LGBTAitp #36: May Contain Bites!

[MuffinPuffin]

Bit About My Life, Which Is Only Vaugely Related To LGBTQ Stuff
Argument over me trusting people online. I trust all of you. You have no reason to lie here, and if you did, I don't care. I will accept your story at face value because that's what you want me to believe. My mother, especially, is worried about something involving me trusting people I haven't seen the face of, to judge if they're lying or not. Which makes it anger me, since I then don't want them to know about me and Karen/Sophia, since that's online only. And I don't really want to bring up the poly bit. Add that on top of having been fired from a temp job doing assembly line work for not keeping up with the line, losing a scholarship due to grades, one of the people who I value most that actually within 15 minutes driving distance is off to Denver for the summer, and some random other stuff going on, and you have the various downsides of life right now.
Note: All My advice, take with grain of salt.

1. Why should she feel bad about you trusting people online? Its really hard to do any damage to people anyway, and its not costing you anything trying to help people.
2. I understand the not bringing up the poly thing...
3.Fired and loss of scholership: Double ouch. Important to know though:
Don't give up! Maybe it was a bad run, maybe you had too much on your plate, take it as a sign to step up your game, don't think you hit your ceiling. The worst thing that you can do right now is think that you can't fix this (ok, if you can't get them back, you can at least prove to yourself you still can do things).
4.Denver is far from you? See if you can set up as much connection to this person as possible. If they mean so much that them leaving is a big problem, don't let them slide away. (sorry if your already doing this)
5. I hope I helped, If I sound patronizing/ unhelpful/ obvious im sorry, Im just trying to help.
Edit: Oh and hugs and condolences and such... figured it might be wierd to be given this "we understand"atmosphere when your familiarity with this place is one of the problems.

[Karen Lynn]

Subconscious used Nightmare! It's super effective!

TW: Dysphoria
Had a nightmare last night. In the nightmare, the moon was absolutely huge in the night sky. Talking way too large to be natural phenomena. The 'man in the moon' was looking right at me, and cursed me. Not a '**** you' curse, but a muffled dead language of whispers type curse. I heard six distinctly different voices all whispering out of sync with each other, "You are a man and will always be a man."

I woke up, and couldn't stop crying... I curled up tight as I could, hiding from the damned moonlight that was coming into my room from the slits between my blinds.

[MuffinPuffin]

Subconscious used Nightmare! It's super effective!

TW: Dysphoria
Had a nightmare last night. In the nightmare, the moon was absolutely huge in the night sky. Talking way too large to be natural phenomena. The 'man in the moon' was looking right at me, and cursed me. Not a '**** you' curse, but a muffled dead language of whispers type curse. I heard six distinctly different voices all whispering out of sync with each other, "You are a man and will always be a man."

I woke up, and couldn't stop crying... I curled up tight as I could, hiding from the damned moonlight that was coming into my room from the slits between my blinds.
Wow... just wow....:smalleek: *hugs* (Am i doing it right?)
I just have to say, that is one of the scariest and most targeted dream i've ever heard of... did you get any-sleep at all after that?

[mistformsquirrl]

*hugs Karen and Eldest* ><; oi

Speaking of nightmares:

Lately I've had recurring ones where I physically fight my dad, or am verbally arguing with my mom. I haven't had a nasty argument with my mom in years, and I've NEVER had a fist fight with my dad <x.x> Weird stuff and quite unsettling.

I was told it might be due to sleep apnea though, and I could believe that. Dreams is freakin' weird < . .>

[noparlpf]

Subconscious used Nightmare! It's super effective!

TW: Dysphoria
Had a nightmare last night. In the nightmare, the moon was absolutely huge in the night sky. Talking way too large to be natural phenomena. The 'man in the moon' was looking right at me, and cursed me. Not a '**** you' curse, but a muffled dead language of whispers type curse. I heard six distinctly different voices all whispering out of sync with each other, "You are a man and will always be a man."

I woke up, and couldn't stop crying... I curled up tight as I could, hiding from the damned moonlight that was coming into my room from the slits between my blinds.

Oh, geez. *hugs*


*hugs Karen and Eldest* ><; oi

Speaking of nightmares:

Lately I've had recurring ones where I physically fight my dad, or am verbally arguing with my mom. I haven't had a nasty argument with my mom in years, and I've NEVER had a fist fight with my dad <x.x> Weird stuff and quite unsettling.

I was told it might be due to sleep apnea though, and I could believe that. Dreams is freakin' weird < . .>

*hugs*

[Eldest]

Subconscious used Nightmare! It's super effective!

TW: Dysphoria
Had a nightmare last night. In the nightmare, the moon was absolutely huge in the night sky. Talking way too large to be natural phenomena. The 'man in the moon' was looking right at me, and cursed me. Not a '**** you' curse, but a muffled dead language of whispers type curse. I heard six distinctly different voices all whispering out of sync with each other, "You are a man and will always be a man."

I woke up, and couldn't stop crying... I curled up tight as I could, hiding from the damned moonlight that was coming into my room from the slits between my blinds.

*points at*
And you see, this is why I generally don't complain. People have it worse.
*hugs tightly*


I am a four-hundred-foot-tall purple platypus-bear with pink horns and silver wings.

So that's what your picture is of...

But thank you three for that. Denver is a good 14 hours away, so no visiting Zoe (that person I mentioned). I will be staying in touch, though. I'm not discouraged by the line thing. It happens. And I, personally, don't have a problem with trusting people I haven't met. I have a problem with how my mother chooses to not only have a problem with it, but brings this up repeatably.

[TaiLiu]

Subconscious used Nightmare! It's super effective!

TW: Dysphoria
Had a nightmare last night. In the nightmare, the moon was absolutely huge in the night sky. Talking way too large to be natural phenomena. The 'man in the moon' was looking right at me, and cursed me. Not a '**** you' curse, but a muffled dead language of whispers type curse. I heard six distinctly different voices all whispering out of sync with each other, "You are a man and will always be a man."

I woke up, and couldn't stop crying... I curled up tight as I could, hiding from the damned moonlight that was coming into my room from the slits between my blinds.
:smallfrown: Oh, dear. That is horribly dreadful thing to dream up. I hope you feel better. *Hugs*

*hugs Karen and Eldest* ><; oi

Speaking of nightmares:

Lately I've had recurring ones where I physically fight my dad, or am verbally arguing with my mom. I haven't had a nasty argument with my mom in years, and I've NEVER had a fist fight with my dad <x.x> Weird stuff and quite unsettling.

I was told it might be due to sleep apnea though, and I could believe that. Dreams is freakin' weird < . .>
:smallfrown: My condolences and hugs. These recur, too.

[MuffinPuffin]

but brings this up repeatably.
That's just plain mean... do you have any knowledge on why she does this? just her personality? sorry for insulting your mother

[TaiLiu]

Just her personality?
I'm similarly paranoid, so: probably. This is just my presumption, though.

[Eldest]

That's just plain mean... do you have any knowledge on why she does this? just her personality? sorry for insulting your mother

Nah. She just thinks she's right and is worried I'm going to... I don't know. She thinks people online are "more manipulative than you think", and I think it's horse****, since she just knows that I know a fair number of people from online. She doesn't know it's from A) a minecraft server, and B) this thread. And I don't see anybody who wants to be manipulative going through those spots. If they did, they aren't getting anything but some fun on a minecraft server, or love and support here.

[noparlpf]

Nah. She just thinks she's right and is worried I'm going to... I don't know. She thinks people online are "more manipulative than you think", and I think it's horse****, since she just knows that I know a fair number of people from online. She doesn't know it's from A) a minecraft server, and B) this thread. And I don't see anybody who wants to be manipulative going through those spots. If they did, they aren't getting anything but some fun on a minecraft server, or love and support here.

That's what you think. Unbeknownst to you, I've been slowly brainwashing everybody here to be my minions for when I take over the tri-state area.
(Wow, two cartoon references in one evening. Huh.)

[MuffinPuffin]

Nah. She just thinks she's right and is worried I'm going to... I don't know. She thinks people online are "more manipulative than you think", and I think it's horse****, since she just knows that I know a fair number of people from online. She doesn't know it's from A) a minecraft server, and B) this thread. And I don't see anybody who wants to be manipulative going through those spots. If they did, they aren't getting anything but some fun on a minecraft server, or love and support here.
How would we, random people on the internet, manipulate you, a white tiger?

You'd eat us if we try'ed.

That's what you think. Unbeknownst to you, I've been slowly brainwashing everybody here to be my minions for when I take over the tri-state area.
(Wow, two cartoon references in one evening. Huh.)
Avatar:TLA and Phineas and Ferb (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DontExplainTheJoke)
*Cough*theonepictureofCaptainAmerica*cough*
https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQGtn82qlcnNYAdHfaaLr-Nzqd2v0BG-agA1LFjud-ZS7Fdi9yg

[Karen Lynn]

Thanks for the hugs. Said it on Skype, Eldest, and will say it here for others:

Saying you shouldn't feel bad because others have it worse is like saying you shouldn't feel good because others have it better.

[Irish Musician]

Thanks for the hugs. Said it on Skype, Eldest, and will say it here for others:

Saying you shouldn't feel bad because others have it worse is like saying you shouldn't feel good because others have it better.
Wise words.

Also, I am sorry about that dream. That is a horrible dream, I would be freaked out by that dream :smalleek:

*Big, Warm, Comforting Hugz*

~Matthew~

[turkishproverb]

How is it that if i read a webcomic for enough pages, the chances of a character turning out LGBT approach 0? Is that an internet law?

[TaiLiu]

How is it that if i read a webcomic for enough pages, the chances of a character turning out LGBT approach 0? Is that an internet law?
What do you mean?

[Karen Lynn]

Shall I suggest Questionable Content? Lesbians, Bis, and a transwoman. :3

[TaiLiu]

Shall I suggest Questionable Content? Lesbians, Bis, and a transwoman. :3
It is indeed enjoyable, but there are many comics. If one reads this, prepare to use hours and hours of one's time.

[Chess435]

*flops on thread* Finally get the night to chill after three solid days of work. Over at friend's place, so I'll likely be on all night.

[TaiLiu]

*flops on thread* Finally get the night to chill after three solid days of work. Over at friend's place, so I'll likely be on all night.
Ah! Is it exhausting?

[Chess435]

Ah! Is it exhausting?

Yeah, been cleaning up the house in preparation for moving later this month. Pretty exhausted.

[TaiLiu]

Yeah, been cleaning up the house in preparation for moving later this month. Pretty exhausted.
Well, have some cookies and tea! Are you moving into the house or out of the house?

[Chess435]

Well, have some cookies and tea! Are you moving into the house or out of the house?

Moving out. *noms happily*

[TaiLiu]

Moving out. *noms happily*
Ah! Did you find a cheaper place, or is it something else?

[Chess435]

Ah! Did you find a cheaper place, or is it something else?

Mom got work over there, and there's just no opportunity where I live, so we're moving in with one of my mom's friends.

[TaiLiu]

Mom got work over there, and there's just no opportunity where I live, so we're moving in with one of my mom's friends.
Ah. Well, I hope you find a job swiftly!

[turkishproverb]

What do you mean?

Every comic I read LGBT show up at some point.

Even when i don't expect it.

not that i'm complaining.


Shall I suggest Questionable Content? Lesbians, Bis, and a transwoman. :3


It is indeed enjoyable, but there are many comics. If one reads this, prepare to use hours and hours of one's time.


I know that comic. I've read it (or a good chunk of it). Not a bad read.

[noparlpf]

Every comic I read LGBT show up at some point.

Even when i don't expect it.

not that i'm complaining.

Isn't that the exact opposite of a 0% chance? :smallconfused:

[Ilena]

Wow i go away for like 3hours to a councelling app and 2 pages appear! and huggies to all that require or want one!

[TaiLiu]

Every comic I read LGBT show up at some point.

Even when i don't expect it.

not that i'm complaining.
I'm rather confused, now. Didn't you say:

How is it that if i read a webcomic for enough pages, the chances of a character turning out LGBT approach 0? Is that an internet law?

[turkishproverb]

I'm rather confused, now. Didn't you say:

...by "approach 0" I meant "reach a point of certainty"


Yeah, been cleaning up the house in preparation for moving later this month. Pretty exhausted.

been there. Kinda there right now actually. having to pack my books :annoyed:

[TaiLiu]

...by "approach 0" I meant "reach a point of certainty"
Oh, I see.

been there. Kinda there right now actually. having to pack my books :annoyed:
Oh! Moving away?

Well, hello everybody! Meet the brand new, out-to-my-parents me! :smallbiggrin: I mustered up courage, and I told them I'm gay, and they're fine with it! Except it led to some rather uncomfortable questions. But, anyway, it's good! And very random.

Parents: "Time to go to bed."
Me:"Ok. Good night, and oh! I'm gay. Good night!"
Well, that's an excellently amusing way to out oneself. I'm glad they took it well! :smallsmile:

(Did you have to stay awake to explain?)

[Akowrules]

Well, hello everybody! Meet the brand new, out-to-my-parents me! :smallbiggrin: I mustered up courage, and I told them I'm gay, and they're fine with it! Except it led to some rather uncomfortable questions. But, anyway, it's good! And very random.

Parents: "Time to go to bed."
Me:"Ok. Good night, and oh! I'm gay. Good night!"

[turkishproverb]

Oh, I see.

Cool. I was just reading a new comic and got a ways in and then "Wait..."

then i looked back and noticed that happened to me a lot. Even in OOTS, counting the books.


Oh! Moving away?
School is finished as soon as my committee accepts my masters thesis. I have to move as a result.


Well, hello everybody! Meet the brand new, out-to-my-parents me! :smallbiggrin: I mustered up courage, and I told them I'm gay, and they're fine with it! Except it led to some rather uncomfortable questions. But, anyway, it's good! And very random.

Parents: "Time to go to bed."
Me:"Ok. Good night, and oh! I'm gay. Good night!"

Congrats! GOODLUCK!

[Eldest]

...by "approach 0" I meant "reach a point of certainty"

It would be "approaches 1", then. :smalltongue:
Sorry, probabilities are something I'm both good at and picky with...


Well, hello everybody! Meet the brand new, out-to-my-parents me! :smallbiggrin: I mustered up courage, and I told them I'm gay, and they're fine with it! Except it led to some rather uncomfortable questions. But, anyway, it's good! And very random.

Parents: "Time to go to bed."
Me:"Ok. Good night, and oh! I'm gay. Good night!"

Interesting way to come out, but I'm glad they took it well.

[TaiLiu]

Cool. I was just reading a new comic and got a ways in and then "Wait..."

then i looked back and noticed that happened to me a lot. Even in OOTS, counting the books.
Oh, that sounds interesting, especially since I don't have any of the books.

School is finished as soon as my committee accepts my masters thesis. I have to move as a result.
Ah! Congratulations, Comrade! :smallsmile:

[tomandtish]

I'm similarly paranoid, so: probably. This is just my presumption, though.

Spoiled part of this for length:

In fairness (and I'm offering this as a possible explanation, NOT a justification), could some of this be generational? Studies show that the older a person is, the less comfortable they are (in general) with the internet and social media or forums. It's easy to forget that the World Wide Web (what we really mean when we refer to the modern internet) has only been around about 21-22 years, and became the true major phenomena it has this century (2000 on). Those who would be in their early 20s would be the first generation to grow up where the web was always part of their life.

It's changed so much about how we interact with each other and the world around us. It's possible to be more connected with people and (ironically) more isolated at the same time. It's changed how we access news and (some might argue) what we call news. It's even changed in some ways the definition of friend.

It's certainly caught me off-guard, and I grew up in a home with parents who got into the computer field in the 70s (right when it was taking off) so was quite comfortable with computers. But the internet can be a scary place at times. It amazes (and yes, sometimes shocks) me at the amount of information people freely post about themselves. And at the same time many of my younger friends are shocked that I do as little sharing as I do.

As for trusting people on the web, and manipulation… we've all heard the stories about how people manipulated others on the internet into giving money, pretended to be someone they weren't so they could meet up and do horrible things, or (worst of all) tormented someone into harming or killing themselves. Some of the stories are exaggerated, some false, and others all too sadly true.

As our parents grew up, they made their mistakes. They attempt to pass their hard-won wisdom onto us so we don't make the same ones (or at least know what to do if we do make them). And we smile, nod, and secretly think they are crazy, but when we eventually make the exact same mistake, we refer back to what they told us.

The internet opens up a whole new playing field of mistakes. Many parents can't teach their children what to do or not to do because they don't know it themselves. And it's not an uncommon reaction to assume the worst and get over-protective when you don't know what to do.

Again, let me clear. I'm not justifying her behavior. But if (and I stress IF) this is the reason (or a big part of the reason) for her behavior, it gives you a basis for understanding it, which then gives you a starting point for determining the best way of addressing it.
As for the other stuff… that's rough. I've had all those things happen at various times, but all at once would be tough to deal with. Hang in there.

One Bananas Foster headed your way.


Shall I suggest Questionable Content? Lesbians, Bis, and a transwoman. :3


I'm shipping Martin and Claire!

[SiuiS]

I know I'm a little late, but I really want to agree with this. There have been times where I've been feeling really down, and coming here and having everyone be friendly and flirty has made me feel much better.


It might not look like it in your side of things, but on mine, there's always been an exception for Lix Lorn. I've seen arguments about who was more chaste and this superior break into flirting when you showed up. You're a superhero.


Once again I am defeated by my arch nemesis, geography!

I know, right? Stupid geography!


A potential romance was foiled by the cruel winds of... large distances? Don't know where I was going with this...

Rolling mountains: less majestic as a romantic foil.


Regarding the earlier discussion about the thread's atmosphere, I think the whole "unconditional support and friendship" thing is the primary reason why I don't post in this thread too often, because it is both something I am incapable of providing, and something that is very often more frustrating than helpful to my own attempts at self-discovery. If I want support, I can get that from any of my friends, and I want to come to this thread to learn and be educated, in the hopes that it will help me figure out what is wrong with me.

And... I don't find it here. Instead I get told that people should love me no matter what I am, when I can't even love myself without figuring it out. I sort of feel like I'm stuck in a closet (to use a familiar term), but I don't know where the closet is, what it is made out of, how to get out and what to do once I'm out. Or whether I should get out or not, because there might be sharks outside.

That's really more of a Playground thing. There is only so much we can so within the forum rules. I, too, have had problems with the atmosphere being not discriminating enough, but there's only so much one can hope for.

Why do you think there is something wrong with you?



I can't find now the post where someone recommended neck massage with a tennis ball, but thank you for the idea. The pain's spread down to the back of my shoulder as of last night; I'm going to change pillows and see if that helps.

Sounds like your trapezius then. Best I can offer is heat and resting in a neutral position, like you said. Anything else requires an off-forum consult and for me to re-up my certification. :smallwink:


Succubus hits it right on the head. There's nothing wrong with being unsure, or unclear on how strong your preferences are. What you need to avoid are preconceived expectations. I've been around for a while, and there's no one size fits all answer when it comes to self-identity. Two people could go through the exact same experiences, come out with completely opposite answers, and those answers would be right for each of them.

Speaking of which, given that I'm offering advice I should probably introduce myself. I'm the "Tom" part of tomandtish. I'm a 44yo male who (after experimentation in high school) identifies as straight - so far. I'm 18 years married, and hope that an opinion from the old man side of things may be helpful to some.

Howdy all.

:smallsmile:

Hi, Tom!


I'm getting a "Forbidden" error message when I click that link.

Any other way to see that text? Anybody else have that problem? I'm in Ireland.

Sure.

THE LGBT NICHE: HOW MARKETERS TARGET THEM
Posted by Laura Beeston on: May 31, 2013 - 10:32 0 Comments
Commercials are queerer than ever.

As gay marriage reaches a tipping point of mass acceptance south of the border, it seems like more advertisers and retailers than ever are promoting LGBT visibility in their communications and corporate strategy.

“Things have changed beyond all recognition in the last 20 years,” says Ian Johnson, founder and CEO of the international marketing firm Out Now, adding that the breakthrough of LGBT people into mainstream advertising is evidence of this.

“Even a few years ago, the thinking was that any association with gays or lesbians was nothing short of brand suicide, so why risk it? Today, brands are increasingly realizing that if they appear to be on the wrong side of the case for equality, they'll now look like (and go the way of the) dinosaurs.”

Johnson suggested many brands embrace cultural and sexual diversity to show consumers they understand society is a better and more interesting place because of it. And, luckily, the commercials are also getting better as a result.

ADVERTISING EVOLUTION
Once relegated to vague and ambiguous innuendo, advertising featuring LGBT actors has exploded, expanding its reach beyond niche magazines to multiple platforms and “gaying-up” big name brands like Absolut Vodka, Amazon, and Microsoft.

Today, modern retailers aren't afraid to show their pride; quite the opposite: they’re coming right out. Commercials such as the most recent one from Kindle are great examples of the new gay blatancy.

But advertisers have had to get smarter and more inclusive in how they relate their message to LGBT audiences, says Mark Elderkin, CEO of the Gay Ad Network, a company currently working with the Museum of Vancouver.

“We have such diversity within the market. The stereotypes just aren’t accurate anymore,” he says. “It’s not just one type of user; it’s not single white men with high household income. The gay community is much broader and our research shows that.”

Advertisers today have also had to keep moving away from rainbows and stock images of young, fit, party-going males with their tops off,” agreed Johnson, who believes the marriage equality debate has especially challenged LGBT stereotyping about being capable (or interested in) long-term relationships and becoming parents.

“The extent to which younger LGBT people wish to marry and become parents in the future—which increases dramatically with the LGBT population that is aged 35 and under—will have huge implications for a number of industries,” he predicted.

INCLUSIVITY AT WORK
North of the border, the grown-up gay image has played itself out most markedly in the banks, specifically TD Canada Trust, who became an industry leader in corporate diversity initiatives.

Targeting their ads to LGBT media in 2007 before hitting the mainstream Canadian circuit in 2009, TD aims to position itself as the LGBT “bank of choice.” Their concerted efforts got people talking and their media strategy set them apart, even garnering recognition from Egale Canada.

“As a big bank, we have a responsibility to our communities. It’s how we make the bank human,” explained Hilary Woods, TD’s Senior Manager of Marketing and Planning. “Diversity and inclusion at TD is more than advertising; it’s what defines our success.”

Woods added that TD has supported LGBT community initiatives since 2003, began sponsoring Toronto Pride in 2005, and has since partnered with 18 festivals across North America.

“Through [this] leadership, we’ve demonstrated we’re in it for the long run,” she said, stressing that the benefit TD sees in marketing to the LGBT consumers goes beyond an attempt to tap into the so-called “pink dollar” purchasing power of the community.

But certainly money is something that marketers must consider, as the International Gay and Lesbian Chamber of Commerce and other studies suggest gay buying power in Canada is hovering around $100 billion.

MARKETING IS MORE THAN JUST WORDS AND PICTURES
To access this wealth, however, takes credibility, say the marketing pros.

“We see study after study that shows that gay people are brand loyal [...] and are, in general, supportive of the brands that support them,” explained Elderkin, adding that as the social tide continues to turn towards diversity and acceptance, an even bigger market and opportunity is emerging.

“[Targeting advertising] can generate more brand affinity within the gay community, certainly, but you’re also attracting more progressive, socially conscious allies of the gay community,” he said. “It’s the best of both worlds.”

So when businesses choose to sell their commitment to diversity, they are no longer simply marketing to the estimated 5 per cent of LGBT Canadians out there, but to the 34 million of us.

By marketing to the gays, brands are “making a valuable and profitable statement of intent to [those] who support their friends, family members, and colleagues...The leverage of LGBT marketing has become far greater than it was when we started,” agrees Johnson. “Smart brands understand that the personal is political and that marketing actions speak to brand values.

“It was once enough for brands to just turn up and expect the LGBT market to react favourably to their overtures. Those days are far behind us.”

[TaiLiu]

That's really more of a Playground thing. There is only so much we can so within the forum rules. I, too, have had problems with the atmosphere being not discriminating enough, but there's only so much one can hope for.
Hm. What do you mean? A discriminating atmosphere makes the environment more unfriendly, no?

[Karen Lynn]

I'm shipping Martin and Claire!

Since the comic is full of hipsters, I shipped them before shipping them was cool. :3

[Eldest]

Spoiled part of this for length:

In fairness (and I'm offering this as a possible explanation, NOT a justification), could some of this be generational? Studies show that the older a person is, the less comfortable they are (in general) with the internet and social media or forums. It's easy to forget that the World Wide Web (what we really mean when we refer to the modern internet) has only been around about 21-22 years, and became the true major phenomena it has this century (2000 on). Those who would be in their early 20s would be the first generation to grow up where the web was always part of their life.

It's changed so much about how we interact with each other and the world around us. It's possible to be more connected with people and (ironically) more isolated at the same time. It's changed how we access news and (some might argue) what we call news. It's even changed in some ways the definition of friend.

It's certainly caught me off-guard, and I grew up in a home with parents who got into the computer field in the 70s (right when it was taking off) so was quite comfortable with computers. But the internet can be a scary place at times. It amazes (and yes, sometimes shocks) me at the amount of information people freely post about themselves. And at the same time many of my younger friends are shocked that I do as little sharing as I do.

As for trusting people on the web, and manipulation… we've all heard the stories about how people manipulated others on the internet into giving money, pretended to be someone they weren't so they could meet up and do horrible things, or (worst of all) tormented someone into harming or killing themselves. Some of the stories are exaggerated, some false, and others all too sadly true.

As our parents grew up, they made their mistakes. They attempt to pass their hard-won wisdom onto us so we don't make the same ones (or at least know what to do if we do make them). And we smile, nod, and secretly think they are crazy, but when we eventually make the exact same mistake, we refer back to what they told us.

The internet opens up a whole new playing field of mistakes. Many parents can't teach their children what to do or not to do because they don't know it themselves. And it's not an uncommon reaction to assume the worst and get over-protective when you don't know what to do.

Again, let me clear. I'm not justifying her behavior. But if (and I stress IF) this is the reason (or a big part of the reason) for her behavior, it gives you a basis for understanding it, which then gives you a starting point for determining the best way of addressing it.
As for the other stuff… that's rough. I've had all those things happen at various times, but all at once would be tough to deal with. Hang in there.

Keeping it spoilered because it's pretty tangental to the thread.
Perhaps that's it, yeah. My brother, at least, doesn't seem to have nearly as big a problem with the idea of online friends. And honestly, I would listen if she had something to say other than "they could be cons", because anybody could be one. Nobody's asked for money that I know, yet, though at least twice people have offered to donate to somebody when it was important. I'd understand the concern about meeting up with people, but that's just something you'd have to judge based on how well you know and trust the person and what exactly their offer is, because yes that can be risky. But I'm not going to say "Nope, not meeting you ever because I met you first online." And the third is being a bully, a troll, a flame... there are plenty of names for those who insult others, and it's something I've found offline more than on (with the exception of comments. Avoid those.) But thank you for spending the time to think through possible reasons, I've tried but maybe I'm a wee bit too close to the conflict.

[SiuiS]

I was able to sent her the text.

...and I think this is the first time I ever ninja'd anybody! :smallbiggrin:

Oops.


So I thought long, and I thought hard, and I read, and I researched, and I Thought some more... and I finally came to a conclusion about my trans*-ness/gender-binary:

It doesn't matter.

After a long headache inducing pro and con match-up, reading what posters have posted (Thank you so much btw) and general worring, I needed a break from the hard thinking, and I thought "Do I feel trapped/do I need to change?"

Answer? No.

Although I do feel uncomfortable acting feminine without a body to match, long for the clothes of a woman, and a third reason (http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&ved=0CEcQFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Ftvtropes.org%2Fpmwiki%2Fpmwiki.ph p%2FMain%2FRuleOfThree&ei=QzGxUdelN4ijyAGA54HABA&usg=AFQjCNFjUXkv1Eu_rInzP8hK0crUN6GX9A&bvm=bv.47534661,d.aWc). I realised that I'm perfectly fine how I am, and changing things will make things alot worse before they get better (If they do).

I don't like thinking of having to end my relationship with my girlfriend (although she may still love my if I do transition*, she already has some issues about the lack of sexual intimacy** we have already). I'm in high school, so it would be a while before i can do anything anyway, and I really don't need to be thinking about this right now.

I have come to the conclusion that I am a girl*** in an slightly itchy suit of a man, and not trapped, but more... "It could be better, but honestly, its still pretty bitchin' "

*We had a conversation about something like this, that she would love me even If i was gay, and that we could still be together as long as we still were attracted+loved each other.
**I don't like sexual activities very much, casued some problems...
*** Not a women, but a girl, a young energetic girl.

*MuffinPuffin attempts to be more involved in the thread!*
Oh noes, what happend!

Cool.

Myself, I could be okay as I am. I would be better afterwards though.


I am a four-hundred-foot-tall purple platypus-bear with pink horns and silver wings.

And inside of this mechabeast is the two meter, no-longer-long-haired Caucasian we all know. :smallwink:


Subconscious used Nightmare! It's super effective!

TW: Dysphoria
Had a nightmare last night. In the nightmare, the moon was absolutely huge in the night sky. Talking way too large to be natural phenomena. The 'man in the moon' was looking right at me, and cursed me. Not a '**** you' curse, but a muffled dead language of whispers type curse. I heard six distinctly different voices all whispering out of sync with each other, "You are a man and will always be a man."

I woke up, and couldn't stop crying... I curled up tight as I could, hiding from the damned moonlight that was coming into my room from the slits between my blinds.

Jesus.


*points at*
And you see, this is why I generally don't complain. People have it worse.
*hugs tightly*

None of that unless you're Buddha.



But thank you three for that. Denver is a good 14 hours away, so no visiting Zoe (that person I mentioned). I will be staying in touch, though. I'm not discouraged by the line thing. It happens. And I, personally, don't have a problem with trusting people I haven't met. I have a problem with how my mother chooses to not only have a problem with it, but brings this up repeatably.

To be fair hon, you're young. They aren't. In their day, this was an actual factual problem.


Wow i go away for like 3hours to a councelling app and 2 pages appear! and huggies to all that require or want one!

Oh, okay. I though maybe I had slept too long XD.


I'm rather confused, now. Didn't you say:

Think he meant approaches 1.

I understood what you meant, TurkishProverb. It wasn't until someone else pointed it out I saw the numbers were reversed. Context for the win, yeah?


Spoiled part of this for length:

In fairness (and I'm offering this as a possible explanation, NOT a justification), could some of this be generational? Studies show that the older a person is, the less comfortable they are (in general) with the internet and social media or forums. It's easy to forget that the World Wide Web (what we really mean when we refer to the modern internet) has only been around about 21-22 years, and became the true major phenomena it has this century (2000 on). Those who would be in their early 20s would be the first generation to grow up where the web was always part of their life.

It's changed so much about how we interact with each other and the world around us. It's possible to be more connected with people and (ironically) more isolated at the same time. It's changed how we access news and (some might argue) what we call news. It's even changed in some ways the definition of friend.

It's certainly caught me off-guard, and I grew up in a home with parents who got into the computer field in the 70s (right when it was taking off) so was quite comfortable with computers. But the internet can be a scary place at times. It amazes (and yes, sometimes shocks) me at the amount of information people freely post about themselves. And at the same time many of my younger friends are shocked that I do as little sharing as I do.

As for trusting people on the web, and manipulation… we've all heard the stories about how people manipulated others on the internet into giving money, pretended to be someone they weren't so they could meet up and do horrible things, or (worst of all) tormented someone into harming or killing themselves. Some of the stories are exaggerated, some false, and others all too sadly true.

As our parents grew up, they made their mistakes. They attempt to pass their hard-won wisdom onto us so we don't make the same ones (or at least know what to do if we do make them). And we smile, nod, and secretly think they are crazy, but when we eventually make the exact same mistake, we refer back to what they told us.

The internet opens up a whole new playing field of mistakes. Many parents can't teach their children what to do or not to do because they don't know it themselves. And it's not an uncommon reaction to assume the worst and get over-protective when you don't know what to do.

Again, let me clear. I'm not justifying her behavior. But if (and I stress IF) this is the reason (or a big part of the reason) for her behavior, it gives you a basis for understanding it, which then gives you a starting point for determining the best way of addressing it.
As for the other stuff… that's rough. I've had all those things happen at various times, but all at once would be tough to deal with. Hang in there.

One Bananas Foster headed your way.
!

Yeah.


Hm. What do you mean? A discriminating atmosphere makes the environment more unfriendly, no?

Friendly is not always a good criterion for things. Tough love exists because sometimes you don't need or want concessions. Respect is always good. Respect is not always nice.

[TaiLiu]

Friendly is not always a good criterion for things. Tough love exists because sometimes you don't need or want concessions. Respect is always good. Respect is not always nice.
Perhaps, but I still don't see the advantage of discriminating someone. Could you explain?

[SiuiS]

Perhaps, but I still don't see the advantage of discriminating someone. Could you explain?

If you have two job applicants, one who has a record of stealing from his workplace, not showing up, and causing problems, and another who is a perfect employee, you must discriminate between them.

Discrimination means parsing according to strict standards. If you need help, and everyone just says "don't get better, love who you are!" That is actually bad. It is counter to your goal, and frustrating to boot.

Discrimination is not bad, but it is often misused.

[TaiLiu]

Discrimination is not bad, but it is often misused.
It seems that I am guilty of this, then. Thank you.

[Silverrida]

How goes the thread this evening?

[TaiLiu]

How goes the thread this evening?
Fairly well. I gained a greater understanding of discrimination.

[Silverrida]

Fairly well. I gained a greater understanding of discrimination.

Sounds good. Learning is always nice. Though even though the definition provided above for discrimination is technically correct, there is certainly a negative connotation that goes along with it.

I find the word "critical" to be better when describing the purposeful partitioning of things.

Being critical leads to "discrimination," but it's implied without using a word people see as negative.

[Mina Kobold]

Mrrr.

I just had a bit of a realization about myself... sadly it involved me hurting people I care about and hurting myself as well I guess.

I need to take my anxiety issues more serious. I've noticed that I tend to use them to hurt myself. Like, thinking stuff like that I'm not trans enough because if I was I'd get over my anxiety and things like that. And that just creates a whole bunch of negative feedback loops that just end up hurting myself a lot... and through that hurting people I care about. It's, for very very long I've seen my anxiety as weakness that I just need to get over with, but I think I need to approach it in a better fashion so that I can actually make progress about social transitioning as well, which will also help with my anxiety but it's partially caused by that I think.

*Offers hugs*

Anxiety is a very difficult thing to deal with, and I don't think you can be blamed for having done as you did. A lot of the time, anxiety is seen as a weakness and the person blamed for having it, which just makes it that much harder to actual address it. Realising that you can see it another way and work on it is a thing for you to be happy about, not to lament that it did not happen earlier. You're an amazing person, and you will continue to be so. :smallsmile:

I hope that was a bit helpful, sorry if I make no sense or make things worse. ;_;


Bit About My Life, Which Is Only Vaugely Related To LGBTQ Stuff
Argument over me trusting people online. I trust all of you. You have no reason to lie here, and if you did, I don't care. I will accept your story at face value because that's what you want me to believe. My mother, especially, is worried about something involving me trusting people I haven't seen the face of, to judge if they're lying or not. Which makes it anger me, since I then don't want them to know about me and Karen/Sophia, since that's online only. And I don't really want to bring up the poly bit. Add that on top of having been fired from a temp job doing assembly line work for not keeping up with the line, losing a scholarship due to grades, one of the people who I value most that actually within 15 minutes driving distance is off to Denver for the summer, and some random other stuff going on, and you have the various downsides of life right now.

*Offers hugs as well*

That sounds like a rather terrible series of events, but I hope work and school works out in the end. >_<

Pressing someone about not trusting people that they know because it is online sounds a bit mean to me, even if it is meant well. Being able to see people and meet them in physical person doesn't necessarily grant any more ability to discern whether they are trustworthy or not. Trusting people happens because they show you that they can be trusted, not because you can scrutinise their facial expression for signs of them being a bad liar! >_<

Though, that may just be me ranting because I am not a secret empath bent on stealing superpowers. Sorries. >_>


I am a four-hundred-foot-tall purple platypus-bear with pink horns and silver wings.

I just imagined that for the first time, so adorable. *_*

*short-circuits from adorable overload*


Subconscious used Nightmare! It's super effective!

TW: Dysphoria
Had a nightmare last night. In the nightmare, the moon was absolutely huge in the night sky. Talking way too large to be natural phenomena. The 'man in the moon' was looking right at me, and cursed me. Not a '**** you' curse, but a muffled dead language of whispers type curse. I heard six distinctly different voices all whispering out of sync with each other, "You are a man and will always be a man."

I woke up, and couldn't stop crying... I curled up tight as I could, hiding from the damned moonlight that was coming into my room from the slits between my blinds.

;_;

*Offers all the hugs*

That sounds like a very terrible dream, particularly in how it goes directly for that. Are you all right now? Will more hugs help? ._.

*Offers even more hugs than all of them*

If it helps, I think that your reaction to the dream indicates that it is wrong. If you were a man, you would most likely not have a negative reaction to being told so, but you did. It was denying you who you are, and that hurts much more than any spooky voices cursing can. So, take that, dream-moon? ^_^'


*points at*
And you see, this is why I generally don't complain. People have it worse.

[Mild Trigger Warning for injuries]
Someone having two broken legs does not mean that your one broken leg or a bleeding wound do not need to be addressed. If someone have it worse, they may need more help, but you still have it bad and still will get help. It is not a competition where the prize goes to only the one who has it worst.

Ahem, sorries. ^_^'


How is it that if i read a webcomic for enough pages, the chances of a character turning out LGBT approach 0? Is that an internet law?

Speculation about T. Proverb's Law of Webcomic Length and LGBT Chances:
I think it is a mixture of statistics and the fact that the internet is both a more sandbox-open (ie. you can't enforce RL customs on the entire internet, as anyone can make a site about anything and with any rules) and generally is populated by the younger generations.

Many webcomics have fairly large casts, which would make it quite improbable that nobody in it would ever be non-cis and/or non-straight. Many webcomics, being written by younger people and people who already embrace at least the technological development in society, also have less problems with LGBTAQ+ people and themes than more mainstream media do. This would mean that not only would it seem natural for there to eventually be some variation, but the creators would be more aware of social issues and movements' efforts to make media more varied.

Or, in other words; I think too much about this stuff. Sorries! ^_^'


How goes the thread this evening?

Pretty well, I think. Some terrible nightmares and experiences were had off the site by some, which is terrible, but hopefully everybody feels a bit better now. ^_^

It is half-past nine in the morning here, though, so your evening comment is clearly in error. All glory to the Kobold Clock! :smalltongue:

[Lentrax]

Bit About My Life, Which Is Only Vaugely Related To LGBTQ Stuff
Argument over me trusting people online. I trust all of you. You have no reason to lie here, and if you did, I don't care. I will accept your story at face value because that's what you want me to believe. My mother, especially, is worried about something involving me trusting people I haven't seen the face of, to judge if they're lying or not. Which makes it anger me, since I then don't want them to know about me and Karen/Sophia, since that's online only. And I don't really want to bring up the poly bit. Add that on top of having been fired from a temp job doing assembly line work for not keeping up with the line, losing a scholarship due to grades, one of the people who I value most that actually within 15 minutes driving distance is off to Denver for the summer, and some random other stuff going on, and you have the various downsides of life right now.


Subconscious used Nightmare! It's super effective!

TW: Dysphoria
Had a nightmare last night. In the nightmare, the moon was absolutely huge in the night sky. Talking way too large to be natural phenomena. The 'man in the moon' was looking right at me, and cursed me. Not a '**** you' curse, but a muffled dead language of whispers type curse. I heard six distinctly different voices all whispering out of sync with each other, "You are a man and will always be a man."

I woke up, and couldn't stop crying... I curled up tight as I could, hiding from the damned moonlight that was coming into my room from the slits between my blinds.


*hugs Karen and Eldest* ><; oi

Speaking of nightmares:

Lately I've had recurring ones where I physically fight my dad, or am verbally arguing with my mom. I haven't had a nasty argument with my mom in years, and I've NEVER had a fist fight with my dad <x.x> Weird stuff and quite unsettling.

I was told it might be due to sleep apnea though, and I could believe that. Dreams is freakin' weird < . .>

Those are some horrible nightmares. Fortunately, I am a warm hugs generator.

*BIG warm hugs*


Thanks for the hugs. Said it on Skype, Eldest, and will say it here for others:

Saying you shouldn't feel bad because others have it worse is like saying you shouldn't feel good because others have it better.

Rarely do I hear truer words...

[Lycunadari]

Congratulations on putting the exams behind you. Also: Colour me interested in any stories involving a portrayal of polyamorous characters. Especially written by you :smallwink:
Thanks! Here are my stories (http://regenwindundsterne.wordpress.com/). The next one should be ready in a few weeks, now that I have time for writing. :smallsmile:


I'm getting a "Forbidden" error message when I click that link.
Any other way to see that text? Anybody else have that problem? I'm in Ireland.
I have the same problem. Might be because we're in Europe?

Screenshots:
http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb416/noparlpf/p1_zps7fd10634.jpg
http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb416/noparlpf/p2_zps97e75d50.jpg
http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb416/noparlpf/p3_zpsc9ae9751.jpg
http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb416/noparlpf/p4_zps29217208.jpg

Links:
"Commercials are queerer than ever." (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=be9HRcphdfg)
"Out Now" (http://www.outnowconsulting.com/)
"Microsoft" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiQyqhjtkfw)
"Kindle" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wY1UIES9wx8)
"Gay Ad Network" (http://www.gayadnetwork.com/)
"International Gay and Lesbian Chamber of Commerce" (http://www.cglcc.ca/common/details.cfm?id=1185)

Edit: I DO IT THE HARD WAY.
Thanks!

Bit About My Life, Which Is Only Vaugely Related To LGBTQ Stuff
Argument over me trusting people online. I trust all of you. You have no reason to lie here, and if you did, I don't care. I will accept your story at face value because that's what you want me to believe. My mother, especially, is worried about something involving me trusting people I haven't seen the face of, to judge if they're lying or not. Which makes it anger me, since I then don't want them to know about me and Karen/Sophia, since that's online only. And I don't really want to bring up the poly bit. Add that on top of having been fired from a temp job doing assembly line work for not keeping up with the line, losing a scholarship due to grades, one of the people who I value most that actually within 15 minutes driving distance is off to Denver for the summer, and some random other stuff going on, and you have the various downsides of life right now.
*hugs*

Subconscious used Nightmare! It's super effective!

TW: Dysphoria
Had a nightmare last night. In the nightmare, the moon was absolutely huge in the night sky. Talking way too large to be natural phenomena. The 'man in the moon' was looking right at me, and cursed me. Not a '**** you' curse, but a muffled dead language of whispers type curse. I heard six distinctly different voices all whispering out of sync with each other, "You are a man and will always be a man."

I woke up, and couldn't stop crying... I curled up tight as I could, hiding from the damned moonlight that was coming into my room from the slits between my blinds.
Oh no. *hugs* :smallfrown:

*hugs Karen and Eldest* ><; oi

Speaking of nightmares:

Lately I've had recurring ones where I physically fight my dad, or am verbally arguing with my mom. I haven't had a nasty argument with my mom in years, and I've NEVER had a fist fight with my dad <x.x> Weird stuff and quite unsettling.

I was told it might be due to sleep apnea though, and I could believe that. Dreams is freakin' weird < . .>
Nightmares are bad. *hugs*

Well, hello everybody! Meet the brand new, out-to-my-parents me! :smallbiggrin: I mustered up courage, and I told them I'm gay, and they're fine with it! Except it led to some rather uncomfortable questions. But, anyway, it's good! And very random.

Parents: "Time to go to bed."
Me:"Ok. Good night, and oh! I'm gay. Good night!"
Yay for accepting parents! :smallsmile:

How goes the thread this evening?
Evening? It's not even midday! :smalltongue:

[Lentrax]

Or a couple hours before dawn for me.

[Mina Kobold]

I have the same problem. Might be because we're in Europe?

It showed the same for me, so it might be? ^_^'

As for your stories; would love to read them, but I don't think trying to learn German while I am supposed to read up on my Danish exam is the best course of action. X3

[Mono Vertigo]

That happen to you often, then?
I tend to introduce BF and his friends to shows that are strangely difficult to describe sanely and accurately. More than half the time, it ends with fanart and fanfics. The other half of the time, he's afraid to try it, in fear he'll get too addicted to study properly.([utl=http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Webcomic/AxisPowersHetalia?from=Main.AxisPowersHetalia]"So, it's a semi-historic manga with anthropomorphic countries, but it's absurdly cute... and it starts with Germany who finds Italy in a box during WWI... now I've described it this way, I understand why some find it offensive."[/url] "It's a car show, except it's more about the shenanigans of three middle-aged British men that sometimes happen to involve cars..." (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Series/TopGear?from=Main.TopGear)*, "You've got to help dwarves settle their fortress, it's a lot like the Sims in that they're terminally stupid, but also, nobody can learn how to decently play it under a week, and you will be killed horribly, and you will like it somehow" (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/VideoGame/DwarfFortress?from=Main.DwarfFortress) and, lastly, "... it's a... pseudo-game, and... it makes fun of its fandom without it noticing, I guess, and... err... huh... it's very, very weird." (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Webcomic/Homestuck?from=Main.Homestuck) (incidentally, he hasn't tried that one yet, as I haven't found a better description yet).)
He loved all of these (except the Homestuck one, obviously).
Then, there's the stuff that's mainstream enough for us not to need introducing, but that is actually somewhat difficult to describe accurately, and whose genre is not that clear-cut (Lost, Inception, Doctor Who, Portal...).



Long story short, we're not watching or playing much stuff that can be described in a single sentence without being met with skepticism by the average person.
So yeah, I've got a long story of being personally responsible for the production of fics, fanarts, and odd interests.



*I'm lying. When I first started describing the thing, I was half-asleep and kinda sick in front of the TV while BF was at work, and I stumbled upon it, and I spent the morning sending texts along the lines of "They put a car on top of a crane and described its lack of parachute as a negative", "I think they've just turned a van into a dirigible for no sensible reason" and "Holy [REDACTED] the car sank into the sea with the other guy still in the trunk because he tried to catch up with the ferry".
To my great surprise, when watching reruns, it turned out I had invented none of it, not even the bits where a piano fell on top of a car that already had a piano strapped to it.
@Lentrax: 10/10, would read again, outstanding fic.


*hugs Karen, Astrella, Lycunadari, Mist (may I call you Mist?) and all those who need it too*
Congrats, Akow!

[Partysan]

It showed the same for me, so it might be? ^_^'

As for your stories; would love to read them, but I don't think trying to learn German while I am supposed to read up on my Danish exam is the best course of action. X3

You know, it probably wouldn't be too much work to translate those stories into English. They aren't that long after all. Nice though, they are.

[noparlpf]

I tend to introduce BF and his friends to shows that are strangely difficult to describe sanely and accurately. More than half the time, it ends with fanart and fanfics. The other half of the time, he's afraid to try it, in fear he'll get too addicted to study properly.("So, it's a semi-historic manga with anthropomorphic countries, but it's absurdly cute... and it starts with Germany who finds Italy in a box during WWI... now I've described it this way, I understand why some find it offensive." (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Webcomic/AxisPowersHetalia?from=Main.AxisPowersHetalia) "It's a car show, except it's more about the shenanigans of three middle-aged British men that sometimes happen to involve cars..." (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Series/TopGear?from=Main.TopGear)*, "You've got to help dwarves settle their fortress, it's a lot like the Sims in that they're terminally stupid, but also, nobody can learn how to decently play it under a week, and you will be killed horribly, and you will like it somehow" (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/VideoGame/DwarfFortress?from=Main.DwarfFortress) and, lastly, "... it's a... pseudo-game, and... it makes fun of its fandom without it noticing, I guess, and... err... huh... it's very, very weird." (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Webcomic/Homestuck?from=Main.Homestuck) (incidentally, he hasn't tried that one yet, as I haven't found a better description yet).)
He loved all of these (except the Homestuck one, obviously).
Then, there's the stuff that's mainstream enough for us not to need introducing, but that is actually somewhat difficult to describe accurately, and whose genre is not that clear-cut (Lost, Inception, Doctor Who, Portal...).

Long story short, we're not watching or playing much stuff that can be described in a single sentence without being met with skepticism by the average person.
So yeah, I've got a long story of being personally responsible for the production of fics, fanarts, and odd interests.

*I'm lying. When I first started describing the thing, I was half-asleep and kinda sick in front of the TV while BF was at work, and I stumbled upon it, and I spent the morning sending texts along the lines of "They put a car on top of a crane and described its lack of parachute as a negative", "I think they've just turned a van into a dirigible for no sensible reason" and "Holy [REDACTED] the car sank into the sea with the other guy still in the trunk because he tried to catch up with the ferry".
To my great surprise, when watching reruns, it turned out I had invented none of it, not even the bits where a piano fell on top of a car that already had a piano strapped to it.

Aside from Top Gear, which I just heard of, the other three seem pretty popular. At least I see them online a lot. Hetalia and Homestuck especially are very popular on tumblr, so maybe that's why I get that impression. The friends of my friend whose tumblr I usually use are into that stuff. And maybe Dwarf Fortress isn't actually super-common and I just see your sig every day and think it is.
As for Inception, eh, I thought it was overrated. Doctor Who is basically a classic (have you watched the old ones?). Portal is terrific and the genre is puzzle-game/oh-crap-crazy-AIs.
Hmm, one sentence each...plus a few paranthetical comments that aren't necessary.
Hetalia: If you like cute anime guys or anthropomorphic WWI countries, and gags primarily based on national stereotypes, this is your show.
Homestuck: A popular webcomic with a rather complicated plot and an author who screws with his fans as much as possible. (I can't even try to describe the plot, but I assumed the main appeal was the author trolling his fans constantly?)
Portal: A sci-fi real-time puzzle game involving "portals", two moveable, connected ovals between which you can move instantly, oh and by the way, there is an insane AI screwing with you the whole time. (She is quite sassy.)
Doctor Who: "The Doctor" and various companions go on adventures through time and space, using a police box as transport; note that this started as '60s British sci-fi. (If you're used to high-definition color television and the modern tendency to change shots and angles every three seconds, this might be hard to get into.)

[mistformsquirrl]

Well, hello everybody! Meet the brand new, out-to-my-parents me! :smallbiggrin: I mustered up courage, and I told them I'm gay, and they're fine with it! Except it led to some rather uncomfortable questions. But, anyway, it's good! And very random.

Parents: "Time to go to bed."
Me:"Ok. Good night, and oh! I'm gay. Good night!"

Woohoo <^o^> Congratulations Akow! That's really cool!

[Eirala]

Subconscious used Nightmare! It's super effective!

TW: Dysphoria
Had a nightmare last night. In the nightmare, the moon was absolutely huge in the night sky. Talking way too large to be natural phenomena. The 'man in the moon' was looking right at me, and cursed me. Not a '**** you' curse, but a muffled dead language of whispers type curse. I heard six distinctly different voices all whispering out of sync with each other, "You are a man and will always be a man."

I woke up, and couldn't stop crying... I curled up tight as I could, hiding from the damned moonlight that was coming into my room from the slits between my blinds.

Wow that's harsh :smallfrown::smallfrown:
*so many hugs*



Bit About My Life, Which Is Only Vaugely Related To LGBTQ Stuff
Argument over me trusting people online. I trust all of you. You have no reason to lie here, and if you did, I don't care. I will accept your story at face value because that's what you want me to believe. My mother, especially, is worried about something involving me trusting people I haven't seen the face of, to judge if they're lying or not. Which makes it anger me, since I then don't want them to know about me and Karen/Sophia, since that's online only. And I don't really want to bring up the poly bit. Add that on top of having been fired from a temp job doing assembly line work for not keeping up with the line, losing a scholarship due to grades, one of the people who I value most that actually within 15 minutes driving distance is off to Denver for the summer, and some random other stuff going on, and you have the various downsides of life right now.
*hugs*


Well, hello everybody! Meet the brand new, out-to-my-parents me! :smallbiggrin: I mustered up courage, and I told them I'm gay, and they're fine with it! Except it led to some rather uncomfortable questions. But, anyway, it's good! And very random.

Parents: "Time to go to bed."
Me:"Ok. Good night, and oh! I'm gay. Good night!"
Was that an actual representation of what you said? xD
Anyway, i'm really glad it went well. :smallsmile: Yay for accepting parents!

[Taffimai]

Many, many thanks to everybody who went out of their way to allow me to read that article!

Re: LGBT in webcomics: I've always liked Boy Meets Boy (http://boymeetsboy.keenspot.com/), which is a finished story now, so you can go and read it in its entirety.

[Philemonite]

Hello thread, hugs for everyone, especially Karen and Eldest.

Akow, that is great.

Thats all the time I have today.(:smallfrown:)

[Heliomance]

Holy crap what the hell? You're on 10 pages already? I swear I only turned my back for a couple of days.

[Castaras]

There was some talk of people with anxiety a couple of pages ago. My pm box is open for anxiety related chatting, considering I've been going through anxiety issues over the past few months (for different reasons), and I can at least offer some sort of support and "yep, know the feeling" style comments.

[Irish Musician]

Discrimination is not bad, but it is often misused.
Exactly! :smallsmile: big time misused.......

~Matthew~

[Akowrules]

Well, that's an excellently amusing way to out oneself. I'm glad they took it well! :smallsmile:

(Did you have to stay awake to explain?)

Yeah, I did haha. It wasn't too long though. Just basic questions like when did you know, have you told anyone else, etc. Then, yesterday, after I was being picked up from Michael's house, my dad asks me some more questions. Most if them were fine, but then some started to get uncomfortable. Is Michael more than a friend? Have you kissed Michael? Have you had relations with Michael? Yeah. It was a very interesting day. Super uncomfortable as well.



Woohoo <^o^> Congratulations Akow! That's really cool!



Akow, that is great.



Congrats! GOODLUCK!

Thanks! :smallbiggrin:



Interesting way to come out, but I'm glad they took it well.

Quite like me. Random, completely out of the blue, and shakes the very foundations of the mental psyche! :smallbiggrin: and I'm also glad they took it well. I've too many friends who's parents haven't acted as half as well as mine did. Makes me a bit sad. :smallfrown:



Was that an actual representation of what you said? xD
Anyway, i'm really glad it went well. :smallsmile: Yay for accepting parents!

It was. Quite literally, word for word on what was sad, and yay for that!

[TaiLiu]

Yeah, I did haha. It wasn't too long though. Just basic questions like when did you know, have you told anyone else, etc. Then, yesterday, after I was being picked up from Michael's house, my dad asks me some more questions. Most if them were fine, but then some started to get uncomfortable. Is Michael more than a friend? Have you kissed Michael? Have you had relations with Michael? Yeah. It was a very interesting day. Super uncomfortable as well.
Oh, my. Well, it went well, and that's the important thing!

[Lix Lorn]

It might not look like it in your side of things, but on mine, there's always been an exception for Lix Lorn. I've seen arguments about who was more chaste and this superior break into flirting when you showed up. You're a superhero.

what .///////////////.

[Randomguy]

I tend to introduce BF and his friends to shows that are strangely difficult to describe sanely and accurately. More than half the time, it ends with fanart and fanfics. The other half of the time, he's afraid to try it, in fear he'll get too addicted to study properly.([utl=http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Webcomic/AxisPowersHetalia?from=Main.AxisPowersHetalia]"So, it's a semi-historic manga with anthropomorphic countries, but it's absurdly cute... and it starts with Germany who finds Italy in a box during WWI... now I've described it this way, I understand why some find it offensive."[/url] "It's a car show, except it's more about the shenanigans of three middle-aged British men that sometimes happen to involve cars..." (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Series/TopGear?from=Main.TopGear)*, "You've got to help dwarves settle their fortress, it's a lot like the Sims in that they're terminally stupid, but also, nobody can learn how to decently play it under a week, and you will be killed horribly, and you will like it somehow" (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/VideoGame/DwarfFortress?from=Main.DwarfFortress) and, lastly, "... it's a... pseudo-game, and... it makes fun of its fandom without it noticing, I guess, and... err... huh... it's very, very weird." (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Webcomic/Homestuck?from=Main.Homestuck) (incidentally, he hasn't tried that one yet, as I haven't found a better description yet).)
He loved all of these (except the Homestuck one, obviously).
Then, there's the stuff that's mainstream enough for us not to need introducing, but that is actually somewhat difficult to describe accurately, and whose genre is not that clear-cut (Lost, Inception, Doctor Who, Portal...).



Long story short, we're not watching or playing much stuff that can be described in a single sentence without being met with skepticism by the average person.
So yeah, I've got a long story of being personally responsible for the production of fics, fanarts, and odd interests.



*I'm lying. When I first started describing the thing, I was half-asleep and kinda sick in front of the TV while BF was at work, and I stumbled upon it, and I spent the morning sending texts along the lines of "They put a car on top of a crane and described its lack of parachute as a negative", "I think they've just turned a van into a dirigible for no sensible reason" and "Holy [REDACTED] the car sank into the sea with the other guy still in the trunk because he tried to catch up with the ferry".
To my great surprise, when watching reruns, it turned out I had invented none of it, not even the bits where a piano fell on top of a car that already had a piano strapped to it.
@Lentrax: 10/10, would read again, outstanding fic.


*hugs Karen, Astrella, Lycunadari, Mist (may I call you Mist?) and all those who need it too*
Congrats, Akow!


Aside from Top Gear, which I just heard of, the other three seem pretty popular. At least I see them online a lot. Hetalia and Homestuck especially are very popular on tumblr, so maybe that's why I get that impression. The friends of my friend whose tumblr I usually use are into that stuff. And maybe Dwarf Fortress isn't actually super-common and I just see your sig every day and think it is.
As for Inception, eh, I thought it was overrated. Doctor Who is basically a classic (have you watched the old ones?). Portal is terrific and the genre is puzzle-game/oh-crap-crazy-AIs.
Hmm, one sentence each...plus a few paranthetical comments that aren't necessary.
Hetalia: If you like cute anime guys or anthropomorphic WWI countries, and gags primarily based on national stereotypes, this is your show.
Homestuck: A popular webcomic with a rather complicated plot and an author who screws with his fans as much as possible. (I can't even try to describe the plot, but I assumed the main appeal was the author trolling his fans constantly?)
Portal: A sci-fi real-time puzzle game involving "portals", two moveable, connected ovals between which you can move instantly, oh and by the way, there is an insane AI screwing with you the whole time. (She is quite sassy.)
Doctor Who: "The Doctor" and various companions go on adventures through time and space, using a police box as transport; note that this started as '60s British sci-fi. (If you're used to high-definition color television and the modern tendency to change shots and angles every three seconds, this might be hard to get into.)

So that's what Hetalia's about...

My attempt at a one word scentence summary of Homestuck:
It's the story of a time-travelling bunny that saves the world.
Written in a format that's sort of a parody of a text-based adventure game, Homestuck is about four kids who play a game in which they must ascend.

[golentan]

So, I'm moving to my new place tomorrow. For the first time in my life, I will have a private living space.

[Lix Lorn]

Hooray! (cuddles)

[josienoms]

Hi all! I'm new to the thread (and pretty new to the forum) and thought that this might be a good place to ask for some advice from the friendly people in the Playground!

My girlfriend and I moved in together about a month ago, which is great! The problem comes from the location of our new house. It's right next door to her grandparents, who often drop by unannounced. As a result, we've been too afraid to really be intimate, since we don't want them to walk in on us.

But we're also too embarrassed to tell them that the reason we don't want them to come over unannounced is because we want to have sex. And the whole family lives close by, which means that they visit the others whenever they'd like as well, and we don't want them thinking that we don't want them to come over because we don't want them to be part of our lives, or that we don't want to be included in family gatherings, etc.

Basically, we're worried that they'll get offended if we ask them to give us some notice before coming over, since no one else in the family does that. Any thoughts?

[Akowrules]

You know, some things will just go right over my head, until someone grabs it and whacks me in the face with it. It took Michael to tell me that he'll come back different, that this will be the most difficult, life-changing thing in his life thus far. And now, I worry. I worry, and depression is settling back in. How wonderful. Guess I might as well get used it, since depression never really leaves me. It just dwells, filling up the empty holes in my heart and soul, spreading throughout my entire being, opening up old wounds and creating new ones. :smallfrown: Well, I better get off for now. I've my second ACT to go to tomorrow. This time with a written portion. Hope I do well....

[noparlpf]

So, I'm moving to my new place tomorrow. For the first time in my life, I will have a private living space.

Nifty. Nice place?


Hi all! I'm new to the thread (and pretty new to the forum) and thought that this might be a good place to ask for some advice from the friendly people in the Playground!

My girlfriend and I moved in together about a month ago, which is great! The problem comes from the location of our new house. It's right next door to her grandparents, who often drop by unannounced. As a result, we've been too afraid to really be intimate, since we don't want them to walk in on us.

But we're also too embarrassed to tell them that the reason we don't want them to come over unannounced is because we want to have sex. And the whole family lives close by, which means that they visit the others whenever they'd like as well, and we don't want them thinking that we don't want them to come over because we don't want them to be part of our lives, or that we don't want to be included in family gatherings, etc.

Basically, we're worried that they'll get offended if we ask them to give us some notice before coming over, since no one else in the family does that. Any thoughts?

Welcome!

Hm. What exactly is the point of your own home if your families still just wander in the front door at their convenience? I would be kind of annoyed if my mother showed up at my apartment unannounced and she's still the one paying my bills. I don't actually have any advice, though. I'm not sure how to handle that.

[TaiLiu]

So, I'm moving to my new place tomorrow. For the first time in my life, I will have a private living space.
Mm! Fun!

Basically, we're worried that they'll get offended if we ask them to give us some notice before coming over, since no one else in the family does that. Any thoughts?
Oo, that one's a bit difficult. Perhaps you could construct a soundproof room and lock the door, and when asked, state that it is an important room to conduct studies of the human body. Of course, this might not be the most cost-effective option...

You know, some things will just go right over my head, until someone grabs it and whacks me in the face with it. It took Michael to tell me that he'll come back different, that this will be the most difficult, life-changing thing in his life thus far. And now, I worry. I worry, and depression is settling back in. How wonderful. Guess I might as well get used it, since depression never really leaves me. It just dwells, filling up the empty holes in my heart and soul, spreading throughout my entire being, opening up old wounds and creating new ones. :smallfrown: Well, I better get off for now. I've my second ACT to go to tomorrow. This time with a written portion. Hope I do well....
Oh, dear. I wish you luck on both of these matters...

Hm. What exactly is the point of your own home if your families still just wander in the front door at their convenience?
It's a living space.

[tomandtish]

Hi all! I'm new to the thread (and pretty new to the forum) and thought that this might be a good place to ask for some advice from the friendly people in the Playground!

My girlfriend and I moved in together about a month ago, which is great! The problem comes from the location of our new house. It's right next door to her grandparents, who often drop by unannounced. As a result, we've been too afraid to really be intimate, since we don't want them to walk in on us.

But we're also too embarrassed to tell them that the reason we don't want them to come over unannounced is because we want to have sex. And the whole family lives close by, which means that they visit the others whenever they'd like as well, and we don't want them thinking that we don't want them to come over because we don't want them to be part of our lives, or that we don't want to be included in family gatherings, etc.

Basically, we're worried that they'll get offended if we ask them to give us some notice before coming over, since no one else in the family does that. Any thoughts?

Hmm… Before I could offer any advice on this, are they aware of the relationship? That is, are you worried about them interrupting you? Or about them discovering the relationship (if you aren’t ready to share this with them yet)?

It reads a little more like the first one, but it would be bad to offer advice based on a false assumption.

[josienoms]

It's more them interrupting us, they know we're a couple. Sorry I didn't make that clear. :smallredface:

[TaiLiu]

It's more them interrupting us, they know we're a couple. Sorry I didn't make that clear. :smallredface:
Hm. Every time you want want to engage in your activities, perhaps you could tell them. They probably have the curtsy to not enter.

[golentan]

My advice, just lock the door when you're getting busy. Then, unless you've given them the keys, they have to knock, and you can claim you were in the shower and that's why it took you a few minutes to come down.

Ooh, alternately, use the shower.

I'm sorry, I'll stop being weird for a few minutes now.

[TaiLiu]

Ooh, alternately, use the shower.
That would save on clean up time!

[josienoms]

My advice, just lock the door when you're getting busy. Then, unless you've given them the keys, they have to knock, and you can claim you were in the shower and that's why it took you a few minutes to come down.

Ooh, alternately, use the shower.

I'm sorry, I'll stop being weird for a few minutes now.

Actually, that's a really good idea. I don't know why I didn't think of it before. :smallredface:

We'll have to give it a try! Thanks a lot! :smallbiggrin:

[Lady Serpentine]

Hm. Every time you want want to engage in your activities, perhaps you could tell them. They probably have the curtsy to not enter.

I somehow doubt that this would help with the embarrassment bit that's the whole reason they didn't just ask them not to come over unannounced with an explanation of why. :smalltongue:

[TaiLiu]

I somehow doubt that this would help with the embarrassment bit that's the whole reason they didn't just ask them not to come over unannounced with an explanation of why. :smalltongue:
Yes; you're right. I don't know why I thought of that.

[golentan]

Well, I can understand a certain urge to shout it from the rooftops. And, how on finding such joy, one would wish to share this enlightenment with others, even when it is not the enlightenment they are seeking.

[SiuiS]

Hi all! I'm new to the thread (and pretty new to the forum) and thought that this might be a good place to ask for some advice from the friendly people in the Playground!

My girlfriend and I moved in together about a month ago, which is great! The problem comes from the location of our new house. It's right next door to her grandparents, who often drop by unannounced. As a result, we've been too afraid to really be intimate, since we don't want them to walk in on us.

But we're also too embarrassed to tell them that the reason we don't want them to come over unannounced is because we want to have sex. And the whole family lives close by, which means that they visit the others whenever they'd like as well, and we don't want them thinking that we don't want them to come over because we don't want them to be part of our lives, or that we don't want to be included in family gatherings, etc.

Basically, we're worried that they'll get offended if we ask them to give us some notice before coming over, since no one else in the family does that. Any thoughts?

I would just lock the door, mesel'. They know you are a couple. They know you do couple's things. I would also lock the door anyway because the one time I am so used to it that I don't investigate is the one time it's an assassin. :smalleek:

Alternately, hang a tie or a sock on the doorknob. When they ask why, probably later, say "you know, like college kids? Or when you're at a hotel, and want room service to stay out?" And see if they get the joke :smallbiggrin:


So, I'm moving to my new place tomorrow. For the first time in my life, I will have a private living space.

Congratulations! Are you looking forward to it or worried about it? Big stuff either way.


what .///////////////.

It's actually happened. Lix Lorn, Heliomance, Phoekun, Keveak and Jakhaivah are the posters who seemed famous even before I actually signed up for the forum, both because I recognized them but also because other people did. It adds a sense of depth when someone declares another to be their senior, y'know?


It's more them interrupting us, they know we're a couple. Sorry I didn't make that clear. :smallredface:

Then yeah, just lock the door and have fun!


My advice, just lock the door when you're getting busy. Then, unless you've given them the keys, they have to knock, and you can claim you were in the shower and that's why it took you a few minutes to come down.

Ooh, alternately, use the shower.

Yeah, that's fun, but be careful. Slippery floors and running water lead to banged foreheads or infections.


That would save on clean up time!

Not so much as you would think...

[hoverfrog]

The problem comes from the location of our new house. It's right next door to her grandparents, who often drop by unannounced. As a result, we've been too afraid to really be intimate, since we don't want them to walk in on us.There are probably easier ways to teach relatives to call before coming round than having them walk in on you doing the deed. Have you thought about hanging a sock on the door knob? :smallwink:

Seriously though it isn't just sex that they can interrupt. What if you have friends over or plans for the day? What if you're working or studying and need to concentrate? What if you're painting miniatures? Perhaps couching it in terms that don't reference making the beast with two backs might be less embarrassing.

That or just take to walking around your own home in the nude. It's summer. It's hot. It's your private space. Why not? They'll soon learn to call first.

[SiuiS]

Tch. I wish the Pink Pimp Hat'd Panther offered me a magical sex change. (http://footloosecomic.com/cherry/cherry_main.php?page=10)

[Mina Kobold]

Hi all! I'm new to the thread (and pretty new to the forum) and thought that this might be a good place to ask for some advice from the friendly people in the Playground!

Hiya! ^_^

It's already been said much better than I could, but I am sure the visiting family members would understand that you'd want a warning. It could inconvenience you if you were in the shower, eating, studying, being sexually intimate, sleeping or doing something akin to those, but it would probably also be a good thing for them, such that you don't risk leaving them waiting for you to open the door on a day where you weren't home. :smallsmile:


It's actually happened. Lix Lorn, Heliomance, Phoekun, Keveak and Jakhaivah are the posters who seemed famous even before I actually signed up for the forum, both because I recognized them but also because other people did. It adds a sense of depth when someone declares another to be their senior, y'know?

I, what, me? I-I'm famous? ._.

Eeep! >_<

http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2013/132/7/2/arcane_dragon_desk_of_hiding_by_keveak-d653k3n.png
Lixie's desk seemed a bit unsafe, so I made my own. Sorries! >_<


Tch. I wish the Pink Pimp Hat'd Panther offered me a magical sex change. (http://footloosecomic.com/cherry/cherry_main.php?page=10)

Kitty! OwO

[Mono Vertigo]

Hi, josienoms! Welcome here!
Ah, family members with... a more liberal concept of privacy. Locking the door is the rational and easy solution indeed.
You might also try explaining to them beforehand that, sometimes, you're just "busy" (or air-quotation-free busy), have other plans incompatible with their presence, and that it's nothing personal. If your closest family members get thick over what you mean, I suggest generous use of increasingly funny and obscure metaphors and innuendo, because if there's a single opportunity where you can afford to communicate in unclear terms, you should take advantage of it to use silly metaphors.
(No, you're not asleep or drunk, I am advocating vague communication. Yes, I am as surprised as you are.)



@SiuiS: I know a frightening amount of otherwise open-minded parents for whom the thought that their child, who is in a relationship, might be having sex in their room, never seems to cross their mind. These same parents tend to have a shaky concept of privacy as well.
That amount is precisely one, and she's my mom <_< >_> she's very fortunate I rank pretty high on the asexual spectrum.

[SiuiS]

So, I've got a Five-YearSix Month plan; scrape together enough credit to take a crash course in paramedic/EMT training, at a school with over 98% success at immediate job placement, starting this fall. I will meanwhile be saving up for electrolysis, tracheal shave, and eventual other things, and also looking into/training to become a multifaith chaplain.

In the meanwhile, I have to integrate this into my day-to-day routine solidly enough that I A) don't forget and B) don't burn out from lack of sufficient progress. Any thoughts? So far mild exercise, yoga, and some voice training is all I've got until i actually have a job which pays at/above minimum wage...

[Heliomance]

It's actually happened. Lix Lorn, Heliomance, Phoekun, Keveak and Jakhaivah are the posters who seemed famous even before I actually signed up for the forum

Aduhbuh what? Me, famous? What is this madness?

[Karen Lynn]

Hi, just popping in to give hugs. Feeling good today.

[Lentrax]

Aduhbuh what? Me, famous? What is this madness?

Kinda true, hon.

Reading all your lives and how close all of you were... Well it's part of why I started posting too.

Though I'd probably add Zorg to that list as well.

[The Succubus]

Hi, just popping in to give hugs. Feeling good today.

*hugs Karen* ^_^

[SiuiS]

Aduhbuh what? Me, famous? What is this madness?

Several years before I actually signed up for the forum, I came across a 3.5 argument that you spoke up in. Someone necro'd the thread, saying "we should thank him for that!"
"Her. Helio is a girl."
"No, that's just the avatar, I thought?"
"Y'know, I see aheliomance all the time and never ask"
"Yeah, s/he's been around so long i just assumed other posters knew."
"Who cares? Helio was right"
"Yeah, it would be rude. Just thank Heliomance, don't thank "that guy/girl who helped"
Etc., along with people stepping up as character witnesses. It happened long enough ago that I forgot the answer (you popped back and answered at some point) before I found my way here.

Edit: Zorg is a heavyweight in this thread, but I meant people who had names/faces/reputations I'd remember when I first signed up. I recall being surprised that Lix Lorn actually spoke to me like an equal, at one point. Same with Phoe, and Alucard even deferred to me at one point! I think Coidzor was the other, but he was 'that guy who, I know he's speaking English, and making sense, but all I'm hearing is Greek right now'. Very information sense speech, that Coidzor.

Serpentine followed soon, being so friendly and outspoken.

[mistformsquirrl]

Hi, just popping in to give hugs. Feeling good today.

Good feels are full of win <^_^>

[Irish Musician]

Hi all! I'm new to the thread (and pretty new to the forum) and thought that this might be a good place to ask for some advice from the friendly people in the Playground!

My girlfriend and I moved in together about a month ago, which is great! The problem comes from the location of our new house. It's right next door to her grandparents, who often drop by unannounced. As a result, we've been too afraid to really be intimate, since we don't want them to walk in on us.

But we're also too embarrassed to tell them that the reason we don't want them to come over unannounced is because we want to have sex. And the whole family lives close by, which means that they visit the others whenever they'd like as well, and we don't want them thinking that we don't want them to come over because we don't want them to be part of our lives, or that we don't want to be included in family gatherings, etc.

Basically, we're worried that they'll get offended if we ask them to give us some notice before coming over, since no one else in the family does that. Any thoughts?
Here is the thing with family. Tough love. Tell them to get their butts out of the way so you and your lady can be alone together. You don't have to go into detail for what "alone" means. Just tell them they you two need some alone time because you are a couple and that is what couples do. Sometimes, you just need to kick people out of your business for a little while. It doesn't even have to be about sex, sometimes you just want to watch a movie with your SO without distractions and have "us" time. If that happens to lead to happy-fun-time, then so be it :smallamused:

On a side note, it would bug the everliving crap out of me if people dropped by my house unannounced. Not only am I a oddly private person, but now that I don't have any neighbors I tend to walk around the house....well.....ya know. Naked

Oh I almost forgot my new person greeting:
WELCOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Aduhbuh what? Me, famous? What is this madness?
This is very true. All of you guys, when I first joined, it was like celebrities :smallwink:
Lixie would pop in and I could see the flashes of the Paparazzi going as she walked to her car. Not a bad thing in my eyes, because there are always people who have been in thread, no matter what forum, for a long time and tend to be known by everyone and almost seem "larger than life" to newbies to the thread. No one on that list ever acted "snotty" or anything in the least....but you are very known :smallamused:

Hi, just popping in to give hugs. Feeling good today.
*HUUUUUUUUUUUUUGZ*

Kinda true, hon.

Reading all your lives and how close all of you were... Well it's part of why I started posting too.

Though I'd probably add Zorg to that list as well.
Seconded. Zorg.....yeah.....defintiely Zorg :smallsmile:

~Matthew~

[Mina Kobold]

Aduhbuh what? Me, famous? What is this madness?

Maybe they are secretly recording our posts for a hidden reality show? Eep, are they spying on us right now? O_O


Hi, just popping in to give hugs. Feeling good today.

*Glompses*

Feeling good is great! ^_^


Edit: Zorg is a heavyweight in this thread, but I meant people who had names/faces/reputations I'd remember when I first signed up. I recall being surprised that Lix Lorn actually spoke to me like an equal, at one point. Same with Phoe, and Alucard even deferred to me at one point! I think Coidzor was the other, but he was 'that guy who, I know he's speaking English, and making sense, but all I'm hearing is Greek right now'. Very information sense speech, that Coidzor.

Serpentine followed soon, being so friendly and outspoken.

Eee! I remember that feeling when I was getting to know the forum back when I was just a bratty obnoxious 14-year-old...

Oh goodness, I feel like Granny Smith levels of remembering-the-olden-days ancient now. Meep. ._.

[Lentrax]

Several years before I actually signed up for the forum, I came across a 3.5 argument that you spoke up in. Someone necro'd the thread, saying "we should thank him for that!"
"Her. Helio is a girl."
"No, that's just the avatar, I thought?"
"Y'know, I see aheliomance all the time and never ask"
"Yeah, s/he's been around so long i just assumed other posters knew."
"Who cares? Helio was right"
"Yeah, it would be rude. Just thank Heliomance, don't thank "that guy/girl who helped"
Etc., along with people stepping up as character witnesses. It happened long enough ago that I forgot the answer (you popped back and answered at some point) before I found my way here.

Edit: Zorg is a heavyweight in this thread, but I meant people who had names/faces/reputations I'd remember when I first signed up. I recall being surprised that Lix Lorn actually spoke to me like an equal, at one point. Same with Phoe, and Alucard even deferred to me at one point! I think Coidzor was the other, but he was 'that guy who, I know he's speaking English, and making sense, but all I'm hearing is Greek right now'. Very information sense speech, that Coidzor.

Serpentine followed soon, being so friendly and outspoken.

Suppose she would be on my list then...

Still.

[Ilena]

You know, some things will just go right over my head, until someone grabs it and whacks me in the face with it. It took Michael to tell me that he'll come back different, that this will be the most difficult, life-changing thing in his life thus far. And now, I worry. I worry, and depression is settling back in. How wonderful. Guess I might as well get used it, since depression never really leaves me. It just dwells, filling up the empty holes in my heart and soul, spreading throughout my entire being, opening up old wounds and creating new ones. :smallfrown: Well, I better get off for now. I've my second ACT to go to tomorrow. This time with a written portion. Hope I do well....

awww *hugs* i hope things work out for you two eventually, or if not that you find happiness anyway!

As for happiness, i think im going to attempt a ride today, doesnt seem to be raining and my horses are so wanting to go! :p

[Lady Serpentine]

As for happiness, i think im going to attempt a ride today, doesnt seem to be raining and my horses are so wanting to go! :p

Lucky. I haven't been able to ride since the people I knew who had horses moved away. :smallfrown:

Hope it goes well, though! :smallsmile:

[Philemonite]

My first impression of thread hierarchy:

KenderWizard (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheLeader)-She started the first thread I posted in
Karen Lynn (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheLancer)-The everchanging Eevee
Eldest (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheBigGuy)-Big Brother
Lentrax (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheSmartGuy)-Voice Of Reason
Akowrules (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheChick)-The Cute One:smallredface:
And our token cis straight white male poster, Irish Musician (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SixthRanger)


Hi all! I'm new to the thread (and pretty new to the forum) and thought that this might be a good place to ask for some advice from the friendly people in the Playground!

Welcome

[Irish Musician]

Tch. I wish the Pink Pimp Hat'd Panther offered me a magical sex change. (http://footloosecomic.com/cherry/cherry_main.php?page=10)
Eddie Izzard does a good bit on people mistaking him for a gay man, instead of a transvestite (that's the correct term yes? :smallredface:). It is pretty funny.


And our token cis straight white male poster, Irish Musician (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SixthRanger)
Haha, cool. I've never been a token anything :smallsmile:

~Matthew~

[Lentrax]

My first impression of thread hierarchy:

KenderWizard (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheLeader)-She started the first thread I posted in
Karen Lynn (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheLancer)-The everchanging Eevee
Eldest (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheBigGuy)-Bug Brother
Lentrax (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheSmartGuy)-Voice Of Reason
Akowrules (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheChick)-The Cute One:smallredface:
And our token cis straight white male poster, Irish Musician (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SixthRanger)


Voice of Reason?

Really?

I thought I was more the wisecracking fool who is in way over his head....

@Irish: you can be my token awesome friend.

[Mina Kobold]

Eddie Izzard does a good bit on people mistaking him for a gay man, instead of a transvestite (that's the correct term yes? :smallredface:). It is pretty funny.

It appears to be the correct term for Steve, the main character in that comic, though I admit I have no idea what Eddie Izzard identifies as. ^_^'


Haha, cool. I've never been a token anything :smallsmile:

~Matthew~

Token not-often-a-token? :3

[Lix Lorn]

It's more them interrupting us, they know we're a couple. Sorry I didn't make that clear. :smallredface:
Well, if locked doors aren't enough, I'd suggest sucking it up for a little embarrassment, and asking a close family member (parent if necessary, cousin/sibling would be ideal) 'What do you do about people coming around if you want to have smexytimes?'

Since they've likely had the same problem and will understand. :smallsmile:


It's actually happened. Lix Lorn, Heliomance, Phoekun, Keveak and Jakhaivah are the posters who seemed famous even before I actually signed up for the forum, both because I recognized them but also because other people did. It adds a sense of depth when someone declares another to be their senior, y'know?
whaaaat.
I am not a big famous poster! Serps is! And Asta! And Helio! :smalleek::smallredface: (hide)

[Philemonite]

Voice of Reason?

Really?

I thought I was more the wisecracking fool who is in way over his head....

That was my first impression.:smalltongue:

[Astrella]

Thanks everyone... I'm still feeling really anxious sadly and I'm not sure how to manage it. :/


Going to bed right now, Astrella, but drop me a PM if you wanna talk more privately.

Or just need to vent on someone who can take I and then offer some mid to fair advice on it.

Thank you, I will I think.


PS. Astrella: I love you avatar.

Aww, you should be complimenting Musashi though, she made it.


@Astrella: *hugs* Anxiety is awful. Here's hoping you can make some progress beating it soon. I've just had a couple of terrible nights with mine, only to realise this morning that I missed a couple of doses of my meds. Stupid Lauren is stupid.

I can't find now the post where someone recommended neck massage with a tennis ball, but thank you for the idea. The pain's spread down to the back of my shoulder as of last night; I'm going to change pillows and see if that helps.

I hope you feel better soon, both anxiety wise and shoulder pain wise.


So I thought long, and I thought hard, and I read, and I researched, and I Thought some more... and I finally came to a conclusion about my trans*-ness/gender-binary:

It doesn't matter.

After a long headache inducing pro and con match-up, reading what posters have posted (Thank you so much btw) and general worring, I needed a break from the hard thinking, and I thought "Do I feel trapped/do I need to change?"

Answer? No.

Although I do feel uncomfortable acting feminine without a body to match, long for the clothes of a woman, and a third reason (http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&ved=0CEcQFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Ftvtropes.org%2Fpmwiki%2Fpmwiki.ph p%2FMain%2FRuleOfThree&ei=QzGxUdelN4ijyAGA54HABA&usg=AFQjCNFjUXkv1Eu_rInzP8hK0crUN6GX9A&bvm=bv.47534661,d.aWc). I realised that I'm perfectly fine how I am, and changing things will make things alot worse before they get better (If they do).

I don't like thinking of having to end my relationship with my girlfriend (although she may still love my if I do transition*, she already has some issues about the lack of sexual intimacy** we have already). I'm in high school, so it would be a while before i can do anything anyway, and I really don't need to be thinking about this right now.

I have come to the conclusion that I am a girl*** in an slightly itchy suit of a man, and not trapped, but more... "It could be better, but honestly, its still pretty bitchin' "

*We had a conversation about something like this, that she would love me even If i was gay, and that we could still be together as long as we still were attracted+loved each other.
**I don't like sexual activities very much, casued some problems...
*** Not a women, but a girl, a young energetic girl.

*MuffinPuffin attempts to be more involved in the thread!*
Oh noes, what happend!

Glad you came to a realization about yourself. :smallsmile:


Bit About My Life, Which Is Only Vaugely Related To LGBTQ Stuff
Argument over me trusting people online. I trust all of you. You have no reason to lie here, and if you did, I don't care. I will accept your story at face value because that's what you want me to believe. My mother, especially, is worried about something involving me trusting people I haven't seen the face of, to judge if they're lying or not. Which makes it anger me, since I then don't want them to know about me and Karen/Sophia, since that's online only. And I don't really want to bring up the poly bit. Add that on top of having been fired from a temp job doing assembly line work for not keeping up with the line, losing a scholarship due to grades, one of the people who I value most that actually within 15 minutes driving distance is off to Denver for the summer, and some random other stuff going on, and you have the various downsides of life right now.

I'm sorry to hear that, Eldest. *offers hugs*
The whole "People online can't be trusted / aren't real" thing really annoys me. Mrr, sorry to hear about all the other stuff as well. :c


Subconscious used Nightmare! It's super effective!

TW: Dysphoria
Had a nightmare last night. In the nightmare, the moon was absolutely huge in the night sky. Talking way too large to be natural phenomena. The 'man in the moon' was looking right at me, and cursed me. Not a '**** you' curse, but a muffled dead language of whispers type curse. I heard six distinctly different voices all whispering out of sync with each other, "You are a man and will always be a man."

I woke up, and couldn't stop crying... I curled up tight as I could, hiding from the damned moonlight that was coming into my room from the slits between my blinds.

*hugs again* That sounds really unpleasant and upsetting. Our subconscious can be a real ass. :/


There was some talk of people with anxiety a couple of pages ago. My pm box is open for anxiety related chatting, considering I've been going through anxiety issues over the past few months (for different reasons), and I can at least offer some sort of support and "yep, know the feeling" style comments.

Hm, thank you.


So, I'm moving to my new place tomorrow. For the first time in my life, I will have a private living space.

Yay, congratulations~


Hi all! I'm new to the thread (and pretty new to the forum) and thought that this might be a good place to ask for some advice from the friendly people in the Playground!

Hello~


You know, some things will just go right over my head, until someone grabs it and whacks me in the face with it. It took Michael to tell me that he'll come back different, that this will be the most difficult, life-changing thing in his life thus far. And now, I worry. I worry, and depression is settling back in. How wonderful. Guess I might as well get used it, since depression never really leaves me. It just dwells, filling up the empty holes in my heart and soul, spreading throughout my entire being, opening up old wounds and creating new ones. :smallfrown: Well, I better get off for now. I've my second ACT to go to tomorrow. This time with a written portion. Hope I do well....

I hope it works out on both things for you.

[SiuiS]

Eddie Izzard does a good bit on people mistaking him for a gay man, instead of a transvestite (that's the correct term yes? :smallredface:). It is pretty funny.

Izzard is pretty funny.


It appears to be the correct term for Steve, the main character in that comic, though I admit I have no idea what Eddie Izzard identifies as. ^_^'

According to Izzard himself, he is an executive trasvestite. I... Assume that's like royalty?

Transvestite is the term for someone who enjoys cross dressing. I think it's predominantly pejorative, but has been "reclaimed" as the kids say. It comes from the same root, I think, but causes troubles with slurs and erasure, I believe.

Tangentially, I think it may be a bad idea to phrase hierarchies. Saying certain posters have been more noticeable is one thing, ranking them is skirmishing with forum rules.



whaaaat.
I am not a big famous poster! Serps is! And Asta! And Helio! :smalleek::smallredface: (hide)

Honesty, I think if I gave it time i could name a point where I've crosse every playgrounder I know by name. The playground is a small world, and full of friends.

[Astrella]

So, I've got a Five-YearSix Month plan; scrape together enough credit to take a crash course in paramedic/EMT training, at a school with over 98% success at immediate job placement, starting this fall. I will meanwhile be saving up for electrolysis, tracheal shave, and eventual other things, and also looking into/training to become a multifaith chaplain.

In the meanwhile, I have to integrate this into my day-to-day routine solidly enough that I A) don't forget and B) don't burn out from lack of sufficient progress. Any thoughts? So far mild exercise, yoga, and some voice training is all I've got until i actually have a job which pays at/above minimum wage...

Hmm, I can't really think of anything right now, but I'll give it a thought. I hope the paramedic training works out well and you get a job out of it. :smallsmile:

-----

I joined way back in thread 13 I think, and quite a few people from then don't really post anymore..

[Heliomance]

Several years before I actually signed up for the forum, I came across a 3.5 argument that you spoke up in. Someone necro'd the thread, saying "we should thank him for that!"
"Her. Helio is a girl."
"No, that's just the avatar, I thought?"
"Y'know, I see aheliomance all the time and never ask"
"Yeah, s/he's been around so long i just assumed other posters knew."
"Who cares? Helio was right"
"Yeah, it would be rude. Just thank Heliomance, don't thank "that guy/girl who helped"
Etc., along with people stepping up as character witnesses. It happened long enough ago that I forgot the answer (you popped back and answered at some point) before I found my way here.

I... don't remember that at all. Also, I thought I'd only had the female avatar for a year or two - I got it for a gender bender week, then never changed back. Any idea where the thread was? I'd be quite interested in reading that! ^_^

[josienoms]

Oh wow, thank you all for your responses! I think we're just going to try locking the doors, and see where that gets us. I'm sure they'll understand.

I'll also mention that you've all made me feel very welcome, and I thank you for it! :smallbiggrin:

[SiuiS]

I... don't remember that at all. Also, I thought I'd only had the female avatar for a year or two - I got it for a gender bender week, then never changed back. Any idea where the thread was? I'd be quite interested in reading that! ^_^

I don't know the thread, but it had to have been around '09, and was the avatar with a hat so coquettishly balanced upon thy head.


Oh wow, thank you all for your responses! I think we're just going to try locking the doors, and see where that gets us. I'm sure they'll understand.

I'll also mention that you've all made me feel very welcome, and I thank you for it! :smallbiggrin:

Glad to make you feel welcome!

[Lady Serpentine]

I'll also mention that you've all made me feel very welcome, and I thank you for it! :smallbiggrin:

You're welcome. And speaknig of which, have a somewhat belated welcome from me, too! :smallbiggrin:

[Heliomance]

I don't know the thread, but it had to have been around '09, and was the avatar with a hat so coquettishly balanced upon thy head.

I certainly haven't had that avatar since 09. This (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=172656) was the first post I ever made in Friendly Banter, and I got the avatar some time afterwards as part of a gender bender avatar week.

[Eldest]

Oh wow, thank you all for your responses! I think we're just going to try locking the doors, and see where that gets us. I'm sure they'll understand.

I'll also mention that you've all made me feel very welcome, and I thank you for it! :smallbiggrin:

Crapcrapcrapforgottowelcomesomebody.
Welcome!


My first impression of thread hierarchy:

KenderWizard (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheLeader)-She started the first thread I posted in
Karen Lynn (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheLancer)-The everchanging Eevee
Eldest (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheBigGuy)-Bug Brother
Lentrax (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheSmartGuy)-Voice Of Reason
Akowrules (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheChick)-The Cute One:smallredface:
And our token cis straight white male poster, Irish Musician (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SixthRanger)



Welcome

Ibuhwhat? :smallredface:

[Philemonite]

Ibuhwhat? :smallredface:

Must be your avatar.:smallwink:

[Eldest]

Must be your avatar.:smallwink:

I guess? It's your opinion, though now I'm curious which type you think I am. Still, kinda surprising, since there are of number of the other posters who I regard as senior. (Lix. :smalltongue:) Not just her, it's just fun to embarrass her. :P

[SiuiS]

I certainly haven't had that avatar since 09. This (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=172656) was the first post I ever made in Friendly Banter, and I got the avatar some time afterwards as part of a gender bender avatar week.

That's why I was vague on the exact date. Lemme see...

Oh, I started out early '11, so my six month leeway wasn't wide enough. It was before I signed up so I'd put it mid-2010 then.

Was... Was that avatar a gender bent one? I thought it was intentionally androgynous?

[Philemonite]

I guess? It's your opinion, though now I'm curious which type you think I am. Still, kinda surprising, since there are of number of the other posters who I regard as senior. (Lix. :smalltongue:) Not just her, it's just fun to embarrass her. :P

Type?

Like I said, that was my first impression, and Lix didn't post in the first thread I posted.

[Eldest]

The Big Guy on the Five-Man Band can be subdivided into five classes:
Class 1: The gruff, mean, scarred and withdrawn warrior. Could go so far as to be a Berserker, particularly of the Death Seeker variety. In an entire Five-Man Band of ass-kickers, their big guy is most likely be a class 1, ready to punch you in the face for smiling at him.
Class 2: The Gentle Giant who you don't want to push too far. Often when the other members are younger, he will be older and outside of battle is the calming element in the group, offering both experience and wisdom, or just able to pull two others apart easily.
Class 3: The kind that looks like the first but is secretly the second.
Class 4: The Boisterous Bruiser, whose presence is larger than his physical size. Often a Berserker of the Blood Knight variety, or an Emotional Bruiser.
Class 5: A Genius Bruiser who can also fill the role of The Smart Guy. This character is rare, (presumably also for balance reasons) as The Smart Guy is traditionally unimposing and the Non-Action Guy. This version uses their muscle intelligently, the polar opposite of the Dumb Muscle. Occasionally overlaps with Robot Buddy.

That thing. Yes, technically class. Don't care. :smalltongue:

[Philemonite]

That thing. Yes, technically class. Don't care. :smalltongue:

Class 2/5, like Hank McCoy:smalltongue:

[Akowrules]

My first impression of thread hierarchy:

KenderWizard (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheLeader)-She started the first thread I posted in
Karen Lynn (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheLancer)-The everchanging Eevee
Eldest (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheBigGuy)-Bug Brother
Lentrax (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheSmartGuy)-Voice Of Reason
Akowrules (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheChick)-The Cute One:smallredface:
And our token cis straight white male poster, Irish Musician (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SixthRanger)



Welcome

I'm the cute one? Not that I'm complaining, I'm just wondering how people see me as cute, yet I don't see it.....


Anyway, ACT went pretty well. Still not really cheery at this point. Hope I get better soon. Probably not going to happen. If it does, it'll be right before Michael leaves, and then I'll be back in square one once more.

[turkishproverb]

My first impression of thread hierarchy:

KenderWizard (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheLeader)-She started the first thread I posted in
Karen Lynn (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheLancer)-The everchanging Eevee
Eldest (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheBigGuy)-Big Brother
Lentrax (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheSmartGuy)-Voice Of Reason
Akowrules (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheChick)-The Cute One:smallredface:
And our token cis straight white male poster, Irish Musician (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SixthRanger)



Welcome

So then I'm no-one? :smallconfused: Well, that does place me at a higher level than in my own family. :smalltongue:

[Philemonite]

So then I'm no-one? :smallconfused: Well, that does place me at a higher level than in my own family. :smalltongue:

Like I said, that was my first impression, I couldn't notice everyone first. I notice you now.:smalltongue:

[Heliomance]

That's why I was vague on the exact date. Lemme see...

Oh, I started out early '11, so my six month leeway wasn't wide enough. It was before I signed up so I'd put it mid-2010 then.

Was... Was that avatar a gender bent one? I thought it was intentionally androgynous?

This was my first custom avvie, by Strategos, which was intentionally androgynous:

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a265/Heliomance/Oots_Avvies/HeliosSwashbuckler.png

This is the avvie I got from araveugnitsuga in my first genderbender week, which became my standard avatar when I didn't change away:

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a265/Heliomance/Oots_Avvies/HeliomancerAvatar.png

[Lix Lorn]

(Lix. :smalltongue:) Not just her, it's just fun to embarrass her. :P
I hate you all. >: (
I love you all xD


Class 2/5, like Hank McCoy:smalltongue:


I'm the cute one? Not that I'm complaining, I'm just wondering how people see me as cute, yet I don't see it.....
Now I am jealous I didn't get a tvtrope class. Maybe I'm the evil chick?

[mistformsquirrl]

I must be the resident nutty squirrel (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NuttySquirrel?from=Main.EverythingsNuttierWithSqui rrels) then? <_<

[Akowrules]

I hate you all. >: (
I love you all xD




Now I am jealous I didn't get a tvtrope class. Maybe I'm the evil chick?

You? Evil? I think I've met angels more evil than you. You're simply too nice to be evil. :smalltongue: Maybe you're the chick all the main characters go to for guidance/recieve a deep and meaningful quest and/or storyline?

[Philemonite]

I hate you all. >: (
I love you all xD




Now I am jealous I didn't get a tvtrope class. Maybe I'm the evil chick?

You didn't post in the first thread I posted in, so, no tv tropes for you.:smalltongue:

I hope Kendra doesn't smite me for this but here (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FairestOfThemAll)

[Lentrax]

I hate you all. >: (
I love you all xD




Now I am jealous I didn't get a tvtrope class. Maybe I'm the evil chick?

Not evil, Lix. Just a bit on the naughty side of the fence.

[Lady Serpentine]

You didn't post in the first thread I posted in, so, no tv tropes for you.:smalltongue:

I hope Kendra doesn't smite me for this but here (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FairestOfThemAll)

Bah. Lixie's not envious. She doesn't need to be envious!

[Philemonite]

Bah. Lixie's not envious. She doesn't need to be envious!

She's on the other side of the trope.:smalltongue:

[Lix Lorn]

You didn't post in the first thread I posted in, so, no tv tropes for you.:smalltongue:

I hope Kendra doesn't smite me for this but here (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FairestOfThemAll)
:smallredface:


You? Evil? I think I've met angels more evil than you. You're simply too nice to be evil. :smalltongue: Maybe you're the chick all the main characters go to for guidance/recieve a deep and meaningful quest and/or storyline?
:redface:
http://oi43.tinypic.com/15f4xvr.jpg

[SiuiS]

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a265/Heliomance/Oots_Avvies/HeliomancerAvatar.png

Then all I can think of is I stumbled upon it around this point or later, when you'd changed the avatar. This was the one though.

[Mina Kobold]

Anyway, ACT went pretty well. Still not really cheery at this point. Hope I get better soon. Probably not going to happen. If it does, it'll be right before Michael leaves, and then I'll be back in square one once more.

*Offers all the Kobold hugs*

I hope it turns out as painless as possible in the end. ;_;


This was my first custom avvie, by Strategos, which was intentionally androgynous:

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a265/Heliomance/Oots_Avvies/HeliosSwashbuckler.png

This is the avvie I got from araveugnitsuga in my first genderbender week, which became my standard avatar when I didn't change away:

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a265/Heliomance/Oots_Avvies/HeliomancerAvatar.png

That wasn't the gender-bender week where I had a spooky tea-party in the theme week thread, was it? ^_^'


I must be the resident nutty squirrel (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NuttySquirrel?from=Main.EverythingsNuttierWithSqui rrels) then? <_<

You are certainly the adorable squirrel, though I am not sure that is a trope. ^w^'

I hope I am not the usual tropes Kobolds are, I don't want to be an evil minion or a measure-less mook! I am a kilogramic good minion! >_<

[Lentrax]

Just remember, Lixie, that some of usme have taken the Solar Bond background. :smallwink::smallamused:

Anyways, I like to say it every thread at least once, but its true so I'll keep on saying it.

I love you all. You are all such wonderful, brave, beautiful people. It's hard to not feel the love in here, the understanding, and the support. It is to all of you, I say, it is more important to be happy, than it is to be right. If the two happen to be the same, so much the better.

Good night my friends.

All the hugs,

Lentrax.

[Mono Vertigo]

Holy damn, I've been here for that long? Feels like it's only been a few months, and everyone's a veteran but I. D:


@Astrella: I hope it's temporary and will go away on its own very soon. Hang on. :smallfrown:

[Lix Lorn]

Just remember, Lixie, that some of usme have taken the Solar Bond background. :smallwink::smallamused:
Doesn't that allow ME to tell YOU what to do? :smalltongue:


Holy damn, I've been here for that long? Feels like it's only been a few months, and everyone's a veteran but I. D:
Yes
this

[Eldest]

http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2013/132/7/2/arcane_dragon_desk_of_hiding_by_keveak-d653k3n.png


http://oi43.tinypic.com/15f4xvr.jpg

Now I want to see how many people have Desks Of Hiding here.

[Lix Lorn]

I started it. This is MY thing. Like biting is Lea's.
My desk needs an art upgrade.

[Jormengand]

Now I want to see how many people have Desks Of Hiding here.

I have a Desk of Seeking instead. *Nods.*

[Eldest]

I started it. This is MY thing. Like biting is Lea's.
My desk needs an art upgrade.

I am aware. This should, however, be a point towards you knowing you're looked up to. Mimicry, admiration, etc. :smalltongue:

[Astrella]

Talking about thread regulars; has anyone seen KenderWizard around recently?


Holy damn, I've been here for that long? Feels like it's only been a few months, and everyone's a veteran but I. D:


@Astrella: I hope it's temporary and will go away on its own very soon. Hang on. :smallfrown:

Yeah, I can't believe that I've been posting in the thread for over two years now. >.>

And thank you, I hope so too.


Anyway, ACT went pretty well. Still not really cheery at this point. Hope I get better soon. Probably not going to happen. If it does, it'll be right before Michael leaves, and then I'll be back in square one once more.

How do you mean back to square one? :c

[Heliomance]

I started it. This is MY thing. Like biting is Lea's.
My desk needs an art upgrade.

Ahem. (http://keychain.patternspider.net/archive/koc0001.html)

[Lix Lorn]

Ahem. (http://keychain.patternspider.net/archive/koc0001.html)
The solar desk is a reference to that. The HIDING under it is my thing. xD

[The Rose Dragon]

The solar desk is a reference to that. The HIDING under it is my thing. xD

How can you hide under something that obviates stealth attempts like an anima banner shining at the 8-10 mote level?

[Lix Lorn]

Pure irony, solidified and used as an artifact component.
Also it'll distract them from me!

[The Rose Dragon]

Pure irony, solidified and used as an artifact component.
Also it'll distract them from me!

I don't know, I expect it to go more like "look, there is a desk that brightly shines to draw our attention to itself, and there is clearly someone underneath it, which is brightly lit and not at all shadowed, because the desk radiates light in all directions from all surfaces, including its bottom!".

Also, Charms do not require exotic materials to use.

[Heliomance]

Pure irony, solidified and used as an artifact component.


That sounds more Sidereal than Solar.

[Lauren]

*leaves plate of cookies enticingly close to the Lixdesk*

*waits*

[Eldest]

Ahem. (http://keychain.patternspider.net/archive/koc0001.html)

Ok, that comic has convinced me I've got to play Exalted sometime. Be a Lunar, too.

[The Rose Dragon]

Ok, that comic has convinced me I've got to play Exalted sometime. Be a Lunar, too.

Lunars are... frustrating. Their mechanics in Second Edition channel the majority of characters towards one of two builds, which is still better than the (supposed) writer advice in First Edition that said "get different melee weapons to differentiate characters". And that is not even getting into their setting description.

On the other hand, they are one of two kinds of Exalt that can change their sex thoroughly and without too much trouble, so that's always a plus.

((Despite the popular joke, not everyone in Creation is bisexual, though it is more common and more accepted than Earth.))

[Akowrules]

Holy damn, I've been here for that long? Feels like it's only been a few months, and everyone's a veteran but I. D:


@Astrella: I hope it's temporary and will go away on its own very soon. Hang on. :smallfrown:

Hey now, I'm no veteran here. We can have non-veteran parties! :smallbiggrin:




How do you mean back to square one? :c

Well, I may finally calm myself down to the point where I can convince myself that it probably won't happen, the things I fear. But, once he leaves, which will probably be around the time I get over all that, I'll fall into the deep, dark, crushing depression I'm feeling currently.

[Lauren]

Akow, I truly hope you don't fall back into depression. It's horrible, to say the least. *hugs*

[Akowrules]

Akow, I truly hope you don't fall back into depression. It's horrible, to say the least. *hugs*

Too late for that. Because of my ACT today, I got to miss out on a fun day. Laser tag with friends, and whatever was in between that and the got tubbing they're doing now. Me? I got to hang with my sisters friends all day. By which I mean I came into the basement to be yelled at to go upstairs because I embarrass her. All I want to do is curl up somewhere and sleep. Sleep for a long time. Not in a bad way, but, sleep until all this drama, sadness, and heartbreak going on in me goes away.

[Eldest]

Too late for that. Because of my ACT today, I got to miss out on a fun day. Laser tag with friends, and whatever was in between that and the got tubbing they're doing now. Me? I got to hang with my sisters friends all day. By which I mean I came into the basement to be yelled at to go upstairs because I embarrass her. All I want to do is curl up somewhere and sleep. Sleep for a long time. Not in a bad way, but, sleep until all this drama, sadness, and heartbreak going on in me goes away.

Oi. If you have a Skype, do you want to chat? Wouldn't be voice/video unless you wanted to, but that's what I do when I've got that sort of "stay still and wait for it to pass" feeling.

[Akowrules]

Oi. If you have a Skype, do you want to chat? Wouldn't be voice/video unless you wanted to, but that's what I do when I've got that sort of "stay still and wait for it to pass" feeling.

I've a Skype. My username is akowrules. Anyone's free to use it, if they wish. Don't want to be a burden to anyone more than I already am.

[Astrella]

I've a Skype. My username is akowrules. Anyone's free to use it, if they wish. Don't want to be a burden to anyone more than I already am.

No no, I fall into that thought pattern way too often, you are not a burden. People want to help because they care about you, not because you are a block on their leg.

And remember, he's not your previous relationship, I mean, I don't want to dismiss your worries but he is another person and try to stay in contact as much as you can and the reunion after the summer will be the better.

[Lix Lorn]

(Masses of hugs for Akow) :smallfrown:


That sounds more Sidereal than Solar.
I was thinking raksha.


((Despite the popular joke, not everyone in Creation is bisexual, though it is more common and more accepted than Earth.))
True... there's one lovely couple where one is lesbian and the other gay. :P

[The Rose Dragon]

True... there's one lovely couple where one is lesbian and the other gay. :P

I think they even have biological children together.

Love conquers all, even incompatible sexual orientation?

[Hylleddin]

Rant [Transphobia]:

Thank you, Portland State Housing Department, for giving me a room with a bunch of transphobes. It's not like I explicitly told you I was transgender in the form or anything. Nor is it like you specifically ask everyone on the form how comfortable they are with gender variance. You couldn't find three people that don't hate people like me? Or even one person?

I have e-mailed them to ask if they have any way at all to get me into a more open group.

[noparlpf]

Holy damn, I've been here for that long? Feels like it's only been a few months, and everyone's a veteran but I. D:

I think you might have been in here already when I came in. You must be a few months "older". I spent a while in the D&D 3.X/d20/whatever forum before coming over to Friendly Banter.


Talking about thread regulars; has anyone seen KenderWizard around recently?

She's probably busy with life stuff or something.


Yeah, I can't believe that I've been posting in the thread for over two years now. >.>

Geez, it has been about that long.


Rant [Transphobia]:

Thank you, Portland State Housing Department, for giving me a room with a bunch of transphobes. It's not like I explicitly told you I was transgender in the form or anything. Nor is it like you specifically ask everyone on the form how comfortable they are with gender variance. You couldn't find three people that don't hate people like me? Or even one person?

I have e-mailed them to ask if they have any way at all to get me into a more open group.


Geez, that's terrible. Good luck getting it rearranged. *hugs*

[Lady Serpentine]

Rant [Transphobia]:

Thank you, Portland State Housing Department, for giving me a room with a bunch of transphobes. It's not like I explicitly told you I was transgender in the form or anything. Nor is it like you specifically ask everyone on the form how comfortable they are with gender variance. You couldn't find three people that don't hate people like me? Or even one person?

I have e-mailed them to ask if they have any way at all to get me into a more open group.


In fairness to the Housing Department, people do lie on those things. Not that it doesn't still suck, of course, and I hope you get moved, but there is at least the faint possibility that they were just misinformed as to how your roommates feel.

[Eirala]

Rant [Transphobia]:

Thank you, Portland State Housing Department, for giving me a room with a bunch of transphobes. It's not like I explicitly told you I was transgender in the form or anything. Nor is it like you specifically ask everyone on the form how comfortable they are with gender variance. You couldn't find three people that don't hate people like me? Or even one person?

I have e-mailed them to ask if they have any way at all to get me into a more open group.


That doesn't sound like someone don't caring anymore to me, that sounds like someone wanting you surrounded with transphobes ._.
Anyway, good luck in resolving that situation *hugs*

[mistformsquirrl]

Rant [Transphobia]:

Thank you, Portland State Housing Department, for giving me a room with a bunch of transphobes. It's not like I explicitly told you I was transgender in the form or anything. Nor is it like you specifically ask everyone on the form how comfortable they are with gender variance. You couldn't find three people that don't hate people like me? Or even one person?

I have e-mailed them to ask if they have any way at all to get me into a more open group.


<_ _> I hope you can get moved quickly, that's terrible.

[Lauren]

*hugs Hylleddin* Fingers crossed you can get relocated fast, that's a terrible situation to be in.

[SiuiS]

True... there's one lovely couple where one is lesbian and the other gay. :P

That's... How does that even...

Actually, I think I made that joke with Braz once o_O


Rant [Transphobia]:

Thank you, Portland State Housing Department, for giving me a room with a bunch of transphobes. It's not like I explicitly told you I was transgender in the form or anything. Nor is it like you specifically ask everyone on the form how comfortable they are with gender variance. You couldn't find three people that don't hate people like me? Or even one person?

I have e-mailed them to ask if they have any way at all to get me into a more open group.


Man, sucks. Sorry you have to be saddled with that...


I think you might have been in here already when I came in. You must be a few months "older". I spent a while in the D&D 3.X/d20/whatever forum before coming over to Friendly Banter.


You're breaking my mental capacity, luv.

You joined later than I did? I must have not gone anywhere else but the one forum section ever for the longest time. You were already entrenched here when I looked, before I ever posted.

[Kindablue]

You're breaking my mental capacity, luv.

You joined later than I did? I must have not gone anywhere else but the one forum section ever for the longest time. You were already entrenched here when I looked, before I ever posted.
I've been posting here on and off since I signed up for the forum. You definitely appeared after me, but I thought Nope had always been here. You can't not have Nope!

Rant [Transphobia]:

Thank you, Portland State Housing Department, for giving me a room with a bunch of transphobes. It's not like I explicitly told you I was transgender in the form or anything. Nor is it like you specifically ask everyone on the form how comfortable they are with gender variance. You couldn't find three people that don't hate people like me? Or even one person?

I have e-mailed them to ask if they have any way at all to get me into a more open group.

Jeez, that sounds awful. I'm sorry. :(

[Lentrax]

Rant [Transphobia]:

Thank you, Portland State Housing Department, for giving me a room with a bunch of transphobes. It's not like I explicitly told you I was transgender in the form or anything. Nor is it like you specifically ask everyone on the form how comfortable they are with gender variance. You couldn't find three people that don't hate people like me? Or even one person?

I have e-mailed them to ask if they have any way at all to get me into a more open group.


How, how did that happen? Yeah, people lie, but... Jeesh.

Hope this gets fixed soon.

[SiuiS]

I've been posting here on and off since I signed up for the forum. You definitely appeared after me, but I thought Nope had always been here. You can't not have Nope!

Jeez, that sounds awful. I'm sorry. :(

I think the first LGBTA thread I read was 13. Thread 18 was either where I showed up, where my friend came out, or both.

EDIT: yeah, I remember the whole Gay Iguana thing XD




So yeah... Gay parakeets. They keep making out while I'm in the room. I totally need to post some pictures at some point.

[Mono Vertigo]

Rant [Transphobia]:

Thank you, Portland State Housing Department, for giving me a room with a bunch of transphobes. It's not like I explicitly told you I was transgender in the form or anything. Nor is it like you specifically ask everyone on the form how comfortable they are with gender variance. You couldn't find three people that don't hate people like me? Or even one person?

I have e-mailed them to ask if they have any way at all to get me into a more open group.

Goddamn, you're doing well complaining. I think it must not have been done on purpose (people lying and all that), but they have to know it's happening. :smallannoyed:

[Mina Kobold]

I personally vote both Musashi and Akowrules into the veteran club, everybody deserves to be a veteran! ^w^


Talking about thread regulars; has anyone seen KenderWizard around recently?

Sadly, no. I hope it is just busyness and not being ill or something worse. ._.

Not that people have to post every day or keep posting for me to not panic on their behalf, I am just being a worryguts. ^_^'


The solar desk is a reference to that. The HIDING under it is my thing. xD

Thus why I hide under a dragon desk! ^_^

The picture was actually a tribute I made to your Solar Desk. You deserved a tribute, and I got the idea of making a Kobold-themed version of the desk. :smallsmile:


I've a Skype. My username is akowrules. Anyone's free to use it, if they wish. Don't want to be a burden to anyone more than I already am.

You are not a burden, quite the contrary. We want to help you feel better as much as we can, and it would be far more a burden if we couldn't do so. :smallsmile:

*Offers many, many Kobold hugs, Kobold friendliness and/or bat-cookies*


Rant [Transphobia]:

Thank you, Portland State Housing Department, for giving me a room with a bunch of transphobes. It's not like I explicitly told you I was transgender in the form or anything. Nor is it like you specifically ask everyone on the form how comfortable they are with gender variance. You couldn't find three people that don't hate people like me? Or even one person?

I have e-mailed them to ask if they have any way at all to get me into a more open group.


;_; That sounds horrible. I really hope your mail gets responded to and you get a new room with awesome people in it sooner than possible. ;_;

[Halae]

Rant [Transphobia]:

Thank you, Portland State Housing Department, for giving me a room with a bunch of transphobes. It's not like I explicitly told you I was transgender in the form or anything. Nor is it like you specifically ask everyone on the form how comfortable they are with gender variance. You couldn't find three people that don't hate people like me? Or even one person?

I have e-mailed them to ask if they have any way at all to get me into a more open group.

Oh geeze. I'm relatively lucky that all my roommates are fine with me being trans. This just sucks.

[Astrella]

Rant [Transphobia]:

Thank you, Portland State Housing Department, for giving me a room with a bunch of transphobes. It's not like I explicitly told you I was transgender in the form or anything. Nor is it like you specifically ask everyone on the form how comfortable they are with gender variance. You couldn't find three people that don't hate people like me? Or even one person?

I have e-mailed them to ask if they have any way at all to get me into a more open group.


Ugh, that's dreadful, Hylleddin. I really hope you can get a swap. :c

[Jormengand]

Rant [Transphobia]:

Thank you, Portland State Housing Department, for giving me a room with a bunch of transphobes. It's not like I explicitly told you I was transgender in the form or anything. Nor is it like you specifically ask everyone on the form how comfortable they are with gender variance. You couldn't find three people that don't hate people like me? Or even one person?

I have e-mailed them to ask if they have any way at all to get me into a more open group.


Wow... that's just ridiculous. Just... wow.

[MuffinPuffin]

Rant [Transphobia]:

Thank you, Portland State Housing Department, for giving me a room with a bunch of transphobes. It's not like I explicitly told you I was transgender in the form or anything. Nor is it like you specifically ask everyone on the form how comfortable they are with gender variance. You couldn't find three people that don't hate people like me? Or even one person?

I have e-mailed them to ask if they have any way at all to get me into a more open group.

Wow, that is terrible, GG PSHD. Although I still can't fathom people actually being uncomfortable with things like that. I still have a childish belief that homophobia is something you only see in fictional media as a cause for strife.
Hopefully you can be placed somewhere else soon. My condolences.

In other news, I'm back! long day yesterday, and don't have time to read the 7 or so pages I missed. Anyone want to bring me up to speed?

[Lentrax]

Talking about thread regulars; has anyone seen KenderWizard around recently?

She may have gotten involved in some kind of incident involving knitting needles, but someone would have heard of that by now.

[Mono Vertigo]

She may have gotten involved in some kind of incident involving knitting needles, but someone would have heard of that by now.
That'd be me.
(News in the spoiler - no, that's not because I've stabbed anyone yet)
Or rather, it's only a matter of time before I decide to buy knitting needles with the express purpose of causing an incident.
I'd finally started enjoying the lack of homophobic protesters in the news, thinking somewhat optimistically they might have started getting over the horror of giving equal rights to people they claim they don't dislike, but then actually turns out that no, they haven't (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22833798).
(Don't ask me what this tennis tournament has to do with homosexuality. I haven't got the slightest idea. I suppose the guy just wanted a live camera available.)
The sheer repetitiveness of that bad running gag aggravates me with every occurrence :smallfurious:

[Philemonite]

That'd be me.
(News in the spoiler - no, that's not because I've stabbed anyone yet)
Or rather, it's only a matter of time before I decide to buy knitting needles with the express purpose of causing an incident.
I'd finally started enjoying the lack of homophobic protesters in the news, thinking somewhat optimistically they might have started getting over the horror of giving equal rights to people they claim they don't dislike, but then actually turns out that no, they haven't (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22833798).
(Don't ask me what this tennis tournament has to do with homosexuality. I haven't got the slightest idea. I suppose the guy just wanted a live camera available.)
The sheer repetitiveness of that bad running gag aggravates me with every occurrence :smallfurious:

I always thought there was something gay about tennis.:smalltongue:

Things like that don't deserve a comment, since that's just what they want, publicity. One thing that makes me smile is knowing that it will pass, and same sex marriage will become "normal" thing. Every social change brings people like that to the surface, but they are quickly swallowed by larger part of the society that has evolved, and they are forgotten after enough time.
If that wasn't uplifting enough I should add that this is coming from a guy who lives in a country where same sex marriage will not be legalized for years (decades). Just bare through the storm, and the sun will shine again, tomorrow.

[noparlpf]

That'd be me.
(News in the spoiler - no, that's not because I've stabbed anyone yet)
Or rather, it's only a matter of time before I decide to buy knitting needles with the express purpose of causing an incident.
I'd finally started enjoying the lack of homophobic protesters in the news, thinking somewhat optimistically they might have started getting over the horror of giving equal rights to people they claim they don't dislike, but then actually turns out that no, they haven't (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22833798).
(Don't ask me what this tennis tournament has to do with homosexuality. I haven't got the slightest idea. I suppose the guy just wanted a live camera available.)
The sheer repetitiveness of that bad running gag aggravates me with every occurrence :smallfurious:

That dude is right, this is pathetic.

[Jormengand]

That dude is right, this is pathetic.

Indeed it is.

[mistformsquirrl]

Trigger warning for suicidal depression:

Last night I hit a major low point and was || close to taking a bottle of benadryl and just being done with this planet. It was nasty. The big things bothering me being the counseling issue I'd mentioned before, and also my inability to talk to my family about transgender issues, but also just how cruel and nasty some people can be. I kept fixating on all the horrible things people have done to other people or animals and couldn't get myself beyond it.

And as for my family... heck, it'd be tough enough to just tell them that I'm bisexual; but the "Oh and I might be a girl" part... yeah that wouldn't fly. Well, my brother might be OK with it; he's pretty open minded; but the rest... yeaaaaaaaaaaaaah. I'd be lucky to still have a home if I brought that up.

That said... I had three things that helped pull me back:

1) My best friend - She'd be horribly upset if I were gone, even if sometimes I feel like I'm just a burden on her. She's too awesome to upset. (Her husband, also a very cool guy, would also be less-than-happy)

2) My mom - I still don't have the courage to talk to her about transgender issues yet; but she was immensely understanding when I explained just how horrible I felt last night. She did confiscate all the pills in the house, but I feel like that's a fairly reasonable thing given the situation. I think she's so understanding in part because she tried to kill herself when I was young and we've both had nasty depression for years, so she was quite sympathetic.

3) And the good folks here on this forum, especially in this thread. Some part of me needed an anchor to latch on to, and just knowing that my dropping off the face of the earth might upset someone even a little... it was enough.

So I'm still alive, and feeling alright today; which is a lot better than where I was yesterday. < . .> Just trying to keep thinking about positive stuff and work on RPG characters to take my mind off last night.

Anyway, just wanted to thank everyone - even if you didn't know it, even if you didn't intend it, you helped me last night just by existing. Thank you <. .>b Much <3

[Philemonite]

Trigger warning for suicidal depression:

Last night I hit a major low point and was || close to taking a bottle of benadryl and just being done with this planet. It was nasty. The big things bothering me being the counseling issue I'd mentioned before, and also my inability to talk to my family about transgender issues, but also just how cruel and nasty some people can be. I kept fixating on all the horrible things people have done to other people or animals and couldn't get myself beyond it.

And as for my family... heck, it'd be tough enough to just tell them that I'm bisexual; but the "Oh and I might be a girl" part... yeah that wouldn't fly. Well, my brother might be OK with it; he's pretty open minded; but the rest... yeaaaaaaaaaaaaah. I'd be lucky to still have a home if I brought that up.

That said... I had three things that helped pull me back:

1) My best friend - She'd be horribly upset if I were gone, even if sometimes I feel like I'm just a burden on her. She's too awesome to upset. (Her husband, also a very cool guy, would also be less-than-happy)

2) My mom - I still don't have the courage to talk to her about transgender issues yet; but she was immensely understanding when I explained just how horrible I felt last night. She did confiscate all the pills in the house, but I feel like that's a fairly reasonable thing given the situation. I think she's so understanding in part because she tried to kill herself when I was young and we've both had nasty depression for years, so she was quite sympathetic.

3) And the good folks here on this forum, especially in this thread. Some part of me needed an anchor to latch on to, and just knowing that my dropping off the face of the earth might upset someone even a little... it was enough.

So I'm still alive, and feeling alright today; which is a lot better than where I was yesterday. < . .> Just trying to keep thinking about positive stuff and work on RPG characters to take my mind off last night.

Anyway, just wanted to thank everyone - even if you didn't know it, even if you didn't intend it, you helped me last night just by existing. Thank you <. .>b Much <3

Mega hug.
You came to this thread just a little after me, so I consider you my little brother/sister(whatever you choose).:smallwink:

[Jormengand]

Trigger warning for suicidal depression:

Last night I hit a major low point and was || close to taking a bottle of benadryl and just being done with this planet. It was nasty. The big things bothering me being the counseling issue I'd mentioned before, and also my inability to talk to my family about transgender issues, but also just how cruel and nasty some people can be. I kept fixating on all the horrible things people have done to other people or animals and couldn't get myself beyond it.

And as for my family... heck, it'd be tough enough to just tell them that I'm bisexual; but the "Oh and I might be a girl" part... yeah that wouldn't fly. Well, my brother might be OK with it; he's pretty open minded; but the rest... yeaaaaaaaaaaaaah. I'd be lucky to still have a home if I brought that up.

That said... I had three things that helped pull me back:

1) My best friend - She'd be horribly upset if I were gone, even if sometimes I feel like I'm just a burden on her. She's too awesome to upset. (Her husband, also a very cool guy, would also be less-than-happy)

2) My mom - I still don't have the courage to talk to her about transgender issues yet; but she was immensely understanding when I explained just how horrible I felt last night. She did confiscate all the pills in the house, but I feel like that's a fairly reasonable thing given the situation. I think she's so understanding in part because she tried to kill herself when I was young and we've both had nasty depression for years, so she was quite sympathetic.

3) And the good folks here on this forum, especially in this thread. Some part of me needed an anchor to latch on to, and just knowing that my dropping off the face of the earth might upset someone even a little... it was enough.

So I'm still alive, and feeling alright today; which is a lot better than where I was yesterday. < . .> Just trying to keep thinking about positive stuff and work on RPG characters to take my mind off last night.

Anyway, just wanted to thank everyone - even if you didn't know it, even if you didn't intend it, you helped me last night just by existing. Thank you <. .>b Much <3

DON'T DIE MIST!

(Similar triggers)
Yeah, I've tried to kill myself, and by all rights should have succeeded every time. My CON score was having none of it though. The world just doesn't seem worth it sometimes. Even so, I'm still here. Three cheers for me, huh?

But really, hang in there. One day, we will be able to hold our heads up as anyone else can, and be who we are. And then, all shall fear us!

[Lentrax]

Trigger warning for suicidal depression:

Last night I hit a major low point and was || close to taking a bottle of benadryl and just being done with this planet. It was nasty. The big things bothering me being the counseling issue I'd mentioned before, and also my inability to talk to my family about transgender issues, but also just how cruel and nasty some people can be. I kept fixating on all the horrible things people have done to other people or animals and couldn't get myself beyond it.

And as for my family... heck, it'd be tough enough to just tell them that I'm bisexual; but the "Oh and I might be a girl" part... yeah that wouldn't fly. Well, my brother might be OK with it; he's pretty open minded; but the rest... yeaaaaaaaaaaaaah. I'd be lucky to still have a home if I brought that up.

That said... I had three things that helped pull me back:

1) My best friend - She'd be horribly upset if I were gone, even if sometimes I feel like I'm just a burden on her. She's too awesome to upset. (Her husband, also a very cool guy, would also be less-than-happy)

2) My mom - I still don't have the courage to talk to her about transgender issues yet; but she was immensely understanding when I explained just how horrible I felt last night. She did confiscate all the pills in the house, but I feel like that's a fairly reasonable thing given the situation. I think she's so understanding in part because she tried to kill herself when I was young and we've both had nasty depression for years, so she was quite sympathetic.

3) And the good folks here on this forum, especially in this thread. Some part of me needed an anchor to latch on to, and just knowing that my dropping off the face of the earth might upset someone even a little... it was enough.

So I'm still alive, and feeling alright today; which is a lot better than where I was yesterday. < . .> Just trying to keep thinking about positive stuff and work on RPG characters to take my mind off last night.

Anyway, just wanted to thank everyone - even if you didn't know it, even if you didn't intend it, you helped me last night just by existing. Thank you <. .>b Much <3

You may have things keeping you from going through with it, but this is still a serious problem.

We would really really miss you if you left us.

I suggest you start talking with a professional right now. Believe me, depression like this wont go away without help of some kind.

That being said, I have an open PM box if you need to talk, or if you want something even more private I can send you my email.

I'm here if you need me.

That goes for everyone. I want to help. Even if its just to listen.

Lentrax

[mistformsquirrl]

Yeah, I'm going to be calling my psychiatrist tomorrow <x.x> see what he thinks I should do about it. Hopefully he'll have good suggestions.

[Mina Kobold]

Trigger warning for suicidal depression:

Last night I hit a major low point and was || close to taking a bottle of benadryl and just being done with this planet. It was nasty. The big things bothering me being the counseling issue I'd mentioned before, and also my inability to talk to my family about transgender issues, but also just how cruel and nasty some people can be. I kept fixating on all the horrible things people have done to other people or animals and couldn't get myself beyond it.

And as for my family... heck, it'd be tough enough to just tell them that I'm bisexual; but the "Oh and I might be a girl" part... yeah that wouldn't fly. Well, my brother might be OK with it; he's pretty open minded; but the rest... yeaaaaaaaaaaaaah. I'd be lucky to still have a home if I brought that up.

That said... I had three things that helped pull me back:

1) My best friend - She'd be horribly upset if I were gone, even if sometimes I feel like I'm just a burden on her. She's too awesome to upset. (Her husband, also a very cool guy, would also be less-than-happy)

2) My mom - I still don't have the courage to talk to her about transgender issues yet; but she was immensely understanding when I explained just how horrible I felt last night. She did confiscate all the pills in the house, but I feel like that's a fairly reasonable thing given the situation. I think she's so understanding in part because she tried to kill herself when I was young and we've both had nasty depression for years, so she was quite sympathetic.

3) And the good folks here on this forum, especially in this thread. Some part of me needed an anchor to latch on to, and just knowing that my dropping off the face of the earth might upset someone even a little... it was enough.

So I'm still alive, and feeling alright today; which is a lot better than where I was yesterday. < . .> Just trying to keep thinking about positive stuff and work on RPG characters to take my mind off last night.

Anyway, just wanted to thank everyone - even if you didn't know it, even if you didn't intend it, you helped me last night just by existing. Thank you <. .>b Much <3

._.

P-please don't try to commit suicide. I know it is a terrible feeling and that I can't hope to fully understand how it feels to be in such a low mood that death feels a better answer, but I really am glad that we were enough of a bright point to help keeping you alive. Your family situation sounds terrible and the counselling situation is not ideal in the least, but things may change and even the most rusted doors can open a bit in time. It is not as hopeless as it seems. ;_;

*Offers all hugs, flowers and support possible*

Working on RPG characters sounds like a pretty good plan. Are they for upcoming games or are you preparing ideas and sheets for future games? :smallsmile:


DON'T DIE MIST!

(Similar triggers)
Yeah, I've tried to kill myself, and by all rights should have succeeded every time. My CON score was having none of it though. The world just doesn't seem worth it sometimes. Even so, I'm still here. Three cheers for me, huh?

But really, hang in there. One day, we will be able to hold our heads up as anyone else can, and be who we are. And then, all shall fear us!

._.

I really hope it never gets that low for you again either. I am very very glad that you are still alive and can share your thoughts and words with us.

I quite agree on your words of wisdom. It may look bleak now, but it will change and it can be changed for the better. Thank you. ^_^

[TheCountAlucard]

Wow, yeah, mistformsquirrl, really hoping the best for you. Hope your psychiatrist can help! And my PM box is always open.

[Philemonite]

So, I'm thinking of DMing a game for the threaders who are interested. In spite of lack of experience with it, I was thinking 4e. If you are interested just yell.:smallbiggrin:
It's first come-first serve.
Misty, first spot is reserved for you, if you want to play.

[Eldest]

Trigger warning for suicidal depression:

Last night I hit a major low point and was || close to taking a bottle of benadryl and just being done with this planet. It was nasty. The big things bothering me being the counseling issue I'd mentioned before, and also my inability to talk to my family about transgender issues, but also just how cruel and nasty some people can be. I kept fixating on all the horrible things people have done to other people or animals and couldn't get myself beyond it.

And as for my family... heck, it'd be tough enough to just tell them that I'm bisexual; but the "Oh and I might be a girl" part... yeah that wouldn't fly. Well, my brother might be OK with it; he's pretty open minded; but the rest... yeaaaaaaaaaaaaah. I'd be lucky to still have a home if I brought that up.

That said... I had three things that helped pull me back:

1) My best friend - She'd be horribly upset if I were gone, even if sometimes I feel like I'm just a burden on her. She's too awesome to upset. (Her husband, also a very cool guy, would also be less-than-happy)

2) My mom - I still don't have the courage to talk to her about transgender issues yet; but she was immensely understanding when I explained just how horrible I felt last night. She did confiscate all the pills in the house, but I feel like that's a fairly reasonable thing given the situation. I think she's so understanding in part because she tried to kill herself when I was young and we've both had nasty depression for years, so she was quite sympathetic.

3) And the good folks here on this forum, especially in this thread. Some part of me needed an anchor to latch on to, and just knowing that my dropping off the face of the earth might upset someone even a little... it was enough.

So I'm still alive, and feeling alright today; which is a lot better than where I was yesterday. < . .> Just trying to keep thinking about positive stuff and work on RPG characters to take my mind off last night.

Anyway, just wanted to thank everyone - even if you didn't know it, even if you didn't intend it, you helped me last night just by existing. Thank you <. .>b Much <3

:smalleek:
*hugs, lots of hugs*
I would be very, very upset if anybody from the thread died. My PM box is open, I can chat on skype, email, whatever. Just do talk to a shrink about this stuff. And do talk with people, lots of people. People do bad ****, but they also do good stuff. I'd offer you a home if I could, if you get kicked out. (Not possible yet, give it a few years.)

And this is an open offer to everyone: I'm online a lot, if you need to talk to somebody, I'm happy to talk to you. My skype is ben.haugh if you want to use that, or PMs work.

[Jormengand]

So, I'm thinking of DMing a game for the threaders who are interested. In spite of lack of experience with it, I was thinking 4e. If you are interested just yell.:smallbiggrin:
It's first come-first serve.
Misty, first spot is reserved for you, if you want to play.

I have never played 4e, and almost everyone I trust tells me that it's terrible. However, I guess that I require a close encounter of the first kind to verify this...

[mistformsquirrl]

Thanks all <~_~>; I hope that wasn't too much of a downer. I'm really feeling quite a bit better today hehe <^-^> But yesterday was quite... bleh.

I'll make it though < . .> My psychiatrist is pretty on the ball, so when I tell him what happened I think he'll have some good ideas.

@Keveak - Currently I'm applying for several games < ._.> including a Wild West themed Pathfinder game, 2 different Kingmaker adventure paths, and a Mutants and Masterminds 3e game. (I have so many games going right now... but I have a lot of time on my hands and roleplaying helps a LOT with stress for me <x,x>

I also suspect I won't get into ALL those games lol; and sadly it's been my experience that a lot of games kinda fall apart after a short while. (Trying to make sure the ones I'm DMing don't ><)

Sorry if I'm rambling ><;

@Alucard - Thanks a lot <~_~> You're a good guy.

@Asteron - I've not done much with 4e tbh <o.o> May be worth giving it another shot though if you're feeling like it. That said no need to hold a slot on my account, I'm in or applying for a positively enormous number of games hehe <~_~>/ (Not that one more would hurt!)

<~,~> anyway, everything will be OK. I've been down before; I think this has just lead me to taking it more seriously than I was.

----

In positive news: I've made up my mind that I'm definitely going to try to take an art class at the community college this fall. I think that'll be good for me. < . .>

[Philemonite]

I have never played 4e, and almost everyone I trust tells me that it's terrible. However, I guess that I require a close encounter of the first kind to verify this...

It's combat heavy, and people don't like it. I like it a lot. I like how the skills work, the four combat roles, the way that casters and warriors use same mechanics... I like it all.


@Asteron - I've not done much with 4e tbh <o.o> May be worth giving it another shot though if you're feeling like it. That said no need to hold a slot on my account, I'm in or applying for a positively enormous number of games hehe <~_~>/ (Not that one more would hurt!)

In positive news: I've made up my mind that I'm definitely going to try to take an art class at the community college this fall. I think that'll be good for me. < . .>

Like I said, it's first come-first serve, so all you have to do is say yes.:smallbiggrin:
Art is a great creative outlet and a way to channel anger/sadness/whatever, so good luck with that.

[Lix Lorn]

(Mass hugs for Hylleddin and squirrel) :(


That's... How does that even...

Actually, I think I made that joke with Braz once o_O
IN exalted, homosexuality is entirely accepted and even normal - and in some cases, expected and supported.
However, all dragonblooded are expected to get married and continue their line.

In the case of that particular couple, they are the most adorable couple ever. The man wagers his soul to a chess-playing demon to return her to life.

[TaiLiu]

Too late for that. Because of my ACT today, I got to miss out on a fun day. Laser tag with friends, and whatever was in between that and the got tubbing they're doing now. Me? I got to hang with my sisters friends all day. By which I mean I came into the basement to be yelled at to go upstairs because I embarrass her. All I want to do is curl up somewhere and sleep. Sleep for a long time. Not in a bad way, but, sleep until all this drama, sadness, and heartbreak going on in me goes away.
Well, on the bright side, you did take the ACT! That'll help when college rolls around!

Rant [Transphobia]:

Thank you, Portland State Housing Department, for giving me a room with a bunch of transphobes. It's not like I explicitly told you I was transgender in the form or anything. Nor is it like you specifically ask everyone on the form how comfortable they are with gender variance. You couldn't find three people that don't hate people like me? Or even one person?

I have e-mailed them to ask if they have any way at all to get me into a more open group.

Oh, dear. Good luck with this situation!

Trigger warning for suicidal depression:

Last night I hit a major low point and was || close to taking a bottle of benadryl and just being done with this planet. It was nasty. The big things bothering me being the counseling issue I'd mentioned before, and also my inability to talk to my family about transgender issues, but also just how cruel and nasty some people can be. I kept fixating on all the horrible things people have done to other people or animals and couldn't get myself beyond it.

And as for my family... heck, it'd be tough enough to just tell them that I'm bisexual; but the "Oh and I might be a girl" part... yeah that wouldn't fly. Well, my brother might be OK with it; he's pretty open minded; but the rest... yeaaaaaaaaaaaaah. I'd be lucky to still have a home if I brought that up.

That said... I had three things that helped pull me back:

1) My best friend - She'd be horribly upset if I were gone, even if sometimes I feel like I'm just a burden on her. She's too awesome to upset. (Her husband, also a very cool guy, would also be less-than-happy)

2) My mom - I still don't have the courage to talk to her about transgender issues yet; but she was immensely understanding when I explained just how horrible I felt last night. She did confiscate all the pills in the house, but I feel like that's a fairly reasonable thing given the situation. I think she's so understanding in part because she tried to kill herself when I was young and we've both had nasty depression for years, so she was quite sympathetic.

3) And the good folks here on this forum, especially in this thread. Some part of me needed an anchor to latch on to, and just knowing that my dropping off the face of the earth might upset someone even a little... it was enough.

So I'm still alive, and feeling alright today; which is a lot better than where I was yesterday. < . .> Just trying to keep thinking about positive stuff and work on RPG characters to take my mind off last night.

Anyway, just wanted to thank everyone - even if you didn't know it, even if you didn't intend it, you helped me last night just by existing. Thank you <. .>b Much <3
:smallfrown: Oh, dear. I would say something wise and inspirational, but the others beat me to it, so I'll just hope your situation gets better. Stay alive!

[Akowrules]

Trigger warning for suicidal depression:

Last night I hit a major low point and was || close to taking a bottle of benadryl and just being done with this planet. It was nasty. The big things bothering me being the counseling issue I'd mentioned before, and also my inability to talk to my family about transgender issues, but also just how cruel and nasty some people can be. I kept fixating on all the horrible things people have done to other people or animals and couldn't get myself beyond it.

And as for my family... heck, it'd be tough enough to just tell them that I'm bisexual; but the "Oh and I might be a girl" part... yeah that wouldn't fly. Well, my brother might be OK with it; he's pretty open minded; but the rest... yeaaaaaaaaaaaaah. I'd be lucky to still have a home if I brought that up.

That said... I had three things that helped pull me back:

1) My best friend - She'd be horribly upset if I were gone, even if sometimes I feel like I'm just a burden on her. She's too awesome to upset. (Her husband, also a very cool guy, would also be less-than-happy)

2) My mom - I still don't have the courage to talk to her about transgender issues yet; but she was immensely understanding when I explained just how horrible I felt last night. She did confiscate all the pills in the house, but I feel like that's a fairly reasonable thing given the situation. I think she's so understanding in part because she tried to kill herself when I was young and we've both had nasty depression for years, so she was quite sympathetic.

3) And the good folks here on this forum, especially in this thread. Some part of me needed an anchor to latch on to, and just knowing that my dropping off the face of the earth might upset someone even a little... it was enough.

So I'm still alive, and feeling alright today; which is a lot better than where I was yesterday. < . .> Just trying to keep thinking about positive stuff and work on RPG characters to take my mind off last night.

Anyway, just wanted to thank everyone - even if you didn't know it, even if you didn't intend it, you helped me last night just by existing. Thank you <. .>b Much <3

Oh sweetie, don't do that! A long term solution to a short term problem is never the answer. :smalleek: We, along with plenty of other people, would miss you terribly, and feel bad that we couldn't help you.

[Mono Vertigo]

@Asteron: you're right on both accounts :smallbiggrin: I know I should stop paying too much attention to it, especially when there are much worse things going on all around the world, but bigots pretending they're the oppressed ones is a big berserk button of mine.
@Mist: :smalleek:
Okay, several points.

I respect your (hopefully short-lived) feeling of despair, but am nonetheless terribly glad and grateful you consider us as an incentive to keep living. I'm terribly sorry you went through that. Depression is an evil, evil thing.

Try to focus on the good things. Your mother is supportive, and wants you to live and be happy. She has an idea of what you're going through. She's here to back you up. I think she's likely to keep supporting you after you tell her.
Your best friend, too.
You have RL people who can lend a shoulder upon which you can cry and not fear judgment. Don't be ashamed of doing that. There's a point where trying to keep your face will hinder your recovery. It's okay to show you're hurt, because guess what, your feelings matter more than an appearance of "normal" and cold perfection. Our culture's kinda awkward at managing that facet of life. Don't worry about pretending you're 100% okay, that doesn't work.

Seconding the advice of everyone who suggests you do that RPG stuff that you like. Depression is terrible in that it doesn't allow you to snap out of it, but you still have the strength to occupy yourself with something that part of you still finds fun.

Hugs? Hugs.
*hugs!*
If there's anything else, don't hesitate to post again or PM us or something. We might not be able to lend you a physical shoulder to cry on, but we'll still be there for you.

[Lentrax]

Goof night all. I love you. PM me if you need anything.

I promise I will answer it as spoon as I get up.

Now to bed. Spoon!!! (http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=Ewk9UVqfbxY&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DEwk9UVqfbxY)

[Lady Serpentine]

*Hugs Misty* Like TaiLiu said, everyone beat me to saying things... I'm glad you're feeling better now, though. Hopefully it'll last? :smallsmile:


So, I'm thinking of DMing a game for the threaders who are interested. In spite of lack of experience with it, I was thinking 4e. If you are interested just yell.:smallbiggrin:
It's first come-first serve.
Misty, first spot is reserved for you, if you want to play.

I'd love to join, since, while it was different, I did enjoy the first game I played in it. Sadly, however, according to the person running the last game I was in, they released a ton of fixes for stuff in the PHB, and I have none of them, so... Yeah. :smallfrown:

[Mina Kobold]

@Keveak - Currently I'm applying for several games < ._.> including a Wild West themed Pathfinder game, 2 different Kingmaker adventure paths, and a Mutants and Masterminds 3e game. (I have so many games going right now... but I have a lot of time on my hands and roleplaying helps a LOT with stress for me <x,x>

I also suspect I won't get into ALL those games lol; and sadly it's been my experience that a lot of games kinda fall apart after a short while. (Trying to make sure the ones I'm DMing don't ><)

Sorry if I'm rambling ><;

Ooh, that is a lot of very interesting games. Didn't ever consider making a Wild West themed Pathfinder game. ^_^

A lot of games do fall apart, but all the more incentive to put effort into making the time they last and the ones that don't fall apart all that much more memorable! :smallsmile:

You're not rambling at all, it is quite fun to hear you talk about things that you find fun. Fun for all! ^_^


In positive news: I've made up my mind that I'm definitely going to try to take an art class at the community college this fall. I think that'll be good for me. < . .>

Good luck, it sounds pretty fun. :smallsmile:

[Philemonite]

*Hugs Misty* Like TaiLiu said, everyone beat me to saying things... I'm glad you're feeling better now, though. Hopefully it'll last? :smallsmile:



I'd love to join, since, while it was different, I did enjoy the first game I played in it. Sadly, however, according to the person running the last game I was in, they released a ton of fixes for stuff in the PHB, and I have none of them, so... Yeah. :smallfrown:

I have all the books (actually, my friend does), so I can help you with anything you might need. It will probably be just PHBs(1,2,3) and power books(Divine, Martial, Arcane)

[Lady Serpentine]

I have all the books (actually, my friend does), so I can help you with anything you might need. It will probably be just PHBs(1,2,3) and power books(Divine, Martial, Arcane)

Hm. I'll go clear out my PM box so we can talk, then...

[Astrella]

Trigger warning for suicidal depression:

Last night I hit a major low point and was || close to taking a bottle of benadryl and just being done with this planet. It was nasty. The big things bothering me being the counseling issue I'd mentioned before, and also my inability to talk to my family about transgender issues, but also just how cruel and nasty some people can be. I kept fixating on all the horrible things people have done to other people or animals and couldn't get myself beyond it.

And as for my family... heck, it'd be tough enough to just tell them that I'm bisexual; but the "Oh and I might be a girl" part... yeah that wouldn't fly. Well, my brother might be OK with it; he's pretty open minded; but the rest... yeaaaaaaaaaaaaah. I'd be lucky to still have a home if I brought that up.

That said... I had three things that helped pull me back:

1) My best friend - She'd be horribly upset if I were gone, even if sometimes I feel like I'm just a burden on her. She's too awesome to upset. (Her husband, also a very cool guy, would also be less-than-happy)

2) My mom - I still don't have the courage to talk to her about transgender issues yet; but she was immensely understanding when I explained just how horrible I felt last night. She did confiscate all the pills in the house, but I feel like that's a fairly reasonable thing given the situation. I think she's so understanding in part because she tried to kill herself when I was young and we've both had nasty depression for years, so she was quite sympathetic.

3) And the good folks here on this forum, especially in this thread. Some part of me needed an anchor to latch on to, and just knowing that my dropping off the face of the earth might upset someone even a little... it was enough.

So I'm still alive, and feeling alright today; which is a lot better than where I was yesterday. < . .> Just trying to keep thinking about positive stuff and work on RPG characters to take my mind off last night.

Anyway, just wanted to thank everyone - even if you didn't know it, even if you didn't intend it, you helped me last night just by existing. Thank you <. .>b Much <3

*offers a pile of hugs*

I'm glad you managed to pull yourself back, and it's good that you are seeing your psychiatrist as well. Negative spirals are really scary, but it's really important to talk about stuff with people and don't be afraid to ask for help, we're all here for you and care a ton about you. :smallsmile:

(On that note, I'm pretty much always up for talking (about whatever) so feel free to PM / skype whatever me.)

Good to hear that you have roleplaying and that art class later this year to focus on a bit as well. :smallsmile:

*hugs tight*

[da prophet]

Hello, there, i just stumbled across this thread, and i need a favor: I want to help people, so could i be put up as people to skype/ whatever you use if you feel down? i would just like to help People:smallbiggrin:

[SiuiS]

Mistform: hey, friend. Sorry you're having such a slog of it... I'm glad you pulled out though. I support Lentrax. Find someone who can and will give you te personal time and help you need.


So, I'm thinking of DMing a game for the threaders who are interested. In spite of lack of experience with it, I was thinking 4e. If you are interested just yell.:smallbiggrin:
It's first come-first serve.
Misty, first spot is reserved for you, if you want to play.

Mmm. Tempting... What would be the time requirements? I could commit to a game but I couldn't give it full on, write-a-novel RP right now.


I have never played 4e, and almost everyone I trust tells me that it's terrible. However, I guess that I require a close encounter of the first kind to verify this...

It is different, and for the first six months it was much worse due to bugs and misconceptions. If you try it with an open mind though, it's a solid and fun system.



IN exalted, homosexuality is entirely accepted and even normal - and in some cases, expected and supported.
However, all dragonblooded are expected to get married and continue their line.

In the case of that particular couple, they are the most adorable couple ever. The man wagers his soul to a chess-playing demon to return her to life.

I expected that the man, being a gay shapeshifter, liked having sex with men, and the woman, being a gay shapeshifter, liked having sex with women. So if they both meet up, and both change physical sex, they could have the gayest heterosexual relationship ever.



I'd love to join, since, while it was different, I did enjoy the first game I played in it. Sadly, however, according to the person running the last game I was in, they released a ton of fixes for stuff in the PHB, and I have none of them, so... Yeah. :smallfrown:

It is different, math wise, but you don't need to bother with all that. It is really as easy as concept > choose a path > tinker.


Hello, there, i just stumbled across this thread, and i need a favor: I want to help people, so could i be put up as people to skype/ whatever you use if you feel down? i would just like to help People:smallbiggrin:

Hi there! I hate to be That Unicorn, but I do have to ask, what would be your qualifications? We try to (in theory anyway!) match up the person with a topic they are familiar with. This being a specifically LGBTA+ thread, we have certain issues that make someone familiar with our problems easier to relate to, and all.

Then again, sometimes nothing is so wanted as a friendly face and a welcoming ear, so there is that. :smallsmile:

[Lady Serpentine]

It is different, math wise, but you don't need to bother with all that. It is really as easy as concept > choose a path > tinker.

Fair enough, then. I'll probably have one picked out by the time this becomes official, in that case...


Hi there! I hate to be That Unicorn, but I do have to ask, what would be your qualifications? We try to (in theory anyway!) match up the person with a topic they are familiar with. This being a specifically LGBTA+ thread, we have certain issues that make someone familiar with our problems easier to relate to, and all.

Then again, sometimes nothing is so wanted as a friendly face and a welcoming ear, so there is that. :smallsmile:


I'll also note that offering such help can, in my experience, be incredibly draining. I'm not saying that you shouldn't, of course, but you should be sure you're up to it before committing to anything.

[mistformsquirrl]

I expected that the man, being a gay shapeshifter, liked having sex with men, and the woman, being a gay shapeshifter, liked having sex with women. So if they both meet up, and both change physical sex, they could have the gayest heterosexual relationship ever.

... shapeshifting is the best power ever now. >_>/

[SiuiS]

... shapeshifting is the best power ever now. >_>/

I know, right?!

This would be the best fanfic. But sadly, it's gotta come after i write an intentionally trashy romance novella. Not sure if pony or mass effect for that one...

[noparlpf]

Trigger warning for suicidal depression:

Last night I hit a major low point and was || close to taking a bottle of benadryl and just being done with this planet. It was nasty. The big things bothering me being the counseling issue I'd mentioned before, and also my inability to talk to my family about transgender issues, but also just how cruel and nasty some people can be. I kept fixating on all the horrible things people have done to other people or animals and couldn't get myself beyond it.

And as for my family... heck, it'd be tough enough to just tell them that I'm bisexual; but the "Oh and I might be a girl" part... yeah that wouldn't fly. Well, my brother might be OK with it; he's pretty open minded; but the rest... yeaaaaaaaaaaaaah. I'd be lucky to still have a home if I brought that up.

That said... I had three things that helped pull me back:

1) My best friend - She'd be horribly upset if I were gone, even if sometimes I feel like I'm just a burden on her. She's too awesome to upset. (Her husband, also a very cool guy, would also be less-than-happy)

2) My mom - I still don't have the courage to talk to her about transgender issues yet; but she was immensely understanding when I explained just how horrible I felt last night. She did confiscate all the pills in the house, but I feel like that's a fairly reasonable thing given the situation. I think she's so understanding in part because she tried to kill herself when I was young and we've both had nasty depression for years, so she was quite sympathetic.

3) And the good folks here on this forum, especially in this thread. Some part of me needed an anchor to latch on to, and just knowing that my dropping off the face of the earth might upset someone even a little... it was enough.

So I'm still alive, and feeling alright today; which is a lot better than where I was yesterday. < . .> Just trying to keep thinking about positive stuff and work on RPG characters to take my mind off last night.

Anyway, just wanted to thank everyone - even if you didn't know it, even if you didn't intend it, you helped me last night just by existing. Thank you <. .>b Much <3

Well, I'm glad you didn't do it. The way I see it, as long as you're alive, you can still do something to change things, even if it's slow and painful to get there, but the alternative means nothing can ever change.


I expected that the man, being a gay shapeshifter, liked having sex with men, and the woman, being a gay shapeshifter, liked having sex with women. So if they both meet up, and both change physical sex, they could have the gayest heterosexual relationship ever.

...huh.

[mistformsquirrl]

I know, right?!

This would be the best fanfic. But sadly, it's gotta come after i write an intentionally trashy romance novella. Not sure if pony or mass effect for that one...

< ._.> The solution is simple - Combine them! The Pony-Effect!* There's no way that could possibly go wrong.

@noparlpf - That's actually long been one of my go to thoughts for getting through tough times heh; that and "This too shall pass." Last night was just unusually ugly <x,x> but it's over and now I feel ridiculous.



*Mass-Pony sounds like a small horse from Massachusetts <_< Or a VERY large horse in general. Or maybe a LOT of ponies.

... I'm overthinking this aren't I?

[Lix Lorn]

I expected that the man, being a gay shapeshifter, liked having sex with men, and the woman, being a gay shapeshifter, liked having sex with women. So if they both meet up, and both change physical sex, they could have the gayest heterosexual relationship ever.
It does say that they've made use of various kinds of magic for this kind of thing, but presumably, if they changed sex permanently, they'd have the same issues a transperson would.


... shapeshifting is the best power ever now. >_>/
There's a reason it's my avatar's thing. >>

[Lady Serpentine]

@noparlpf - That's actually long been one of my go to thoughts for getting through tough times heh; that and "This too shall pass." Last night was just unusually ugly <x,x> but it's over and now I feel ridiculous.


Don't. There's nothing ridiculous about it, even though, now that you're thinking straight, you don't feel the same way. *Hugs more*

[Karen Lynn]

Pennsylvania sucks. That is all.
--
Not really. Misty! *Eevee swarms* all the cuddles!

Other people! *hugs*

Got to see my father yesterday. He made no mention about my coming out. Kind of want to talk about it, but dunno what to say. Guess I'll just hold off until I start transition. He did not make mention of painted nails, however.

[TaiLiu]

Pennsylvania sucks. That is all.

Not really.
So, it didn't suck?

Got to see my father yesterday. He made no mention about my coming out. Kind of want to talk about it, but dunno what to say. Guess I'll just hold off until I start transition. He did not make mention of painted nails, however.
Usually, I see disinterest as parallel to acceptance. This is good! :smallsmile:

[noparlpf]

@noparlpf - That's actually long been one of my go to thoughts for getting through tough times heh; that and "This too shall pass." Last night was just unusually ugly <x,x> but it's over and now I feel ridiculous.

Don't feel ridiculous. It's a serious thing to deal with, so don't feel bad for it. Would you feel ridiculous if you had food poisoning and felt crappy? I like comparing mental issues to physical issues to point out how differently we treat them.


Pennsylvania sucks. That is all.

It was rather annoying that the NJ Turnpike is down to 35 mph in areas due to construction, but the area itself isn't too bad. And one of my best friends lives there, so obviously it can't be all bad.


Got to see my father yesterday. He made no mention about my coming out. Kind of want to talk about it, but dunno what to say. Guess I'll just hold off until I start transition. He did not make mention of painted nails, however.

Hmm. If you don't have anything specific to say, wait until something comes up? Like pronouns if that happens, or if he brings it up. Or wait for somebody to give you good advice. Dunno.

[Chess435]

Darn it, missed Karen again. :smallsigh:

*huggles everyone else in the meantime*

[Lady Serpentine]

Other people! *hugs*

*Hugs back, though is pretty sure they're meant for others* Hey~

Glad to hear it at least went not-badly?


Darn it, missed Karen again. :smallsigh:

*huggles everyone else in the meantime*

What do you mean? She's on, according to the little green light... *shrugs, and huggles anyway*

[Chess435]

What do you mean? She's on, according to the little green light... *shrugs, and huggles anyway*

Don't see her on Skype or Steam.

[TaiLiu]

Don't see her on Skype or Steam.
You can probably send her a Private Message; as C'nor said, she's online.

Not any more. Hm.

[Eldest]

Darn it, missed Karen again. :smallsigh:

*huggles everyone else in the meantime*

Yup, is a bit annoying. Looking forward to her day off. Of course, so is pretty much everyone else she's involved with. :smalltongue:

[Karen Lynn]

I'm on my phone. I can't find my inverter, so no lappy. No lappy=no steam and limited Skype.

[TaiLiu]

I'm on my phone. I can't find my inverter, so no lappy. No lappy=no steam and limited Skype.
Ah. Is it a foreign laptop, or...?

[Karen Lynn]

No, my DC to AC inverter.

[TaiLiu]

No, my DC to AC inverter.
Ah, I see. :mitd:

[Karen Lynn]

Yup. Without it, I have less than two hours on lappy, and have no way to charge it.

[TaiLiu]

Yup. Without it, I have less than two hours on lappy, and have no way to charge it.
Vexing. Well, I hope you find it soon!

[Eldest]

I'm on my phone. I can't find my inverter, so no lappy. No lappy=no steam and limited Skype.

Ah. Well that explains it, and it is annoying. Hope you find the inverter soon.

[Absol197]

I'm still here! I wish I had more time to post. I'm starting to feel like an outsider, and I can't reply to everything I want to (because it's already 10 pages back when I can finally make it here). Is sad...

So, specific things I wanted to address:

Mist - *HUGS!!* I've been there, relatively recently. That's a horrible place to be, and I'm so very glad you were able to pull out of it. Hang in there; as people have been saying, it does get better! Time has a way of opening up paths for you that you were not expecting...

...

I thought there were other things, but I can't remember them now. Oops! :smallredface: So I'll just say that I love you all, and I'll try to be a more active participant.


~Phoenix~

[TaiLiu]

I'm still here! I wish I had more time to post. I'm starting to feel like an outsider, and I can't reply to everything I want to (because it's already 10 pages back when I can finally make it here). Is sad...
Fret not! Your job and your martial arts take up a lot of your time, and it's understandable.

[Karen Lynn]

Phoenix is our resident martial artist super heroine. :3

Was it The Golden Phoenix?

[Hylleddin]

Trigger warning for suicidal depression:

Last night I hit a major low point and was || close to taking a bottle of benadryl and just being done with this planet. It was nasty. The big things bothering me being the counseling issue I'd mentioned before, and also my inability to talk to my family about transgender issues, but also just how cruel and nasty some people can be. I kept fixating on all the horrible things people have done to other people or animals and couldn't get myself beyond it.

And as for my family... heck, it'd be tough enough to just tell them that I'm bisexual; but the "Oh and I might be a girl" part... yeah that wouldn't fly. Well, my brother might be OK with it; he's pretty open minded; but the rest... yeaaaaaaaaaaaaah. I'd be lucky to still have a home if I brought that up.

That said... I had three things that helped pull me back:

1) My best friend - She'd be horribly upset if I were gone, even if sometimes I feel like I'm just a burden on her. She's too awesome to upset. (Her husband, also a very cool guy, would also be less-than-happy)

2) My mom - I still don't have the courage to talk to her about transgender issues yet; but she was immensely understanding when I explained just how horrible I felt last night. She did confiscate all the pills in the house, but I feel like that's a fairly reasonable thing given the situation. I think she's so understanding in part because she tried to kill herself when I was young and we've both had nasty depression for years, so she was quite sympathetic.

3) And the good folks here on this forum, especially in this thread. Some part of me needed an anchor to latch on to, and just knowing that my dropping off the face of the earth might upset someone even a little... it was enough.

So I'm still alive, and feeling alright today; which is a lot better than where I was yesterday. < . .> Just trying to keep thinking about positive stuff and work on RPG characters to take my mind off last night.

Anyway, just wanted to thank everyone - even if you didn't know it, even if you didn't intend it, you helped me last night just by existing. Thank you <. .>b Much <3

*Hugs*
I've been there, and it's a horrible place. Keeping your friends and family in mind is a good way to keep yourself from doing anything drastic when you're down there. I'm glad you made it back out.

Clarifications:
I'm not moving in until September, so I don't have to live with them yet. The form gave a compatibility questionnaire which included a question about comfort with gender variance and they gave us each of our roommates answers to the questionnaire, so that's how I know about the problem. I'm in a position that I can probably arrange seperate housing if this doesn't get fixed, but that's going to cost more than university housing.

Hopefully it's just an administrative error.

So, it's not the end of the world, it just pissed me off enough to need to rant.

Thanks for the support everyone. :)

[VeliciaL]

@mistformsquirrel:

If it makes you feel any better... I've been contemplating coming out to my family lately (as a trans-woman) and tonight I was feeling particularly overwhelmed. Reading your post... it gave me an odd sort of comfort, knowing there are other people out there dealing with similar issues. I know it's hard, but thanks for sharing. <3

@everyone else:

Hi all! :smallredface: Don't think I've poked my head into this thread yet. Feeling rather overwhelmed tonight, but thanks for being here. You all are awesome.

[Lentrax]

Heya, Phee! *glomps*

Missed you! Yeah a lot has happened, but well, that's just life.

...

I would totally learn the Golden Pheonix Style. :smallredface:

Hi Velicia!



Cake is over here, cookies hugs and a biting Lea are on the left. Lixie is under her solar desk over there, and don't be afraid. Leas the only one to bite.

Much.

[SiuiS]

< ._.> The solution is simple - Combine them! The Pony-Effect!* There's no way that could possibly go wrong.

@noparlpf - That's actually long been one of my go to thoughts for getting through tough times heh; that and "This too shall pass." Last night was just unusually ugly <x,x> but it's over and now I feel ridiculous.



*Mass-Pony sounds like a small horse from Massachusetts <_< Or a VERY large horse in general. Or maybe a LOT of ponies.

... I'm overthinking this aren't I?

Heh. That was the usual suggestion actually.
On the one hand, if I do a pony one I get a free cover drawn by DirtyTabs. On the other hoof, the mass effect one has the potential for hilarious squick and getting groans and eye rolls from the gaming thread.


It does say that they've made use of various kinds of magic for this kind of thing, but presumably, if they changed sex permanently, they'd have the same issues a transperson would.


I doubt shapeshifter a ever have that issue, actually. In the same way natural immortals lack the concepts of time and finality that make it so hard to cope for a mortal.

Also, you'd look silly if you wore your gimp hood to work, too, that's why you take it off when you're done!


No, my DC to AC inverter.

Inverter, not converter?


I'm still here! I wish I had more time to post. I'm starting to feel like an outsider, and I can't reply to everything I want to (because it's already 10 pages back when I can finally make it here). Is sad...

So, specific things I wanted to address:

Mist - *HUGS!!* I've been there, relatively recently. That's a horrible place to be, and I'm so very glad you were able to pull out of it. Hang in there; as people have been saying, it does get better! Time has a way of opening up paths for you that you were not expecting...

...

I thought there were other things, but I can't remember them now. Oops! :smallredface: So I'll just say that I love you all, and I'll try to be a more active participant.


Hi, Phee!


@mistformsquirrel:

If it makes you feel any better... I've been contemplating coming out to my family lately (as a trans-woman) and tonight I was feeling particularly overwhelmed. Reading your post... it gave me an odd sort of comfort, knowing there are other people out there dealing with similar issues. I know it's hard, but thanks for sharing. <3

@everyone else:

Hi all! :smallredface: Don't think I've poked my head into this thread yet. Feeling rather overwhelmed tonight, but thanks for being here. You all are awesome.

Hi Velicia!
Your name is hard to spell from memory x_x

[Eldest]

Heh. That was the usual suggestion actually.
On the one hand, if I do a pony one I get a free cover drawn by DirtyTabs. On the other hoof, the mass effect one has the potential for hilarious squick and getting groans and eye rolls from the gaming thread.

So you make both!


Also, you'd look silly if you wore your gimp hood to work, too, that's why you take it off when you're done!

I... wot.

[Philemonite]

Mmm. Tempting... What would be the time requirements? I could commit to a game but I couldn't give it full on, write-a-novel RP right now.

The point is to have fun, so I expect the OOC to be more active then IC.:smalltongue:
No need to write a novel as long as you are having fun.:smallbiggrin:


Hi all! :smallredface: Don't think I've poked my head into this thread yet. Feeling rather overwhelmed tonight, but thanks for being here. You all are awesome.

Welcome to the friendliest thread ever.:smallwink:

[Socratov]

Hey guys, popping in for a quick greet and hug before I go (relatively) off the net again to study for my last exam of this schoolyear (right now 1 down, 1 to go) :smallamused:

So, *hugs* for everyone and I will see you guys later this week :smallwink: (if you need hugs you can PM me, facebook me, mail me)

Ciao!

*slips out again*

[Mono Vertigo]

I expected that the man, being a gay shapeshifter, liked having sex with men, and the woman, being a gay shapeshifter, liked having sex with women. So if they both meet up, and both change physical sex, they could have the gayest heterosexual relationship ever.

Reminds me that BF likes to say we function more like a (stereotypical) gay couple, except for that part where it's more like a lesbian couple, and the "manly guy" has boobs (and also is a girl, but let's not allow silly details like facts get in the way of a joke). :smallbiggrin:
Normal's for chumps.

[SiuiS]

I... wot.

Rhetorical device, humor, or need an explanation?


Reminds me that BF likes to say we function more like a (stereotypical) gay couple, except for that part where it's more like a lesbian couple, and the "manly guy" has boobs (and also is a girl, but let's not allow silly details like facts get in the way of a joke). :smallbiggrin:
Normal's for chumps.

"Huh? What part does she mean?
... Or does she mean part? Hahaha, nevermind."

[Mono Vertigo]

"Huh? What part does she mean?
... Or does she mean part? Hahaha, nevermind."
*bah-dum-pshhhh*

Clarification time (because I know it's going to be necessary): we treat each other as equals, we never had real fights but we snark at each other constantly, we still spend most of our time as if we were "just" best friends, and there's the manly "guy" and the "feminine" guy.
I'm the former, whereas BF is the metrosexual one. I've got one bottle of shampoo, he's got a large assortment of hair product. And tons of classy clothes, and more stuff.
(Also it's a joke based on the stereotypical portrayals everyone knows, all gay couples don't work that way, many heterosexual couples do, masculine and feminine don't really mean anything, yadda yadda we're easily amused.)

[Kittenwolf]

I have now returned from four days at the Continuum convention, and the lady I'm commissioning a dress & corset from has just left after discussion & taking measurements.

What'd I miss? :D

[Philemonite]

I have now returned from four days at the Continuum convention, and the lady I'm commissioning a dress & corset from has just left after discussion & taking measurements.

What'd I miss? :D

Lea still bites, Irish is still straight, and Lix is still our most popular poster, so, not much.:smalltongue:

[Mono Vertigo]

[...], Irish is still straight

Clearly, we've been doing something wrong.

[The Succubus]

Also, you'd look silly if you wore your gimp hood to work, too, that's why you take it off when you're done!

And this is why I always get my fashion tips from Sius. :smallbiggrin:

[Lady Serpentine]

I'm still here! I wish I had more time to post. I'm starting to feel like an outsider, and I can't reply to everything I want to (because it's already 10 pages back when I can finally make it here). Is sad...
~Phoenix~

*Offers hugs*

For what it's worth, I certainly don't see you as an outsider, Nix. No reason someone can't be part of a community even if they're not very talkative, y'know?

(Oh, also, I'm using Nix as your nickname because Phee makes me think 'fee', and Nixies are awesome shapeshifter elves, but I can do something else if you like. :smallsmile:)



I doubt shapeshifter a ever have that issue, actually. In the same way natural immortals lack the concepts of time and finality that make it so hard to cope for a mortal.


Mm. Not sure I agree there. I'd think that over time a shapeshifter would eventually gain a gender, once they adopted an identity, even going on the assumption they didn't have one to start with.

Oh, also, on a totally random note:


I haven't engaged in rigorous testing of it or anything, but I'm pretty sure I'm bi. Not a major concern or anything, but it seemed like the sort of thing I ought to mention while I'm here.

(Well, not a major concern aside from coming out to people. Family should be fine, if it ever comes up, but I have no idea how to go about telling friends. Awkwardness, whee!)

[Karen Lynn]

TW transphobia, violence

http://www.fox11online.com/dpp/news/local/fox_cities/man-charged-with-attacking-transgender-person

Just a couple days ago, about twenty minutes north of me. Also, read the comments. Read them!


If you want to skip the story, go ahead, but click it and read the comments.

[Kittenwolf]

TW transphobia, violence

http://www.fox11online.com/dpp/news/local/fox_cities/man-charged-with-attacking-transgender-person

Just a couple days ago, about twenty minutes north of me. Also, read the comments. Read them!


If you want to skip the story, go ahead, but click it and read the comments.

:O
Oh wow. Not what I was expecting at all
<3 <3 <3

[Karen Lynn]

In know! There are bad comments, but they are few. Makes me feel a little safer in my area.

[The Succubus]

A news article....with positive comments at the end? :smalleek:

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[Lady Serpentine]

TW transphobia, violence

http://www.fox11online.com/dpp/news/local/fox_cities/man-charged-with-attacking-transgender-person

Just a couple days ago, about twenty minutes north of me. Also, read the comments. Read them!


If you want to skip the story, go ahead, but click it and read the comments.

Mm. It's good she has support, but there were a couple of things that were less than wonderful.

The person complaining about the use of 'alleged', for instance. Yes, it's Fox, they probably are trying to downplay it, but still. It is an alleged incident until the legal system deals with it. Not using 'alleged' could theoretically lead to them getting taken to court over it - for that matter, it could actually hurt her case if the guy's lawyer could make a good enough argument on that point.

The 'who cares if he learns anything' one was also kinda rankling. If nothing else, isn't that the best way to make sure he doesn't do it again even after he gets out? :smallsigh:

[Karen Lynn]

I know, I just finished reading all of them. Some people(mostly high schoolers, it seems), are really harshly bigoted. But seeing the positive comments, especially on Fox, is giving me so many good feels.

Edit: as for the semantics on alleged: as blunt and obvious as it is, the american court systems still rule innocent until found guilty, so until then, it is still an alleged crime. I have to support the use of alleged in this case. He hasn't been convicted yet.