:47 AM

Astrella: :smallbiggrin: Sweet! Glad to hear that things went so well with your bro.

Was feeling like utter and complete **** for a while, but Cody, Sophia, and Eldest have all really helped me out. Feeling much better now.

Glad you're feeling better. :smallsmile:

Karen Lynn

2013-04-29, 01:15 AM

Thanks!

How've you been, Coid? Also, I mentally replace your current avatar with the old on that was always shouting "Tesla!".

HMS Sophia

2013-04-29, 01:27 AM

Lentrax

2013-04-29, 02:23 AM

*is glommed by Chess.*

http://chiarisurgery.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/professor-farnsworth1.png

Good news!

We're back!

*hugs everyone*

Coidzor

2013-04-29, 02:36 AM

Oooh, purty forum...

Lots has happened in the last few. Got my actual results back, turns out my estrogen level is 25% above female baseline and 66.7% above Male absolute maximum. Getting repeat results back today.
Psych appointment tomorrow (yay...) and Endo appointment on the 10th...
It's going to be a busy couple of months.

Absolute maximum? Well there's a new concept. Hopefully busy in a good way more often than the other ways at least. :smallsmile: Hope your appointment tomorrow goes well.

Thanks!

How've you been, Coid? Also, I mentally replace your current avatar with the old on that was always shouting "Tesla!".

More'n welcome.

I'm well for the most part, thank you, though there's really not much to say and even less of it really relevant to the thread aside from something that may or may not end up being a surprise and finding out just how annoying using a pair of scissors instead of an electric hairtrimmer is for trimming hair down to a length that a razor can deal with. :smallwink:

Well, Kate Beaton is pretty awesome. :smallwink:

Heliomance

2013-04-29, 03:10 AM

Partysan

2013-04-29, 03:46 AM

YES! THREAD IS BACK!
*holds on tightly to thread*

Welcome back, all you lovely people! Have a picture of me in a party dress to celebrate :P

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/398062_10151173880626599_1758242302_n.jpg

Four cuties for the price of one - that's how you reactivate threads! Looking great, Helio!
*waits at the entrance to glomp anyone reentering*

KenderWizard

2013-04-29, 03:49 AM

Oh my gosh, I missed ye all! I've been sick all weekend.

I have already seen Iron Man 3 twice, though! :smallbiggrin:
Here's a picture:
http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr76/EmilyNeenan/Toni_and_Pepper_zps804762dd.jpg
of me as Toni Stark (aka Iron Maiden) with my personal assistant Pepper Potts, played by my real life best friend.

And then the forums went down so I couldn't tell it, but, but, but, I came out to my brother before that weekend and it went really well!

I went over and it took me about 20 minutes of blabbering about random things to start talking about it and I sorta started with when my feelings started surfacing again like two years and ago and if he remembered that and things like that and then trailed all the way to fully telling it and we had a really satisfying conversation and he just said all the right things, you know? Like, respecting my decision and always being there for me and we also talk about my parents and our relationship as siblings and I told him I was going to try to be a better sister for him than I was a brother and in the end we had this really big hug which had been years since that had happened. :smallsmile:

That's amazing, Lena! Well done! <3

Mono Vertigo

2013-04-29, 03:54 AM

*pokes*
Is this thing on?
Awwww yes it is.

Astrella

2013-04-29, 05:05 AM

Was feeling like utter and complete **** for a while, but Cody, Sophia, and Eldest have all really helped me out. Feeling much better now.

Glad you're feeling better. :smallsmile:

Astrella: :smallbiggrin: Sweet! Glad to hear that things went so well with your bro.

That's amazing, Lena! Well done! <3

Thank you! It's a huge pile of worries off my shoulders, that's for sure. :smallsmile:

(Hope you're feeling better, Kender!)

*pokes*
Is this thing on?
Awwww yes it is.

Your new avatar is really neat.

Mono Vertigo

2013-04-29, 05:15 AM

Your new avatar is really neat.
Thanks. I saw Exalted Week was probably going to win in the Avatar thread, so I thought "hey, what the hell, I'm going to research it a little and see what it's all about beside dinosaurs that excrete drugs and punching people so hard they turn into ducks and Solars out-awesoming everyone".
And now I did the research I want to play the damn game but the best I can do until the 3rd edition is published is to wipe out a Chosen of Journeys avatar.
[/FirstWorldRoleplayerProblems]

Enough about me. I'm really, really glad about your brother. Congratulations. :smallredface:

Philemonite

2013-04-29, 06:03 AM

Yay, the site is back on.:smallbiggrin:

I just started posting in this thread, and I missed you all guy and gals.:smallwink:

noparlpf

2013-04-29, 06:38 AM

Yay, site's back.

Welp, I forgot whatever it was I was going to say last week. Have a random picture.
http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb416/noparlpf/tumblr_mlsku2D4bS1qbb2wpo1_500_zps64712121.jpg (http://s1204.photobucket.com/user/noparlpf/media/tumblr_mlsku2D4bS1qbb2wpo1_500_zps64712121.jpg.htm l)

The Succubus

2013-04-29, 06:40 AM

I missed you guys and gals. <3

Karen Lynn

2013-04-29, 06:41 AM

I'm just happy my primary home is back online. :3

Mono Vertigo

2013-04-29, 06:56 AM

I missed you guys and gals. <3
So did I. :D
*hugs for those who like them, and cookies for the others*

noparlpf

2013-04-29, 06:56 AM

Catchup time for myself: I haven't posted about this yet because I had an incredibly dark bit of dysphoria last weekend and the first half of the week following me.

And really dark... like just a constant feeling detached and horrified at myself surrounding me and feeling panicky and full of despair.

And then the forums went down so I couldn't tell it, but, but, but, I came out to my brother before that weekend and it went really well!

I went over and it took me about 20 minutes of blabbering about random things to start talking about it and I sorta started with when my feelings started surfacing again like two years and ago and if he remembered that and things like that and then trailed all the way to fully telling it and we had a really satisfying conversation and he just said all the right things, you know? Like, respecting my decision and always being there for me and we also talk about my parents and our relationship as siblings and I told him I was going to try to be a better sister for him than I was a brother and in the end we had this really big hug which had been years since that had happened. :smallsmile:

So how have all of you been?

That sounds great. Congrats.

Oh my gosh, I missed ye all! I've been sick all weekend.

I have already seen Iron Man 3 twice, though! :smallbiggrin:
Here's a picture:
http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr76/EmilyNeenan/Toni_and_Pepper_zps804762dd.jpg
of me as Toni Stark (aka Iron Maiden) with my personal assistant Pepper Potts, played by my real life best friend.

That stinks.
But that sounds fun. I forgot it was coming out. I don't think it's out here for a few more days, though. Hmm.

Asta Kask

2013-04-29, 07:37 AM

And then the forums went down so I couldn't tell it, but, but, but, I came out to my brother before that weekend and it went really well!

I went over and it took me about 20 minutes of blabbering about random things to start talking about it and I sorta started with when my feelings started surfacing again like two years and ago and if he remembered that and things like that and then trailed all the way to fully telling it and we had a really satisfying conversation and he just said all the right things, you know? Like, respecting my decision and always being there for me and we also talk about my parents and our relationship as siblings and I told him I was going to try to be a better sister for him than I was a brother and in the end we had this really big hug which had been years since that had happened. :smallsmile:

So how have all of you been?

Congratulations!

I've had forum withdrawal syndrome. It's been pretty rough, but my cats have kept me company. The weather has been bad, so that's never good. But I'll live.

That guy with the glasses riffs boys beware. (http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/thatguywiththeglasses/riffs/27608-thatguyriffs-boysbeware) An anti-gay film from the 1950's, made mildly palatable by tgwtg's riffing. Dear Lord, was this what the world was like?

ScionoftheVoid

2013-04-29, 07:44 AM

*slinks into thread* Hi. *offers hugs to any who want them before curling up comfortably in a corner*

Zorg

2013-04-29, 08:51 AM

Hello thread :smallsmile:

Astrella, really glad to hear your brother was so good about thing :D Have missed y'all too, and thanks for the link, it was very nice :smallsmile:

Kender, hope you are feeling better & the outfits look good, though I was bit surprised as when I picture you I remember that photo of you as Thor, so I think of you with long blond hair - bit of a change there :smalltongue:

Helio, girl in the middle looks almost exactly like a friend of mine's sister... very disconcerting :smalleek: Any progress on the job stuff?

It has been an eventful week for me:

- Turned 30 (aka officially old/my life is over now/I made a "Zack Attack" joke at work an everyone was too young to understand (http://nonadventures.com/2012/12/01/hip-it-good/)). Had family over yesterday, which was really nice, going out with friends on Saturday and having other friends over on Sunday. Will be my first outing in girl mode, so a bit nervous but will have lots of peeps around. Expect pictures! I've spent weeks deciding what I'm going to wear :smallbiggrin:

- Had tracheal shave today. Imagine the worst sore throat you've ever had, then someone punches you in the throat. I'm basically fine now, taken no painkillers, going to have a gnarly bruise and I am talking and eating fine. Just need to be careful turning my head, coughing and such so I don't bust the stitches. Will show before & after pics later - bandage has to stay on for a week.

- Also started HRT. For those wondering it's been 3 hours and I'm still just a potatoe not noticing any major changes :smalltongue:

- And, most importantly of all, I found someone who makes cloches (http://www.etsy.com/shop/bonniesknitting) so bought myself a pair :smallbiggrin: then bought more clothes to go with them.

The Succubus

2013-04-29, 08:54 AM

Congratulations, oh Mistress of the Yellow Socks! Lots of big milestones, all in the space of a week! ^_^

SiuiS

2013-04-29, 08:57 AM

I've never understood what people have against foot fetishists.

Not sure if naive or joking XD

Also, stayed at my mothers this weekend, and I had a nice and relaxing weekend. It was great. Really limited stress, lots of fun.

Good!

I've made milk catch fire but that at least has some fats and proteins in it that can burn once you've driven off enough water...

"Burning water" is actually a thing, I found. It's when you boil the pot empty and only the trace minerals remain in a white powder... Which can then combust.

Urinals suck. And I have never had a problem with a unisex bathroom before. Well, besides scaring that freshman girl the other day because I shut off the lights on my way out and she opened the door just as I was switching off the lights and I was standing right there in the dark...but a guy might have jumped a foot in the air and squeaked too, right?

Urinals do suck. They have conditioned four generations of men into thinking spraying in the general direction of a hole in the wall I sufficient and you don't new to wash your hands or flush.

Also, yes. An then punch you.
But since a girl might have also punched you, it's even.

, a fistfight was started at the Parliament, following a debate on the subject. (I'm not going to mention the utter inanity of statements made by homophobes, because they're not new.) Yet, they all say that gays are going to ruin children's lives by depriving them of a parent of the other gender.
What the frak. How is threatening to kill people better than taking the risk to have socially handicapped kids*.

This is ironic, because its actually better for kids to have two parents than it is to have only one, and there's no magical guarantee or correlation between gay rights an successful heterosexual relationships. Odds are if a father turns out to be a gay man, the kid benefits more from him having a husband than being denied that connection.

Geez. That's pretty crazy.

And hmm, maybe. But I've always wanted to get in a fight with a bunch of loud angry nuts.

Nah. It's not that fun.

Or go as a large group with someone as menacing-looking as possible instead? :smallconfused:

Bring the technoviking!

Wait - as in, in parliament? The politicians having a punch-up? O_o

"what!?" Carlsberg screamed, bits of spittle flying from under his mustaches. "you take that back!"

"Never!" His opponent cried. "Never will your tax exemptions win you the love o the people you so desperately crave!"

Carlsberg huffed, and puffed, and grew. Inflating like a big, red faced hot air balloon, he pulled his jacket off with suck force and alacrity that his handkerchief spun in place for a moment like a novelty flower. "Those are fighting words, Jorgunsun! We decide this... Like men!"

Jorgunsun, jacket already neatly folded over his chair, smiled. A grim smile, a crooked line of thin lipped wrath beneath his hooked nose. He tucked his monocle gently – almost, one could say, daintily – into his shirt pocket before ripping the whole of the garnet from himself, as if the waistcoat didn't exist. He breathed in once, his hairy chest rising like the forward P-wave of a highland hillside in quake, before exhaling with force that would fell lesser men.

"Bully."

Is Assigned Female At Birth supposed to conjure up images of surgeons operating on a newborn infant's body? I always have to remind myself that it doesn't solely refer to intersex individuals who were altered to be visibly female. :smallconfused:

Nah. The point is to refer to cis females. You are birthed, picked up by a doctor, smacked, and assigned your gender on paperwork sometime thereafter. From that point on, regardless of what you yourself may say think or feel, you are that assigned gender until you file to change it.

You've been systematized.

I wouldn't start something. If they start it I'm within my rights to defend myself, right?

Nope! That's not even true in all parts of your own country, let alone another. Plus, with uneven law enforcement, you may take the brunt of things.

Thanks. I saw Exalted Week was probably going to win in the Avatar thread, so I thought "hey, what the hell, I'm going to research it a little and see what it's all about beside dinosaurs that excrete drugs and punching people so hard they turn into ducks and Solars out-awesoming everyone".
And now I did the research I want to play the damn game but the best I can do until the 3rd edition is published is to wipe out a Chosen of Journeys avatar.
[/FirstWorldRoleplayerProblems]

Exalted! Is a game I almost played but stopped because this one guy Would. Not. Shut. Up. about the in-jokes and I realized that I was never going Rodius someone to play the Flicking game with! I may as well just play D&D with a monk who has baleful polymorph (duck only) as an at will SLA.

By which I mean, you could probably organize a few newbies here on the playground for a game that isn't all "LoL ARMY IS PANTS". I'd join :smallsmile:
Lets just not make this one LGBT themed? It makes us look cliquish.

And yes! Awesome avvie, I appreciate the arm count.

Mono Vertigo

2013-04-29, 09:29 AM

This is ironic, because its actually better for kids to have two parents than it is to have only one, and there's no magical guarantee or correlation between gay rights an successful heterosexual relationships. Odds are if a father turns out to be a gay man, the kid benefits more from him having a husband than being denied that connection.

Again, you're trying to bring logic. Won't do.

By the way, the law project has passed. The reactive explosion I expected did not really happen, surprisingly. Still consider my warning valid for one week or two.

"what!?" Carlsberg screamed, bits of spittle flying from under his mustaches. "you take that back!"

"Never!" His opponent cried. "Never will your tax exemptions win you the love o the people you so desperately crave!"

Carlsberg huffed, and puffed, and grew. Inflating like a big, red faced hot air balloon, he pulled his jacket off with suck force and alacrity that his handkerchief spun in place for a moment like a novelty flower. "Those are fighting words, Jorgunsun! We decide this... Like men!"

Jorgunsun, jacket already neatly folded over his chair, smiled. A grim smile, a crooked line of thin lipped wrath beneath his hooked nose. He tucked his monocle gently – almost, one could say, daintily – into his shirt pocket before ripping the whole of the garnet from himself, as if the waistcoat didn't exist. He breathed in once, his hairy chest rising like the forward P-wave of a highland hillside in quake, before exhaling with force that would fell lesser men.

"Bully."

If only that was how it happened. It would at least have been entertaining instead of merely bringing shameful consternation.

Exalted! Is a game I almost played but stopped because this one guy Would. Not. Shut. Up. about the in-jokes and I realized that I was never going Rodius someone to play the Flicking game with! I may as well just play D&D with a monk who has baleful polymorph (duck only) as an at will SLA.

By which I mean, you could probably organize a few newbies here on the playground for a game that isn't all "LoL ARMY IS PANTS". I'd join :smallsmile:
Lets just not make this one LGBT themed? It makes us look cliquish.

And yes! Awesome avvie, I appreciate the arm count.

That's good, because I try to keep in-jokes outside of games and serious discussions. :smallbiggrin:
I'll probably think about that once 3rd edition comes. Like the avatar indicates, I'd really, really be thrilled with playing a Sidereal, but I've learnt to accept they simply won't arrive before a while, and that making an interesting character who happens to be also a Solar may also be fun.

Arm count is vital to my avatars. Like Succubus' not-very-Lawful-Good sexiness and KenderWizard's Kenderness are key.
And I'm totally a Chosen of Journeys. People don't notice I'm there, don't remember me after I leave, the weird coincidences around me could as well be blamed on fate, I never get lost, and I warp laws of physics when I travel. Then there's the part I might as well work on for real, the one where I also help others on their own journeys, but that goal is in no way new.
Disclaimer: I've never punched people into ducks. I haven't got the slightest clue how bureaucracy works.

Astrella

2013-04-29, 09:34 AM

Thanks everyone. :smallsmile:

(and I missed the thread a ton too. It also made me notice how often I open gitp tabs. So many pages with errors open. >.> )

Linky (http://malefeminist.tumblr.com/image/48799286660) for the Kenderhive and everyone else.

Thanks. I saw Exalted Week was probably going to win in the Avatar thread, so I thought "hey, what the hell, I'm going to research it a little and see what it's all about beside dinosaurs that excrete drugs and punching people so hard they turn into ducks and Solars out-awesoming everyone".
And now I did the research I want to play the damn game but the best I can do until the 3rd edition is published is to wipe out a Chosen of Journeys avatar.
[/FirstWorldRoleplayerProblems]

Enough about me. I'm really, really glad about your brother. Congratulations. :smallredface:

Exalted sounds quite interesting. I really liked Keychain of Creation when it ran and The Rose Dragon is trying to drag me into a game already. :smalltongue:

Thank you. :smallsmile:

That guy with the glasses riffs boys beware. (http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/thatguywiththeglasses/riffs/27608-thatguyriffs-boysbeware) An anti-gay film from the 1950's, made mildly palatable by tgwtg's riffing. Dear Lord, was this what the world was like?

Hmm, I liked the video itself (the jokes) but the video it's mocking is really disconcerting. And the sad thing is that there's still plenty of people who think like that. :c

Hello thread :smallsmile:

Astrella, really glad to hear your brother was so good about thing :D Have missed y'all too, and thanks for the link, it was very nice :smallsmile:

Thank you. It was really nice and a big relief. :smallsmile:

- Turned 30 (aka officially old/my life is over now/I made a "Zack Attack" joke at work an everyone was too young to understand (http://nonadventures.com/2012/12/01/hip-it-good/)). Had family over yesterday, which was really nice, going out with friends on Saturday and having other friends over on Sunday. Will be my first outing in girl mode, so a bit nervous but will have lots of peeps around. Expect pictures! I've spent weeks deciding what I'm going to wear :smallbiggrin:

- Had tracheal shave today. Imagine the worst sore throat you've ever had, then someone punches you in the throat. I'm basically fine now, taken no painkillers, going to have a gnarly bruise and I am talking and eating fine. Just need to be careful turning my head, coughing and such so I don't bust the stitches. Will show before & after pics later - bandage has to stay on for a week.

- Also started HRT. For those wondering it's been 3 hours and I'm still just a potatoe not noticing any major changes :smalltongue:

- And, most importantly of all, I found someone who makes cloches (http://www.etsy.com/shop/bonniesknitting) so bought myself a pair :smallbiggrin: then bought more clothes to go with them.

Ooh, happy birthday!

I hope that outing goes well and you have a great time. :)

Also hope you recover from surgery soon. I have to admit that I'm a teensy bit curious to see the results. (I really don't like my adam's apple myself. >.> )

Also congratulations on starting HRT, I hope you'll get to notice the effects really soon! :smallsmile:

Asta Kask

2013-04-29, 09:39 AM

Hmm, I liked the video itself (the jokes) but the video it's mocking is really disconcerting. And the sad thing is that there's still plenty of people who think like that. :c

TGWTG is... fairly good. He's onboard with the notion that homophobia is bad. But he makes too many "of course, she used to be a man back then" jokes for me. Not a lot of them, but enough to disturb me. I've thought about contacting him but I haven't run up the energy yet. So... yeah.

Edit: I should clarify that. My depression has gotten worse over the last few weeks, as it is wont to do at this time of year. I have a very limited supply of energy to actually do stuff, and I must prioritize. Writing here takes almost nothing, but starting a conflict on another website? That would be too much.

Astrella

2013-04-29, 09:50 AM

TGWTG is... fairly good. He's onboard with the notion that homophobia is bad. But he makes too many "of course, she used to be a man back then" jokes for me. Not a lot of them, but enough to disturb me. I've thought about contacting him but I haven't run up the energy yet. So... yeah.

Edit: I should clarify that. My depression has gotten worse over the last few weeks, as it is wont to do at this time of year. I have a very limited supply of energy to actually do stuff, and I must prioritize. Writing here takes almost nothing, but starting a conflict on another website? That would be too much.

Oh, no, don't feel like you are obliged to do so. I'm sorry to hear that your depression has gotten worse though and I hope it passes soon. :smallfrown:

(I'm a decent fan of him (and Nostalgia Chick) and yeah, he says iffy stuff reasonably often but I also find him entertaining, so it's a bit of a double-edged sword.)

Heliomance

2013-04-29, 09:52 AM

Not sure if naive or joking XD

Protesting incorrect spelling. The a is important, dammit! It changes the meaning!

A pedophile is, etymologically, someone sexually attracted to feet. It needs the a in it.

Lycunadari

2013-04-29, 09:55 AM

I missed you all so much *hugs and cake for those who like them*

Yay, forums are back! I missed all of you!

Link time: This is really neat and bittersweet. (http://cuteosphere.tumblr.com/post/48778992618/bb-gun-magic-eye-girlfriend-i-didnt-cry)

Aw, that's really cute.

Catchup time for myself: I haven't posted about this yet because I had an incredibly dark bit of dysphoria last weekend and the first half of the week following me.

And really dark... like just a constant feeling detached and horrified at myself surrounding me and feeling panicky and full of despair.

And then the forums went down so I couldn't tell it, but, but, but, I came out to my brother before that weekend and it went really well!

I went over and it took me about 20 minutes of blabbering about random things to start talking about it and I sorta started with when my feelings started surfacing again like two years and ago and if he remembered that and things like that and then trailed all the way to fully telling it and we had a really satisfying conversation and he just said all the right things, you know? Like, respecting my decision and always being there for me and we also talk about my parents and our relationship as siblings and I told him I was going to try to be a better sister for him than I was a brother and in the end we had this really big hug which had been years since that had happened. :smallsmile:

So how have all of you been?
*hugs* Congratulations! I'm glad he reacted so well. :smallsmile:

Was feeling like utter and complete **** for a while, but Cody, Sophia, and Eldest have all really helped me out. Feeling much better now.
*late hugs*

Oooh, purty forum...

Lots has happened in the last few. Got my actual results back, turns out my estrogen level is 25% above female baseline and 66.7% above Male absolute maximum. Getting repeat results back today.
Psych appointment tomorrow (yay...) and Endo appointment on the 10th...
It's going to be a busy couple of months.
Do you know now what causes these high estrogen levels?

Oh my gosh, I missed ye all! I've been sick all weekend.

Hope you're feeling better!

- Turned 30 (aka officially old/my life is over now/I made a "Zack Attack" joke at work an everyone was too young to understand (http://nonadventures.com/2012/12/01/hip-it-good/)). Had family over yesterday, which was really nice, going out with friends on Saturday and having other friends over on Sunday. Will be my first outing in girl mode, so a bit nervous but will have lots of peeps around. Expect pictures! I've spent weeks deciding what I'm going to wear :smallbiggrin:

- Had tracheal shave today. Imagine the worst sore throat you've ever had, then someone punches you in the throat. I'm basically fine now, taken no painkillers, going to have a gnarly bruise and I am talking and eating fine. Just need to be careful turning my head, coughing and such so I don't bust the stitches. Will show before & after pics later - bandage has to stay on for a week.

- Also started HRT. For those wondering it's been 3 hours and I'm still just a potatoe not noticing any major changes :smalltongue:

- And, most importantly of all, I found someone who makes cloches (http://www.etsy.com/shop/bonniesknitting) so bought myself a pair :smallbiggrin: then bought more clothes to go with them.
Happy birthday! And congratulations! :smallsmile:

Hm, I had something else to write, what was it? *thinkthinkthink* Ah, yes. My mother confused me for my brother (who is in Australia, so not likely to show up. :smalltongue: ) last week. :smallbiggrin: I was sitting in the kitchen, she comes in, looks confused, then says: "For a moment I thought [brother's name] is sitting there!" And I hadn't even tried too hard to look androgynous, because we were at my grandparents'. I just had my hair parted in the middle and in a low ponytail (like my brother always has his hair) and wore a baggy t-shirt. :smallsmile:

SaintRidley

2013-04-29, 10:15 AM

Protesting incorrect spelling. The a is important, dammit! It changes the meaning!

A pedophile is, etymologically, someone sexually attracted to feet. It needs the a in it.

Actually, the a can prevent confusion, but pedophilia is etymologically someone attracted to young boys (ped(o)-, originally the Greek pais (genitive paidos). In English the a was added later, and the original spelling followed the French pédophile (in short, we borrowed this Greek word from Latin).

Following, say, pedicure, a foot fetishist would be a pediphile. We use the o in pedo- and the i in pedi- when they come before a consonant. So the only real issue is when you have the prefix before a vowel. So, ped(i/o)phile is not problematic. Pederast, however, is.

Hooray for etymologies!

Lentrax

2013-04-29, 10:27 AM

@Zorg: Turning old sucks. I made reference to Short Circut the other day. No one understood. *sigh*

Good to hear about positive things though! Makes getting old not so bad, ya?

@Astella. Thanks for that. So true. But wouldn't eliminating oppression just be oppressing it?

We need an Oppressing oppression support group! :smallamused:

And Helio, I like the picture, but who's the girl in pink? She is sexy. :smallwink:

noparlpf

2013-04-29, 10:30 AM

- Turned 30 (aka officially old/my life is over now/I made a "Zack Attack" joke at work an everyone was too young to understand (http://nonadventures.com/2012/12/01/hip-it-good/)). Had family over yesterday, which was really nice, going out with friends on Saturday and having other friends over on Sunday. Will be my first outing in girl mode, so a bit nervous but will have lots of peeps around. Expect pictures! I've spent weeks deciding what I'm going to wear :smallbiggrin:

- Had tracheal shave today. Imagine the worst sore throat you've ever had, then someone punches you in the throat. I'm basically fine now, taken no painkillers, going to have a gnarly bruise and I am talking and eating fine. Just need to be careful turning my head, coughing and such so I don't bust the stitches. Will show before & after pics later - bandage has to stay on for a week.

- Also started HRT. For those wondering it's been 3 hours and I'm still just a potatoe not noticing any major changes :smalltongue:

- And, most importantly of all, I found someone who makes cloches (http://www.etsy.com/shop/bonniesknitting) so bought myself a pair :smallbiggrin: then bought more clothes to go with them.

Happy birthday, and congrats!

TGWTG is... fairly good. He's onboard with the notion that homophobia is bad. But he makes too many "of course, she used to be a man back then" jokes for me. Not a lot of them, but enough to disturb me. I've thought about contacting him but I haven't run up the energy yet. So... yeah.

Edit: I should clarify that. My depression has gotten worse over the last few weeks, as it is wont to do at this time of year. I have a very limited supply of energy to actually do stuff, and I must prioritize. Writing here takes almost nothing, but starting a conflict on another website? That would be too much.

That stinks. Sorry to hear it.
If I remember to watch it and think it's worth starting something, maybe I'll do it for you.

Mina Kobold

2013-04-29, 10:49 AM

It's back! It's back! It'sback! ^_^

*Hugs all of the thread tightly with an alternative of cookies*

I missed everybody. :smallfrown::smallsmile:

To avoid getting long-winded and end up talking about pancake-parrots:

@Helio: Yay, picture! You look like it was a fun night. :3

@Musashi: Eeeeep! I am glad I was travelling in a large group in the Easter-vacation. ._.

@Zorg: I only know the name Zack Attack from Sky High... Sorries! i am sure i make references that young people don't get either! >_<

@Exalted: If we have an Exalted game, can I try too? I have never tried it, but it sounds so fun and I really liked Keychain of Creation (Though it probably does not convey the work involved in playing it. ^_^') ^_^

@Everybody-I-missed: Hugs, cookies, comfort and congratulations for everybody who needs them. People have had great news and bad news, and I sincerely hope the bad ones will soon be overshadowed by new great ones. :smallsmile:

Mynxae

2013-04-29, 11:03 AM

An interesting week I've had. Gather round kids, it's time for Myn's tales!

- Had a few anxiety attacks, from certain situations.

- Have a guy currently stringing me along who is once again distance so therefore I'm going crazy thinking if it's the right thing, which I'm fairly sure it isn't and I'm confused and yeah. :smalleek:

- A friend's cat needs to be put down within the week for health issues so I need to rush off to visit him and his cat to see the cat one more time and console him through the hard time.

- Still finding it hard to get over Chessy. I'll always love him, I'll always have a special place for him. Wish it could've worked out. :smallfrown:

- Been feeling especially lonely and/or depressed lately. Dunno why. Might have something to do with suddenly going off of my anti-depressants a few weeks ago 'cause I couldn't afford them (bills came in all at the same time, first ever happened >.<) and yeah >.>

- Moved back to my old place with my old bestie Nathan. Good fun. Cheaper rent. ^_^

- And a completely random thing: I'm getting an xbox 360 in a few weeks when I can save up enough for it. :smalltongue:

Glad to be back! :smallbiggrin:

noparlpf

2013-04-29, 11:06 AM

Guess who bombed a P-Chem exam~~
I might have gotten like, five point, tops. Well, there goes the Chem major idea. Guess I can do Biochem instead.

Asta Kask

2013-04-29, 11:17 AM

If you need help with Biochem you can PM me.

Lissou

2013-04-29, 11:18 AM

Protesting incorrect spelling. The a is important, dammit! It changes the meaning!

A pedophile is, etymologically, someone sexually attracted to feet. It needs the a in it.

SaintRidley mentioned pedo/pedi, but I'll also add that there is also ped/pod (as in, pediatrician vs podiatrist). Also, it's not a+e, it's æ, which is its own letter. So saying "the a is important" is a bit like saying "the second (or first) n is important" to someone who used an N instead of an M. It's not n+n, it's m.

Letters such as æ and œ have been pushed off of the language because of how rare they are. I can see the logic in that, personally.

Glad to be back! Had a hell of a week, it will be nice to see you guys again. Had the French same-sex marriage and adoption bill passed yet when the website stopped working? Because it totally has, almost a week ago.

noparlpf

2013-04-29, 11:20 AM

If you need help with Biochem you can PM me.

Thanks. I'll be taking Biochem I and Cell Bio in the summer (plus Classical Mythology, Evolution, and a more advanced neurobio course), Inorganic and Biochem lab in the fall, and Biochem II in the spring. Whee. At least those shouldn't have as much math I never learned... ;-;

Asta Kask

2013-04-29, 11:48 AM

Oh, no, don't feel like you are obliged to do so. I'm sorry to hear that your depression has gotten worse though and I hope it passes soon. :smallfrown:

I like to recommend such sites too my friends, but I prefer if I can recommend them without having to say "occasional trans-ignorance" (I don't think it's really transphobia, he just isn't aware how hurtful such remarks can be).

This mood slump will pass as summer draws closer, but I'm coming to grips with the fact that I'll probably never be fully restored. But there are new treatments on the horizon (deep brain stimulation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_brain_stimulation), for instance, looks promising). I've heard they'll be starting large-scale trials in a few years, so... we'll see.

Thanks. I'll be taking Biochem I and Cell Bio in the summer (plus Classical Mythology, Evolution, and a more advanced neurobio course), Inorganic and Biochem lab in the fall, and Biochem II in the spring. Whee. At least those shouldn't have as much math I never learned... ;-;

Have you looked at khan academy (https://www.khanacademy.org/library)?

Chess435

2013-04-29, 11:50 AM

- Still finding it hard to get over Chessy. I'll always love him, I'll always have a special place for him. Wish it could've worked out. :smallfrown:

D'awwwww. <3

SaintRidley

2013-04-29, 11:57 AM

an N instead of an M. It's not n+n, it's m.

Letters such as æ and œ have been pushed off of the language because of how rare they are. I can see the logic in that, personally.

Yeah, I didn't really want to get into ligatures too.

Arachu

2013-04-29, 12:04 PM

TW:Dysphoria.
I was told I'm a perfect boyfriend. Smiled and jokingly said back that the best man is a woman. They then said "Wait, you used to be a women? You did great! You're so manly now! ...

I'm just going to go over here now....

*So many hugs*

Was feeling like utter and complete **** for a while, but Cody, Sophia, and Eldest have all really helped me out. Feeling much better now.

Yay~ :smallsmile:

Link time: This is really neat and bittersweet. (http://cuteosphere.tumblr.com/post/48778992618/bb-gun-magic-eye-girlfriend-i-didnt-cry)

:3
:c

I think I've actually been really lucky - nobody seems to react aside from some odd looks (which are getting more rare, and are probably in response to how oddly I dressed when I first got my clothes). Occasionally somebody will call me "hon", which I think is more for girls around here.

I figure either everybody can tell I'm a girl, or they don't care. :smalltongue:

Catchup time for myself: I haven't posted about this yet because I had an incredibly dark bit of dysphoria last weekend and the first half of the week following me.

And really dark... like just a constant feeling detached and horrified at myself surrounding me and feeling panicky and full of despair.

Aww. *So many hugs*

And then the forums went down so I couldn't tell it, but, but, but, I came out to my brother before that weekend and it went really well!

I went over and it took me about 20 minutes of blabbering about random things to start talking about it and I sorta started with when my feelings started surfacing again like two years and ago and if he remembered that and things like that and then trailed all the way to fully telling it and we had a really satisfying conversation and he just said all the right things, you know? Like, respecting my decision and always being there for me and we also talk about my parents and our relationship as siblings and I told him I was going to try to be a better sister for him than I was a brother and in the end we had this really big hug which had been years since that had happened. :smallsmile:

That's great~! :smallbiggrin:

*slinks into thread* Hi. *offers hugs to any who want them before curling up comfortably in a corner*

*Snuggles~*

It has been an eventful week for me:

- Turned 30 (aka officially old/my life is over now/I made a "Zack Attack" joke at work an everyone was too young to understand (http://nonadventures.com/2012/12/01/hip-it-good/)). Had family over yesterday, which was really nice, going out with friends on Saturday and having other friends over on Sunday. Will be my first outing in girl mode, so a bit nervous but will have lots of peeps around. Expect pictures! I've spent weeks deciding what I'm going to wear :smallbiggrin:

- Had tracheal shave today. Imagine the worst sore throat you've ever had, then someone punches you in the throat. I'm basically fine now, taken no painkillers, going to have a gnarly bruise and I am talking and eating fine. Just need to be careful turning my head, coughing and such so I don't bust the stitches. Will show before & after pics later - bandage has to stay on for a week.

- Also started HRT. For those wondering it's been 3 hours and I'm still just a potatoe not noticing any major changes :smalltongue:

- And, most importantly of all, I found someone who makes cloches (http://www.etsy.com/shop/bonniesknitting) so bought myself a pair :smallbiggrin: then bought more clothes to go with them.

Awesome. ^_^

Hope you notice the effects soon~

An interesting week I've had. Gather round kids, it's time for Myn's tales!

- Had a few anxiety attacks, from certain situations.

- Have a guy currently stringing me along who is once again distance so therefore I'm going crazy thinking if it's the right thing, which I'm fairly sure it isn't and I'm confused and yeah. :smalleek:

- A friend's cat needs to be put down within the week for health issues so I need to rush off to visit him and his cat to see the cat one more time and console him through the hard time.

- Still finding it hard to get over Chessy. I'll always love him, I'll always have a special place for him. Wish it could've worked out. :smallfrown:

- Been feeling especially lonely and/or depressed lately. Dunno why. Might have something to do with suddenly going off of my anti-depressants a few weeks ago 'cause I couldn't afford them (bills came in all at the same time, first ever happened >.<) and yeah >.>

*Hugs you close*

- Moved back to my old place with my old bestie Nathan. Good fun. Cheaper rent. ^_^

- And a completely random thing: I'm getting an xbox 360 in a few weeks when I can save up enough for it. :smalltongue:

Glad to be back! :smallbiggrin:

X3

Guess who bombed a P-Chem exam~~
I might have gotten like, five point, tops. Well, there goes the Chem major idea. Guess I can do Biochem instead.

Yay~ - or wait, *hugs* >.>

~Bianca

HMS Sophia

2013-04-29, 12:24 PM

On the absolute max thing, it's just what the doc said. Yes, it was most likely hyperbolic :smalltongue: hush.

Do you know now what causes these high estrogen levels?

It could be... basically anything?
Inter-sex conditions, Non-malignant tumours, Malignant tumours... there's a good range of stuff :smalltongue:

Heliomance

2013-04-29, 12:42 PM

SaintRidley mentioned pedo/pedi, but I'll also add that there is also ped/pod (as in, pediatrician vs podiatrist). Also, it's not a+e, it's æ, which is its own letter. So saying "the a is important" is a bit like saying "the second (or first) n is important" to someone who used an N instead of an M. It's not n+n, it's m.

Letters such as æ and œ have been pushed off of the language because of how rare they are. I can see the logic in that, personally.

To be replaced, at least in British English, by the two letters in most cases. We still say encyclopaedia, for instance. Or manoeuvre.

I'll concede to SaintRidley's thorough exploration of the etymology, but I'm not giving you that point :P

Kindablue

2013-04-29, 12:46 PM

SaintRidley

2013-04-29, 12:47 PM

To be replaced, at least in British English, by the two letters in most cases. We still say encyclopaedia, for instance. Or manoeuvre.

I'll concede to SaintRidley's thorough exploration of the etymology, but I'm not giving you that point :P

You should work on reintroducing the ligatures back into British usage. They're pretty awesome.

Heliomance

2013-04-29, 12:51 PM

Sadly even the double letters are falling out of usage now, in favour of the American spellings. I consider myself to have a large vocabulary, and be good at spelling, and I couldn't remember how to spell manoeuvre. I imagine most people younger than my grandparents, maybe my parents, would spell it maneuver.

Hearteningly, though, my UK English spell-checker doesn't recognise "maneuver". Or "spellchecker", for that matter. It demands I hyphenate it.

Mina Kobold

2013-04-29, 01:46 PM

If it helps, Danish (and Norwegian, I believe) still uses æ in a large number of words, including Encyclopædi.

the spelling of everything else is quite odd and nonsensical, though(e.g. Manøvre). ^_^'

On that note, is it odd that manoeuvre is how I would normally try to spell it? :3

This makes me wonder if there are any words for sexual, romantic, gender or similar identities that begin with æ or œ... Mmmrrrr, I can't think of any. >_<

Lissou

2013-04-29, 01:58 PM

Since we're talking about language, and this is the LGBT+ thread, I would like to point out that it always bugs me when people make fun of the word "asexual" saying it makes them think of asexual reproduction. Because French has two words (asexuel(le) for the orientation and asexué(e) for the lack of sex in a species) it's just not something I fully understand people being confused about.
On the other hand I do find it odd that the same word is used for both in English.

I know that some words, such as manœuvre/manoeuvre/maneuvre have two different solutions for not using the ligature: replacing it with two letters, or replacing it with just E. However, I feel that correcting people using one of these replacement method by telling them the other one is the "right one" is misguided. They're either both right or both wrong, from my point of view, and equally so. Both of them are a solution people have found in order to make some words' spelling easier (plus you probably don't have the right keys on your keyboard either). Wanting to keep with the original spelling is fine, and preferring one of the adapted spellings is fine too, but I'm afraid I just can't support correcting someone's adapted spelling with the other adapted spelling.

noparlpf

2013-04-29, 02:01 PM

Asta Kask

2013-04-29, 02:46 PM

It's a way to break the ice and make people less nervous.

Lissou

2013-04-29, 03:54 PM

Oh, I understand it makes sense to be confused when it's the same word, and I'm fine with aces making jokes about it. It's just annoying when sexuals try to use it as an "argument" for why asexuality isn't real/natural/healthy. I keep wanting to point out, it's not asexual people's fault if the language you're speaking is confusing.

SaintRidley

2013-04-29, 03:55 PM

It's a way to break the ice and make people less nervous.

Now I want to walk into a room and announce "Hide your feet! Someone in this room is asexual pediphile!" and then wander off while they try to sort out what's going on.

bluewind95

2013-04-29, 03:55 PM

Hi guys! Long time no see, huh? I've been in a bit of a hiatus cos there was drama to deal with elsewhere and I was too drained to deal with much else. But I missed you guys SO MUCH. So I'm back, drama or no!

So what did I miss?

Lissou

2013-04-29, 03:57 PM

Coidzor

2013-04-29, 03:58 PM

Since we're talking about language, and this is the LGBT+ thread, I would like to point out that it always bugs me when people make fun of the word "asexual" saying it makes them think of asexual reproduction. Because French has two words (asexuel(le) for the orientation and asexué(e) for the lack of sex in a species) it's just not something I fully understand people being confused about.
On the other hand I do find it odd that the same word is used for both in English.

Getting past the "this person is speaking gibberish," it seems like just imagining a large enough group of people that they couldn't be readily suppressed using one for both and the confusion that would result would work as one path to grokking it a bit more.

I have to admit, I'd have preferred some other term though. Or to be able to bud off mini-mes. Preferably with some form of mad cackling and "attack my minions! attack!"

noparlpf

2013-04-29, 04:09 PM

Oh yeah. Did I mention before the forum went down, that a friend and I made a joke "porn" folder on my computer? Bunch of pictures of things budding or mitotically dividing or whatnot. We watched Mulan last week when I went up to visit, so I open my hard drive on my friend's computer, and my old roommate who's also watching with us is like, wait, you of all people have porn on your computer? Success.

Eldest

2013-04-29, 04:36 PM

The Succubus

2013-04-29, 04:56 PM

You missed the forums not working for about a week and starting to work again today :P

So *that's* why the forum exploded. This place really does fall down without Blue around. :smalleek:

noparlpf

2013-04-29, 05:25 PM

... did he look in it? Or rather, did you show him the contents? Because that would have been hilarious...

Yeah, I showed him. I also have a nested "hentai" folder for like, textbook illustrations instead of photographs.

Akowrules

2013-04-29, 07:03 PM

Hello collective amazing people!! So much has happened last week that I nearly had a mental breakdown (which, thankfully, I did not have). First, I had the ACT, which was a LOT harder than I thought (even after all that ACT prep I took). Then, the next day, I had the PSAE (Prairie State Achievement Exams). After the PSAE, on the same day, I had my final gymnastics meet. We had only four guys, since most of the JV team has dropped like flies because of grades, quitting, and injuries, but mostly injuries. We came in ninth overall out of eleven teams, which is pretty good since all the teams had twice or more than the amount of people we had. All four of us placed on events, which was great! I came in third on vault, while Victor (he's the cute guy I have a massive crush on. He's also the guy that got caught in that tumbling belt and had to strip to almost nothing to get out of it) had gotten second. We were beaten by a guy who did a Tsukahara, which was pretty unfair, since that is really above JV level. Oh! and I'm also going to prom with a friend! So much fun! :smallbiggrin: :smallbiggrin:

Me on floor:
http://i1291.photobucket.com/albums/b560/Akowrules/image_zpsd54d4d52.jpg (http://s1291.photobucket.com/user/Akowrules/media/image_zpsd54d4d52.jpg.html)

Me on rings:
http://i1291.photobucket.com/albums/b560/Akowrules/image_zps2195f97f.jpg (http://s1291.photobucket.com/user/Akowrules/media/image_zps2195f97f.jpg.html)

Me on vault:
http://i1291.photobucket.com/albums/b560/Akowrules/image_zps1a68651c.jpg (http://s1291.photobucket.com/user/Akowrules/media/image_zps1a68651c.jpg.html)

Me at awards for vault:
http://i1291.photobucket.com/albums/b560/Akowrules/image_zps77988e56.jpg (http://s1291.photobucket.com/user/Akowrules/media/image_zps77988e56.jpg.html)

Victor is on the third place spot :smallbiggrin: although, now that I think about it, I think I screwed all that up.....

Me with my ribbon:
http://i1291.photobucket.com/albums/b560/Akowrules/image_zpsc923a5c8.jpg (http://s1291.photobucket.com/user/Akowrules/media/image_zpsc923a5c8.jpg.html)

noparlpf

2013-04-29, 07:28 PM

Oh yeah, so I took a survey for Counseling Services at school. Lots of stuff about drug use, sexual assault, stuff like that. I'm not sure why I was taking it.
Anyway, for the demographics bit, it had a dropdown menu for "Sex", and offered "Male", "Female", "Trasngendered", "Genderqueer", and "Questioning", I think. I emailed them asking what exactly "transgendered" is supposed to tell them without options to specify MtF or FtM.
I also asked them to add "asexual" to the sexualities menu, considering it's probably more common than transsexuality and they had at least tried to include that.

Also, apparently I filled in "lesbian" on the original intake form they had me do. I don't remember anybody ever asking me about it. Ah well.

TaiLiu

2013-04-29, 07:46 PM

Also, apparently I filled in "lesbian" on the original intake form they had me do. I don't remember anybody ever asking me about it. Ah well.
That's mildly amusing. :smalltongue:

noparlpf

2013-04-29, 07:51 PM

That's mildly amusing. :smalltongue:

Well like I said, their forms don't have sufficient options.

TaiLiu

2013-04-29, 07:56 PM

Well like I said, their forms don't have sufficient options.
They lacked so many options you had to choose 'lesbian?' That's even more amusing. :smallbiggrin:

Triscuitable

2013-04-29, 08:24 PM

I think you should all read this (http://publicshaming.tumblr.com/day/2013/04/29). Trigger warning, possibly. Safe for work, however.

Coidzor

2013-04-29, 08:31 PM

I think you should all read this (http://publicshaming.tumblr.com/day/2013/04/29). Trigger warning, possibly. Safe for work, however.

...It's like he's saying words that should mean something but he's saying them in a foreign language. :smallconfused:

Karen Lynn

2013-04-29, 08:32 PM

While pretty safe, I recommend tagging the possible trigger(in this case: Stupidity, Gay bashing).

TaiLiu

2013-04-29, 08:35 PM

While pretty safe, I recommend tagging the possible trigger(in this case: Stupidity, Gay bashing).
Stupidity can be a trigger? :smallconfused:

Karen Lynn

2013-04-29, 08:39 PM

Stupidity can be a trigger? :smallconfused:

>.>
<.<
It triggers mah lazah~

Ok, that was bad... >.<

TaiLiu

2013-04-29, 08:41 PM

>.>
<.<
It triggers mah lazah~

Ok, that was bad... >.<
Don't worry - I didn't understand the reference, anyway.

Karen Lynn

2013-04-29, 08:43 PM

Basically, Hyper Beam joke.

http://cache.ohinternet.com/images/3/3a/Mahlazer.jpg

http://bbsimg.ngfiles.com/1/13805000/ngbbs46d35294d3456.jpg

TaiLiu

2013-04-29, 08:45 PM

Basically, Hyper Beam joke.

http://cache.ohinternet.com/images/3/3a/Mahlazer.jpg

http://bbsimg.ngfiles.com/1/13805000/ngbbs46d35294d3456.jpg
But... But one doesn't need to charge for Hyper Beam! That would be more of a Solar Beam, no?

Triscuitable

2013-04-29, 08:48 PM

But... But one doesn't need to charge for Hyper Beam! That would be more of a Solar Beam, no?

You could also interpret wild ranting as Frenzy Plant. Needs a turn to recharge.

TaiLiu

2013-04-29, 08:51 PM

You could also interpret wild ranting as Frenzy Plant. Needs a turn to recharge.
Well, yes, just like Hyper Beam does. However, those Moves force a recharge after the Move. The charging in the picture happens before.

Kittenwolf

2013-04-29, 09:02 PM

*Tap tap*
Hrm... website appears to be solid again. Huzzah!!

Maybe Hyper Beam is 'charging' because there's so much stupidity that in fact the giant green monster fired Hyper Beam in the panel *before* the one we see, thereby necessitating a recharge before firing again. You're supposed to loop those two panels infinitely :)

Cut for 'heavier' stuff that's been happening:

So, last night I had another psych visit, and she asked me to come along as my girl self.
Cue a moderately scary bike ride there, including me getting my skirt caught in my brakes, and having to stand in the street for ten minutes because their door & buzzer wasn't working (and she wasn't answering her phone due to being with someone else) panicking at the thought of someone asking me what I was doing and realising I was a guy.

Calmed down dramatically once I went inside (she repeated that I looked good several times, and since I'm terrible with accepting compliments I got slightly uncomfortable at by the end).
We talked about a few bits and pieces, mostly more concrete things that I'll need to do/achieve to be passable when I want to be, that kind of thing (I think I'm the first genderfluid person that she's dealt with, as opposed to crossdressers & binary transpeople).

She's going to write me a referral letter to a nearby clinic that deals with a lot of transgender issues, to talk to them about hormones and if what I want is actually possible.
Meep :smalleek::smallmad:
Kinda scary things.

noparlpf

2013-04-29, 09:10 PM

Absol197

2013-04-29, 09:17 PM

Oh...Ohmigosh! It's back! Hurray!!!

I missed you guys so so much! I'm so glad to have you all back again!

Ahem :smallredface: ...Sorry, I just really missed this place!

So, stuff that's going on:

1) I'm still working on coming out at work. The HR lady I spoke with was nice, but it's been...Over two weeks and I only heard back from her because my manager pushed (I have no idea what she said, but a couple minutes of casually mentioning I hadn't heard back, and I got a response; my manager is awesome :smallbiggrin: !). It's not a big deal, but I would like things to at least be going a bit quicker...

2) I have my appointment set to have an initial consultation for hormones :smallbiggrin::smallbiggrin: !!!
...It's not until August :smallfrown: ... That was the soonest the endo could see me. Apparently she's very busy. Although it's not like my therapist has yet written me a letter, so I'd have to wait some anyway, but was hoping it would be sometime like May or June, not all the way in August. I guess I've got some time to get my letter, in any case.

3) I've been working on my posture a lot recently, and I think I'm getting a lot better! A trick I came up with to help any other trans-ladies out there working on the same thing:
Men carry their weight in their shoulders, while women carry their weight in their hips. To test how you're carrying your weight, and to try and get the feel for changing it, stand about a foot's length or so in front of a wall, and put both your hands on it, then push as if you were trying to push it down.

If your weight is in your shoulders, you'll get the best push by leaning forward, making a little you/floor/wall triangle, and you'll feel the push mostly across the back of your shoulders.

If your weight is in your hips, you'll get the best push by getting your body parallel with the wall (or your hips a bit closer in that your shoulders), and you'll feel most of the push in your lower back.
I've got other little tips, too, if anyone's interested! Also, I'm sure any transmen or gender-neutral people around might be able to make use of the same trick in reverse (or partway) to try and change their presentation a bit, too!

Also: Eeeeee~ Congrats, Zorg! I'm so jealous/happy for you! I hope you heal well after your surgery!

And once again: *hugs entire thread* I missed you guys so much!

~Phoenix~