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Trixie

2013-07-12, 04:21 PM

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Trixie's Great and Powerful Guide v1.9966
Drugs Edition

Brief Introduction

My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic is a reboot of the MLP franchise by Powerpuff Girls artist Lauren Faust, currently viewed by (almost) the entire Internet, not only the intended audience. Here is a place where we discuss the joy of friendship.

> My Little Pony? Seriously?

It's a clever show. It has excellent writing, character dynamics, humor, animation, and generally treats kids seriously rather than condescending to them. It has every right to be a 20 minute corporate committee designed infomercial, but it's not.

> Isn't this a show for little girls?

Pixar technically makes shows for little boys, and produce some of the best animation in the world.

> Okay, fine. I'll give it a try. Where do I start?

No Brony could ask for more. I recommend watching the episodes in order. They're all up on Youtube. Unusually, Hasbro seems fine with having the entire series up in public because they've made no move to bring down any of the episodes. Search for "Friendship is Magic Episode 1" and you should find the series pretty easily... Or search for "Sharing is Magic" Google Doc. That is all.

> Okay, I'm going to watch it but this had better live up to the hype!

Whoa, calm down there. The show is light hearted, optimistic fun but it's not for everyone. It's good fun, the community is good fun, and everyone can do with a reminder that friendship is magic but if it doesn't gel for you we'll love and tolerate you anyway. Plus, you might hit the wrong episode. Ask first?

> Iron Hoof/Fan Theories/Shipping/Binding

All in good fun! If it's not your cup of tea, skim it, but this show has triggered a great creative outpouring from the Internet. Pony themed fan-art is abundant and often excellent. See below for some examples.

> Derpy Hooves/Doctor Whoof

Two minor background characters who were adopted as emblems of 4chan. Derpy Hooves is so named due to an animation error in the first episode that had her eyes facing in different directions; 4chan has assigned her the role of Ponyville's mailpony, and her only line so far has been "Muffins". The show's animators are aware of Derpy's popularity and she's shown up a few times recently with her eyes obviously derped. Currently made canon in Feeling Pinkie Keen and in Faust's picture showcased below, Derpy was deemed important enough to appear in storyboards for Season II.

Dr. Whoof is a pony with an hourglass cutie mark; he and his kin save time and space very quietly off camera.

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General Resources

Fan Fiction and News: Equestria Daily (http://www.equestriadaily.com/)
Discussion Image Forum: Ponychan (http://www.ponychan.net/chan/)
Pony Emotes: FiM Emotes (http://kefkafloyd.imgur.com/J8S59)
More Emotes: MC's Emotes (http://gitpmcerberus.imgur.com/ponymote)
Also Emotes: GD's Emotes (http://gadora.imgur.com/seekret_pony_projekt_1/1)
Pony Images: Ponibooru (http://ponibooru.413chan.net/post/list)
More Images: 20% Cooler (http://twentypercentcooler.net/)
Know Your Meme: Ponies! (http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/my-little-pony-friendship-is-magic)
Allspark MLP Discussion Thread (http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=76678&st=0&start=0)

Art Resources

OC Pony Creation Guide:

>How to make OC Pony (http://ponibooru.413chan.net/_images/048648773b808749ecbcd93b7825d545/22629%20-%20original_character_tutorial%20tutorial.png)<
>How to clothe a Pony (http://img.ponibooru.org/_images/10448a8bf5139a93e47ee0ab2185d577/23650%20-%20Touhou%20artist%3Awhy485%20drawing_guide%20fash ion%20guide%20pony%20tutorial.png)<

Deviant Art Links:

Lauren Faust (http://fyre-flye.deviantart.com/)

14 Bis (http://14-bis.deviantart.com/)
ButterSS (http://buttersc0tchsundae.deviantart.com/)
Csimadmax (http://csimadmax.deviantart.com/)
DonKoRR (http://don-komandorr.deviantart.com/)
Irving Zero (http://irving-zero.deviantart.com/)
Johnjoseco (http://johnjoseco.deviantart.com/)
Kloudmutt (http://kloudmutt.deviantart.com/)
Palestorm (http://palestorm.deviantart.com/)
Shinepaw (http://shinepawpony.deviantart.com/)

>Awesome Great and Powerful Trixie (http://kp-shadowsquirrel.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d49ccgo)<

Tutorials:

How to Draw Luna (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1YoOgNwPp4)
MLP Art Guides (http://s1208.photobucket.com/albums/cc361/DJPon-3/)
MLP Colour Guides (http://kefkafloyd.deviantart.com/)

Kloud TV (http://www.livestream.com/kloudmutt)

Concepts:

On the Design of the Mane Cast (http://sucs.org/~drspangle/Ponibooru-All-Safe/122%20-%20Posey%20g1_sparkler%20artist_Lauren_Faust%20twi light_sparkle%20g3_to_g4%20rarity%20lauren_faust%2 0rainbow_dash%20fluttershy%20pinkie_pie%20Firefly% 20g1_to_g4%20applejack%20Surprise.jpg)

Concept art by L. Faust:

AJ/AJ (http://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_THRVNyZ8xf0/TZPZtv1PUCI/AAAAAAAABPg/aTDHM_vJ3Ek/Applejack-08.jpg)
Pinkie/Surprise (http://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_THRVNyZ8xf0/TZPZtjpEWrI/AAAAAAAABPc/vlcKpVmK1FY/Pinkie_08.jpg)
Rarity/Sparkler (http://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_THRVNyZ8xf0/TZPZuba65VI/AAAAAAAABPo/o7oJ1OI4bcE/Rarity_08.jpg)
Twilight/Twinkle (http://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_THRVNyZ8xf0/TZPZuS8XZtI/AAAAAAAABPs/9CPSE6Je1Y0/Twilight_08.jpg)
Derpy/Ditzy (http://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_THRVNyZ8xf0/TZPZtusFdII/AAAAAAAABPk/4VbhxajIt1o/Derpy_11.jpg)

Group Shot (https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-zPGxLKSxqsI/Tet-724kmrI/AAAAAAAABoc/74J43JjtvVc/mlplegroupruff.jpg)

5 Best Pictures [IMHO]:

TG&P Trixie 1 (http://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_THRVNyZ8xf0/TYlPoSj31bI/AAAAAAAABKc/yhAESX1bWDU/129879022202-fim_thebestmagic2.png) 2a (http://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_THRVNyZ8xf0/TYevesc6Z3I/AAAAAAAABJE/wqYR1YU8-xM/129878791125-Magic_for_Friendship.png) 2b (http://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_THRVNyZ8xf0/TYlPoV0tFSI/AAAAAAAABKg/UIrpK2_XUDk/345%20-%20filly%20flower%20Magic%20noel%20Trixie.jpg) 3 (http://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_THRVNyZ8xf0/TYevn1UZNyI/AAAAAAAABJI/JQaTPZ7u9kk/1295392718493.png)
Twilight Sparkle 1 (http://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_THRVNyZ8xf0/TYlQKpEFW1I/AAAAAAAABKo/PJmzRBt_g0o/twilight-%28n1298746506900%29.jpg) 2 (http://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_THRVNyZ8xf0/TYgEWabUv0I/AAAAAAAABJg/S1emWO9FjbE/1297919269027.png) 3 (http://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_THRVNyZ8xf0/TYlQAwKvFvI/AAAAAAAABKk/08Q9f1BaGa0/1298478186234.png)
Rainbow Dash 1 (http://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_THRVNyZ8xf0/TY-tuXX0V5I/AAAAAAAABOE/vPLwNGpCsU8/rainbows_are_awesome_by_adamrbi-d3awtkv.jpg) 2 (http://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_THRVNyZ8xf0/TY-tugAF4JI/AAAAAAAABOI/RYGrQCZySJo/1298478713223.jpg) 3 (http://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_THRVNyZ8xf0/TY-tutzFrYI/AAAAAAAABOM/QP22FdlygtA/1299129766866.png) 3.6 (http://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_THRVNyZ8xf0/TY-vxE-8GgI/AAAAAAAABOY/ktOwjPQ3eiI/130057856759.png)
Fluttershy 1 (http://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_THRVNyZ8xf0/TZPZiSMaDSI/AAAAAAAABPQ/FNLXj6WE0ss/yofluttershybyarborishd.png) 2 (http://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_THRVNyZ8xf0/TZPZiUXQlvI/AAAAAAAABPU/SCs7qzer-6E/129860262040.png) 3 (http://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_THRVNyZ8xf0/TZPZiWhyIWI/AAAAAAAABPY/r6ClIhygmw0/1297113141466.png)

Pony Games

The most recent one. (http://www.yoyogames.com/games/168448-mlp-fim-the-way-home#)
Pacderpy (http://www.derpyhooves.com/games/pacderpy.html)
Two very similar dash based (http://www.derpyhooves.com/games/dashattack.html) cloud gathering sidescrollers (http://www.derpyhooves.com/games/rainbowdashmini.html)
Pony generator I (http://www.derpyhooves.com/games/custompony.html)
Pony generator II (http://derpyhooves.com/games.php?id=3)
Pony generator III (http://generalzoi.deviantart.com/art/MLP-FiM-Pony-Creator-Beta-210228500)

New: Pinkie licks cupcakes. (http://yeaka.deviantart.com/art/MLP-FiM-Flash-Game-202202384?q=boost%3Apopular%20max_age%3A8h%20frien dship%20is%20magic&qo=22) And a playthrough for it, too. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUy1UtuNet0)
Collect Cupcakes, Lick Ponies! 2.0 (http://yeaka.deviantart.com/art/MLP-FiM-Flash-Game-TWO-202342576)

Nice Fanwork

5AMVs:5Always (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhgzpnTYCXQ) Communism is Magic (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJHZ4E9tRHM) Derpy Cardcaptor (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWG0KLSJi8g) Freeze Ray (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMXhEXQSXSw) I can go the distance (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYonN9in668) Last Unicorn (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwT7V_LsRQo) Lunasong (Not Your Night) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krcJa44GWq8) Muffins & Bubbles (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gR_y8uRYI8Y) Pinkie's Brew (EE) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=682pneYoP0c) PonyCraft 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJbAT1wzS8U) Still Alive (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=za9f1c93FHY) The Stars Will Aid In Her Escape (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rV_0n5gp1fE) The G&P Heretic (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4szgPK9Rufw)1Ponies (That are British) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOi3StWmG7A)1Equestria Girls EE! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTPqjKk_xCo) Hub Summer Promo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKjBViIt-y8) Hop-Skip-Jump [original] (http://soundcloud.com/dannyimusic/mlp1-hop-skip-jump-song) Smile, Smile, Smile! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFf_rGavnFk)1Old Pony Songs 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHLqc8BSQMg) & 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCpBYLHIEuI) Ponies! (http://ponyvspony.com/) 5Comics:5The Damn Best Comic (http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2010/359/5/9/pinkiedeadpool_by_csimadmax-d35ms08.jpg). Ever. And The Prequel (http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2011/107/1/f/pinkiedeadpool_origins_by_csimadmax-d3e936w.png). And part two (http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/147/8/b/battle_for_equestria_02_by_csimadmax-d3hdr5c.png). And three (http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2011/154/2/1/battle_for_equestria_03_by_csimadmax-d3hz63e.png). And four (http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/160/a/f/battle_for_equestria_04_by_csimadmax-d3iighp.png). And five (http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2011/168/4/0/battle_for_equestria_05_by_csimadmax-d3j5nlu.png). Six (http://www.deviantart.com/download/256435109/battle_for_equestria_06_by_csimadmax-d48oalh.png) / Seven (http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2011/252/7/6/battle_for_equestria_07_by_csimadmax-d49cgt7.png) / Eight (http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2011/252/0/7/battle_for_equestria_08_by_csimadmax-d49dpsp.png).1Metaponies (http://gavalanche.deviantart.com/gallery/29877487). 5ED Fics:5Twilight Sky Over Canterlot (http://www.equestriadaily.com/2011/04/story-twilight-sky-over-canterlot.html) Sidelines / Midnight's Tale (http://www.equestriadaily.com/2011/04/conversion-bureau-compilation.html) World Without Rainbows (http://www.equestriadaily.com/2011/05/story-world-without-rainbows.html) Luxury Lotus Spa Follies (http://www.equestriadaily.com/2011/04/story-luxury-lotus-spa-follies.html) How Lyra Met Bon-Bon (http://www.equestriadaily.com/2011/02/story-how-lyra-met-bon-bon.html) Letters from Bubbly (http://www.equestriadaily.com/2011/01/story-letters-from-bubbly-1-10.html) Swayback Mountain (http://www.equestriadaily.com/2011/01/story-swayback-mountain.html) And Life Goes On (http://www.equestriadaily.com/2011/01/story-your-greatest-fan.html) The Three Notes (http://www.equestriadaily.com/2011/03/story-three-notes.html) TGaP Trixie (http://www.equestriadaily.com/2011/04/story-great-and-powerful-trixie.html) Antipodes (http://www.equestriadaily.com/2011/03/story-antipodes.html) Progress (http://www.equestriadaily.com/2011/05/story-progress-luna-versus-microwave.html) Bubbles (http://www.equestriadaily.com/2011/03/story-bubbles.html)1Pony Drinking Game (http://buttersc0tchsundae.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d3cng5n) |
5(Other) Songs:5At The Gala / FR (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQSmihuY5ms) Fluttershy's Lullaby / FR (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmDxuMvnehs) So Many Wonders / FR (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tbt-Z2RwfM) The French and Powerful Trixie (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcpeVg7yMv8) At The Gala / PL (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlVRN-qePmA) Art of the Dress / PL (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clm3GjqncJs) Winter Wrap Up / PL (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfqIEGb2s5w)5GitP Fics:5AmishPirate (http://www.equestriadaily.com/search/label/Author%3A%20TheAmishPirate)1Darth BC (http://www.equestriadaily.com/search/label/Author%3A%20Bobcat)1Deadly (http://www.equestriadaily.com/search/label/Author%3A%20Adcoon): Trollestia 1 (http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2011/200/0/b/trickster_goddess_nr_1_by_adcoon-d40tt3d.png) 2 (http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2011/201/a/4/trickster_goddess_nr_2_by_adcoon-d414fzw.png) 3 (http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2011/214/1/3/trickster_goddess_nr_3_by_adcoon-d42h2hx.png) 4 (http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2011/229/0/d/trickster_goddess_nr_4_by_adcoon-d46vksj.png).1EsperDerek (http://www.equestriadaily.com/search/label/Author%3A%20EsperDerek)1Grif (http://www.fimfiction.net/user/Grif)1PhantomFox (http://www.equestriadaily.com/search/label/Author%3A%20PhantomFox): Pride Goes Before a Folly (http://phantomfox7.deviantart.com/art/Pride-Goes-Before-A-Folly-211724143)1PhoeKun (http://www.equestriadaily.com/search/label/Author%3A%20Phoe)1Raz Fox (http://www.equestriadaily.com/search/label/Author%3A%20Raz_Fox)1Thanqol (http://www.equestriadaily.com/search/label/Author%3A%20Thanqol) 

Same Old Ponymotes:

Original Batch
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MCerberus
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Crazy!Twi
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Kyouhen Series feat. Ninja Pinkie!
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Seekrit Pony Projekt
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113-124 (Luna Series)

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125-136 (Sweetie Series)
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otakuryoga

2013-07-12, 04:25 PM

possible explination for why Sombra turned evil?
http://horsepower.emeraldcoastcomics.net/38

Forum Explorer

2013-07-12, 04:30 PM

reposting this from last page of last thread.

Out of curiosity, anything new in thread? Had pretty limited net access last day, probably missed a bit :smallfrown:

I don't know, flashback shows Sombra fighting off Luna, Celestia, and EoH taken together to a draw. If anything, IMHO he was final (along with Cadance) nail in the coffin of the theory that winged unicorns are in any way special.

Then how she lost? :smallconfused:

Not much. We had a debate about the nature of humanity a while back and a discussion about why we like MLP.

If I remember correctly there were no signs of the EoH being used. They banished him to shadow without a problem. Well one problem. Sombra prepared a spiteful trap to banish the Crystal Empire when he was defeated, which really suits his style of traps and plans.

Celestia managed to use the EoH against NMM. The EoH are basically the trump card to any foe.

Trixie

2013-07-12, 04:31 PM

I was considering posting Roidrage in WB suit as OP pic, but since some object to (or fail) joke pics, have it here:

http://www.quitdeedclaim.com/uploads/profile/photo-1257661.png?_r=1365687527

What? I warned you :smallcool:

Also, this picture is worth a thousand words :smallbiggrin:

http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2012/340/8/9/since_when_does_twilight_sparkle_ever_fail_by_texa suberalles-d5n9nzo.jpg

Rater202

2013-07-12, 04:35 PM

Now to christen the new thread with a 7 OFC solute.
http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2011/261/f/3/orbital_friendship_cannon_by_aeroytechyon_x-d4a7to1.png
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR3TjSmg2e5yiTUl2s7cx1ciIu2B1aNZ gg66Az1R2nRr8zXkCRYlA
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http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2011/251/d/1/orbital_friendship_cannon__by_ilsignorsoave-d49avh9.jpg
https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/5871959808/hAF18CBE1/
https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/5710111488/hB371965D/

I am in no way a trigger happy Mad Abomination of Healing Magic *LiarJack*

edit. I forgot one.

Trixie

2013-07-12, 04:38 PM

If I remember correctly there were no signs of the EoH being used. They banished him to shadow without a problem. Well one problem. Sombra prepared a spiteful trap to banish the Crystal Empire when he was defeated, which really suits his style of traps and plans.

Celestia managed to use the EoH against NMM. The EoH are basically the trump card to any foe.

There was oscillating colour shift, Celestia and Luna touching horns to produce their final attack, and enormous plot (ahem) hole on why they would fail to use their most powerful weapon in final attack both then and now (which is neatly filled by that attack being EoH).

Sombra not being a threat is Jossed by virtually whole episode, starting with ominous warning how important his hold on Empire is, the fact 'victory' against him was entirely hollow, ending on him beating the pair who defeated Chrysalis without breaking a sweat. Nope, that doesn't hold the water, IMHO.

Tiki Snakes

2013-07-12, 04:48 PM

There was oscillating colour shift, Celestia and Luna touching horns to produce their final attack, and enormous plot (ahem) hole on why they would fail to use their most powerful weapon in final attack both then and now (which is neatly filled by that attack being EoH).

Sombra not being a threat is Jossed by virtually whole episode, starting with ominous warning how important his hold on Empire is, the fact 'victory' against him was entirely hollow, ending on him beating the pair who defeated Chrysalis without breaking a sweat. Nope, that doesn't hold the water, IMHO.

Banished/Imprisoned or Banished and then Imprisoned is how the Royal Pony Sisters have dealt with every villain they have beaten. Discord? Imprisoned in Stone. Nightmare Moon? Banished to the Moon, Imprisoned there. Sombra? Banished to/Imprisoned in the Ice. I don't see any difference on that note.

As for why they wouldn't use the EOH as their final attack, because they didn't need it. Which given they didn't need it in the episode and we see them comfortably not needing it in the flashback, isn't a plot hole unless for some reason you assume that they were using the EoH in the flashback. Needing the EoH in the flashback and then not sending them when he returns would be a huge plot hole, in comparison.

Ponies casting powerful magic by touching horns to pool their power into a single spell is not only clearly what we see in the clip, but also something that has precedence from another episode.

I don't just have a hard time believing your argument. I have a hard time believing that you believe it, either.

Forum Explorer

2013-07-12, 04:49 PM

Looking closely at the flashback on the highest definition youtube supports. The beam is not rainbow, but comprised of yellow, blue, and white. So you know, Celestia and Luna's magic. :smallwink:

Also the beam came out of their horns, and their horns were glowing. Both things you don't really see when Twilight uses the Elements.

Celestia even describes the fight as "Sombra was overthrown, but we were too late. He placed a powerful curse on the Crystal Empire causing it to vanish into thin air."

So there is no plot hole. Celestia and Luna wiped the floor with him, but he thought ahead and prepared his revenge before he lost. Why didn't they use their most powerful weapon? Because they didn't need to and weren't expecting the spiteful vengeance curse on the Empire. Really we never see anypony immediately resort to the EoH unless that is the only option.

One Tin Soldier

2013-07-12, 04:57 PM

Shining Armour confirmed for D&D geek (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-yCyybpKHXsk/Ud9-6KlQOUI/AAAAAAABdVQ/w-w4ksiQjfo/s1600/4.jpg).

May have implications for Northern Empire players.

The biggest grin on my face. :smallbiggrin:

Hee. Would a Ponified DnD game be historical roleplaying or something? I mean, as it is, there's dragons and griffons and cockatriaces, so "I have a unicorn wizard" might not have the same "oomph".

Either that or something akin to the World of Darkness, where the setting is modern but the threats are supernatural.

Of course, it could just be that his "Monstrous Manual" is actually another guard textbook.

So, wonderbolts don't do drugs? http://i.imgur.com/N2nfK.jpg

Yes, you missed - rainbow magic in show was always result of EoH. Watch better copy than Youtube tv-rip, it's there, if obscured. Also, if you think it was not elements, maybe explain why they didn't use their most powerful weapon, or why Twilight didn't take them (maybe, just maybe, she knew they were used once before and failed).

And how about the fact every other villain was neutralized effortlessly with elements while all they were able to do to Sombra was to imprison him and they still failed at their primary objective (liberating Crystal Empire, as he took it with himself as final middle hoof). Plus, narration makes it obvious it was longer battle with only final moment shown.

Oh, and unlike all the other villains beaten by EoH he was able to free himself without any outside help. It's all in first episode of S3, maybe go (re)watch it (in good quality)? :smallcool:

First off, that clip was in 1080p. I don't know how you expect to find anything better.

Second, that beam of light was not rainbow colored, it was yellow and purple, with gradients between them. Every other time we have seen a rainbow in the show, the colors have been very distinct. They were definitely not the Elements of Harmony.

Third, just because it was a difficult fight doesn't mean that the Princesses aren't powerful. They were fighting Sombra on his home turf, where he had a whole nation's resources to draw on, as well as whatever clever plans he had to begin with. Just to start, I'm almost certain that he would use human pony shields to keep them from simply blasting him away.

Third, why wouldn't they use Elements of Harmony? I can't say for sure, though Celestia didn't send the Elements with Twilight either, so perhaps it's not an option for whatever reason. Or perhaps they were simply (over)confident in their abilities and didn't feel the need to use them.

Fourth, I'm glad this all came up, because I forgot how cool the animation is in that scene.

Humble Master

2013-07-12, 05:17 PM

Not sure what the procedure is for a new thread.

As for a Pony D&D they could just play mythical races that walk on two legs. Some have pointy ears, some have an unmatched thirst for alcohol and beards, some are scaly and can turn into gods ect.

Trixie

2013-07-12, 05:20 PM

Looking closely at the flashback on the highest definition youtube supports. The beam is not rainbow, but comprised of yellow, blue, and white. So you know, Celestia and Luna's magic. :smallwink:

Unless their magic randomly shifts hues (my HD disc) nope, it's not just their magic.

Also, colors being their magic proves nothing, in S1 episode 2 each element was glowing with color of its wearer. Would you say Mane 6 defeated Nightmare Moon without EoH? :smallconfused:

Also the beam came out of their horns, and their horns were glowing. Both things you don't really see when Twilight uses the Elements.

S2 episode 2 - not only Twilight activates EoH with her horn, her eyes glow. Exactly like Celestia/Luna in flashback.

Maybe a perfect match is exactly the same thing? :smallconfused:

Celestia even describes the fight as "Sombra was overthrown, but we were too late. He placed a powerful curse on the Crystal Empire causing it to vanish into thin air."

Exact transcript: He was ultimately overthrown, turned to shadow and banished to the ice of the Arctic north. But not before he was able to put a curse upon the empire.

Point A: 'ultimately' is used after long, hard struggle. Not effortless win. Point B: Celestia pretty much says he was able to take Empire with him as they were banishing him. Nowhere it says it was pre-planned action.

So there is no plot hole. Celestia and Luna wiped the floor with him, but he thought ahead and prepared his revenge before he lost. Why didn't they use their most powerful weapon? Because they didn't need to and weren't expecting the spiteful vengeance curse on the Empire. Really we never see anypony immediately resort to the EoH unless that is the only option.

That's A) not what she said, B) I'd expect someone saying "If the empire is filled with hope and love, those things are reflected across all of Equestria. If hatred and fear take hold..." to use everything they have got because Celestia pretty much said if she was a bit late Sombra would have taken over everything.

So, no, EoH had to be used, they didn't win with ease, and Sombra was actual threat. Any other interpretation goes against what was said and requires some support for that claim, otherwise canon plainly says 'nope'.

Rater202

2013-07-12, 05:30 PM

Unless their magic randomly shifts hues (my HD disc) nope, it's not just their magic.

Also, colors being their magic proves nothing, in S1 episode 2 each element was glowing with color of its wearer. Would you say Mane 6 defeated Nightmare Moon without EoH? :smallconfused:

S2 episode 2 - not only Twilight activates EoH with her horn, her eyes glow. Exactly like Celestia/Luna in flashback.

Maybe a perfect match is exactly the same thing? :smallconfused:

Exact transcript: He was ultimately overthrown, turned to shadow and banished to the ice of the Arctic north. But not before he was able to put a curse upon the empire.

Point A: 'ultimately' is used after long, hard struggle. Not effortless win. Point B: Celestia pretty much says he was able to take Empire with him as they were banishing him. Nowhere it says it was pre-planned action.

That's A) not what she said, B) I'd expect someone saying "If the empire is filled with hope and love, those things are reflected across all of Equestria. If hatred and fear take hold..." to use everything they have got because Celestia pretty much said if she was a bit late Sombra would have taken over everything.

So, no, EoH had to be used, they didn't win with ease, and Sombra was actual threat. Any other interpretation goes against what was said and requires some support for that claim, otherwise canon plainly says 'nope'.
But the beams from the elements of harmony come out of the Elements, here the beam came out or the Princesses' horns, and the first time The Mane 6 used the Elements, there was no horn glow, so horn glow is not a required part of element activation, and if it was, Rarity's horn would Blow to, but her's never does when the elements are used.

and the Picture book from the first Episode shows the Element of Magic, as a Tiara, on Celestia's head when she Banished Nightmare Moon, Which implies that the Elements were Jewelry then(Why they were rocks when The Mane 6 found them I have no Clue) yet Celestia And Luna are shown wearing there normal outfits.

as for why they would not use the Elements against Sombra, Well maybe they only work against things like Nightmare Moon and Discord. Before he was turned into living Shadow Sombra was Presumable an Ordinary, if powerful, Unicorn.

Tiki Snakes

2013-07-12, 05:34 PM

Exact transcript: He was ultimately overthrown, turned to shadow and banished to the ice of the Arctic north. But not before he was able to put a curse upon the empire.

Point A: 'ultimately' is used after long, hard struggle. Not effortless win. Point B: Celestia pretty much says he was able to take Empire with him as they were banishing him. Nowhere it says it was pre-planned action.

Point A: Uh, no? (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/ultimately)
Ultimately means At last, in the end, finally. Struggle or no struggle is simply not relevant, only the implication of a passage of time. Ie, he ruled, but in the end he was overthrown.

B: You're reaching. The section specifies no such thing. It specificially does not show him doing anything as he's taken down, other than wailing in defeat. The logical answer is that the curse was something he'd already instigated because it requires fewer assumptions.

As for the white eyes in silluette, that same effect is used in Luna Eclipsed. Unless you are suggesting she borrowed the Elements to make her entrance with, the items in question were in a whole other town at the time. There's no definitive link between white eyes and elements.

Trixie

2013-07-12, 05:39 PM

First off, that clip was in 1080p. I don't know how you expect to find anything better.

I'd expect HDTV source or Bluray disc. That's what I am using. Do you know how much Youtube compression massacres colors and fine details?

Third, just because it was a difficult fight doesn't mean that the Princesses aren't powerful.

They are powerful, but they are not gods fanon used to make them. That was thoroughly killed in S2/3. At best, they have that 'highest class unicorn' level, IMHO, we never saw Celestia or Luna do things on par with Starswirl or Sombra. Both times Celestia tries to fight, she loses, once offscreen, even.

Disclaimer: they might be more powerful, but I have strict policy 'WYSIWYG power level' as I am sick of fanon making Mary Sue of every conceivable character.

They were fighting Sombra on his home turf, where he had a whole nation's resources to draw on, as well as whatever clever plans he had to begin with. Just to start, I'm almost certain that he would use human pony shields to keep them from simply blasting him away.

That wasn't what we saw in flashback. Even if he did use underhanded methods (which is likely) the fact is, Celestia and Luna at their prime with all the resources of their principality and EoH still suffered strategic defeat.

Third, why wouldn't they use Elements of Harmony? I can't say for sure, though Celestia didn't send the Elements with Twilight either, so perhaps it's not an option for whatever reason. Or perhaps they were simply (over)confident in their abilities and didn't feel the need to use them.

Overconfidence is sort of explanation, but EoH failing before explains both past and present. Had they were merely overconfident they would use double care to take them to fight this time. No, IMHO that can't be it.

Deadly

2013-07-12, 05:45 PM

Shining Armour confirmed for D&D geek (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-yCyybpKHXsk/Ud9-6KlQOUI/AAAAAAABdVQ/w-w4ksiQjfo/s1600/4.jpg).

May have implications for Northern Empire players.

Like any nerd I like the reference, but I've gotta say I honestly can't see Shining like that, not from how he's portrayed in the show. Seems totally OOC to me. But I never had very high thoughts of Shining

Welf

2013-07-12, 05:49 PM

Second, that beam of light was not rainbow colored, it was yellow and purple, with gradients between them. Every other time we have seen a rainbow in the show, the colors have been very distinct. They were definitely not the Elements of Harmony.

It wasn't full rainbow, but it was also a flashback. The whole scene was in brownish colours, ans not in bright ones. colours.

They are powerful, but they are not gods fanon used to make them. That was thoroughly killed in S2/3. At best, they have that 'highest class unicorn' level, IMHO, we never saw Celestia or Luna do things on par with Starswirl or Sombra. Both times Celestia tries to fight, she loses, once offscreen, even.

Disclaimer: they might be more powerful, but I have strict policy 'WYSIWYG power level' as I am sick of fanon making Mary Sue of every conceivable character.

Which is kind of pity, since that was my fanon, too :E And I agree the excess of Sues in fanon is tiresome.

Rater202

2013-07-12, 05:52 PM

It wasn't full rainbow, but it was also a flashback. The whole scene was in brownish colours, ans not in bright ones. colours.

Which is kind of pity, since that was my fanon, too :E And I agree the excess of Sues in fanon is tiresome.

that was not a fllash back, that was Tia using illusion magic on a crystal

Forum Explorer

2013-07-12, 05:55 PM

Unless their magic randomly shifts hues (my HD disc) nope, it's not just their magic.

Also, colors being their magic proves nothing, in S1 episode 2 each element was glowing with color of its wearer. Would you say Mane 6 defeated Nightmare Moon without EoH? :smallconfused:

S2 episode 2 - not only Twilight activates EoH with her horn, her eyes glow. Exactly like Celestia/Luna in flashback.

Maybe a perfect match is exactly the same thing? :smallconfused:

Exact transcript: He was ultimately overthrown, turned to shadow and banished to the ice of the Arctic north. But not before he was able to put a curse upon the empire.

Point A: 'ultimately' is used after long, hard struggle. Not effortless win. Point B: Celestia pretty much says he was able to take Empire with him as they were banishing him. Nowhere it says it was pre-planned action.

That's A) not what she said, B) I'd expect someone saying "If the empire is filled with hope and love, those things are reflected across all of Equestria. If hatred and fear take hold..." to use everything they have got because Celestia pretty much said if she was a bit late Sombra would have taken over everything.

So, no, EoH had to be used, they didn't win with ease, and Sombra was actual threat. Any other interpretation goes against what was said and requires some support for that claim, otherwise canon plainly says 'nope'.

The point is that it isn't a rainbow. We've seen a rainbow every time the EoH are used. This time we only see colors that are associated with the ponies in question. Just like every other time we see magic used.

Look again, when the rainbow appears there is no glow on her horn. Her eyes do glow white, but Twilight also did that all on her own when she got her cutie mark.

Basically they aren't a match at all.

Ultimately just means in the end. In doesn't imply difficulty, time of fight, or how long he ruled. What we see is one spell taking him out.

And she doesn't say that at all. Just that he laid the curse before they defeated him. Which could be anytime ever.

The Crystal Heart's effects on all of Equestria is one of the weakest parts of that episode as the happiness of Equestria didn't disappear with the Crystal Empire. But as a counter point, if they didn't get the dragon to leave Equestria would have been covered in smog for a hundred years. Yet they didn't bring the EoH with them to kick him out of the cave.

So no, canon makes no mention of the EoH and requiring them requires a stretch of logic and what we see. It also creates a plot hole as mentioned earlier (the Mane 6 didn't bring the EoH with them.) Their ease of victory and how deadly Sombra was, in the past, is entirely left to headcanon. Since I have a poor opinion of Sombra I think that victory was easy and Sombra wasn't very deadly.

Topaz

2013-07-12, 06:04 PM

Topaz' Traditionally Tardy List of Pony tabletop RPGs:

Pony Tales: Aspirations of Harmony (Homebrew, d20 meets Final Fantasy style) (http://ponytales.forumotion.com/)
Ponies & Parasprites, Season Two (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B3c5FOJEDIrxd1hTRzdMVUFPcFk/edit?pli=1) (Homebrew) (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Ponies-Parasprites/210068732375744)
My Little Pony: Roleplaying is Magic, Season Three (http://www.mlprim.com/) (Homebrew - New Season Three Mechanics!)
My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic, The Roleplaying Game (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B2zrjqXYhlMcN2Q0M2VmNmMtY2I4Mi00YjA1LTg3NDctYzQ2Z GZiMDQ3ZGFk/edit?hl=en_US&pli=1) (Homebrew)
Pony Tales the RPG (http://catspaw-dtp-services.deviantart.com/gallery/39628312) (D6 system based)
Friendship is FATE (https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1PX7R81aQyH_HoJ7_tfOMhivgoh5T3tOgzgSXyZMWlQ g) (FATE system)
The Mane Six for FATE Accelerated (http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?692218-%28FAE%29-Pimp-My-Our-FAE-Characters!&p=16879846#post16879846) (RPGnet forum post)
The Savage World of My Little Pony (http://giftkrieg23.deviantart.com/gallery/30436047) (Savage Worlds)
My Little Legend (http://www.ruleofcool.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/My-Little-Legend.pdf) (Ponies using the Legend RPG (https://s3.amazonaws.com/det_1/Legend.pdf) from Rule of Cool RPGs)
Puzzles and Ponies (http://puzzlesandponies.deviantart.com/) (Homebrew)
Friendship is Magic, the Tabletop RPG (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=192468) (Homebrew, these forums)
Ponies: The Roleplaying Game (http://msfhwraith.deviantart.com/art/Pony-RPG-First-Draft-289542812) (Homebrew)
Sereg's Pony RPG (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1KyPWVXT93Zz8LiZawFxl6kUy0OrdlQYcBBXo-Sv6GKw/edit?pli=1) (D10 Homebrew)
Unknown Ponies: Failure is Awesome (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3207923/Unknown%20Ponies%20Failure%20is%20Awesome.pdf) (Unknown Armies)
Ponies for Oz (http://fdouglaswall.blogspot.com/2013/04/adventures-in-equestria.html) (Adventures in Oz: Fantasy Roleplaying Beyond the Yellow Brick Road)
Don't Rest Your Hooves (http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Don%27t_Rest_Your_Hooves) (Don't Rest Your Head)
Don't Hate Your Friends (http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?648876-DRYH-My-Little-Pony-FIM-Don-t-Hate-Your-Friends) (Don't Rest Your Head hack, under discussion)
Courage is Magic (http://littlelunamoonmatron.deviantart.com/art/Courage-is-Magic-1-14-MLP-Tabletop-Game-379531007) (Very Heavily Modified D&D4 based)
Ponies! My Little Pony: D20 adaptation (http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=12296.0)
Pony Races for D&D 3.5 (These forums) (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=182994)
Pony Races for Pathfinder (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1MTe-vJ44LNepZAT3Eqta5qkxntS8nefLDBpNAf4lFMI/edit)
Ponies for D&D 4e (http://tradwiki.foxxtrot.net/index.php?title=Pony)
Ponyfinder thread on Paizo forum (http://paizo.com/forums/dmtz52pj?Prisons-and-PoniesPonyfinder-Feedback-needed#41)
Storyteller based Pony RPG tumblr (http://tabletop-friendship.tumblr.com/)
The Conversion Bureau (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XTIaphB0TEF-lqfJpNpPv_-aJ2Al-GErMtVEKEX8FxQ/edit?pli=1) (Microlite 20)
Fallout: Equestria (https://docs.google.com/present/edit?id=0AcokIqzJW7QSZGYzdzdjY2pfMGRubXd6amY4) (Fallout Tabletop d100 project from [email protected] )
Fallout: Equestria PNP (Revised) (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1fsNLwKTWEt0pawFWLRzBtEPfvDQGitGPh8NN3Zk0xo4/edit?pli=1) (Homebrew, unrelated; forum here (http://forum.fallout-equestria.com/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=394))

Further contributions and updates welcome!

otakuryoga

2013-07-12, 06:08 PM

The hate came from methodology. Past sins ha a bunch of artificial press, pre-ordered professional artwork to have it available and in draw friend posts to build buzz, and wrote most of the entire story before releasing it slowly in increments to keep front page status (along with the artwork and buzz posts).

quite frankly...i wish more writers would do that
i got WAY too many incomplete/on hiatus stories in my file

Aotrs Commander

2013-07-12, 06:32 PM

Glah. And that's enough for the day. Since that's taken me... six...hours. Frag, has it really? Yep. Six hours. And all but the last three of forty-one fleets to go.

No wonder I was starting to run dry on pony music in that last stretch (and that after running through all sorts of different stuff before that...)

And then I have to update the actual ship record sheets.

And paint stuff.

*gibber*

And of course now I've nearly exhausted the stash of pony fic updates that came in a big clump I the last few days, haven't I?

Rater202

2013-07-12, 06:49 PM

Aotrs Commander

2013-07-12, 06:51 PM

Actually it appears the Decendant has come to my rescue with a new Spike story, Zenith, which I am about to go read...

Rater202

2013-07-12, 06:54 PM

Actually it appears the Decendant has come to my rescue with a new Spike story, Zenith, which I am about to go read...

regardless, my offer stands. just give the word.

Madcrafter

2013-07-12, 07:39 PM

Urgh, no one left a link to the new thread in the old one. I had to go find it. Why can't I have every lazy whim fulfilled? Builds character I guess.

Balmas

2013-07-12, 08:13 PM

I hereby declare Luna to be best troll.

http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2013/193/7/1/big_news_by_pony_berserker-d6d628q.png

DigoDragon

2013-07-12, 08:13 PM

Death of Queen Chrysalis? :smallbiggrin:
http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2013/193/6/e/the_last_starfighter_by_digoraccoon-d6d7ni3.jpg (http://fav.me/d6d7ni3)

Psst, Run!
http://th02.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/i/2013/192/3/d/run_run_run_by_atryl-d6d33pc.png (http://fav.me/d6d33pc)

possible explination for why Sombra turned evil?
http://horsepower.emeraldcoastcomics.net/38

Heh, totally laughed at how that ended. :smallsmile:

Aggressive marketing and a flawed first draft sound like a bit of a perfect storm when it comes to attracting hate.

True, but there are some that believe "There is no bad publicity".

Deleted scene from S3? She took out revenge on AJ's barn first? http://i.imgur.com/N2nfK.jpg

Given how often the Apples build those barns, I doubt that was a hardship XD

This is still my favorite gif

Mine too!

I was considering posting Roidrage in WB suit as OP pic, but since some object to (or fail) joke pics, have it here:

Hahaha, that is hilarious.

"I do! Yeahhhhh!"

Gamerlord

2013-07-12, 08:21 PM

I hereby declare Luna to be best troll.

http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2013/193/7/1/big_news_by_pony_berserker-d6d628q.png
....Applebloom, why do you have a picture of Twilight's plot framed?

otakuryoga

2013-07-12, 08:49 PM

....Applebloom, why do you have a picture of Twilight's plot framed?

that is obviously because this takes place in the same continuity as Mourning Sickness (http://www.fimfiction.net/story/94128/1/mourning-sickness/mourning-sickness)

INoKnowNames

2013-07-12, 09:19 PM

Hey, guess what! Fighting is Magic gave us a brief update! (http://www.mane6.com/2013/07/progress-update-and-fighting-games.html#more)And on my birthday, too. Today is a good day.

That said, I've actually been avoiding this thread a bit, and the entire media section specifically because of it... not that I don't think you guys are one of the coolest groups I've ever seen on the net, but because... well... the idea of My Little Pony's fanbase became kinda depressing to me... I'm happy enough today to be willing to ask; would anyone mind if I dumped a little emotional baggage? If not, I understand.

In any case, FIM is still a work in progress, but I'm very happy that it's progressing at all! Anyone else still interested in that?

Rater202

2013-07-12, 09:22 PM

Thanqol

2013-07-12, 09:29 PM

Rater202

2013-07-12, 09:31 PM

INoKnowNames

2013-07-12, 09:37 PM

I thought that they got shut down?

They did! Then Lauren Faust was like, I'LL JOIN YOUR TEAM! and The Internet was like LET'S POOL OUR MONEY AND GIVE THEM A PROFESSIONAL QUALITY FIGHTING GAME ENGINE, and now they're back in business with 100% original IP and the Skullgirls engine and rockin' harder than ever.

Well that's good to hear.:smallbiggrin:

I know, right? I'm sad, because they got shut down (for as far as I know, no real reason beyond being too popular. I'm genuinely unaware of any actual crime they've committed) just as we got a trailer over Fluttershy, and it turned out she was freaking Strider. But the project got revived by none other than Lauren herself, so all is indeed well.

I still wonder what the rest of the characters would have been like... I can imagine Spike with OTG Fireball Combos and at least one flamethrower super... though I'm just as interested in seeing what the new characters will be like, since they're -all- being designed from scratch specifically for the game.

Forum Explorer

2013-07-12, 09:38 PM

They are powerful, but they are not gods fanon used to make them. That was thoroughly killed in S2/3. At best, they have that 'highest class unicorn' level, IMHO, we never saw Celestia or Luna do things on par with Starswirl or Sombra. Both times Celestia tries to fight, she loses, once offscreen, even.

Disclaimer: they might be more powerful, but I have strict policy 'WYSIWYG power level' as I am sick of fanon making Mary Sue of every conceivable character.

That wasn't what we saw in flashback. Even if he did use underhanded methods (which is likely) the fact is, Celestia and Luna at their prime with all the resources of their principality and EoH still suffered strategic defeat.

Overconfidence is sort of explanation, but EoH failing before explains both past and present. Had they were merely overconfident they would use double care to take them to fight this time. No, IMHO that can't be it.

Sure, but that doesn't change what we saw against Sombra. Though we do see Celestia mimicking Sombra's magic so the only thing we haven't seen her do is banish a town for a 1000 years, but she wouldn't do that anyways.

So many assumptions. We see no EoH, we see no extra resources brought to bear. We just see Celestia and Luna instantly take him down. Just because he set a booby trap for the town afterwards doesn't his defeat any less crushing. It just means he managed to spit in their face before losing.

EoH failing explains nothing! It adds in so many complications like why weren't they sent in as well, why isn't Celestia and Luna taking this more seriously, and why they were capable of taking down Discord, while instantly reversing everything he did, but couldn't defeat Sombra, who is a mere unicorn?

You want an explanation for why they weren't brought in this time? They knew that Sombra hadn't been able to set up the trap again because Cadence was already in the city. So they knew they'd be able to swoop in and obliterate him if he managed to beat Twilight.

Hey, guess what! Fighting is Magic gave us a brief update! (http://www.mane6.com/2013/07/progress-update-and-fighting-games.html#more)And on my birthday, too. Today is a good day.

That said, I've actually been avoiding this thread a bit, and the entire media section specifically because of it... not that I don't think you guys are one of the coolest groups I've ever seen on the net, but because... well... the idea of My Little Pony's fanbase became kinda depressing to me... I'm happy enough today to be willing to ask; would anyone mind if I dumped a little emotional baggage? If not, I understand.

In any case, FIM is still a work in progress, but I'm very happy that it's progressing at all! Anyone else still interested in that?

First off, Happy Birthday! :smallsmile:

Second, yes more Fighting is Magic!

Thirdly, sure lay it on us.

I thought that they got shut down?

Kinda. They got a cease and desist. But they responded by making pure original characters instead of the Mane 6. And if I remember correctly Lauren Faust helped draw them.

Soras Teva Gee

2013-07-12, 09:46 PM

Man this thread title takes me back... I always felt it ironic that phrase accompanied another expensive and addictive habit.

INoKnowNames

2013-07-12, 10:05 PM

Kinda. They got a cease and desist. But they responded by making pure original characters instead of the Mane 6. And if I remember correctly Lauren Faust helped draw them.

That's what I didn't understand. What did they do to deserve it? They're free advertising! I mean, Team 4 Star was being threatened with them, but they were also selling Team 4 Star T-Shirts, and people were reporting that they were giving episodes of the main material for free (which they weren't). What was Fighting is Magic doing?

First off, Happy Birthday! :smallsmile:

Thanks! I'm 22 now!

Second, yes more Fighting is Magic!

I know, right? Though I'll probably be 30 before it gets finished and fully playable...

Thirdly, sure lay it on us.

.... well, to summarize... I've a slightly soured relationship with my BFFF because I got into a fight with one of her friends because said friend and her friends think I'm just trying to get into my BFFF's pants since I hang out with them despite not being a Brony by their standards.

Humble Master

2013-07-12, 10:33 PM

zimmerwald1915

2013-07-12, 10:37 PM

Arg. I'm having a devil of a time with the reaction of the crowd when Midnight Sky says that she has come to improve the town and make everyone an Alicorn.

Man, it is so hard when the characters you are writing about aren't yours.
There's no reason the characters you're writing about can't be yours...

Even if you stick with the choice to set your story in Ponyville, and to involve the more well-known characters from the show, not every character need have previously shown up. We've hardly met everyone in Ponyville.

SiuiS

2013-07-12, 11:12 PM

Eh, I could see some stereotype overlap between a farmer and a ga-

:smallconfused: Why am I just now noticing that Applejack appears to not be wearing any pants in that picture? Or does she just not have legs?

You can see her belt loop and the start of red-orange pants, just over Twilight's shoulder.

My vote goes here.

D&D: Deskjobs & Deadlines. It's a game about commuting, filing, and paperwork. The "monsters" are vicious bosses, annoying co-workers, and sudden deadlines.

It's a great form of escapism for those who have overly exciting lives as dragonslayers or royal guards. :smalltongue:

Head-canon'd.

Either that or something akin to the World of Darkness, where the setting is modern but the threats are supernatural.

Of course, it could just be that his "Monstrous Manual" is actually another guard textbook.

Suddenly, the word "Dice" makes terrible sense.
"HEY! What are you doing with that bottle shaped bag in the locker room?"
"Uh, me and the guys are... Playing... D&D. Yep. That's what we are doing. Playing D&D to celebrate winnin the state guard championships."

quite frankly...i wish more writers would do that
i got WAY too many incomplete/on hiatus stories in my file

Yeah. That was a good idea, poorly implemented.

Glah. And that's enough for the day. Since that's taken me... six...hours. Frag, has it really? Yep. Six hours. And all but the last three of forty-one fleets to go.

No wonder I was starting to run dry on pony music in that last stretch (and that after running through all sorts of different stuff before that...)

And then I have to update the actual ship record sheets.

And paint stuff.

*gibber*

And of course now I've nearly exhausted the stash of pony fic updates that came in a big clump I the last few days, haven't I?

Wow. That's some effort >_<

I know, right? I'm sad, because they got shut down (for as far as I know, no real reason beyond being too popular. I'm genuinely unaware of any actual crime they've committed) just as we got a trailer over Fluttershy, and it turned out she was freaking Strider. But the project got revived by none other than Lauren herself, so all is indeed well.

You're still viewing it like they did nothing wrong and got punished because CORPORATIONS. They reviewed a letter that said "Stop tryin to make monetary benefit with our characters" and they did. They were not "shut down", they were stalled until they could find an alternate route to achieve their goals. It's not arbitrary, it's a compromise.

Rater202

2013-07-12, 11:23 PM

the sequel to My Little Denarians is up.

I will link and review when I finish reading it.

Edit. apparently it's been up for a few days.

INoKnowNames

2013-07-12, 11:24 PM

You're still viewing it like they did nothing wrong and got punished because CORPORATIONS. They reviewed a letter that said "Stop tryin to make monetary benefit with our characters" and they did. They were not "shut down", they were stalled until they could find an alternate route to achieve their goals. It's not arbitrary, it's a compromise.

That's right, it was you who I wanted to talk to this about so long ago, but couldn't quite figure out what and how it is I wanted to say.

I would like to get one or two things out here on this subject. I've got nothing against Corporations or Big Business. I don't know how most of the world or the government of even the country I live in operates under, so I really can't judge. And I try hard not to.

From what they've claimed, monetary benefit doesn't seem to have actually been mentioned... and infact, I still don't remember them remotely asking for money before they got hit with the C&D. I remember Fighting is Magic being recommended (not by Mane6) for Evo 2013, and that's really it.

We have received a C&D letter from Hasbro's Legal representatives, asking us to cease game development, remove any materials that might contain My Little Pony characters, names, locations or related elements from the sites we control (Our site, our youtube, our twitch), and "cease any further use of [their] MY LITTLE PONY property".

We have attempted negotiating with Hasbro for the continued use of the property in our non-profit, voluntary project, but so far we haven't received an answer. As such, we're complying with the contents of the C&D letter until we receive answer from their PR and/or Legal departments.

Had the letter come after the Skull Girls Engine and actual money being passed around for multiple reasons (including the free engine GET), or if they started a Kick Starter or something, I'd understand it more. But again, as far as I am aware, and as far as I've seen them claim, Mane6 didn't actually -do- anything.

Right now, the only corporation on my **** list is Microsoft, for even threatening to go through with the Xbox 1 as is. Just the -thought- of it is enough to send me into a frothy rage. But otherwise, I've no issue with businesses protecting their interests. But I don't see what Mane6 actually did that was threatening their interest.

And until Lauren decided she'd join in the project with all new characters (or someone else deciding to make new characters, anyway), Fighting is Magic would have been dead in the water. How can a fighting game exist without characters to fight with?

Heh... I had some of that information saved away for a while... Siuis, you are not the kind of person to have an unarmed battle of wits/the mind with... and I'm still way outclassed. But I wanted to say that, again, for a while...

And yes, maybe my jimmies are still a bit rustled over never being able to play Strider Fluttershy....

Strider. Fluttershy. Strider-shy.......

Hm... Strider Hiryu... Fluttershy... Flutter Hiryu......

Anarion

2013-07-13, 12:11 AM

They did! Then Lauren Faust was like, I'LL JOIN YOUR TEAM! and The Internet was like LET'S POOL OUR MONEY AND GIVE THEM A PROFESSIONAL QUALITY FIGHTING GAME ENGINE, and now they're back in business with 100% original IP and the Skullgirls engine and rockin' harder than ever.

This is why it's cool to be friends with the Internet.

Had the letter come after the Skull Girls Engine and actual money being passed around for multiple reasons (including the free engine GET), or if they started a Kick Starter or something, I'd understand it more. But again, as far as I am aware, and as far as I've seen them claim, Mane6 didn't actually -do- anything.

They made a thing using Twilight Sparkle, Applejack, Fluttershy, Rainbow Dash, Rarity, and Pinkie Pie. They didn't ask Hasbro's permission or get any kind of license, deal or other employment from Hasbro.

That's not okay. Lots of people do it all the time (like...all of fimfiction), but it's not legal and Hasbro can tell anyone that does that to quit it, which they did to Mane 6 because their project was garnering way too much attention and showed the ponies in a violent light that Hasbro didn't like. That last part is conjecture, by the way. But regardless of the reason, Hasbro has the right to say no to anybody that uses Hasbro's characters without permission.

INoKnowNames

2013-07-13, 12:38 AM

This is why it's cool to be friends with the Internet.

I feel like the Internet itself is just cool.

They made a thing using Twilight Sparkle, Applejack, Fluttershy, Rainbow Dash, Rarity, and Pinkie Pie. They didn't ask Hasbro's permission or get any kind of license, deal or other employment from Hasbro.

That's not okay. Lots of people do it all the time (like...all of fimfiction), but it's not legal and Hasbro can tell anyone that does that to quit it, which they did to Mane 6 because their project was garnering way too much attention and showed the ponies in a violent light that Hasbro didn't like. That last part is conjecture, by the way. But regardless of the reason, Hasbro has the right to say no to anybody that uses Hasbro's characters without permission.

For the most part, I get all of this. I understand that Fighting is Magic was an unauthorized use of Hasbro's characters, and that Hasbro has the right to do whatever they want with that right, including completely locking other people out of using it.

At the same time, it's the -why- that still unsettles me. Just from a basic assumption of how the internet works, I'm willing to bet it would take me all of 30 seconds to find as many porny sites or images as I could fit in my browser and in my sanity, and I wonder how many of them get C&D'd.

Meanwhile, something that's hardly any more violent than the show itself that could attract further attention, advertising and potentially more business deserves to get shot down... why? From a business perspective, I genuinely try to understand beyond "they have the capability to protect their trade mark", but I really can't figure it out. I don't see why someone would shoot down positive publicity.

Again, I reference Team 4 Star and Dragon Ball Z Abridged, which generated buttloads of popularity and attention for Abridged serieses and Dragon Ball respectively. Entirely free attention because it's genuinely good without being damning. And it gets some people that would have never considered the series before into trying it; I've personally seen a few of my friends come around to DB because of DBZA. The same could have worked in favor for MLP; I know I first gave the episodes a blind chance because I saw FIM, and I was all "DUDE, WHAT WAS THAT! That was cool! I thought this was some lame show about pink and pretty; when did this get bad ass?", and I don't even need to bet that I'm not the only gamer who thought similarly.

I mean heck, even Megaman vs. Street Fighter got authorized, so I mean if Capcom has had 1-2 people that can be willing to cut a fan a bone for a project, why couldn't Hasbro turn a blind eye to a fan project that would have helped score Hasbro further fans (and subsequently further profits)?

I really shouldn't even care as little as I do, given that Fighting is Magic is still ongoing... I just wonder how far they've been set back in time because of it. How many months? Is years stretching it? It seemed so close to getting a public-release-able demo, what with Rainbow Dash being playable and Fluttershy even having a trailer...

Rater202

2013-07-13, 02:07 AM

Alright, now that I have Finished Reading Dresden Gets Schooled (http://www.fimfiction.net/story/114804/dresden-gets-schooled) so, I am going to try to do a review. Spoliered because Spoilers
So, it opens up with it being about a Year since Harry last saw the Ponies, In this Time, most of the events of seasons Two and three went on as planed, The Mane 6 and Derpy have recovered from their trauma, the Evnts of Cold Days Occurred, And the Meta Physical Mumbo Jumbo that was going on between Earth and Equestria has concluded.

Apparently, Harry Giving Souls to the Mane Six plus Derpy, and those souls Spreading to others, has resulted in Equestria being Dragged through the Outer Gates, making it one of the normal parallel Dimensions that one normally has access to. This has resulted in a lot of the supernatural Movers and shakers in the Dresdenverse to ponder what to do about it, furthermore the metaphysical implications of an entire fictional dimension becoming real are not addressed. The Good news is, Harry can Visit the ponies, or vice versa, with out getting in trouble with the White Council, as the Seventh Law no longer applies.

The Story Proper begins with Harry Making Good on his Promise to Derpy(Lots and lots of Muffins), at a party to celebrate their being able to visit once again, Hosted by the Carpenter Family, Who are Fans of the Show, and catered by the Winter Court(Between Winter Knight Harry and Winter Lady Molly, they can get allot of winters resources for pretty much Whatever they want)

At the Party, Harry Comments on Twilight's New wings, and Twilight Tells Him about her concerns about being an Alicorn and a Princess. Harry Responds that she has the other Princesses to help her get through it, and Twilight remembers a message Celestia sent for Harry. It's nothing Major, just there is going to be a little get together in the Crystal Empire, and Harry is invited and permitted to bring Guests so Harry and the Carpenters beem to Equestria, and Hang around ponyville for a few days just chillen and Getting Used to their Pony Bodies(it fails to mention what Michael's Cutie Mark looks like) Before heading north to the crystal empire.

And that night, Sunset Shimmer steals Twilight's crown and escapes through thee Mirror. Here is were the story departs from canon. Twilight does not go after her, harry does, and Michael comes with him.

They are thrown into teenage versions of there bodies, which are perfect matches for their teenage years, so Michael is not crippled, and harr is not covered in scars and crippled from the waist down, which is good because neither of them have powers.

They learn about Sunset(Who harry Dubs SS, Nazi Initials, And Sunny over the course of the Fic) the crown, and the fall formal in the same manor as Twilight.

After Brifly entertaining the idea of becoming the first male Princess of the Fall Formal, They Decide to Break into Principle Celestia's' Office and Steal back the Crown. Human!Rainbow Dash over hears them and thinking that it sounds like an awesome idea for a prank, offers her help.

Now something must be said. As harry is a teenager again, he has teenage hormones, And as a teenager he thought that Brash, smart assed tomboys were hot. this is important later on.

after waiting for the School to empty out(Harry and Michael were hiding in a closet, talking about things, most importantly about how the way Princess Celestia talked about Sunset Shimmer reminded Michael about worries he had for molly) Human Dash come to get them and the head to the Principals office.

Harry breaks the glass on the door, and swipes the crown, but they get caught by Snips and Snails, who run off to warn Sunset. At the Mirror, they are confronted by Sunset, who gives her original ultimatum from the movie. Harry asks if she is going to reveal her plan to concur Equestria, and as she does so, he pulls his gun and shoots at her feet. remembering the conversation from earlier, he offers her two choices.

1.He shoots her in the head.

2. She goes home, and cleans up her act before she goes too far into the dark side. he specifically mentions that where she is going, she will end up dead or in Celestia's stature collection, and continues to say that Celestia would probably forgive her and welcome her back

She takes the second option, obviously, but a problem remains. Human dash is their, and is asking awkward questions. remember how I said that Hormonal Teenage!Harry thinks that Human dash is hot? well he distracts her with a kiss.

Incidentally, while the story is called Dresden gets Scholled, the firts and only chapter is called " Sometimes, Life Just Kicks You in the Balls" guess why.

after Human Dash does the action several times, calling Harry a perv and stomps off questions forgotten, and Harry collects himself to thee point where he can think things beyond "ow my balls", Harry Michael and Sunset return to Equestria, and return the crown to Twilight. Sunset reconciles with Celestia, and agrees to become a student once more. However, Celestia is much too busy helping Twilight adjust to being an Alicorn Princess to take on a Student, and then Talks Harry into it. Harry Grudgingly accepts, and tries to look on the bright side, Maybe he can finally start examining Unicorn magic to see how it works, and then copy the Teleportaition spell.

Then He Remembers that his new Student has dirt on him, and she is Talking to Pony! Rainbow Dash

here is a quote
“He did WHAT?!”
All and All I give the Fic Four Stars and recommend it to anybrony that's a Dresden Files fan.

Rater202

2013-07-13, 02:10 AM

I feel like the Internet itself is just cool.

For the most part, I get all of this. I understand that Fighting is Magic was an unauthorized use of Hasbro's characters, and that Hasbro has the right to do whatever they want with that right, including completely locking other people out of using it.

At the same time, it's the -why- that still unsettles me. Just from a basic assumption of how the internet works, I'm willing to bet it would take me all of 30 seconds to find as many porny sites or images as I could fit in my browser and in my sanity, and I wonder how many of them get C&D'd.

Meanwhile, something that's hardly any more violent than the show itself that could attract further attention, advertising and potentially more business deserves to get shot down... why? From a business perspective, I genuinely try to understand beyond "they have the capability to protect their trade mark", but I really can't figure it out. I don't see why someone would shoot down positive publicity.

Again, I reference Team 4 Star and Dragon Ball Z Abridged, which generated buttloads of popularity and attention for Abridged serieses and Dragon Ball respectively. Entirely free attention because it's genuinely good without being damning. And it gets some people that would have never considered the series before into trying it; I've personally seen a few of my friends come around to DB because of DBZA. The same could have worked in favor for MLP; I know I first gave the episodes a blind chance because I saw FIM, and I was all "DUDE, WHAT WAS THAT! That was cool! I thought this was some lame show about pink and pretty; when did this get bad ass?", and I don't even need to bet that I'm not the only gamer who thought similarly.

I mean heck, even Megaman vs. Street Fighter got authorized, so I mean if Capcom has had 1-2 people that can be willing to cut a fan a bone for a project, why couldn't Hasbro turn a blind eye to a fan project that would have helped score Hasbro further fans (and subsequently further profits)?

I really shouldn't even care as little as I do, given that Fighting is Magic is still ongoing... I just wonder how far they've been set back in time because of it. How many months? Is years stretching it? It seemed so close to getting a public-release-able demo, what with Rainbow Dash being playable and Fluttershy even having a trailer...

Magaman vs Street Fighter are both owned by Capcom, and is thus a bad comparison.

Beacon of Chaos

2013-07-13, 02:17 AM

Hey, guess what! Fighting is Magic gave us a brief update! (http://www.mane6.com/2013/07/progress-update-and-fighting-games.html#more)And on my birthday, too. Today is a good day.
That is good news!

~HAPPY BIRTHDAY!~

Pony and cake for you my friend!
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And EqG will be coming to the UK (http://www.equestriadaily.com/2013/07/equestria-girls-heading-to-uk-in-august.html) after all. Only two cinemas listed though (both not far from Derby, I note, Commodore.)

Forum Explorer

2013-07-13, 02:18 AM

That's what I didn't understand. What did they do to deserve it? They're free advertising! I mean, Team 4 Star was being threatened with them, but they were also selling Team 4 Star T-Shirts, and people were reporting that they were giving episodes of the main material for free (which they weren't). What was Fighting is Magic doing?

.... well, to summarize... I've a slightly soured relationship with my BFFF because I got into a fight with one of her friends because said friend and her friends think I'm just trying to get into my BFFF's pants since I hang out with them despite not being a Brony by their standards.

Basically they were protecting their trademark. It was public enough to come to their attention and ultimately it's easier to tell them to stop rather then make a deal with them.

Ouch. :smalleek: Well that's a difficult situation and since I've never been in that one before I'm reluctant to give advice. I guess the question to ask is what do you want to do/what do you want from your BFFF's friends?

Arg. I'm having a devil of a time with the reaction of the crowd when Midnight Sky says that she has come to improve the town and make everyone an Alicorn.

Man, it is so hard when the characters you are writing about aren't yours.

That's a tough one. The crowd could do almost anything, within reason. What you have to decide is how they feel about Twilight. Are they proud of her? Are they envious of her? What? Because Midnight Sky will almost instantly be compared to Twilight.

It can be, but at the same time it can make things easier. The characters and setting are already done after all.

For the most part, I get all of this. I understand that Fighting is Magic was an unauthorized use of Hasbro's characters, and that Hasbro has the right to do whatever they want with that right, including completely locking other people out of using it.

At the same time, it's the -why- that still unsettles me. Just from a basic assumption of how the internet works, I'm willing to bet it would take me all of 30 seconds to find as many porny sites or images as I could fit in my browser and in my sanity, and I wonder how many of them get C&D'd.

Meanwhile, something that's hardly any more violent than the show itself that could attract further attention, advertising and potentially more business deserves to get shot down... why? From a business perspective, I genuinely try to understand beyond "they have the capability to protect their trade mark", but I really can't figure it out. I don't see why someone would shoot down positive publicity.

Again, I reference Team 4 Star and Dragon Ball Z Abridged, which generated buttloads of popularity and attention for Abridged serieses and Dragon Ball respectively. Entirely free attention because it's genuinely good without being damning. And it gets some people that would have never considered the series before into trying it; I've personally seen a few of my friends come around to DB because of DBZA. The same could have worked in favor for MLP; I know I first gave the episodes a blind chance because I saw FIM, and I was all "DUDE, WHAT WAS THAT! That was cool! I thought this was some lame show about pink and pretty; when did this get bad ass?", and I don't even need to bet that I'm not the only gamer who thought similarly.

I mean heck, even Megaman vs. Street Fighter got authorized, so I mean if Capcom has had 1-2 people that can be willing to cut a fan a bone for a project, why couldn't Hasbro turn a blind eye to a fan project that would have helped score Hasbro further fans (and subsequently further profits)?

I really shouldn't even care as little as I do, given that Fighting is Magic is still ongoing... I just wonder how far they've been set back in time because of it. How many months? Is years stretching it? It seemed so close to getting a public-release-able demo, what with Rainbow Dash being playable and Fluttershy even having a trailer...

We can speculate a lot on the why. And ultimately we won't know for sure. I think it was a knee-jerk lazy reaction. Just send out the C&D right off the bat because a response was needed so they defaulted to that.

Beacon of Chaos

2013-07-13, 02:26 AM

My Little Gravity Falls: Friendship is Mysterious
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-biHT-IOKJXM/Ud8nc-DY9tI/AAAAAAAApR8/e27vTuUcHwA/s1600/Supernatural.png

I don't think the artist quite gets how ponies walk yet.

And the guy who does Hot-Blooded Pinkie Pie is doing a tournament arc comic. Should be awesome!
http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2013/183/9/5/top_1_by_uc77-d6bo433.jpg
http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2013/192/9/a/top_2_by_uc77-d6d0prz.jpg

Balmas

2013-07-13, 02:34 AM

Hey, guess what! Fighting is Magic gave us a brief update! (http://www.mane6.com/2013/07/progress-update-and-fighting-games.html#more)And on my birthday, too. Today is a good day.

Hey, I know that pose! If it's the same attack, then that's our Applejack!

Left-B is dirty.

That's what I didn't understand. What did they do to deserve it? They're free advertising! I mean, Team 4 Star was being threatened with them, but they were also selling Team 4 Star T-Shirts, and people were reporting that they were giving episodes of the main material for free (which they weren't). What was Fighting is Magic doing?

I can't claim to be a legal expert, and the one who is can't give legal advice. As far as I understand it, though, it boiled down to the fact that if Hasbro knows that there's something out there that can threaten their property, and they don't do something to defend themselves, then stockholders can hold them accountable.

SiuiS

2013-07-13, 03:13 AM

That's right, it was you who I wanted to talk to this about so long ago, but couldn't quite figure out what and how it is I wanted to say.

I would like to get one or two things out here on this subject. I've got nothing against Corporations or Big Business. I don't know how most of the world or the government of even the country I live in operates under, so I really can't judge. And I try hard not to.

Alright. My purpose behind using CORPORATIONS and such is that even I you're not trying to judge, you are starting from a POV of one of the factions, rather than impartial. I'm trying to point out that "why did someone shut me down when " is an inherently biased starting point. That's all. If you [i]do get that, I'll stop harping on it.

From what they've claimed, monetary benefit doesn't seem to have actually been mentioned... and infact, I still don't remember them remotely asking for money before they got hit with the C&D. I remember Fighting is Magic being recommended (not by Mane6) for Evo 2013, and that's really it.

Business benefit, not money, I should imagine. They used hasbro property enough to become popular. The key to this system is overview. Above companies are the legal system. Companies have to obey rules even if they for like them, just like people do. Imagine Hasbro as a prison guard, say. This guard has no real problem with you making booze out of prune cups or smuggling in "literature" or something, but the Warden does. As soon as your "literature" collection or booze stash gets so big that the warden will buys you, and the guard who let you get that big... You've broken the unspoken agreement. That guard was nice enough to let you have slack and you abused the privilege, or maybe some other jerk copied you but worse and basically ratted you out, but end result is everyone has to start covering themselves because the hammer is gonna fall, regardless.

It doesn't matter who promoted mane6 for the fighting expo. It does matter that Mane6 got so big that if, say, McDonald's made a series of My Tiny Horsies or something they oils say in court "well they didn't stop mane6, why are we gettin in trouble?"

This is all generalized, if course. Not only can I not give you professional advice, I'm not qualified to do so. But the general idea is at least similar enough to be applicable. It's not just money, it's precedent. Lauren's joining them was a manner of support and protest that works within the rules, which I usually te best way to tackle such issues.

They made a thing using Twilight Sparkle, Applejack, Fluttershy, Rainbow Dash, Rarity, and Pinkie Pie. They didn't ask Hasbro's permission or get any kind of license, deal or other employment from Hasbro.

That's not okay. Lots of people do it all the time (like...all of fimfiction), but it's not legal and Hasbro can tell anyone that does that to quit it, which they did to Mane 6 because their project was garnering way too much attention and showed the ponies in a violent light that Hasbro didn't like. That last part is conjecture, by the way. But regardless of the reason, Hasbro has the right to say no to anybody that uses Hasbro's characters without permission.

Yeah. It's important to remember that te company lettin us do everything else we do is a favor, and not a given. We should be thankful we have why we do, really.

For the most part, I get all of this. I understand that Fighting is Magic was an unauthorized use of Hasbro's characters, and that Hasbro has the right to do whatever they want with that right, including completely locking other people out of using it.

At the same time, it's the -why- that still unsettles me. Just from a basic assumption of how the internet works, I'm willing to bet it would take me all of 30 seconds to find as many porny sites or images as I could fit in my browser and in my sanity, and I wonder how many of them get C&D'd.

Meanwhile, something that's hardly any more violent than the show itself that could attract further attention, advertising and potentially more business deserves to get shot down... why? From a business perspective, I genuinely try to understand beyond "they have the capability to protect their trade mark", but I really can't figure it out. I don't see why someone would shoot down positive publicity.

Again, I reference Team 4 Star and Dragon Ball Z Abridged, which generated buttloads of popularity and attention for Abridged serieses and Dragon Ball respectively. Entirely free attention because it's genuinely good without being damning. And it gets some people that would have never considered the series before into trying it; I've personally seen a few of my friends come around to DB because of DBZA. The same could have worked in favor for MLP; I know I first gave the episodes a blind chance because I saw FIM, and I was all "DUDE, WHAT WAS THAT! That was cool! I thought this was some lame show about pink and pretty; when did this get bad ass?", and I don't even need to bet that I'm not the only gamer who thought similarly.

I mean heck, even Megaman vs. Street Fighter got authorized, so I mean if Capcom has had 1-2 people that can be willing to cut a fan a bone for a project, why couldn't Hasbro turn a blind eye to a fan project that would have helped score Hasbro further fans (and subsequently further profits)?

I really shouldn't even care as little as I do, given that Fighting is Magic is still ongoing... I just wonder how far they've been set back in time because of it. How many months? Is years stretching it? It seemed so close to getting a public-release-able demo, what with Rainbow Dash being playable and Fluttershy even having a trailer...

Several things.

One, bolded... The baseline is not "why does my crime desere punishment when their crime doesn't" and that is just bonkers. It's a matter of who is easy to catch and how much they make themselves a problem (or are made a problem).

Two, you can't equate all companies to each other. How they treat guidelines and rules is based on their personal whims and acceptance of risk. I doubt Akira Toriyama is quite so concerned about abridged DBZ, but that is his personal choice. What you're saying, by beig confused at DBZ abridged beig okay where Mane6 is not, is "Anarion is allergic to peanuts, I don't understand why Thanqol is mad that I won't let him have peanuts".

Third, and it's coming up a lot here but I find it worth pointing out enough to do so again; all MLP projects happen under Hasbro's good graces. You are basically skimming off the top, as it were, and they turn a blind eye. But they can only turn a blind eye as long as "I didn't notice" is believable. Someone else taking their product to an expo without permission is too visible and potentially damaging to their property to be ignored.

I am being hyperbolic, you tend to bring that out in me. I trust my examples are sensible and not too absurd? Ivan try more direct communication if you prefer.

OracleofWuffing

2013-07-13, 03:15 AM

You can see her belt loop and the start of red-orange pants, just over Twilight's shoulder.
Ah, I was seeing that as footwear, with Applejack kind of on tip-toes and crouching down, knees pointed towards Rainbow Dash but concealed by Twilight. Though now Applejack in that picture looks quite chubby to me compared to Dashie, and I still can't figure out where her legs are supposed to go. :smalltongue: I guess she must be sitting cross-legged, but it's still spatially off to me.

Magaman vs Street Fighter are both owned by Capcom, and is thus a bad comparison.
At risk of putting words into somepony's mouth, the crossover part has nothing to do with the comparison, rather the matter that some guys made an unlicensed fan game, and then Capcom distributed it on their official site.

That said, I can imagine how a game where Hasbro's characters beat the snot out of each other could totally be something undesirable for Hasbro given how much of an uproar was had over Rainbow Dash naming Derpy.

Aotrs Commander

2013-07-13, 03:46 AM

....Applebloom, why do you have a picture of Twilight's plot framed?

Well, clearly bec-

that is obviously because this takes place in the same continuity as Mourning Sickness (http://www.fimfiction.net/story/94128/1/mourning-sickness/mourning-sickness)

-yeah, that!

And EqG will be coming to the UK (http://www.equestriadaily.com/2013/07/equestria-girls-heading-to-uk-in-august.html) after all. Only two cinemas listed though (both not far from Derby, I note, Commodore.)

They are, however, quite far from Wales, which is where I'll be on the two dates in question if that's the only dates they are actually showing it...

Wow. That's some effort >_<

Yeah, and it's not even over yet by a good shot. I'm gonna have to compare the costs of the capital ships (as opposed to the whole fleets) to see if I've really made the change I wanted to make (because until I do that, I can't be sure...)

Plus all the other crap I've got to do...

Edit: an apparently I'm going to lose nearly all of today because we're not just taking my sister's garage down were stopping there for barbeque, which means we'll be there most of the evening too. *sigh*

MLai

2013-07-13, 06:19 AM

Here. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKHcHukz9QQ) Can't say anything about quality, since I haven't listened to it.
It's excellent. I didn't have trouble immersing into it, and it's not even my type of story (Mane 6 intra-shipping... I was guffawing through some of it).
Thanqol, excellent and touching story. The main theme is very insightful.
VAs, thanks for bringing it to life. That's some good work.

Aggressive marketing and a flawed first draft sound like a bit of a perfect storm when it comes to attracting hate.
LOL I have personal experience with that.

Thanqol

2013-07-13, 06:40 AM

Here. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKHcHukz9QQ) Can't say anything about quality, since I haven't listened to it.

This is actually really good and I'm now wondering why no-one in a 19-pony voice acting team didn't so much as send me a link. The Pinkie VA especially nailed it.

It's excellent. I didn't have trouble immersing into it, and it's not even my type of story (Mane 6 intra-shipping... I was guffawing through some of it).
Thanqol, excellent and touching story. The main theme is very insightful.
VAs, thanks for bringing it to life. That's some good work.

Thank you.

DigoDragon

2013-07-13, 08:43 AM

Great and Powerful Saturday! (w/ponyfingers)
http://th06.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/f/2013/194/9/5/trixieplz_by_fauxsquared-d6d7kpu.png

Applejack tying up her hair (http://amy30535.deviantart.com/art/Tie-Hair-Up-385051252) skillfully.

....Applebloom, why do you have a picture of Twilight's plot framed?

I think the "picture" of Discord on the next panel explains it all. :smallbiggrin:
(Obviously it's Mourning Sickness as Otakuryoga pointed out)

Man this thread title takes me back... I always felt it ironic that phrase accompanied another expensive and addictive habit.

Just one other? :smallbiggrin:

would anyone mind if I dumped a little emotional baggage? If not, I understand.

Happy birthday!
If you want, you can pm the baggage if not dumping it on here.

Humble Master

2013-07-13, 09:05 AM

There's no reason the characters you're writing about can't be yours...

Even if you stick with the choice to set your story in Ponyville, and to involve the more well-known characters from the show, not every character need have previously shown up. We've hardly met everyone in Ponyville.

That's a tough one. The crowd could do almost anything, within reason. What you have to decide is how they feel about Twilight. Are they proud of her? Are they envious of her? What? Because Midnight Sky will almost instantly be compared to Twilight.

It can be, but at the same time it can make things easier. The characters and setting are already done after all. Thank you for the advice both of you. One of my brony friends is coming over today so I think I will ask her and then make my decision.

Tiki Snakes

2013-07-13, 10:55 AM

Thank you for the advice both of you. One of my brony friends is coming over today so I think I will ask her and then make my decision.

I personally see the most likely two responses quite similarly. First option- polite applause from an audience who doesn't want what she's offering really.
Second option - Complete silence, broken by a single voice from the back asking if it means they get to be Princesses.
Two ways that could go. If no, then the crowd continues showing no interest. If she says yes, cut to ponyville, one day later. Complete chaos, breakdown of law and order as several dozen fake alicorns caper about town being princesses. Derpy is comforting a desolate Midnight Sky, who turns to the grey Pegasus and says "I just don't know what went wrong!"

But that's just where my head takes the scenario, I think you are aiming for a different story.

DigoDragon

2013-07-13, 11:50 AM

Ponies in the Attic has updated! Chapter 5 - Minutes to Zero (http://www.fimfiction.net/story/113531/6/ponies-in-the-attic/chapter-5-minutes-to-zero).

Some local friends demanded that I not be the last brony in Florida to see the Equestria Girls movie, so they hooked up my daughter and I to see it. Not sure how that happened as I figured... well whatever. We went and saw it.

EqGirls thoughts~
It was a pretty fun movie. It's like going to a carnival and riding on one of those no-named roller-coasters. It isn't an "Expedition Everest" or "Incredible Hulk", but it still has the essence of a coaster~ speed, twisty turns, and you throw your hands up when you get over that one big hill.
That's how it felt and thus I enjoyed it.

My daughter was able to pick out every instance of Derpy, Trixie, and the CMC. She's got a good Perception bonus. :smallbiggrin:
We both clapped to the music, laughed at the jokes, and pretty much had a good time.
Now my daughter anxiously awaits the toy line.

Hasbro: "Just as planned."

I've heard that Sunset's odd idea of invading Equestria with teens was a weak one, but I had half a "Fridge Brilliance" moment~ if those teens turned into ponies going through the portal, then Sunset could replace all the kids in Equestria with her brainwashed counterparts. It might work, though they'd have to get used to not having fingers so then again... :smallbiggrin:

So yeah. Jump Up, Jump Down...

Forum Explorer

2013-07-13, 11:56 AM

I think I had something to say but I can't remember it. So...how about those ponies?

Rater202

2013-07-13, 11:59 AM

I think I had something to say but I can't remember it. So...how about those ponies?

Did you read Dresden gets Schooled yet?

INoKnowNames

2013-07-13, 01:54 PM

Gah, I forget you guys post while I'm asleep, and then again while I'm at work... ah well, at least it means I've got one more awesome thing to look forward to when I get back.

By the way, did I mention that I can walk again? Because I'm totally no longer a cripple, and I'm finally back at work now. :smallbiggrin:

Magaman vs Street Fighter are both owned by Capcom, and is thus a bad comparison.

Actually...

At risk of putting words into somepony's mouth, the crossover part has nothing to do with the comparison, rather the matter that some guys made an unlicensed fan game, and then Capcom distributed it on their official site.

Yeah, that. One of the few positive moves Capcom's made with Megaman in a damn long time. Which reminds me just how hyped I am he's in SSBU/3DS. I've got so many reasons to be hyped recently!

But yeah, someone took -2- of Capcom's things, and made something cool out of it, and instead of getting offended at unauthorized use of their trade mark, Capcom was like "... screw it, let's make this thing official!". And we were all like "... wow. That's nice of you." I just kinda wish Mane6 could have had that same kind of luck.

Great and Powerful Saturday! (w/ponyfingers)
http://th06.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/f/2013/194/9/5/trixieplz_by_fauxsquared-d6d7kpu.png

I really do forget just how easy it is to find images like that... I'm still not sure who is more feelz between the MLP fan base and the Touhou fan base....

Happy birthday!

Thanks! Birthdays are awesome! Take -THAT-, Grim Reaper! I'm still in the game, even if I'm 100 lbs heavier than I wish I was right now!

That is good news!

~HAPPY BIRTHDAY!~

:smallbiggrin:

Pony and cake for you my friend!
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And EqG will be coming to the UK (http://www.equestriadaily.com/2013/07/equestria-girls-heading-to-uk-in-august.html) after all. Only two cinemas listed though (both not far from Derby, I note, Commodore.)

What's EqG? I tried checking the site, but it's not loading on this rinky-dink laptop. And who'se the last pony in that pic? I keep jumping in and out of this thread, are you guys on like Season 5 yet? I'm only up to Apple Jack x Spike in Season 3...

Hey, I know that pose! If it's the same attack, then that's our Applejack!

It sure looks that way, which means there's a decent chance that Apple Jack's fighting style will make a return... I hope they have a character that uses the Fireball/Paper (with a refluff) combos Twilight had. I still can't believe Apple Jack won that first tournament because the players were trying to get into freaking Melee Range. What the flip! Seriously? Why's Twilight even remotely approaching her targets? Fireballs, Teleports, and Paper Trap Mix Ups means she should have controlled how the matches went... The tournament should have easily gone to either a Twilight or Rarity. Rarity probably because she doesn't have to charge up for her magic and has even crazier mix ups...

If you want, you can pm the baggage if not dumping it on here.

I suppose, but I kinda hoped to get input from as many enlightened equestrians as I could, if any more were willing to share their thoughts with me... And since I've at least got two willing to hear my insanity, I'll spoil it here.

Heh. Enlightened Equestrians... Hm.

Enlightened Eager Equestrians Entertain Everyone.

:smalltongue:

Ouch. :smalleek: Well that's a difficult situation and since I've never been in that one before I'm reluctant to give advice. I guess the question to ask is what do you want to do/what do you want from your BFFF's friends?

Honestly, at first, my gut instinct was to punch said BFFF's friend's teeth out. No, I didn't, and before you get ready to respond and tell me that I'm a monster for thinking of it, please read the spoiler.

Context on everyone. The BFFF (it's not a gay thing for me to refer to my Best Female Friend (hopefully) Forever as my BFFF, is it?) is my longest standing High School Friend. Her circle of friends, she's known since her lower grade school years, so I'm the outside there, and I'm cool with that.

One of those friends, however, fiercely dislikes me. Probably stems from the fact that the BFFF is Bisexual, the friend is a Lesbian, they've got some tension, and I suppose I'd be lying if there wasn't a hint of UST between myself and BFFF (who was also the girl to give me my first kiss).

It also might have to do with the fact that where I live, and most of the decent places I visit, I'm the blackest person around. The rest literally live in the ghetto, so I'm the token ******. And not everyone appreciates it.

Anywho, I'm getting back from vacation, and I missed BFFF's birthday while I was gone, but she's going to a party at her College, and I can come along. So I figured I could give her the gift I got for her and all would be well.

Her circle of friends was coming along, too, including said "friend". And everyone (sans me) is dressed up in Pony-garb, since it's an MLP Party. I don't own a single thing MLP related. When questioned on this, I respond honestly. "I'm really not all that into the merchandise or even the show itself. I'm not much of a brony, if at all. I mean, yeah, it's a good show; beats the **** out of Flap Jack and Chowder, and I certainly feel like it's not worth judging in ignorance, but I'm not really a "fan" fan. It's like with my church. I may go to a Christian Church, but I'm still a Messianic Jew. I just feel like we can all still get along, though, right? With that, we're still praying to the same God and same Jesus with lessons about being good people, and with this, Friendship -is- Magic, right? I can hang out with my friend and not like the same things as much..."

This explanation came about because "Friend" was hammering me about it all night. Eventually, in the middle of the party, I just plain ask her why she's still on my case about it, and why I can't simply hang out with my BFFF and her crew. She calls me a faker and says I don't belong here.

BFFF immediately snaps at her for it, but that already skull ****ed the night. I tell "Friend", with what little civility I had left in me, "You can think whatever you want about whatever you want. It won't make it true." before walking off to the bathroom. I come back, and ultimately find that she's been talking about me to the rest of the people at the party behind my back. So I confront her about why she won't leave me alone.

And she goes "It's because you don't actually care about anything, especially BFFF. Your kind just can't. All you want is to put your **** in her. You should go back to where ever you crawled out of." I didn't punch her on reflex and the teachings of those who love me alone. Because otherwise, I'd have broken my arm again on her face. Instead, I tell her how she's so pathetic for not knowing anything about the show she claims to be a fan of. And she splashes me with her drink, before saying I'm pathetic for trying to be something I'm not, and then in a whisper, adding for trying to amount to anything more than my mother's mistake.

I'm fuming at this point, not breaking into tears only because every single ounce of empathy and weakness in my body is doing its level best to keep the rest of me from outright turning violent, and so I just leave. I don't even know what everyone else was doing, beyond a few of -Friend-'s minions laughing with her.

And I haven't talked to BFFF since. I never even gave her the gift I got her for her birthday...

So, my first group outing to actually try to experience this fan base in person, and I get juice thrown on me, insulted, and laughed at. Because Friendship is Magic, right?

On an unrelated note, the theme song to Pacific Rim is so awesome. The hype makes it easier to tell this story.

Listen. Listen to the Hype. LISTEN TO THE HYPE! LISTEN TO IT! (http://www.infinitelooper.com/?v=LpuhWD4mjUY&p=n)

Alright. My purpose behind using CORPORATIONS and such is that even I you're not trying to judge, you are starting from a POV of one of the factions, rather than impartial. I'm trying to point out that "why did someone shut me down when " is an inherently biased starting point. That's all. If you do get that, I'll stop harping on it.

Oh. You should have just came with that directly. Sometimes, when you need to say something to me, just beat me over the head with it with a sledge hammer, and then I'll understand. I'm a dumbass, remember?

Like I said, I've nothing against groups, mostly because I don't understand them. Still wanna say that. But yeah, if I've got to pick who I'm more sympathetic for, between someone whom I don't know at all, and someone who I don't know at all but made a product that completely and utterly captivated my senses and that I'm personally willing to help physically back, I'd be lying if I claimed my balance wasn't even slightly shifted toward Mane6. I'm only clarifying that I'm True Neutral, not Chaotic Neutral. I've no business against Law directly. I just get passionate about things I enjoy, and maybe more defensive than is needed.

But come on.... [I]FLUTTA HIRYU: READY FOR BATTLE! ... if that's okay with you.

That would have been awesome...

That said, I can imagine how a game where Hasbro's characters beat the snot out of each other could totally be something undesirable for Hasbro given how much of an uproar was had over Rainbow Dash naming Derpy.

Fair enough... some people I still overhear frothing about how Lesbo Rainbow is. I still don't see it.

... I could have sworn that there were articles about random controversies over this subject, but a google search only shows links I'm not willing to open.

But yeah, there's enough stupid things for people to rage about without adding Violence, Video Games and (oh dear god) the combination of such.

Several things.

One, bolded... The baseline is not "why does my crime desere punishment when their crime doesn't" and that is just bonkers. It's a matter of who is easy to catch and how much they make themselves a problem (or are made a problem).

That's not quite the message I'm trying to lament. It's more "why treat what could be a genuine opportunity as adversity?".

Two, you can't equate all companies to each other. How they treat guidelines and rules is based on their personal whims and acceptance of risk. I doubt Akira Toriyama is quite so concerned about abridged DBZ, but that is his personal choice.

52.

I had 52 AMVS favorited on Youtube, based on the Dragon Ball Z model. And I'm sure there are more, not to mention clips of the sound tracks and such. All shut down. I'm ultimately not affected, since I have most of the music and bought the dvds and vhs's of the episodes, but still, Funamation were going quite out of their way with the "improper use" sticker for a while.

Before you respond to this, know that I do get and understand your point. Some companies feel the need to defend their trade mark vigilantly. Nintendo's been doing a bit more of that recently, actually. Some companies don't. Zun's pretty cool about people doing what they want. It just depends, and there's not a lot that can be said on the subject.

Third, and it's coming up a lot here but I find it worth pointing out enough to do so again; all MLP projects happen under Hasbro's good graces. You are basically skimming off the top, as it were, and they turn a blind eye. But they can only turn a blind eye as long as "I didn't notice" is believable. Someone else taking their product to an expo without permission is too visible and potentially damaging to their property to be ignored.

Fair enough, but couldn't they have just prevented the Expo from using it? Did it really need to be shut down right at the roots?

I mean, in a week, people donated almost $4000 for it. And I'm sure just as many of those gamers wouldn't have minded donating more, or even paying to play the game. No one at Hasbro saw opportunity knocking, to get access into a niche that wouldn't normally have been tapped by My Little Pony?

Isn't that what Friendship is Magic did, period?

I am being hyperbolic, you tend to bring that out in me.

As long as I don't bring out annoyance or disdain like I normally do.

I trust my examples are sensible and not too absurd? Ivan try more direct communication if you prefer.

They seem to be mostly fine-ish to me, though I may just be missing the point. The only thing I'm curious about are the random spellings here and there, but that's just nit-picking.

What you're saying, by beig confused at DBZ abridged beig okay where Mane6 is not, is "Anarion is allergic to peanuts, I don't understand why Thanqol is mad that I won't let him have peanuts".

.... I'll be entirely honest, though, I may have missed a decimal place or two for this analogy.

I can't claim to be a legal expert, and the one who is can't give legal advice. As far as I understand it, though, it boiled down to the fact that if Hasbro knows that there's something out there that can threaten their property, and they don't do something to defend themselves, then stockholders can hold them accountable.

This is all generalized, if course. Not only can I not give you professional advice, I'm not qualified to do so. But the general idea is at least similar enough to be applicable. It's not just money, it's precedent. Lauren's joining them was a manner of support and protest that works within the rules, which I usually te best way to tackle such issues.

Yeah. It's important to remember that te company lettin us do everything else we do is a favor, and not a given. We should be thankful we have why we do, really.

Business benefit, not money, I should imagine. They used hasbro property enough to become popular. The key to this system is overview. Above companies are the legal system. Companies have to obey rules even if they for like them, just like people do. Imagine Hasbro as a prison guard, say. This guard has no real problem with you making booze out of prune cups or smuggling in "literature" or something, but the Warden does. As soon as your "literature" collection or booze stash gets so big that the warden will buys you, and the guard who let you get that big... You've broken the unspoken agreement. That guard was nice enough to let you have slack and you abused the privilege, or maybe some other jerk copied you but worse and basically ratted you out, but end result is everyone has to start covering themselves because the hammer is gonna fall, regardless.

It doesn't matter who promoted mane6 for the fighting expo. It does matter that Mane6 got so big that if, say, McDonald's made a series of My Tiny Horsies or something they oils say in court "well they didn't stop mane6, why are we gettin in trouble?"

Basically they were protecting their trademark. It was public enough to come to their attention and ultimately it's easier to tell them to stop rather then make a deal with them.
We can speculate a lot on the why. And ultimately we won't know for sure. I think it was a knee-jerk lazy reaction. Just send out the C&D right off the bat because a response was needed so they defaulted to that.

Ultimately, the one thing you should take away from my responses is that I sincerely do get that Hasbro's Lawyers have to do what they view is best for the company, and I'm an idealistic fool if I thought for a second that they were evil for it. I understand that entirely. At the same time, I just wonder what the status of the game could be like right now if someone else in the company was viewing options, and was all:

"Hey! What's all this then?"

"It looks like someone's using the MLP License for a Fan Created Game, and it's getting rather popular! Could be risky, let's prepare a Cease and Des-"

"Wait a second... this looks promising. And it's gathering decent fan attention... You know what? Let's do a bit of digging and see what this is about. Maybe see if these guys can be contacted."

Then again, Lauren basically did that, so I suppose I've got an answer, so to speak, huh?

Rater202

2013-07-13, 02:35 PM

Honestly, at first, my gut instinct was to punch said BFFF's friend's teeth out. No, I didn't, and before you get ready to respond and tell me that I'm a monster for thinking of it, please read the spoiler.

Context on everyone. The BFFF (it's not a gay thing for me to refer to my Best Female Friend (hopefully) Forever as my BFFF, is it?) is my longest standing High School Friend. Her circle of friends, she's known since her lower grade school years, so I'm the outside there, and I'm cool with that.

One of those friends, however, fiercely dislikes me. Probably stems from the fact that the BFFF is Bisexual, the friend is a Lesbian, they've got some tension, and I suppose I'd be lying if there wasn't a hint of UST between myself and BFFF (who was also the girl to give me my first kiss).

It also might have to do with the fact that where I live, and most of the decent places I visit, I'm the blackest person around. The rest literally live in the ghetto, so I'm the token ******. And not everyone appreciates it.

Anywho, I'm getting back from vacation, and I missed BFFF's birthday while I was gone, but she's going to a party at her College, and I can come along. So I figured I could give her the gift I got for her and all would be well.

Her circle of friends was coming along, too, including said "friend". And everyone (sans me) is dressed up in Pony-garb, since it's an MLP Party. I don't own a single thing MLP related. When questioned on this, I respond honestly. "I'm really not all that into the merchandise or even the show itself. I'm not much of a brony, if at all. I mean, yeah, it's a good show; beats the **** out of Flap Jack and Chowder, and I certainly feel like it's not worth judging in ignorance, but I'm not really a "fan" fan. It's like with my church. I may go to a Christian Church, but I'm still a Messianic Jew. I just feel like we can all still get along, though, right? With that, we're still praying to the same God and same Jesus with lessons about being good people, and with this, Friendship -is- Magic, right? I can hang out with my friend and not like the same things as much..."

This explanation came about because "Friend" was hammering me about it all night. Eventually, in the middle of the party, I just plain ask her why she's still on my case about it, and why I can't simply hang out with my BFFF and her crew. She calls me a faker and says I don't belong here.

BFFF immediately snaps at her for it, but that already skull ****ed the night. I tell "Friend", with what little civility I had left in me, "You can think whatever you want about whatever you want. It won't make it true." before walking off to the bathroom. I come back, and ultimately find that she's been talking about me to the rest of the people at the party behind my back. So I confront her about why she won't leave me alone.

And she goes "It's because you don't actually care about anything, especially BFFF. Your kind just can't. All you want is to put your **** in her. You should go back to where ever you crawled out of." I didn't punch her on reflex and the teachings of those who love me alone. Because otherwise, I'd have broken my arm again on her face. Instead, I tell her how she's so pathetic for not knowing anything about the show she claims to be a fan of. And she splashes me with her drink, before saying I'm pathetic for trying to be something I'm not, and then in a whisper, adding for trying to amount to anything more than my mother's mistake.

I'm fuming at this point, not breaking into tears only because every single ounce of empathy and weakness in my body is doing its level best to keep the rest of me from outright turning violent, and so I just leave. I don't even know what everyone else was doing, beyond a few of -Friend-'s minions laughing with her.

And I haven't talked to BFFF since. I never even gave her the gift I got her for her birthday...

So, my first group outing to actually try to experience this fan base in person, and I get juice thrown on me, insulted, and laughed at. Because Friendship is Magic, right?

On an unrelated note, the theme song to Pacific Rim is so awesome. The hype makes it easier to tell this story.

Listen. Listen to the Hype. LISTEN TO THE HYPE! LISTEN TO IT! (http://www.infinitelooper.com/?v=LpuhWD4mjUY&p=n)

The next time you see this "Friend", tell them to come to this thread, and read this post I am making Right now.

Have her read the Spoiler Below.
Attention Bitch. You have not Loved and Tolerated. As a Representative of the internet I am here by Confiscating your Brony Card. You may no longer watch the Show, as you clearly do not understand what it is about. Violating this decree is grounds for being Banished. To. The. MOON!

Have a nice day

And hugs for you, because after sh*t like that, I think you need some.
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otakuryoga

2013-07-13, 02:43 PM

well...watched the new DC nation show
"Beware the Batman"
...interesting

the art style isn't my favorite..but not as gawdawful as the future batman one
looks like they are going in an interesting direction with it, adding some new twists

kpenguin

2013-07-13, 02:59 PM

You don't like the DCAU art style?

OracleofWuffing

2013-07-13, 03:10 PM

zimmerwald1915

2013-07-13, 03:31 PM

Alright, I think I need some help with a yarn my head's trying to spin. The short of things is that I have a cast of ponies that have had "something" of their personality taken away from them. The one I'm working on right now is that she's had her humanity taken away, and is now more like a Tarzan/George of the Jungle-type feral/wild/beastlike character. But, for obvious reasons, I don't want to use the word "humanity," and "ponymanity" or "ponity" just don't gel well with me. The only synonym I can come up with for this sort of instance is civility, and there it sounds like I'm using an outdated definition to get the point across. Anyone got a suggestion for a single-word nounish that I could use for this circumstance?
-ness, -hood, -dom, and -ship are noun endings that can be used in a way similar to -ity. Of "ponyness", "ponyhood", "ponydom", and "ponyship", I would favor "ponydom" for one reason: it appears in the show. Celestia "harnessed the most powerful magic known to ponydom" in order to battle Nightmare Moon. Replace "ponydom" in that sentence with "humanity", and it scans. Granted, the word in that context refers to the collective of ponies/humans rather than the quality or state of being a pony/human, but there's nothing to suggest it has to only refer to that, particularly as "humanity" can refer to both.

Gamerlord

2013-07-13, 03:43 PM

EqGirls thoughts~
It was a pretty fun movie. It's like going to a carnival and riding on one of those no-named roller-coasters. It isn't an "Expedition Everest" or "Incredible Hulk", but it still has the essence of a coaster~ speed, twisty turns, and you throw your hands up when you get over that one big hill.
That's how it felt and thus I enjoyed it.

My daughter was able to pick out every instance of Derpy, Trixie, and the CMC. She's got a good Perception bonus. :smallbiggrin:
We both clapped to the music, laughed at the jokes, and pretty much had a good time.
Now my daughter anxiously awaits the toy line.

Hasbro: "Just as planned."

I've heard that Sunset's odd idea of invading Equestria with teens was a weak one, but I had half a "Fridge Brilliance" moment~ if those teens turned into ponies going through the portal, then Sunset could replace all the kids in Equestria with her brainwashed counterparts. It might work, though they'd have to get used to not having fingers so then again... :smallbiggrin:

So yeah. Jump Up, Jump Down...
You know, I'm not sure it would really matter if Shimmer's plan would work or was any good. If we assume Celestia was serious when she sending just six people through the portal was too dangerous and risked upsetting the balance or something like that, I imagine sending hundreds/thousands would probably create some giant explosion that kills everyone on both sides.

What's EqG? I tried checking the site, but it's not loading on this rinky-dink laptop. And who'se the last pony in that pic? I keep jumping in and out of this thread, are you guys on like Season 5 yet? I'm only up to Apple Jack x Spike in Season 3...

Equestria Girls is a spin off movie of the show that has Twilight travel through a portal to a high school on Earth( Well, something Earth-ish given the rainbow colored inhabitants, and I'm pretty sure they never call it by name.) Makes more sense in context.
As for the season, Season 4 isn't even out yet (And if the Winter release date is accurate, probably won't be seeing it for a few months.) We don't even know if the show is getting a fifth one yet.* :smalltongue:
*Although seeing as how it's supposedly the only Hasbro girls franchise doing particularly well, it'll probably get more then that.

EDIT: Oh, and happy belated birthday. :smallredface:

Deadly

2013-07-13, 04:08 PM

zimmerwald1915

2013-07-13, 04:12 PM

Equinity? I think that actually sounds okay
It looks and sounds a little too much like "equity" or "equality" for my taste. But more options is only a bad thing when it leads to indecision.

Forum Explorer

2013-07-13, 04:25 PM

Honestly, at first, my gut instinct was to punch said BFFF's friend's teeth out. No, I didn't, and before you get ready to respond and tell me that I'm a monster for thinking of it, please read the spoiler.

Context on everyone. The BFFF (it's not a gay thing for me to refer to my Best Female Friend (hopefully) Forever as my BFFF, is it?) is my longest standing High School Friend. Her circle of friends, she's known since her lower grade school years, so I'm the outside there, and I'm cool with that.

One of those friends, however, fiercely dislikes me. Probably stems from the fact that the BFFF is Bisexual, the friend is a Lesbian, they've got some tension, and I suppose I'd be lying if there wasn't a hint of UST between myself and BFFF (who was also the girl to give me my first kiss).

It also might have to do with the fact that where I live, and most of the decent places I visit, I'm the blackest person around. The rest literally live in the ghetto, so I'm the token ******. And not everyone appreciates it.

Anywho, I'm getting back from vacation, and I missed BFFF's birthday while I was gone, but she's going to a party at her College, and I can come along. So I figured I could give her the gift I got for her and all would be well.

Her circle of friends was coming along, too, including said "friend". And everyone (sans me) is dressed up in Pony-garb, since it's an MLP Party. I don't own a single thing MLP related. When questioned on this, I respond honestly. "I'm really not all that into the merchandise or even the show itself. I'm not much of a brony, if at all. I mean, yeah, it's a good show; beats the **** out of Flap Jack and Chowder, and I certainly feel like it's not worth judging in ignorance, but I'm not really a "fan" fan. It's like with my church. I may go to a Christian Church, but I'm still a Messianic Jew. I just feel like we can all still get along, though, right? With that, we're still praying to the same God and same Jesus with lessons about being good people, and with this, Friendship -is- Magic, right? I can hang out with my friend and not like the same things as much..."

This explanation came about because "Friend" was hammering me about it all night. Eventually, in the middle of the party, I just plain ask her why she's still on my case about it, and why I can't simply hang out with my BFFF and her crew. She calls me a faker and says I don't belong here.

BFFF immediately snaps at her for it, but that already skull ****ed the night. I tell "Friend", with what little civility I had left in me, "You can think whatever you want about whatever you want. It won't make it true." before walking off to the bathroom. I come back, and ultimately find that she's been talking about me to the rest of the people at the party behind my back. So I confront her about why she won't leave me alone.

And she goes "It's because you don't actually care about anything, especially BFFF. Your kind just can't. All you want is to put your **** in her. You should go back to where ever you crawled out of." I didn't punch her on reflex and the teachings of those who love me alone. Because otherwise, I'd have broken my arm again on her face. Instead, I tell her how she's so pathetic for not knowing anything about the show she claims to be a fan of. And she splashes me with her drink, before saying I'm pathetic for trying to be something I'm not, and then in a whisper, adding for trying to amount to anything more than my mother's mistake.

I'm fuming at this point, not breaking into tears only because every single ounce of empathy and weakness in my body is doing its level best to keep the rest of me from outright turning violent, and so I just leave. I don't even know what everyone else was doing, beyond a few of -Friend-'s minions laughing with her.

And I haven't talked to BFFF since. I never even gave her the gift I got her for her birthday...

So, my first group outing to actually try to experience this fan base in person, and I get juice thrown on me, insulted, and laughed at. Because Friendship is Magic, right?

Wow. I can't believe that happened. :smalleek::smallfrown: (well not literally, but you know what I mean.)

Anyways here's my advice that comes from no experience of the matter at hand.
I'd get together with your BFFF privately. Give her the present and just have fun for a bit.

If she brings it up then tell your side of the story as honestly as possible.

If she doesn't then I have no idea on what to do.

I doubt that was very helpful, but there you go. Hope everything works out fine for you and your BFFF.

Tiki Snakes

2013-07-13, 05:22 PM

INoKnowNames? Just call your friend. Don't make a big deal out of it, just call her and see how she's doing. If she's your Best Friend, then she's more important surely than the fact that someone she knows acted totally out of line, right?

Aotrs Commander

2013-07-13, 05:33 PM

Guh.

So, spent half the day dismantling my sister's garage (stupid sibling not living in an area where I could cheat and use Maximised Disintegrate or better, pinch an Enrager for five minutes...) and then having a minor panic attack when one of the files I'd been working oh so hard on I'd brought with me didn't open on her computer (meaning 20-odd hours of work to be redone...) and then we had to go to Bampy's again because he had another dizzy spell...

Fortunately, he wasn't as bad as last time (it's probably heat related, it's boiling) and I was able to open and rescue said file on my own primary computer at home.

(Incidently, I apologise if my contributions have not been very pony of late - though I am trying to keep some pony in my posts! - but with all the mindless hours I've been burning lately, I need to vent to someone, and you lot actually are daft enough to put up with me...! And I like to post at least once a day here, force of habit and all that...)

well...watched the new DC nation show
"Beware the Batman"
...interesting

the art style isn't my favorite..but not as gawdawful as the future batman one
looks like they are going in an interesting direction with it, adding some new twists

Funnily enough, I took one look at the trailer and was shocked how dreadful it looked. Considering that it was worse quality than the thirty second trailer the Brave and the Bold did as a parody.

@IKnowNoNames: you're a better person than me1 since I'd have either a) quietly turned on my area - Con Drain and watched her suddenly keel over stone dead without any warning and had a good laugh, turned to the rest of them and said "anyone else?" or b) wound her up by being utterly dimissive and comtemptuous of the worthless bigot vermin she clearly is and informing her of that until she attacked me and then (assuming hitting me didn't cause her to drop dead) simply had her done for assault and carted off to the clink. And then Maximised Disintegrated her as the cop car drove off because I'm Evil and there's no way I'd let something like that stand...

If I might be so bold as to ask, if anyone has a spare five minutes, I'm doing an update to the Scout (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=292335) which I'd like to get some feedback on for any of you 3.5-mechanically inclined.

Right, back to the grind: sort out the Tarrainian Federation, UNSC and Vivrathk fleets before mediation. so I can actually assess whether the PV change has done what I want it to and whether all this effort had actually worked...! And then right it up in the rules and sort the profiles out and *skulldesk*skulldesk*skulldesk* yeah, I'll just go and get started....

1Admittedly, this is not difficult, since I barely qualify as person, and even then by only the loosest definition...

HamHam

2013-07-13, 05:49 PM

I agree completely with this video. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFGh2wUdW-A)

otakuryoga

2013-07-13, 07:01 PM

You don't like the DCAU art style?

if thats what Batman Beyond(that was the one set in future yes?) was...then no..no i do not

but even that would be better than the Wonder Woman short they showed at end of batman...ugh...WAAAAY too stylized..thankfully only got 1/2 of it before DVR cut off
and lets add some pony...just 'cause
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Anarion

2013-07-13, 07:52 PM

This is actually really good and I'm now wondering why no-one in a 19-pony voice acting team didn't so much as send me a link. The Pinkie VA especially nailed it.

Maybe they thought you wouldn't have granted them permission? Which is to say maybe they didn't know you at all or anything about you.

Context on everyone. The BFFF (it's not a gay thing for me to refer to my Best Female Friend (hopefully) Forever as my BFFF, is it?) is my longest standing High School Friend. Her circle of friends, she's known since her lower grade school years, so I'm the outside there, and I'm cool with that.

One of those friends, however, fiercely dislikes me. Probably stems from the fact that the BFFF is Bisexual, the friend is a Lesbian, they've got some tension, and I suppose I'd be lying if there wasn't a hint of UST between myself and BFFF (who was also the girl to give me my first kiss).

It also might have to do with the fact that where I live, and most of the decent places I visit, I'm the blackest person around. The rest literally live in the ghetto, so I'm the token ******. And not everyone appreciates it.

Anywho, I'm getting back from vacation, and I missed BFFF's birthday while I was gone, but she's going to a party at her College, and I can come along. So I figured I could give her the gift I got for her and all would be well.

Her circle of friends was coming along, too, including said "friend". And everyone (sans me) is dressed up in Pony-garb, since it's an MLP Party. I don't own a single thing MLP related. When questioned on this, I respond honestly. "I'm really not all that into the merchandise or even the show itself. I'm not much of a brony, if at all. I mean, yeah, it's a good show; beats the **** out of Flap Jack and Chowder, and I certainly feel like it's not worth judging in ignorance, but I'm not really a "fan" fan. It's like with my church. I may go to a Christian Church, but I'm still a Messianic Jew. I just feel like we can all still get along, though, right? With that, we're still praying to the same God and same Jesus with lessons about being good people, and with this, Friendship -is- Magic, right? I can hang out with my friend and not like the same things as much..."

This explanation came about because "Friend" was hammering me about it all night. Eventually, in the middle of the party, I just plain ask her why she's still on my case about it, and why I can't simply hang out with my BFFF and her crew. She calls me a faker and says I don't belong here.

BFFF immediately snaps at her for it, but that already skull ****ed the night. I tell "Friend", with what little civility I had left in me, "You can think whatever you want about whatever you want. It won't make it true." before walking off to the bathroom. I come back, and ultimately find that she's been talking about me to the rest of the people at the party behind my back. So I confront her about why she won't leave me alone.

And she goes "It's because you don't actually care about anything, especially BFFF. Your kind just can't. All you want is to put your **** in her. You should go back to where ever you crawled out of." I didn't punch her on reflex and the teachings of those who love me alone. Because otherwise, I'd have broken my arm again on her face. Instead, I tell her how she's so pathetic for not knowing anything about the show she claims to be a fan of. And she splashes me with her drink, before saying I'm pathetic for trying to be something I'm not, and then in a whisper, adding for trying to amount to anything more than my mother's mistake.

I'm fuming at this point, not breaking into tears only because every single ounce of empathy and weakness in my body is doing its level best to keep the rest of me from outright turning violent, and so I just leave. I don't even know what everyone else was doing, beyond a few of -Friend-'s minions laughing with her.

And I haven't talked to BFFF since. I never even gave her the gift I got her for her birthday...

So, my first group outing to actually try to experience this fan base in person, and I get juice thrown on me, insulted, and laughed at. Because Friendship is Magic, right?

On an unrelated note, the theme song to Pacific Rim is so awesome. The hype makes it easier to tell this story.

Listen. Listen to the Hype. LISTEN TO THE HYPE! LISTEN TO IT! (http://www.infinitelooper.com/?v=LpuhWD4mjUY&p=n)

INoKnowNames? Just call your friend. Don't make a big deal out of it, just call her and see how she's doing. If she's your Best Friend, then she's more important surely than the fact that someone she knows acted totally out of line, right?

First off, I agree 100% with Tiki Snakes here. You had a terrible experience because one person decided to be elitist for reasons that appear to actually have nothing to do with ponies at all, and you definitely should not lose your best friend over this.

Second, I do have some thoughts about how you present yourself for the future, but I have a request for you. DON'T READ THIS SPOILER UNTIL YOU'VE CALLED YOUR BEST FRIEND.
So, I've been in this thread for a long time and saw how you came into the discussion. I suspect, without having been present at the party, that you explained your "I'm not into the fandom but want to be here" position in a similar way to the your explanations in this very thread. And you may recall that people in this thread jumped on you a bit at that time because we felt that you were kind of putting the fandom down. Now, we're a bit nicer here than someone who obviously had a secondary agenda, but it's worth thinking about why you get that reaction. I think there are two reasons.
1. When you're with a bunch of people who really like something and you say "eh, it's okay but I don't like it" you make all the other people feel bad. Even if you're trying to just say it's not for you, suddenly everyone else becomes self-conscious about their enthusiasm. That's why they spend time trying to push you to like it more, especially when you're sticking out at a group event.
2. Pony fans, enthusiastic though we are, are also a self-conscious bunch. A lot of people that got into this fandom weren't the most social people beforehand and despite everything that's been done there's still an ongoing "you're into this thing for little girls?!" judgment that goes on. If you present as someone who thinks that way, even a little bit, people are going to get defensive.

Since you seem to be in a position where you're hanging out with bronies, it's worth thinking about how you're going to present in the future if you do attend other events so you don't draw unwanted attention to yourself. First off, I'd suggest that less is more. Just tell people that you're there with friends and if they want to gush about a character or something, let them and just nod politely and move on. Second, when you're at an event, I suggest being a little game for trying things. Even if inside you've decided that you're not that into ponies, think about some things you do like and talk about those things (e.g. Fighting is Magic). And if people want to tell you about something that they think is cool, let them show you, rather than dismissing it by saying you're not really into it.

I think that would go a long way towards avoiding harassment.

I agree completely with this video. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFGh2wUdW-A)

It has some problems (EQG spoilers)
Notably, he only watched the last 14 minutes, which totally misses the point. Celestia's lesson at the end isn't about the magical defeat, it's about how Twilight rallied the entire school which forced Sunset Shimmer into her desperation move in the first place. The magical deus ex machina happened because Twilight had already resolved the conflict and united the human versions of her friends to her side. If you look at the whole video rather than the last 14 minutes, I think it teaches the lesson that leadership is about respecting others and uniting them together. In fact, I think that's one of the stronger points of the movie.

thubby

2013-07-13, 07:58 PM

blarg. i missed 3 pages because the sub didnt update!

HamHam

2013-07-13, 08:19 PM

Balmas

2013-07-13, 08:29 PM

Honestly, at first, my gut instinct was to punch said BFFF's friend's teeth out. No, I didn't, and before you get ready to respond and tell me that I'm a monster for thinking of it, please read the spoiler.

Context on everyone. The BFFF (it's not a gay thing for me to refer to my Best Female Friend (hopefully) Forever as my BFFF, is it?) is my longest standing High School Friend. Her circle of friends, she's known since her lower grade school years, so I'm the outside there, and I'm cool with that.

One of those friends, however, fiercely dislikes me. Probably stems from the fact that the BFFF is Bisexual, the friend is a Lesbian, they've got some tension, and I suppose I'd be lying if there wasn't a hint of UST between myself and BFFF (who was also the girl to give me my first kiss).

It also might have to do with the fact that where I live, and most of the decent places I visit, I'm the blackest person around. The rest literally live in the ghetto, so I'm the token ******. And not everyone appreciates it.

Anywho, I'm getting back from vacation, and I missed BFFF's birthday while I was gone, but she's going to a party at her College, and I can come along. So I figured I could give her the gift I got for her and all would be well.

Her circle of friends was coming along, too, including said "friend". And everyone (sans me) is dressed up in Pony-garb, since it's an MLP Party. I don't own a single thing MLP related. When questioned on this, I respond honestly. "I'm really not all that into the merchandise or even the show itself. I'm not much of a brony, if at all. I mean, yeah, it's a good show; beats the **** out of Flap Jack and Chowder, and I certainly feel like it's not worth judging in ignorance, but I'm not really a "fan" fan. It's like with my church. I may go to a Christian Church, but I'm still a Messianic Jew. I just feel like we can all still get along, though, right? With that, we're still praying to the same God and same Jesus with lessons about being good people, and with this, Friendship -is- Magic, right? I can hang out with my friend and not like the same things as much..."

This explanation came about because "Friend" was hammering me about it all night. Eventually, in the middle of the party, I just plain ask her why she's still on my case about it, and why I can't simply hang out with my BFFF and her crew. She calls me a faker and says I don't belong here.

BFFF immediately snaps at her for it, but that already skull ****ed the night. I tell "Friend", with what little civility I had left in me, "You can think whatever you want about whatever you want. It won't make it true." before walking off to the bathroom. I come back, and ultimately find that she's been talking about me to the rest of the people at the party behind my back. So I confront her about why she won't leave me alone.

And she goes "It's because you don't actually care about anything, especially BFFF. Your kind just can't. All you want is to put your **** in her. You should go back to where ever you crawled out of." I didn't punch her on reflex and the teachings of those who love me alone. Because otherwise, I'd have broken my arm again on her face. Instead, I tell her how she's so pathetic for not knowing anything about the show she claims to be a fan of. And she splashes me with her drink, before saying I'm pathetic for trying to be something I'm not, and then in a whisper, adding for trying to amount to anything more than my mother's mistake.

I'm fuming at this point, not breaking into tears only because every single ounce of empathy and weakness in my body is doing its level best to keep the rest of me from outright turning violent, and so I just leave. I don't even know what everyone else was doing, beyond a few of -Friend-'s minions laughing with her.

And I haven't talked to BFFF since. I never even gave her the gift I got her for her birthday...

So, my first group outing to actually try to experience this fan base in person, and I get juice thrown on me, insulted, and laughed at. Because Friendship is Magic, right?

On an unrelated note, the theme song to Pacific Rim is so awesome. The hype makes it easier to tell this story.

Listen. Listen to the Hype. LISTEN TO THE HYPE! LISTEN TO IT! (http://www.infinitelooper.com/?v=LpuhWD4mjUY&p=n)

...

Ouch.

Best advice I can offer is to talk to your BFFF by herself. This 'friend' clearly wasn't.

The next time you see this "Friend", tell them to come to this thread, and read this post I am making Right now.

Have her read the Spoiler Below.
OH GOD THE TEXT HURTS MY EYES

Have a nice day

May I congratulate you on the most ironically delivered rebuke I've yet read in Ponythread?

zimmerwald1915

2013-07-13, 08:45 PM

It has some problems (EQG spoilers)
Notably, he only watched the last 14 minutes, which totally misses the point. Celestia's lesson at the end isn't about the magical defeat, it's about how Twilight rallied the entire school which forced Sunset Shimmer into her desperation move in the first place. The magical deus ex machina happened because Twilight had already resolved the conflict and united the human versions of her friends to her side. If you look at the whole video rather than the last 14 minutes, I think it teaches the lesson that leadership is about respecting others and uniting them together. In fact, I think that's one of the stronger points of the movie.
The way AntonyC presented his argument, especially given the way he referred to Friendship is Magic - part 2, it seemed like he was assailing the entire concept of the Elements of Harmony as a plot device. Which is interesting, because the finale of Equestria Girls is remarkably consistent with the finale of Friendship is Magic. Just as AntonyC does, let's compare Twilight's big speeches:

"But it did! A different kind of spark. I felt it the very moment I realized how happy I was to hear you, to see you, how much I cared about you. The spark ignited inside me when I realized that you all... are my friends! You see, Nightmare Moon, when those Elements are ignited by the... the spark, that resides in the heart of us all, it creates the sixth element: the element of... magic!"

"The magic contained in my Element was able to unite with those that helped create it! [echoing] Honesty! Kindness! Laughter! Generosity! Loyalty! Magic! Together with a crown, they create a power beyond anything you could imagine, and it is a power you don't have the ability to control! The crown may be upon your head, Sunset Shimmer, but you can not wield it, because you do not possess the most powerful magic of all: the magic of friendship!"

Even more interestingly, the Element of Magic might have been the only one Twilight's gambit could have worked on. It was not petrified in the Castle of the Royal Pony Sisters, but materialized prompted by the "spark" within Twilight. It was not dormant like the other Elements, but as Twilight says in both speeches, it was created by them. Would another Element have been able to recognize and react with "those that helped create it" like Magic could? I think not, because they are not created, but are, according to the show, elementary.

As for "respecting others and uniting them together", I think that the film shows us just how far Twilight has come in that respect since The Ticket Master (this comparison has been on my mind since someone re-linked to that blog whose name escapes me). Compare Twilight's concern for equality in justice in that episode with her temperance with respect to differences in the film:

"I can't decide, I just can't decide. It's important to all of you and I just can't stand to disappoint any of you, and giving me gifts and doing me favors won't make any difference, because you're all my friends and I wanna make you all happy and I can't, I just can't!"

"I'm gonna be myself/No matter what I do./And if we're different, yeah,/I want you to be true to you.

"If you follow me,/We'll put our differences aside./We'll stick together/And start working on that school pride!"

Twilight in the episode leveled her friends' needs and tried to serve all equally. Twilight in the film demands of people - just her friends - no more than can give, and gives of herself not just no more than they require, but no more than they have the right to demand. That's a lot to read out of a bit of doggerel, especially compared to fairly clear prose, but I think the principle is there. There is another principle to be ferreted out of the second stanza I quoted: one is oneself most fully not when one is separate from all outside influence (and cliquishness is an attempt to exclude outside influence just as much as isolation is, since cliquishness begets groupthink), but when one is open to other people, and how they can be different and still live and work together.

...so, it seems I've gotten a bit off-topic. Oh well. There wasn't much of a topic to begin with.

Twilight "resolved the conflict" by going "hey... maybe you should actually discuss your problems in person and not just jump off on assumptions from some texts you got"...

And even if I give you that Twilight won becoming prom queen through friendship... as Sunset Shimmer quickly showed, that was not the actual conflict. She just steals the stupid crown. (This why I really liked in Dresden gets Schooled (discussed a couple pages back) that Dresden's solution was to just break in and steal the crown and then pull a gun on SS.) The actual conflict is SS and her sudden demon powers out of nowhere. Which is not solved by them working together because friendship... it's solved by bs magic powers because magitechnobabble.

Which is also an issue in the series itself, but most magic that requires a mental state has this problem. But if you establish clear rules and focus mostly on what's going on with the relationship it can work. This does none of that and straight up breaks the rules we already had.
As I show above, the explanation we got in the film for how the magic worked was almost the same explanation we got in Friendship is Magic - part 2. The only difference was that the other Elements weren't physically present in Equestria Girls...but then, they weren't actually present in Friendship is Magic either, now were they? They'd been smashed to pieces. As Twilight pointed out in that episode, what mattered weren't the artifacts. They could be reconstructed. What mattered was that her friends had created a spark inside her, which created an Element that also was not physically present. So really, when you think about it, the difference is negated. What is different about Equestria Girls was that the Element of Magic was physically present. And it does what the Element of Magic always does: get "sparked" by the other Elements into fixing whatever problem its bearer is faced with.

In the last thread I already addressed the issue of why Twilight didn't steal the crown: she was almost physically paralyzed around Principal Celestia. To imagine stealing from her would have been beyond her. For someone like Harry Dresden, that's not a problem. He doesn't have those personal hangups. But Twilight does, and she's the one we're dealing with. Why doesn't Sunset? As Celestia says, she's had "Vice-Principal Luna put it somewhere for safekeeping". This implies that she doesn't know where it is. If she doesn't, why assume Sunset does?

As for the lesson she gives her friends about communication...well, that's a friendship lesson, now, ain't it, and one that we in this thread - I think we're by and large a group of fairly mature young adults - still have to internalize completely. Being open and earnest with other people isn't always the easiest thing to do, especially if you think they've just hurt you for no reason. It can be easier to just cut yourself off from them because you're hurt or you're ashamed because you think you've disappointed them in some way. I know: I almost flunked out of university because I was afraid of disappointing people. As such, it stings me a little to hear you dismiss it so casually. What's more, the fact that Twilight solves her friends' communication problems as straightforwardly as she does illustrates how essential to the group dynamic she really is.

Rater202

2013-07-13, 09:20 PM

...
May I congratulate you on the most ironically delivered rebuke I've yet read in Ponythread?

*not sure what to make of that*

Balmas

2013-07-13, 09:33 PM

*not sure what to make of that*

Go back, reread your post, and see how well it holds up to the ideals of "love and tolerate."

Anarion

2013-07-13, 09:44 PM

The way AntonyC presented his argument, especially given the way he referred to Friendship is Magic - part 2, it seemed like he was assailing the entire concept of the Elements of Harmony as a plot device. Which is interesting, because the finale of Equestria Girls is remarkably consistent with the finale of Friendship is Magic. Just as AntonyC does, let's compare Twilight's big speeches:

"But it did! A different kind of spark. I felt it the very moment I realized how happy I was to hear you, to see you, how much I cared about you. The spark ignited inside me when I realized that you all... are my friends! You see, Nightmare Moon, when those Elements are ignited by the... the spark, that resides in the heart of us all, it creates the sixth element: the element of... magic!"

"The magic contained in my Element was able to unite with those that helped create it! [echoing] Honesty! Kindness! Laughter! Generosity! Loyalty! Magic! Together with a crown, they create a power beyond anything you could imagine, and it is a power you don't have the ability to control! The crown may be upon your head, Sunset Shimmer, but you can not wield it, because you do not possess the most powerful magic of all: the magic of friendship!"

Even more interestingly, the Element of Magic might have been the only one Twilight's gambit could have worked on. It was not petrified in the Castle of the Royal Pony Sisters, but materialized prompted by the "spark" within Twilight. It was not dormant like the other Elements, but as Twilight says in both speeches, it was created by them. Would another Element have been able to recognize and react with "those that helped create it" like Magic could? I think not, because they are not created, but are, according to the show, elementary.

As for "respecting others and uniting them together", I think that the film shows us just how far Twilight has come in that respect since The Ticket Master (this comparison has been on my mind since someone re-linked to that blog whose name escapes me). Compare Twilight's concern for equality in justice in that episode with her temperance with respect to differences in the film:

"I can't decide, I just can't decide. It's important to all of you and I just can't stand to disappoint any of you, and giving me gifts and doing me favors won't make any difference, because you're all my friends and I wanna make you all happy and I can't, I just can't!"

"I'm gonna be myself/No matter what I do./And if we're different, yeah,/I want you to be true to you.

"If you follow me,/We'll put our differences aside./We'll stick together/And start working on that school pride!"

Twilight in the episode leveled her friends' needs and tried to serve all equally. Twilight in the film demands of people - just her friends - no more than can give, and gives of herself not just no more than they require, but no more than they have the right to demand. That's a lot to read out of a bit of doggerel, especially compared to fairly clear prose, but I think the principle is there. There is another principle to be ferreted out of the second stanza I quoted: one is oneself most fully not when one is separate from all outside influence (and cliquishness is an attempt to exclude outside influence just as much as isolation is, since cliquishness begets groupthink), but when one is open to other people, and how they can be different and still live and work together.

...so, it seems I've gotten a bit off-topic. Oh well. There wasn't much of a topic to begin with.

To the extent that the review criticizes the Elements of Harmony in general, there is some point to that. MLP is a show where if you solve your personal problems and stand united with your buddies, you get rewarded for it with magical lasers that solve your problems. There isn't exactly a direct parallel to that in reality, and I don't think you can watch the show and conclude that if you just solve your problem of the week, everything will magically work out for you.

However, the Elements of Harmony are also a metaphor and I think they work metaphorically. They're the flashy magic that wraps up major plots and serve that purpose. But every plot wrapped up by the elements first taught a lesson about making friends. The series pilot was about getting out and meeting people, not just sitting at home and studying. Discord was about remembering why you're friends, even when things are tough and they're making you upset.
EQG
EQG was about communicating with people, not making assumptions about them. And it was also about being a leader and how to unite people by making them feel worthwhile and respected.

The lessons that are required to activate the Elements of Harmony are good ones and I think it's a mistake to dismiss them because the show closes itself out with a magical deus ex machina.

Rater202

2013-07-13, 09:47 PM

Go back, reread your post, and see how well it holds up to the ideals of "love and tolerate."

Yes, I suppose that makes me a hypocrite, but I have been through something similar to what happened to him (Being belittled by "Friends") and when I hear about other people going through the same or similar experiences, It Pisses Me Off. So when I read about someone going through a much worse version of something I went through, at the hands of someone claiming to belong to a group that prides itself on being Loving and Tolerating, it pushes pretty much all of my Berserk Buttons in one go

I am going to stop now, because if I continue I will probably violate several rules in my ranting. I hope you understand

zimmerwald1915

2013-07-13, 09:56 PM

The lessons that are required to activate the Elements of Harmony are good ones and I think it's a mistake to dismiss them because the show closes itself out with a magical deus ex machina.
So do I. I would even go so far as to say that, at this point, the Elements are not a deus ex machina, because they behave consistently across their appearances from Friendship is Magic part 2 through Equestria Girls. I do not think Equestria Girls has done some kind of disservice to the Elements the way AntonyC seems to, making them a deus ex machina, but rather the reverse.

MLai

2013-07-13, 09:58 PM

Twilight "resolved the conflict" by going "hey... maybe you should actually discuss your problems in person and not just jump off on assumptions from some texts you got". And then horrible musical number.

And even if I give you that Twilight won becoming prom queen through friendship... as Sunset Shimmer quickly showed, that was not the actual conflict. She just steals the stupid crown. (This why I really liked in Dresden gets Schooled (discussed a couple pages back) that Dresden's solution was to just break in and steal the crown and then pull a gun on SS.) The actual conflict is SS and her sudden demon powers out of nowhere. Which is not solved by them working together because friendship... it's solved by bs magic powers because magitechnobabble.

Which is also an issue in the series itself, but most magic that requires a mental state has this problem. But if you establish clear rules and focus mostly on what's going on with the relationship it can work. This does none of that and straight up breaks the rules we already had.
(1) The musical numbers were not horrible.
(2) The "actual conflict" that both you and SS had in mind is not the main point of the movie. This is not a shonen movie about the climactic final fight. The point of the movie was everything that happened beforehand, that you dismissed with a "Yeah I'll give you that but." Both Twi and Principal Tia were more impressed that Twi healed the school, than winning the battle vs a winged demon.
(3) A gun? I don't know what the Dresden fanfic is about. But if that's what you're impressed by, then you're nitpicking the forest for the trees in your effort of trying to dislike the movie.

OracleofWuffing

2013-07-13, 10:02 PM

-ness, -hood, -dom, and -ship are noun endings that can be used in a way similar to -ity. Of "ponyness", "ponyhood", "ponydom", and "ponyship", I would favor "ponydom" for one reason: it appears in the show. Celestia "harnessed the most powerful magic known to ponydom" in order to battle Nightmare Moon. Replace "ponydom" in that sentence with "humanity", and it scans. Granted, the word in that context refers to the collective of ponies/humans rather than the quality or state of being a pony/human, but there's nothing to suggest it has to only refer to that, particularly as "humanity" can refer to both.
Of those, ponyhood sounds the best to me, but it still kind of goes against my grain. Just, as a stylistic thing, I don't like forcing pony into an omnipresent prefex in something I'm thinking of, even if it would make etymological sense in the context.

Equinity? I think that actually sounds okay
That's the right sort of line I'm going for, but my head's still not fitting it. I mean, she's still an equine, just an uncivilized one, like a barbarian or something. Maybe it's just something my head will never be satisfied with because I overthink everything. Her Intelligence, maybe? Well, she's not stupid, but like the D&D 3.5 Intelligence as opposed to Wisdom.

Rater202

2013-07-13, 10:04 PM

(1) The musical numbers were not horrible.
(2) The "actual conflict" that both you and SS had in mind is not the main point of the movie. This is not a shonen movie about the climactic final fight. The point of the movie was everything that happened beforehand, that you dismissed with a "Yeah I'll give you that but." Both Twi and Principal Tia were more impressed that Twi healed the school, than winning the battle vs a winged demon.
(3) A gun? I don't know what the Dresden fanfic is about. But if that's what you're impressed by, then you're nitpicking the forest for the trees in your effort of trying to dislike the movie.

The dresden Fanfic is a Sequel to my little denarians. The gist of it is that Harry was invited to the Party in the crystal empire, and that he goes through the mirror instead of twilight.

the bit with him pulling a gun on sunset is more about him explaining to her that the Road she is going on will result in her either being killed, or ending up in Celestia's statue collection, she my review on the previous page for details.

Forum Explorer

2013-07-13, 10:04 PM

Did you read Dresden gets Schooled yet?

No not yet. But I have a good reason! I still haven't read Cold Days because bookstores keep kicking me out before I can finish it and I don't want to get any spoilers for it.

Rater202

2013-07-13, 10:08 PM

No not yet. But I have a good reason! I still haven't read Cold Days because bookstores keep kicking me out before I can finish it and I don't want to get any spoilers for it.

it takes place after Cold days, but really what happened in the Book is much diferant that what happens here (For one, no parasite)

Have you gotten to the part where we find out what Demonreach really is?

Cause that is really the only thing that gets spoiled.

Well, that and something that happened to Molly at the end that is not good, but not bad either, but it's incredibly Vague about what happened so no worries about that.

zimmerwald1915

2013-07-13, 10:10 PM

Of those, ponyhood sounds the best to me, but it still kind of goes against my grain. Just, as a stylistic thing, I don't like forcing pony into an omnipresent prefex in something I'm thinking of, even if it would make etymological sense in the context.
Okay, then how about referring back to their tribe? "Earthiness", "Pegasushood" and "Unicornity" ring well in my ears, not sure about yours.

(1) The musical numbers were not horrible.
Eh, you'll never convince some people. The standards by which things are judged are just different. Ugh. :smalltongue:

Forum Explorer

2013-07-13, 10:30 PM

I do know what Demonreach is. I'm still a little nervous about reading on though. And it's not like it's going to disappear right? I'll get to it later.

HamHam

2013-07-13, 10:37 PM

As I show above, the explanation we got in the film for how the magic worked was almost the same explanation we got in Friendship is Magic - part 2. The only difference was that the other Elements weren't physically present in Equestria Girls...but then, they weren't actually present in Friendship is Magic either, now were they? They'd been smashed to pieces. As Twilight pointed out in that episode, what mattered weren't the artifacts. They could be reconstructed. What mattered was that her friends had created a spark inside her, which created an Element that also was not physically present. So really, when you think about it, the difference is negated. What is different about Equestria Girls was that the Element of Magic was physically present. And it does what the Element of Magic always does: get "sparked" by the other Elements into fixing whatever problem its bearer is faced with.

Then why do they need to run off and get the jewelry every other time they need to use the elements? Why does Celestia claim Equestria is in any danger when by this logic Twilight just needs to believe in her friends and shiny new tiara will pop out of the ether when they need it. Only one of these things can be true. You can't have it be both ways. Either this, Return of Harmony, and that bit in the wedding were all pointless, or the elements do need to be physically present and the fact that somehow the elements triggered when the other five where in a completely different dimension is bull.

As for the lesson she gives her friends about communication...well, that's a friendship lesson, now, ain't it, and one that we in this thread - I think we're by and large a group of fairly mature young adults - still have to internalize completely. Being open and earnest with other people isn't always the easiest thing to do, especially if you think they've just hurt you for no reason. It can be easier to just cut yourself off from them because you're hurt or you're ashamed because you think you've disappointed them in some way. I know: I almost flunked out of university because I was afraid of disappointing people. As such, it stings me a little to hear you dismiss it so casually. What's more, the fact that Twilight solves her friends' communication problems as straightforwardly as she does illustrates how essential to the group dynamic she really is.

It is practically the only thing she actually does in the whole movie and it is presented and solved in the same scene. That's terrible writing.

However, the Elements of Harmony are also a metaphor and I think they work metaphorically.

The metaphor has to be about something. Which is what something like the pilot has over EQG. The journey in the pilot is significant enough and getting through it is what gives them the power. It all more or less hangs together.

The "journey" in EQG is pathetic even by high school shenanigan movie standards.

(2) The "actual conflict" that both you and SS had in mind is not the main point of the movie. This is not a shonen movie about the climactic final fight. The point of the movie was everything that happened beforehand, that you dismissed with a "Yeah I'll give you that but." Both Twi and Principal Tia were more impressed that Twi healed the school, than winning the battle vs a winged demon.

Twilight healed the school in the musical equivalent of writing "And then Twilight healed the school."

We talked a little about musicals and the validity there of, and this is a rather perfect example of how not use a musical number. It skips to the conclusion without actually going through any of the work. We go through this whole set up with the cliques and stuff and it basically goes nowhere. We get all the cliched "oh look they are working together now" scenes during the number in the gym but the movie completely skips any explanation for why other than "hot chics are singing and stuff so I guess we'll join in!". If you want to do this right you need to have Twilight go around and get with each of the cliques and convince them. You can even do that during the lunchroom song by giving it some actual verses and things.

the bit with him pulling a gun on sunset is more about him explaining to her that the Road she is going on will result in her either being killed, or ending up in Celestia's statue collection, she my review on the previous page for details.

No, see, it's brilliant because SS in one of the better moments of the movie pulls a genre defying "Wooh, you won the election or whatever. ?Yeah yeah friendship or whatever... I have a sledgehammer. Sledgehammer beats friendship."

But Dresden out genre breaks her and is just like "Gun beats sledgehammer."

Humble Master

2013-07-13, 10:40 PM

Rater202

2013-07-13, 10:45 PM

I do know what Demonreach is. I'm still a little nervous about reading on though. And it's not like it's going to disappear right? I'll get to it later.

The Island the Denarians were on in Small favor?

harry summoned its Spirit and bound itself to him as a familiar so he could claim the Island as a Sanctum during Turn Coat. When he did so, he named it Demonreach.

When Harry was Mostly Dead during Ghost story, we learn at the end that Mab had his body perforated with Vines that are pumping nutrients into his body to keep him alive. That Was Demonreach, keeping Harry's Body Nourished, because it Likes Harry (it really appreciates having a name.)

With out giving too much away, lets just say that it is really good that Nicodemus or one of the other Denarians did not take the Island as a Sanctum during Small favor.

I almost Pissed myself in Shock when I learned what it really was.Ignore this, I misread your comment.

But really after that there are no major spoilers.

OracleofWuffing

2013-07-13, 10:46 PM

Okay, then how about referring back to their tribe? "Earthiness", "Pegasushood" and "Unicornity" ring well in my ears, not sure about yours.
My fault for not bringing it up earlier- I didn't think it'd be a thing- but this is an alternate upside-down backwards dimension where everypony is an earth pony until their cutie-mark-equivalent says otherwise (if it says otherwise, some ponies stay ponies).

Rater202

2013-07-13, 10:47 PM

No, see, it's brilliant because SS in one of the better moments of the movie pulls a genre defying "Wooh, you won the election or whatever. ?Yeah yeah friendship or whatever... I have a sledgehammer. Sledgehammer beats friendship."

But Dresden out genre breaks her and is just like "Gun beats sledgehammer."

Yes, thats true, but it is also what I said it was. It works on Several levels

Soras Teva Gee

2013-07-13, 11:10 PM

Everypony that's seen Baccano needs to watch this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elCj-Y97neI).

Everypony that hasn't seen Baccano needs to solve that problem.

Also Books=Explosions, the Moon=the East River, and never ever mess with Pinkie Pie.

zimmerwald1915

2013-07-13, 11:12 PM

Then why do they need to run off and get the jewelry every other time they need to use the elements? Why does Celestia claim Equestria is in any danger when by this logic Twilight just needs to believe in her friends and shiny new tiara will pop out of the ether when they need it. Only one of these things can be true. You can't have it be both ways. Either this, Return of Harmony, and that bit in the wedding were all pointless, or the elements do need to be physically present and the fact that somehow the elements triggered when the other five where in a completely different dimension is bull.
Note the importance of the Element of Magic. In Friendship is Magic the other Elements are present, create it, and then act in concert with it. In Return of Harmony, it and the other Elements are present, and the others work in concert with it...but only once they are there not just in form, but in spirit. In Keep Calm and Flutter On, it and the other Elements are present, and the others work in concert with it. In Equestria Girls, it is present, the other Elements are present in spirit (the same way they were in Friendship is Magic after they were shattered), and they act in concert with it. What is important is not that the Elements are all physically present. The important thing is the state of the Element of Magic: either it hasn't incarnated yet, in which case the other Elements create it, or it has, in which case it needs to be present for the other Elements to spark it. This begs the question of how the Element of Magic got un-incarnated in the first place, but I don't think that's actually important.

Spirit is important here. If it weren't, if all that was required was the physical presence of the Elements, then Twilight's plan for defeating Discord by slapping the Elements on the grayed-out Mane Six (minus Rainbow Dash) and Spike would have worked. It didn't, even though Discord feared it might.

The metaphor has to be about something. Which is what something like the pilot has over EQG. The journey in the pilot is significant enough and getting through it is what gives them the power. It all more or less hangs together.

The "journey" in EQG is pathetic even by high school shenanigan movie standards.
So you prefer the mythic technique of externalizing human fears and problems, and making them monstrous, than the technique that presents problems as internal to the people facing them.

If you want to do this right you need to have Twilight go around and get with each of the cliques and convince them. You can even do that during the lunchroom song by giving it some actual verses and things.
That work is done in Equestria Girls (to give the song its name) by the visuals, which show the Humane Six (minus Twilight) sitting among different cliques1 then coming together in space. They then need to get people's attention by physically grabbing them away from their phones, noodlings, and other pursuits. Pinkie, as ever, is particularly attention-getting, shouting in people's faces with bullhorns and manhandling them. The first two verses are all about getting these people out of their comfort zones. That is accomplished with the usual pony slapstick, which obviously wouldn't fly in the real world, but the point is clear.

Then we come to Twilight's verse, which is specifically about embracing their differences and coming together in spite of them. That one line "and if we're different, yeah, I want you to be true to you" does a lot of work. In it simultaneously Twilight claiming her oafish behavior from Sunset Shimmer's video, refusing to apologize for it, pointing out that they're all different, and asserting that there are circumstances - like this one - where that doesn't actually matter all that much.

1Specifically, Rainbow sits with the atheletes, Rarity with the fashionistas, Fluttershy with the eco kids, and Applejack with her brother, sister, and Scootaloo (presumably Sweetie Belle is somewhere off frame). Pinkie's original seat isn't shown. Who these people are was established in the earlier scene with Twilight and Fluttershy, so we are meant to know these are groups that do not intermix.

HamHam

2013-07-13, 11:26 PM

Everypony that's seen Baccano needs to watch this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elCj-Y97neI).

At first I was like "this is awesome"

And then Bloomberg got a title card and I was all like ROFL

And then Flutters got credited as Jacuzzi Splot and I friggin lost it.

Also Books=Explosions, the Moon=the East River, and never ever mess with Pinkie Pie.

OMG I tossed it into a youtube doubler and just got that.

Also Rarity and Opal. And Spike and Bloomberg are... well...

Then we come to Twilight's verse, which is specifically about embracing their differences and coming together in spite of them. That one line "and if we're different, yeah, I want you to be true to you" does a lot of work. In it simultaneously Twilight claiming her oafish behavior from Sunset Shimmer's video, refusing to apologize for it, pointing out that they're all different, and asserting that there are circumstances - like this one - where that doesn't actually matter all that much.

Just saying "we're different but we're really all the same!" is not a convincing argument. Rewrite it as a speech and get rid of all the musical shinies being thrown around to distract you and it's clearly devoid of actual substance.

MLai

2013-07-14, 12:04 AM

[SPOILER]We talked a little about musicals and the validity there of, and this is a rather perfect example of how not use a musical number. It skips to the conclusion without actually going through any of the work. We go through this whole set up with the cliques and stuff and it basically goes nowhere. We get all the cliched "oh look they are working together now" scenes during the number in the gym but the movie completely skips any explanation for why other than "hot chics are singing and stuff so I guess we'll join in!".
I don't have a problem with hot chicks leading by example. Students see beautiful ppl of previously exclusivist in-crowds, who are now not stuck-up or cliquish, banding together for the good of the school, and decides to join in.
Yes it's in shorthand; it's a short MLP movie.

Just saying "we're different but we're really all the same!" is not a convincing argument. Rewrite it as a speech and get rid of all the musical shinies being thrown around to distract you and it's clearly devoid of actual substance.
I'm sorry but, are we still watching a 65-mins musical movie here?
Maybe you need a dose of Lincoln, for all your real-world-vs-idealism needs. I really liked that movie; watched it recently.

zimmerwald1915

2013-07-14, 12:30 AM

Just saying "we're different but we're really all the same!" is not a convincing argument. Rewrite it as a speech and get rid of all the musical shinies being thrown around to distract you and it's clearly devoid of actual substance.
Thing is, there is a speech right before the musical number. It belongs to Rarity:

"I'VE GOT IT! Ahem. I mean, um, perhaps I have a solution. Now this may be an absolutely preposterous idea, but what if we all wore these as a sign of unity? Freshman year, they were very, very popular. A way for everybody to show their school spirit! You know? "Go, Canterlot Wondercolts!" Ahem. I haven't sold any in ages. I mean, the five of us are obviously very different, but deep down, we're all Canterlot Wondercolts! Sunset Shimmer is the one who divided us, Twilight Sparkle is the one who united us. And we're gonna let everyone know it! What do you think?"

The emboldened bit is the plan in a nutshell. For the Humane Six (minus Twilight), what they are singing is actually very personal. It's not just "we're different, but we're really all the same", it's "we ourselves thought we were too different to be friends, but we were wrong. We needed to be shown another way to live our lives, and we're better for having been shown it. Follow our example, and the example of our exemplar." Similarly, when Twilight is talking about herself, she makes no apologies for who and what she is, but claims herself with pride. She's saying "all that guff Sunset's spreading about 'someone like this,' pay no attention to it. Believe what you see and know to be true." Which might seem obvious, but that is something people at some point in their lives need to learn. It was a philosophical revelation some three thousand years ago.

The contrast in presentation between the two campaigns is also striking. Sunset operates in the shadows, her video was cobbled together from hidden-camera[man] footage, and I'm pretty sure she posted it anonymously, though the narration was obviously in her voice. On the other hand, Twilight is overt, upfront, and earnest, deliberately pushing people out of their comfort zone and making the campaign as much about the voters as much as it is about her or her opponent. I don't believe she ever mentions Sunset Shimmer at all except when talking to her friends.

Forum Explorer

2013-07-14, 12:56 AM

Thing is, there is a speech right before the musical number. It belongs to Rarity:

"I'VE GOT IT! Ahem. I mean, um, perhaps I have a solution. Now this may be an absolutely preposterous idea, but what if we all wore these as a sign of unity? Freshman year, they were very, very popular. A way for everybody to show their school spirit! You know? "Go, Canterlot Wondercolts!" Ahem. I haven't sold any in ages. I mean, the five of us are obviously very different, but deep down, we're all Canterlot Wondercolts! Sunset Shimmer is the one who divided us, Twilight Sparkle is the one who united us. And we're gonna let everyone know it! What do you think?"

The emboldened bit is the plan in a nutshell. For the Humane Six (minus Twilight), what they are singing is actually very personal. It's not just "we're different, but we're really all the same", it's "we ourselves thought we were too different to be friends, but we were wrong. We needed to be shown another way to live our lives, and we're better for having been shown it. Follow our example, and the example of our exemplar." Similarly, when Twilight is talking about herself, she makes no apologies for who and what she is, but claims herself with pride. She's saying "all that guff Sunset's spreading about 'someone like this,' pay no attention to it. Believe what you see and know to be true." Which might seem obvious, but that is something people at some point in their lives need to learn. It was a philosophical revelation some three thousand years ago.

The contrast in presentation between the two campaigns is also striking. Sunset operates in the shadows, her video was cobbled together from hidden-camera[man] footage, and I'm pretty sure she posted it anonymously, though the narration was obviously in her voice. On the other hand, Twilight is overt, upfront, and earnest, deliberately pushing people out of their comfort zone and making the campaign as much about the voters as much as it is about her or her opponent. I don't believe she ever mentions Sunset Shimmer at all except when talking to her friends.

This is a pretty big nitpick but can I just say that I find that name retarded?
Canterlot Wondercolts is so bad it doesn't even make me smile at how bad it is. It's just plain horrible. It doesn't even follow an alliterative pattern!

t209

2013-07-14, 01:11 AM

I hereby declare Luna to be best troll.

http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2013/193/7/1/big_news_by_pony_berserker-d6d628q.png
Remind me of (Spoiler from Chinatown the movie)
How the woman's sister is her daughter, conceived by her father.
And Jack Nicholson's parents are his grandparents and sister is his mother.

Rater202

2013-07-14, 01:17 AM

Remind me of (Spoiler from Chinatown the movie)
How the woman's sister is her daughter, conceived by her father.
And Jack Nicholson's parents are his grandparents and sister is his mother.

that's not a spoiler everyone who has heard of the movie, even if they haven't seen it, knows that.

It like not knowing that Soylent Green is made of people, or that Darth Vader is Luke Skywalker's father father, Or that rosebud is the name of a Sled.

Apologies if i seem rude, it is not my intention.

Anarion

2013-07-14, 01:38 AM

Just saying "we're different but we're really all the same!" is not a convincing argument. Rewrite it as a speech and get rid of all the musical shinies being thrown around to distract you and it's clearly devoid of actual substance.

Zimmerwald gave you a long answer, and I'm going to give a short one. What you're doing, it's like going to a Thai restaurant and complaining that they don't serve you spaghetti. You want a completely different movie than the one they made and you're dismissing its good points because they fail to conform to your ideal.

This is a pretty big nitpick but can I just say that I find that name retarded?
Canterlot Wondercolts is so bad it doesn't even make me smile at how bad it is. It's just plain horrible. It doesn't even follow an alliterative pattern!

Really?
Canterlot Wondercolts is an obvious play on wonderbolts while justifying the horse theme in a world that isn't made entirely of horses. It gets them to put on ears and tails. I honestly thought that was quite witty given that they needed to do a horse joke and made a wonderbolts call out.

Thanqol

2013-07-14, 01:38 AM

Aw goddamn, Yours Truly even got a theme song (https://soundcloud.com/quietwatermusic/waiting-for-a-letter).

Anarion

2013-07-14, 01:41 AM

Aw goddamn, Yours Truly even got a theme song (https://soundcloud.com/quietwatermusic/waiting-for-a-letter).

You know what? You should make/get made an animation to go with that.

zimmerwald1915

2013-07-14, 01:44 AM

Aw goddamn, Yours Truly even got a theme song (https://soundcloud.com/quietwatermusic/waiting-for-a-letter).
What you have there, good fellow, is a leitmotif. Cherish it.

HamHam

2013-07-14, 02:09 AM

I'm sorry but, are we still watching a 65-mins musical movie here?
Maybe you need a dose of Lincoln, for all your real-world-vs-idealism needs. I really liked that movie; watched it recently.

1) Is it really that short? That's ridiculous for something that got a theatrical release. Freakin Cars 2 was an hour and a half.

2) Ballad of the Crystal Ponies is shorter but has twice the plot.

Twilight Sparkle is the one who united us. And we're gonna let everyone know it!

Except she didn't. They were already united. And then they broke up. Because they never thought to check the actual number they were getting texts from (how do you even do that on a smartphone, it should be tagged with a name from your contacts (or does SS have magic phone hacking powers now?)).

If the five of them weren't friends because they had ghettoized themselves within their respective cliques and Twilight had to bridge that gap knowing that they could be friends because she had seen it before... that would be an actual story with quite a bit of potential.

"we ourselves thought we were too different to be friends, but we were wrong.

They didn't ever think that. They were pissed off with each other over perceived slights that never happened.

Similarly, when Twilight is talking about herself, she makes no apologies for who and what she is, but claims herself with pride. She's saying "all that guff Sunset's spreading about 'someone like this,' pay no attention to it. Believe what you see and know to be true." Which might seem obvious, but that is something people at some point in their lives need to learn. It was a philosophical revelation some three thousand years ago.

That's not really an argument for electing you as much as it is for not not electing you.

Zimmerwald gave you a long answer, and I'm going to give a short one. What you're doing, it's like going to a Thai restaurant and complaining that they don't serve you spaghetti. You want a completely different movie than the one they made and you're dismissing its good points because they fail to conform to your ideal.

This didn't have to be An American Tail but I don't think it's unreasonable to expect something on the level of the Buffy musical episode or Mayhem of the Music Meister!; instead they hit somewhere around the Land Before Time sequels or direct to video Disney sequels.

Forum Explorer

2013-07-14, 02:14 AM

Really?
Canterlot Wondercolts is an obvious play on wonderbolts while justifying the horse theme in a world that isn't made entirely of horses. It gets them to put on ears and tails. I honestly thought that was quite witty given that they needed to do a horse joke and made a wonderbolts call out.

It just sounds stupid. Yes this is incredibly petty to be bothered by but they seriously should have just gone with Wonderbolts. It's a pony reference that pretty much the entire audience would get, it makes sense, and it doesn't sound awful!

If they really had to have them wearing ears and tails then they should have gone with the Canterlot Calvary. Or just had the Wonderbolts mascot be an actual pony. Which would have been amusing in it's own right, I think.

Madcrafter

2013-07-14, 02:15 AM

Still banging my head over the crowd's reaction. The fact that I have been playing a lot of StarCraft isn't helping. Keep hearing "MY LIFE FOR AIUR!" and "WHAT BATTLE CALLS?" in my head.

Also, I haven't seen Equestria Girls but it is on Netflix DVDs. Would any of you recommend it?

The answer is to have the crowd fanatically go into battle against Midnight and Co. "MY LIFE FOR TWILIGHT!"

As of EqG, most people seemed to enjoy it, despite it's flaws (see ongoing discussions). If you already have the Netflix dvd thing (I didn't know they even still did that) you might as well, or you could just wait for it to come out on tv in the fall.

t209

2013-07-14, 02:20 AM

http://csimadmax.deviantart.com/art/Pokemans-Diamond-Memories-385015502
So can you do it in older games like Emerald, Sapphire, or Ruby (especially legendary creatures) and older games?

HamHam

2013-07-14, 02:24 AM

Best I can tell the EQG dvd doesn't come out till the beginning of August.

OracleofWuffing

2013-07-14, 02:29 AM

http://csimadmax.deviantart.com/art/Pokemans-Diamond-Memories-385015502
So can you do it in older games like Emerald, Sapphire, or Ruby (especially legendary creatures) and older games?
Yes and no. Ditto has always been breedable with any breedable pokemon, including those without genders, with the offspring being the non-Ditto's species (this goes back to the original Gold and Silver). However, legendary pokemon and Ditto cannot breed with Ditto (exclusing Manaphy, but that results in a Phione offspring). That's basically the joke, Keldeo can't breed.

Thanqol

2013-07-14, 02:36 AM

What you have there, good fellow, is a leitmotif. Cherish it.

You better believe I will.

MLai

2013-07-14, 05:12 AM

You better believe I will.
Wow, so those guys/gals went ahead and did an extensive 2-hrs-long audio drama + outro music, all behind your back. What a pleasant but also awkward surprise.

If the five of them weren't friends because they had ghettoized themselves within their respective cliques and Twilight had to bridge that gap knowing that they could be friends because she had seen it before... that would be an actual story with quite a bit of potential.
This didn't have to be An American Tail but I don't think it's unreasonable to expect something on the level of the Buffy musical episode or Mayhem of the Music Meister!; instead they hit somewhere around the Land Before Time sequels or direct to video Disney sequels.
The process of Twi rallying the other 5 together, starting from meeting Fluttershy to everyone going out on the field to Rainbowdash, took a significant chunk of the movie. It's disingenuous to say that the movie skipped through it or Twi didn't work hard enough for it to happen.
Everything Twi did to facilitate the process along, you dismiss as easy or gratuitous, when in fact it wasn't. It's not easy to stand up to a bully when you're in a new place and completely alone. It's not easy to refrain from choosing sides and being judgemental when ppl who are all your friends start arguing with each other.

[spoiler]
It just sounds stupid. Yes this is incredibly petty to be bothered by but they seriously should have just gone with Wonderbolts.
(1) I don't see how it sounds stupid when compared to the names of all other school teams out there.
(2) No it should not have just been "Wonderbolts;" the name "Wonderbolts" itself derives from being similar to Wondercolts, but ponies ofc wouldn't just use "colts" but instead morphed it to "bolts."

Kd7sov

2013-07-14, 06:02 AM

(2) No it should not have just been "Wonderbolts;" the name "Wonderbolts" itself derives from being similar to Wondercolts, but ponies ofc wouldn't just use "colts" but instead morphed it to "bolts."

... ... What?

I'm afraid I have no idea where you're getting this. "Wondercolts" is a term I'd never heard before watching EqG, whereas there is a perfectly plausible and common word that seems a much more likely source for the "Wonderbolt" name: "Thunderbolts".

Aotrs Commander

2013-07-14, 06:13 AM

http://csimadmax.deviantart.com/art/Pokemans-Diamond-Memories-385015502

Bwahahahahahahahahaha!

BlasTech

2013-07-14, 07:05 AM

Sheesh, whole new thread and I can't think of anything to say.

IKnowNoNames! Good to see you again. Sorry to hear about that incident though. My only advice is similar to Anarion's in that you should speak to your BFFF again when you have the chance.

Still banging my head over the crowd's reaction. The fact that I have been playing a lot of StarCraft isn't helping. Keep hearing "MY LIFE FOR AIUR!" and "WHAT BATTLE CALLS?" in my head.

Also, I haven't seen Equestria Girls but it is on Netflix DVDs. Would any of you recommend it?

Nah, you probably wouldn't like it. Only watch it if you want to understand what the heck we're all talking about in the myriad of spoiler boxes :smalltongue:

MLai

2013-07-14, 07:14 AM

... ... What?
I'm afraid I have no idea where you're getting this. "Wondercolts" is a term I'd never heard before watching EqG, whereas there is a perfectly plausible and common word that seems a much more likely source for the "Wonderbolt" name: "Thunderbolts".
It is obvious how the name Wonderbolts came about:

"Wonderbolts sound like thunderbolts!"
"And bolts rhymes with colts!"
"Well, they're ponies. Ponies aren't going to use pony names on themselves. But that's good that it rhymes anyways!"

My point was "Wondercolts" isn't stupid insofar as it was probably part of the equation when the name "Wonderbolts" was originally conceived.

DigoDragon

2013-07-14, 08:49 AM

By the way, did I mention that I can walk again? Because I'm totally no longer a cripple

I had forgotten that you were temporarily crippled. Well let's get our groove on and celebrate!
http://i1186.photobucket.com/albums/z378/mzlapq0192/pony_dance_gif_by_gibsonflyingv-d4ia62q.gif

As for the BFFF story thing, I'd probably go with Forum Explorer's original thought of just getting with your BFFF and spend some time with her to clear the air and just enjoy the company.
Don't let one bad apple spoil the fun for you.

You know, I'm not sure it would really matter if Shimmer's plan would work or was any good. If we assume Celestia was serious when she sending just six people through the portal was too dangerous and risked upsetting the balance or something like that, I imagine sending hundreds/thousands would probably create some giant explosion that kills everyone on both sides.

EqGirls
I was thinking it was just to prevent everyone from meeting their doubles and causing a school-wide "WTF" moment. Or a series of them. Heck, maybe two Pinkies in one dimension causes the explosion. :smallbiggrin:

It has some problems (EQG spoilers)
Notably, he only watched the last 14 minutes, which totally misses the point. Celestia's lesson at the end isn't about the magical defeat, it's about how Twilight rallied the entire school which forced Sunset Shimmer into her desperation move in the first place. The magical deus ex machina happened because Twilight had already resolved the conflict and united the human versions of her friends to her side. If you look at the whole video rather than the last 14 minutes, I think it teaches the lesson that leadership is about respecting others and uniting them together. In fact, I think that's one of the stronger points of the movie.

EqGirls
I agree, I think the takeaway here is about the leadership that Twi learns from the experience of uniting everyone by inspiring the various groups to work together fixing the gym. That's my interpretation.

Also, I believe the "OFC" works with just the crown because Twi said it herself in the second episode of season 1~ the magic of friendship lies in the friends. The necklaces won't work without that "spark that resides in us all" (And as already pointed out, were technically smashed moments earlier by NMM). My interpretation is that the necklaces are a focus for the magic to be easily used, but aren't necessary if your friends are united in an absolute cause.

DigoDragon

2013-07-14, 08:58 AM

Also, I haven't seen Equestria Girls but it is on Netflix DVDs. Would any of you recommend it?

I think it was good.

Everypony that hasn't seen Baccano needs to solve that problem.

Not sure if it's my kind of thing. Actually, I'm not sure what kind of thing it's supposed to be. :smallbiggrin: I guess if I see it on Netflix, I'll watch it for myself and decide.

What you have there, good fellow, is a leitmotif. Cherish it.

I know I'm jelly-ing-ish-whatever. :smalltongue:

OracleofWuffing

2013-07-14, 11:01 AM

I was thinking it was just to prevent everyone from meeting their doubles and causing a school-wide "WTF" moment. Or a series of them. Heck, maybe two Pinkies in one dimension causes the explosion. :smallbiggrin:
I have not seen Equestria Girls so I don't know exactly what the storyline point is, but I wanna say it.

http://i.imgur.com/p0HjG.png And into her own reflection she stared, uh, yearning for one whose reflection she shared, and solemnly sweared not to be scared, at the prospect of being doubly mared!

HamHam

2013-07-14, 11:50 AM

The process of Twi rallying the other 5 together, starting from meeting Fluttershy to everyone going out on the field to Rainbowdash, took a significant chunk of the movie. It's disingenuous to say that the movie skipped through it or Twi didn't work hard enough for it to happen.

She had some meet and greet with them that is just exposition dump.
Then she finds a book and immediately arrives at the correct conclusion.
She tells them the conclusion and they immediately agree.

That's all that was actually part of that subplot.

Everything Twi did to facilitate the process along, you dismiss as easy or gratuitous, when in fact it wasn't. It's not easy to stand up to a bully when you're in a new place and completely alone.

It is when you've fought a dragon before.

It's not easy to refrain from choosing sides and being judgemental when ppl who are all your friends start arguing with each other.

Actually when you weren't even there for the events in question and have no idea of the context, it's a natural reaction.

zimmerwald1915

2013-07-14, 12:32 PM

It is when you've fought a dragon before.
Define "fought". Twi - and everypony but Fluttershy - got her kiester handed to her by a dragon in Dragonshy, and ran away from dragons in Owl's Well that Ends Well and Dragon Quest. In any case, I've got to agree with MLai: you're being very dismissive of real issues that people do have.

DigoDragon

2013-07-14, 01:01 PM

Define "fought". Twi - and everypony but Fluttershy - got her kiester handed to her by a dragon in Dragonshy, and ran away from dragons in Owl's Well that Ends Well and Dragon Quest.

Rainbow kicked the dragon in Dragonshy, and Owlicious harassed the dragon in Owl's Well. I think those were the only two physical altercations anyone had with dragons in the show, and in both cases it only served to upset the dragon. :smalltongue:

OracleofWuffing

2013-07-14, 01:13 PM

There was the Hydra in Pinkie Keen, that one kinda was like a fight, sorta.

HamHam

2013-07-14, 01:41 PM

Define "fought". Twi - and everypony but Fluttershy - got her kiester handed to her by a dragon in Dragonshy, and ran away from dragons in Owl's Well that Ends Well and Dragon Quest. In any case, I've got to agree with MLai: you're being very dismissive of real issues that people do have.

The movie is being dismissive of real issues that people do have.

Soras Teva Gee

2013-07-14, 01:48 PM

Not sure if it's my kind of thing. Actually, I'm not sure what kind of thing it's supposed to be. :smallbiggrin: I guess if I see it on Netflix, I'll watch it for myself and decide.

I describe it as: Pulp Fiction on a train in the 1930s.

I would summarize further but that would really defeat the purpose of watching it. More so the usual. Also see the pulp fiction reference.

It was previously on Netflix in dub (a really great dub too) but I haven't checked that in forever. Subtitled its availible for free (legally) on youtube. (http://www.youtube.com/show/baccano/videos?flow=grid&view=8&sort=da)

HamHam

2013-07-14, 01:58 PM

I describe it as: Pulp Fiction on a train in the 1930s.

I would summarize further but that would really defeat the purpose of watching it. More so the usual. Also see the pulp fiction reference.

It was previously on Netflix in dub (a really great dub too) but I haven't checked that in forever. Subtitled its availible for free (legally) on youtube. (http://www.youtube.com/show/baccano/videos?flow=grid&view=8&sort=da)

It does not appear to be on netflix instant watch.

Both subbed and dubbed seem to up for free on Funimation's site though.

Forum Explorer

2013-07-14, 02:51 PM

(1) I don't see how it sounds stupid when compared to the names of all other school teams out there.
(2) No it should not have just been "Wonderbolts;" the name "Wonderbolts" itself derives from being similar to Wondercolts, but ponies ofc wouldn't just use "colts" but instead morphed it to "bolts."

1) Just because other schools have stupid sounding names doesn't make Wondercolts any less stupid sounding.

2) What? Wonderbolts seems to be a pretty clear mix between two words, Wondrous and Thunderbolts. Wondercolts is bad for ponies not because ponies wouldn't use it, but because 80% of the population is female. Also because colt is a young male horse. It's like calling yourselves the Super Teenagers.

Kd7sov

2013-07-14, 03:39 PM

This (http://fav.me/d5brap4), I think, would be validly called a Wonder Colt. More properly a Colt Wonder, but one can't have everything.

Edit: Oh, for crying out loud, the filter obscures bits of URLs, too? Fine, the shortform page link should work, but I really only wanted the image.

zimmerwald1915

2013-07-14, 03:42 PM

This (http://th02.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/f/2012/232/f/d/****_grayhoof___robin_by_replaymasteroftime-d5brap4.png), I think, would be validly called a Wonder Colt. More properly a Colt Wonder, but one can't have everything.

Oops.

The page you were looking for doesn't exist.
Would you mind seeing if there's something up with your link?

Rater202

2013-07-14, 03:48 PM

Plushies!https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7647420416/hA77C2847/

Beacon of Chaos

2013-07-14, 04:08 PM

May I have your attention for a moment?
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-mVJXJSNLNEs/UeDr7G55T2I/AAAAAAAAnI0/5dim30M-IRs/s1600/pinkie_rolling__by_amy30535-d6cz9h9.gif

Thank you. Carry on.

DigoDragon

2013-07-14, 05:11 PM

PONIES!!! #51, where Trixie finally gets it~
http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2013/195/3/0/ponies______51_by_turag-d6dg7v0.png

There was the Hydra in Pinkie Keen, that one kinda was like a fight, sorta.

Twilight did manage to get that silly thing to fight itself, or hit the landscape. ...with it's face. :smallbiggrin:

Both subbed and dubbed seem to up for free on Funimation's site though.

Good enough!

Thank you. Carry on.

That's really cute! Like a cotton candy burrito.
Pink cotton candy burrito.

...it must be dinner time. 9_9

zimmerwald1915

2013-07-14, 05:52 PM

Twilight did manage to get that silly thing to fight itself, or hit the landscape. ...with it's face. :smallbiggrin:
I'm not sure that qualifies...

And now for something completely different: the Applejack micro-series is out. Have enough people read it that discussing it is worthwhile?

Deadly

2013-07-14, 06:03 PM

And now for something completely different: the Applejack micro-series is out. Have enough people read it that discussing it is worthwhile?

I should get around to order it soon, after which it'll take a week or so before I get it. I'm looking forward to seeing how they handle a story about AJ. What little I know about it makes me think it could be quite interesting.

Is this the last comic for a while, btw? What's the timing on the others, anypony know?

I should also get around to watch EqG in full, not just the last 15 minutes. Just don't feel like I have the time to set aside for it lately :smallfrown:

zimmerwald1915

2013-07-14, 06:06 PM

Is this the last comic for a while, btw? What's the timing on the others, anypony know?
Issue #9 is supposed to come out later this month, and Micro-Series #7 will follow in August.

Deadly

2013-07-14, 06:08 PM

Issue #9 is supposed to come out later this month, and Micro-Series #7 will follow in August.

I guess I have heard wrong or mixed something up then. I was sure I heard they were going to have a break until winter or something

BlasTech

2013-07-14, 06:09 PM

I'm not sure that qualifies...

And now for something completely different: the Applejack micro-series is out. Have enough people read it that discussing it is worthwhile?

Applejack Micro

I found it pretty enjoyable. A decent comic but not as good as the Rarity or Pinkie ones. Saw the lesson coming from a mile off, but the double twist at the end still blindsided me.

Most surreal moment has to be when AJ started trying to think like the Sasquatch, those facial expressions. CMFIS in its most obvious form.

Gamerlord

2013-07-14, 06:50 PM

I'm not sure that qualifies...

And now for something completely different: the Applejack micro-series is out. Have enough people read it that discussing it is worthwhile?
I read it.
Overall, I liked it. The jokes were funny (My favorite was AJ thinking like the Sass Squash) ,the art was good, and the story worked pretty well. Only issue I had with it is that the lesson felt a bit like a repeat of Apple Family Reunion and Applebuck Season. EDIT: Actually, I also thought Applebloom's magnet line was a bit weird.

Also, Applebloom's hat was adorable. :smallbiggrin::

Humble Master

2013-07-14, 07:24 PM

Random question for my story. Is there a pony version of 'what the heck'?

Also, I should have the first part done soon and ready for your reviewing.

BlasTech

2013-07-14, 07:27 PM

'What the hay' seems to be the most commonly used.

Humble Master

2013-07-14, 07:58 PM

'What the hay' seems to be the most commonly used. Oh duh. Man I feel really stupid right now. One more probably stupid question: What gender is Derpy Hooves?

Gamerlord

2013-07-14, 08:00 PM

Oh duh. Man I feel really stupid right now. One more probably stupid question: What gender is Derpy Hooves?
She is a mare. 10chars

Kd7sov

2013-07-14, 08:09 PM

Oh duh. Man I feel really stupid right now. One more probably stupid question: What gender is Derpy Hooves?

She is a mare. 10chars

Considering the story behind her speaking part, this is probably not a stupid question.

Forum Explorer

2013-07-14, 09:01 PM

PONIES!!! #51, where Trixie finally gets it~
http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2013/195/3/0/ponies______51_by_turag-d6dg7v0.png

Twilight did manage to get that silly thing to fight itself, or hit the landscape. ...with it's face. :smallbiggrin:

Now I'm getting curious to see where that story is going.

Hey when all you have is a shovel.

otakuryoga

2013-07-14, 11:54 PM

Balmas

2013-07-15, 02:19 AM

Plushies!https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7647420416/hA77C2847/

HNNNNNGGG

So, I just finished reading the Applejack micro-comic.
Sass-squash. I called it! Totally called it!

There are two problems that I can see with this issue. First off is the lesson.

Let me just say it, since nobody at Hasbro seems to know it. "Applejack is stubborn." There. We've seen it. Bull-headed cowgirl tries to take on the world and gets stuck because of it. We've seen it already. Twice.

Let me repeat the lesson that we've seen two times already: "Teamwork is better." I saw the lesson coming from the time that Applejack rejected her family's help.

Granted, I didn't see the Granny-Sasquash Scooby-doo style unveiling.

The ending leaves me with a few questions about the Sass-Squash, though.

Jothki

2013-07-15, 02:38 AM

Premise for a chapter of that metafiction I'll never actually write:

If Applebucking is in fact physically impossible (even with whatever vague Earth-pony magic might be helping) and only works because the show's camera is never on focus on the branches and buckets at the same time, would Applejack want to know that her livelihood is partially based on a lie?

And how much of Equestrian society is based on similar lies?

thubby

2013-07-15, 03:15 AM

that are many real world fruits and seeds that are shaken from the trees. it's not unreasonable to think equestrian ponies and/or apple trees are different enough for apple bucking to work.

MLai

2013-07-15, 05:11 AM

BTW, you don't need hypothetical "earth pony magic" (whose alleged existence I reject) to applebuck. In the Flim-Flam Bros eps, Rainbow Dash was seen successfully applebucking.

Aotrs Commander

2013-07-15, 05:27 AM

Kicking a trees hard that the apples fall off it is a strength-related factor, and I remind ponies have superpowers. And Dash in particular, has kicked through multiple tree trunks so hard it cut the wood as cleanly as a giant industrial hole-punch or similiar (I wouldn't care to hazard a guess as to the numbers involved; I'm not even sure Earth currently has something like that isn't some sort of saw). That RD can applebuck fairly easily, then, is not exactly that surprising...

SlyGuyMcFly

2013-07-15, 05:29 AM

that are many real world fruits and seeds that are shaken from the trees. it's not unreasonable to think equestrian ponies and/or apple trees are different enough for apple bucking to work.

This. Olives and almonds are picked by whacking the tree with long poles, for instance. Well, were picked. Nowadays there's this cool machine, that... is actually sorta like applebucking (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUCr3SyrYQM&NR=1&feature=fvwp).

DigoDragon

2013-07-15, 06:12 AM

the Applejack micro-series is out. Have enough people read it that discussing it is worthwhile?

Haven't bought any of the micro-series yet. I was hoping they'd compile it all into one book.

Now I'm getting curious to see where that story is going.

Hey when all you have is a shovel.

Same here. Among the gags and jokes, we have a story line showing up. I've found it interesting that not one of the Mane6 have show up visually in the comic thus far.

When all you have is a shovel...? Everything starts looking like whatsit (http://www.hrwiki.org/wiki/Whatsit)? :smallbiggrin:

(AJ Micro)
There are two problems that I can see with this issue. First off is the lesson.

Let me just say it, since nobody at Hasbro seems to know it. "Applejack is stubborn." There. We've seen it. Bull-headed cowgirl tries to take on the world and gets stuck because of it. We've seen it already. Twice.

Let me repeat the lesson that we've seen two times already: "Teamwork is better." I saw the lesson coming from the time that Applejack rejected her family's help.

And the second? :smallwink: :smalltongue:

(Micro AJ)
http://24.media.tumblr.com/574f5203ab67e05fe29a6a1ffca3ba8a/tumblr_mjh2r2eSQi1rz32zuo1_500.jpg

That RD can applebuck fairly easily, then, is not exactly that surprising...

However, it seems not every pony has the power/skill to buck trees. Pinkie failed hard at it during Magical Mistery Cure. Fluttershy just shakes the trees from within.

Nowadays there's this cool machine, that... is actually sorta like applebucking (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUCr3SyrYQM&NR=1&feature=fvwp).

Flim and Flams' next big thing? :smallbiggrin:

Soras Teva Gee

2013-07-15, 09:20 AM

Rater202

2013-07-15, 12:06 PM

BTW, you don't need hypothetical "earth pony magic" (whose alleged existence I reject) to applebuck. In the Flim-Flam Bros eps, Rainbow Dash was seen successfully applebucking.
Word of God is that All three Pony Tribes have their own magic.

Earth Pony magic is a connection to the earth that results in greater strength and toughness than normal, as well as being better able to cultivate plants.

I will try to find the specific word of god for you.

Unless someone else finds it first.

Edit. Here we go
If you want to get technical, even the earth ponies are using magic. Their mystical connection to the earth allows for faster, more bountiful harvests as well as increased physical ability.

Tiki Snakes

2013-07-15, 12:09 PM

Word of God is that All three Pony Tribes have their own magic.

Earth Pony magic is a connection to the earth that results in greater strength and toughness than normal, as well as being better able to cultivate plants.

I will try to find the specific word of god for you.

Unless someone else finds it first.

The point is that in the specific case of Applebucking we see incontrovertable proof that if there is any kind of Earth Pony Magic, it isn't needed, because Rainbow Dash does fine, and she isn't an Earth Pony.

As for the existence of Earth Pony Magic in any meaningful sense, I see it as a non-issue really. The kind of thing Fanfictions get caught up in and overly reference but shouldn't really ever be invoked or talked about whether or not it exists.

Soras Teva Gee

2013-07-15, 12:23 PM

I will try to find the specific word of god for you.

Unless someone else finds it first.

Edit. Here we go

Source on this tidbit?

....

Also this topic had a short cycle. We talked about this only what last month?

Rater202

2013-07-15, 12:29 PM

The point is that in the specific case of Applebucking we see incontrovertable proof that if there is any kind of Earth Pony Magic, it isn't needed, because Rainbow Dash does fine, and she isn't an Earth Pony.

As for the existence of Earth Pony Magic in any meaningful sense, I see it as a non-issue really. The kind of thing Fanfictions get caught up in and overly reference but shouldn't really ever be invoked or talked about whether or not it exists.

I was more addressing the Line About "Rejecting" the "Alleged" Earth pony magic, that is confirmed to exist and therefor not at all alleged, and thus rejecting part of the canon.

Probably should have made it clearer.

I've also theorized that Granny Smith's weird things she does around Zap Apple Harvest Time, the things that make the Jam better, Are some sort of incredibly long casting time Ritual magic, Because come on it is so obvious, but weather it is tied to earth pony magic or not is a matter of debate.

And on the Subject of Zap Apple season Bunny Bloomhttp://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQsBjKGVPDhunO_XN6MXl2jzJTsG2Bfa d_tU-YIMYk6vIC2H7QR6Q

DigoDragon

2013-07-15, 12:30 PM

The point is that in the specific case of Applebucking we see incontrovertable proof that if there is any kind of Earth Pony Magic, it isn't needed, because Rainbow Dash does fine, and she isn't an Earth Pony.

To be a little more precise~ If Applebucking is magically oriented, then it is magic that can be used by some non-earth ponies and it is magic not all earth ponies possess.

Personally, I think Applebucking is more of a skill based off strength.

And on the Subject of Zap Apple season Bunny Bloomhttp://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQsBjKGVPDhunO_XN6MXl2jzJTsG2Bfa d_tU-YIMYk6vIC2H7QR6Q

I'll see your bunny Bloom and raise you the sun. :smallbiggrin:
http://th08.deviantart.net/fs71/300W/f/2012/007/d/e/princess_celestia_in_a_bunny_suit_by_giantmosquito-d4lnp72.png

Topaz

2013-07-15, 12:32 PM

Tiki Snakes

2013-07-15, 12:38 PM

I was more addressing the Line About "Rejecting" the "Alleged" Earth pony magic, that is confirmed to exist and therefor not at all alleged, and thus rejecting part of the canon.

Probably should have made it clearer.

I've also theorized that Granny Smith's weird things she does around Zap Apple Harvest Time, the things that make the Jam better, Are some sort of incredibly long casting time Ritual magic, Because come on it is so obvious, but weather it is tied to earth pony magic or not is a matter of debate.

And on the Subject of Zap Apple season Bunny Bloomhttp://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQsBjKGVPDhunO_XN6MXl2jzJTsG2Bfa d_tU-YIMYk6vIC2H7QR6Q

It's not canon until it's in the show. The vague and sometimes slightly contradictory quotes on the matter from various showstaff may hint at what is intended, but until it's actually on screen in some meaningful way, it's just conjecture.

Rater202

2013-07-15, 12:41 PM

It's not canon until it's in the show. The vague and sometimes slightly contradictory quotes on the matter from various showstaff may hint at what is intended, but until it's actually on screen in some meaningful way, it's just conjecture.

Fair, but this particular one has yet to be contradicted.

I will stop now though.

In unrelated news, the life and times of a winning pony updated
A Glimer of hope apears, and rainbow is going to be introuble with derpy, because Rainbows Godfilly(Dinky) wants to learn the facts of life, as a Direct result of dash teasing her other Godfilly(Sparkler)

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Our laughter was cut terribly short by one of the most horrifying things imaginable: in all the fun of teasing Sparkler, we’d forgotten that her little sister had been there the whole time. Dinky looked at the three of us, her eyes full of innocent fillyish curiosity, and asked, “What’s that sex stuff Sparky was talkin’ about? And what’s it gotta do with makin’ muffins? Are she and Star gonna make some muffins for us? ‘Cause I rilly like muffins, even when they’re not Mommy-muffins.” Dinky leaned in and whispered conspiratorially. “Mommy says her muffins are the best ‘cause she makes ‘em with love.”

“Oh, horseapples,” Rainbow groaned under her breath.

Well said, Rainbow.

I took a crack at salvaging the situation. “Um ... well, you see Dinky, it’s...” My brain completely failed me at that point.

“It's a thing adults do,” Blossom helpfully supplied. “You wouldn’t like it. It’s really boring.”

Dinky immediately pouted like—well, like a little filly. “Ponies’re always sayin’ that whenever I ask about stuff! I wanna know now!”

“It’s something you gotta ask your mom about!” Rainbow hastily blurted out. “It’s a rule. Only moms can tell their kids about it. Because.” Dinky frowned at Rainbow, still not completely sold on her explanation, and Dash went for one of the tried and true methods of deflecting uncomfortable questions from a kid: bribery. “Say, wanna stop by the bakery and get some banana-nut muffins? I bet if we hurry, we can get there right as the muffins are comin’ outta the oven.”

Dinky pondered this offer for a time, then her face brightened up in a gleeful smile. “A’kay!”

Whew, crisis averted. And there are ponies who say Rainbow Dash isn't smart.

Dinky started heading for the door, then turned around and hopped onto Rainbow’s back instead. “Ponyback ride!” She made herself comfortable on Rainbow’s back, then her ears perked up as a new thought occurred to her. “Is there a book we can read about this?”

Rainbow started sweating for a moment, until she found a way out. “Yeah there’s books, but there's a part in the Godmom Contract that says your mom has to be the one to read it to you.”

Dinky let out a petulant little grumble. “Fiiiine. I'll go ask Mommy about readin' it to me, but I'm also gonna tell her that she needs to fix the Godmom Contract, 'cause I like readin' with you about important stuff. You do those rilly funny an’ neat voices!”

Rainbow’s face went from relieved to horror-stricken in an instant. I’d be about the same, if Derpy found out Dinky was asking her questions about sex because of me. I’d gone to a lot of effort to avoid spoiling Dinky’s innocence on that subject.

Rainbow summed up her thoughts on the matter quite succinctly. “Well, my life is officially over.”

One Tin Soldier

2013-07-15, 02:16 PM

just got back from seeing Pacific Rim
wow
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Oh dear, now she's gotten carried away...
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I get to go see this movie tonight. Finally. For some reason my friends have all been dragging their feet when it comes to watching it, despite the fact that we've been looking forward to it for months now.

Also, I get the feeling that I will be seeing a relevant crossover fic in the Featured box sometime very soon. Considering the nature of the mind-meld thing, it's even very pony-thematic.

Balmas

2013-07-15, 02:39 PM

I've also theorized that Granny Smith's weird things she does around Zap Apple Harvest Time, the things that make the Jam better, Are some sort of incredibly long casting time Ritual magic, Because come on it is so obvious, but weather it is tied to earth pony magic or not is a matter of debate.

Given that we see Scootaloo and other non-earth ponies participating in the ritual bunny-hopping towards the end of the episode, I'd say that it's probably not earth-pony exclusive.

Also, for those who read a Winning Pony, who else finds the new ship to be absolutely adorable?

HamHam

2013-07-15, 02:41 PM

Rainbow Dash is freakishly strong.

Gamerlord

2013-07-15, 02:47 PM

So apparently there will be a sneak peak of Season 4 at the SDCC on Saturday. (http://www.equestriadaily.com/2013/07/mlp-at-comic-con-detailed-season-4.html)

And so the endless barrage of spoilers and hype begins. :smallbiggrin: :smalltongue:

Forum Explorer

2013-07-15, 02:59 PM

Rainbow Dash is freakishly strong.

and yet so many fanfics refuse to give her that credit. Yes that is a pet peeve of mine.

Rater202

2013-07-15, 03:40 PM

Given that we see Scootaloo and other non-earth ponies participating in the ritual bunny-hopping towards the end of the episode, I'd say that it's probably not earth-pony exclusive.

Also, for those who read a Winning Pony, who else finds the new ship to be absolutely adorable?

Starkler is good ship yes

Pokonic

2013-07-15, 04:15 PM

Oh dear, now she's gotten carried away...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/Raxmei/other_stuff/JaegerPoster_zpsa274391b.png

Dat horn. Now someone need's to photoshop a giant hyperrealistic Discord.

BlasTech

2013-07-15, 04:31 PM

Gonna go see WWZ tonight, doubles as an impromptu bday bash :smalltongue:

More thematically appropriate pics!

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lscgki9sRc1r1y172o1_500.jpg

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Dat horn. Now someone need's to photoshop a giant hyperrealistic Discord.

Ya mean like this?

http://i4.ytimg.com/vi/kdM9PtRsPHg/maxresdefault.jpg?feature=og

Jothki

2013-07-15, 05:11 PM

that are many real world fruits and seeds that are shaken from the trees. it's not unreasonable to think equestrian ponies and/or apple trees are different enough for apple bucking to work.

Those real world fruits don't all somehow fall into three or so buckets, though. Applejack would need a net or a ton of extra scooping, which breaks the visual appeal of the Applebucking process.

Deadly

2013-07-15, 05:32 PM

At last I am done with the whole Update Fillystata project. Mare in the Mirror has been updated and received a little bonus chapter. (http://www.fimfiction.net/blog/186177/and-done)

I feel such relief right now. I can finally get back to doing new stuff, and maybe some art. Not that my schedule is likely to be much less stressful, but at least the stuff I'll be stressing about will not be old stuff

Humble Master

2013-07-15, 05:58 PM

Those real world fruits don't all somehow fall into three or so buckets, though. Applejack would need a net or a ton of extra scooping, which breaks the visual appeal of the Applebucking process. Sometimes Applebloom has to do a little dance around the tree to catch all of the apples but other than that it doesn't make much sense why the apples all fall into just a few buckets.

Aotrs Commander

2013-07-15, 06:05 PM

Heehee.

And some days, the PCs actually get rattled!

Nonpony:

Penultimate fight of the 3.Aotrs converted AD&D module. To get in, they have to pop through a magical flux point; which slaps a Disjunction on them)1.

So, they pop in, now mostly unbuffed and Mr Derro Sorcerer drops his specially modified Time Stop - as the PCs called it "Time Stop gloat version" and procedes to rant at them - and they can see and here him but are able to do nothing - while he makes his preperations for four pseudo-rounds. Which includes an efreeti out of a bottle and using Gate to summon a Solar (a specific solar he's used for this purpose before)... And then does things like have the Solar and Efreeti use Miracle and Wish on him for some extra spell effects (Ironguard and Spell Immunity to Dispel, Greater Dispel, Dispel Psionics, Maze and something else dispel related (damn, I love being Evil)...) - yes in the time stop, he's Epic and also because shut up, it's the penultimate boss. Mr Sorcerer also cast up Greater Haste, the 3.0 version of haste (at 6th level)that I allow cripplingly sparingly to some NPCs because it breaks the action economy, but who cares, BBEG fight.

Party is good aligned, with one paladin and one exalted... and the Paladin, being the Seerow's rebalanced version, had automatic Detect Evil, and doesn't get a ping off the efreeti (and unsurprisingly, not off the solar...!)

So we had the absolute hilarity of the PCs realiseing they can't kill these guys (since they're called not summoned, so they have subdue them.

Cue the Rogue/Ninja/Invisible Blade/Swordsage (os RNIBS as I will call him from now on) going off and grabbing his sap, with the plan of literally koshing an efreeti and a solar unconcious...

Now, given that he is invisible, the solar can see him and the sorcerer can't, and while under fairly tight control the solar is basically trying to do his best to minimise the damage within the limits of his orders, the RNIBS flew up behind him and told him he was going to knock him out and to stand still.

(The sorcerer was too crazy and busy desultoraily through Magic Missiles like he was Xykon in that first encounter with the OotS - got 7 on Listen, before penalties - so he didn't hear this or he could have just forbidden the solar to "help".)

The solar complied, by basically standing still enough that he treated his Dex as 1 (and dropping his AC by 10) while the RNIBS conked him.

So, we had almost literally that moment in Red Dwarf in Demons and Angels (my favouite episode, as it happens) where Kryten is trying to subdue the remote controlled Lister...

ListerSolar: Someone get behind me.
KrytenRNIBS: I'm going to come around behind you now, sir.
ListerSolar:Okay, take me by surprise.
KrytenRNIBS: I'm coming around behind you to take you by surprise, sir.
ListerSolar: Get on with it, surprise me!
KrytenRNIBS: You may get an unpleasant sensation of being cudgelled. Don't be alarmed.
ListerSolar: Surprise me now!
KrytenRNIBS: Here comes my surprise, sir. *conk*

Class.

(No, we couldn't even do it in character, we had to do it Red Dwarf style. Even if we didn't quite do it verbatim, we came damn close...! We're such bad people.)

And we ended the night with the Efreeti and Solar both down unconcious , finally (boy, that DR 15 Epic and Evil is fun against a good party...!). The cleric and paladin are down, the sorceress is Mazed after Mr Sorcerer didn't like her trying to cast it on him, the two rogue/warblades are down to pretty muchg single digits, the shaper is nearly out of PP and the dagger-thrower fighter can't do anything to Mr Sorcerer due to Ironguard...and Mr Sorcerer had taken only about 90 damage out of his [165+165+165] hit points... The RNIBS is really going to earn his pay today! (Luckily for him, the cleric set off Mr sorcerer's (9th+1 level) retibutive spell, Eternal Darkness2...)

Good time, good times! (Nice to make 'em sweat for a change.)

1Because nobody but nobody wants to go through a party of eight 17th level characters with more kit than you can shake a stick at and roll a save for each and every item, I said "all your passive stuff, e.g. weapons.armour rings of protection etc etc automatically pass (because if we have to start recalculating everyone's attack bonuses and stuf, we'll all cry), just roll for all your use-activated stuff you've got currently running and stuff that grants you effects (e.g. fire resistance/flight etc) and we'll roll for other use-activated items when you try and use them). (We also roll with if you fail, it's just suppressed for an hour, not destroyed because not even at the end of the adventure is that worth it.)

2D8/two levels Shadow damage, no save, no SR (the shadow hits you out of your own shadow) plus Fort save or be blinded deafened and loose all extraordinary senses including but not limited to blindsense, blindsight, scent, tremoursense, blind-fight feat etc)...

I must admit, I'm now just concerned as to whether when I read the latest chapter of Winning Pony it is going to make me want to collectively slap them all upside the head more or less...

And related to above, then: Red Dwarf pony! Huzzah, I knew they'd be more eventually!

http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2013/032/e/e/red_dwarf_i_by_visdviking-d5thafh.jpg

http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/320/3/e/as_presented_by_ponies_6__red_dwarf_by_shiki01-d4gdpfx.png
I like that half the comments below this one are just people quoting Red Dwarf...!

Also Ask Red Dwarf ponies (http://ask-red-dwarf-ponies.tumblr.com/) tumblr. *snerk*

DigoDragon

2013-07-15, 06:12 PM

Any pony want pie?
http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2013/195/f/5/an_honest_question_by_joey_darkmeat-d6ditzl.png

And so the endless barrage of spoilers and hype begins. :smallbiggrin: :smalltongue:

Finally! I was getting tired of waiting for the Season 4 pre-drama! :D
[/Sarcasm]

But seriously, yay for previews!

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What is AJ watering the apple trees with o_o
That. Is. AWESOME.

At last I am done with the whole Update Fillystata project. Mare in the Mirror has been updated and received a little bonus chapter. (http://www.fimfiction.net/blog/186177/and-done)

Hey, congrats on the accomplishment!

Soras Teva Gee

2013-07-15, 07:32 PM

otakuryoga

2013-07-15, 08:46 PM

What is AJ watering the apple trees with o_o
That. Is. AWESOME.

Nitroglycerine

Pendulous

2013-07-15, 09:02 PM

Hmm inb4 they troll use with completely non-revealing content?

Okay probably not.

I'm betting a 30-second commercial spot.

Soras Teva Gee

2013-07-15, 09:35 PM

I'm betting a 30-second commercial spot.

Might get a song, we got a song last year didn't we? That can be both exciting and non-revealing.

Pendulous

2013-07-15, 10:05 PM

Might get a song, we got a song last year didn't we? That can be both exciting and non-revealing.

That's true. Actually, we got two songs if I recall.

OracleofWuffing

2013-07-15, 11:35 PM

Maybe they'll surprise us, and the reveal will be a revealing shot of Rainbow Dash not wearing any clothes!

Rater202

2013-07-15, 11:47 PM

Maybe they'll surprise us, and the reveal will be a revealing shot of Rainbow Dash not wearing any clothes!

But Sugarcube, She don't normally wear cloths.

OracleofWuffing

2013-07-16, 12:04 AM

Well, maybe it'll be Pinkie Pie, then. :smallbiggrin:

That's the joke.

Rater202

2013-07-16, 12:23 AM

Well, maybe it'll be Pinkie Pie, then. :smallbiggrin:

That's the joke.

The joke would work better if it were a pony that we never see with out cloths. Personally I would like to Celestia or Luna Bare Hoofed, too see if they have distinguishable hooves or not.

In other news, Dresden Fillies updated, two Quote Myself
These Motherbucking Idiots Summoned He Who Walks Behind?

Okay, I no longer hate them for their Zealotry, now I pity them for their Stupidity.

MLai

2013-07-16, 01:21 AM

I was more addressing the Line About "Rejecting" the "Alleged" Earth pony magic, that is confirmed to exist and therefor not at all alleged, and thus rejecting part of the canon.
Yeah that's not good enough. I am quoting Faust specifically saying that Earth Ponies do NOT have magic (yet somehow ppl read into that quote as her saying EPs have magic), but rather have a "connection to the land." Which when combined with "do not have magic", obviously means a cultural/ spiritual connection. Yet somehow everyone jumps on that as proof of druidic mysticism.

Your random quote needs to be cited, not just to person (if not Faust) but also to when/where/why it was said, so that I can evaluate whether it's official enough to override Faust's. Granted Faust is no longer working on MLP, but an unofficial quote from a staff member doesn't override her specific thoughts on the subject unless also corroborated by the show.

Rater202

2013-07-16, 01:54 AM

Yeah that's not good enough. I am quoting Faust specifically saying that Earth Ponies do NOT have magic (yet somehow ppl read into that quote as her saying EPs have magic), but rather have a "connection to the land." Which when combined with "do not have magic", obviously means a cultural/ spiritual connection. Yet somehow everyone jumps on that as proof of druidic mysticism.

Your random quote needs to be cited, not just to person (if not Faust) but also to when/where/why it was said, so that I can evaluate whether it's official enough to override Faust's. Granted Faust is no longer working on MLP, but an unofficial quote from a staff member doesn't override her specific thoughts on the subject unless also corroborated by the show.

Okay then, tree things.
1. Your post came off as being very Rude.

2. That word of Faust said that earth ponies do not cast spells. That is not the same as saying that they do not have magic.

Pegasi don't cast spells either, but their filight defies the laws of Physics and they controll the weather. that is obviosely Magic, but it is not spell casting. Understand?

3.Quote from Lauren Faust's Deviant Art Profile, expcicitly stating that all three tribes have their own magic (http://comments.deviantart.com/4/1603670/1957965799)this same quote states that the earth ponies connection to earth, animals, and nature is magical, and is what makes them so good and tending to plants and animals, though I have yet to find the seperate quote that says that said connection is why they are stronger and tougher than other ponies

Unicorns are the only ones that can control it willingly. Pegasi have involuntary magic that allows them to do things like walk on clouds, and Earth Ponies have a magically ingrained connection to the earth that makes them better at working with plants and animals.

So yeah they have magic, and you are rejecting Canon by denying that.

Apologies if I seem rude, Have an nice (Day/Afternoon/evening/whatever time it is when you read this).

thubby

2013-07-16, 02:26 AM

i suppose that explains FS' generally weak flying ability. her innate magic is unwittingly channeled into connection with animals.

MLai

2013-07-16, 02:31 AM

Okay then, tree things.
1. Your post came off as being very Rude.
I'd say a tad much sensitivity on your part, if you're referring to my previous post. I re-read it, and I see nothing that even insinuates an insult to you.
Unless you think my "everyone" is specifically addressing you, when I actually do mean "everyone that takes that particular Faust quote the wrong way."

This one, which everyone ends up quoting:
"*fyre-flye Mar 3, 2011
While not magical like the other pony types, Earth Ponies do have a connection to the land that other types do not. In Equestria, growing food and tending animals (Fluttershy's talent with animals is unusual for a pegasus, I always imagined she feels more at home on the ground than in the sky) is just as necessary, as managing weather and magic. Perhaps more important, don't you think? They are ponies, not people, so perhaps appreciating each other as equals is not so difficult for them."

3.Quote from Lauren Faust's Deviant Art Profile, expcicitly stating that all three tribes have their own magic (http://comments.deviantart.com/4/1603670/1957965799)this same quote states that the earth ponies connection to earth, animals, and nature is magical, and is what makes them so good and tending to plants and animals,
This is the only part you needed to post, because now I stand corrected. It would have been better if you specified right off the bat that you quoted Faust. You know how much attention to detail this forum demands.

Earth ponies have magic, it seems. Unfortunate. IMO an important lesson to little girls have been lost.

Rater202

2013-07-16, 02:32 AM

i suppose that explains FS' generally weak flying ability. her innate magic is unwittingly channeled into connection with animals.

was it not aid at some point that there was a lot of interbreeding between the tribes? something about almost every pony being descended from at least one pony of the other two tribes?

I figured Shy was a throw back to earth pony ancestors

Rater202

2013-07-16, 02:35 AM

You know how much attention to detail this forum demands.

Actually, I did not until now.

This is only my third thread.

thubby

2013-07-16, 02:49 AM

was it not aid at some point that there was a lot of interbreeding between the tribes? something about almost every pony being descended from at least one pony of the other two tribes?

I figured Shy was a throw back to earth pony ancestors

i don't see a reason that can't be true, but I like the equally supportable idea that makes her abilities the result of who she is as a person, not some happenstance of birth.

HamHam

2013-07-16, 03:07 AM

i don't see a reason that can't be true, but I like the equally supportable idea that makes her abilities the result of who she is as a person, not some happenstance of birth.

Who she is as a person is a happenstance of birth.

Forum Explorer

2013-07-16, 03:37 AM

Earth ponies have magic, it seems. Unfortunate. IMO an important lesson to little girls have been lost.

I know it's one of the main traits of the show, but not everything needs to be a lesson. And really I don't think the lesson is lost, it's just needs a different way to phrase it.

SiuiS

2013-07-16, 04:51 AM

Oh. You should have just came with that directly. Sometimes, when you need to say something to me, just beat me over the head with it with a sledge hammer, and then I'll understand. I'm a dumbass, remember?

I was hammering you bluntly. It only just now sunk in.

I'll lead with ball-peen next time from the get go.

That's not quite the message I'm trying to lament. It's more "why treat what could be a genuine opportunity as adversity?".

Because it could not have been an opportunity. It wasn't that they did bad things with the license, it's that they did at all.

Fair enough, but couldn't they have just prevented the Expo from using it? Did it really need to be shut down right at the roots?

Yes. Because it's not that it was being expositioned, it was that it was made. At all. In any way.
Turning a blind eye to someone using your stuff means someone using your stuff period, even in the idea stage. They just prevent the expo, then they are saying it's cool to use their stuff... Which gets out of hand hard.

They could no longer pretend theydidn't know. Did they handle it the best way possible? We cannot know. I don't think so, but I do think they did a darn good job and more fault lies with Mane6 than Hasbro. Luckily...

Lauren basically did that, so I suppose I've got an answer, so to speak, huh?

Yep. She was in a position to do this; Hasbro, seemingly, was not.

DigoDragon

2013-07-16, 06:10 AM

Might get a song, we got a song last year didn't we? That can be both exciting and non-revealing.

Double-exciting if the singer is a fan-fav pony who hasn't gotten a song yet. :smallbiggrin:
Or maybe it'll be a trailer like A Canterlot Wedding where it shows us something strange happening, but without context so that we go crazy with speculation. I remember being very interested in figuring out why the Mane6 was fighting themselves.

Earth ponies have magic, it seems. Unfortunate. IMO an important lesson to little girls have been lost.

What lesson was that? :smallconfused:

Over the past few nights I've been reading my daughter The Crystal Heart Spell at her request. Not only is it a weak story, but it apparently drove my daughter to violence because she told me to shush mid-way through chapter 10. :smalltongue:
Sheesh, next time I'm just going to bring my laptop over and read her Twilight Eats a Book.

Kd7sov

2013-07-16, 06:13 AM

Who she is as a person is a happenstance of birth.

That is a problematic position.

Soras Teva Gee

2013-07-16, 06:23 AM

Double-exciting if the singer is a fan-fav pony who hasn't gotten a song yet. :smallbiggrin:
Or maybe it'll be a trailer like A Canterlot Wedding where it shows us something strange happening, but without context so that we go crazy with speculation. I remember being very interested in figuring out why the Mane6 was fighting themselves.

Got anypony in mind?

BlasTech

2013-07-16, 07:44 AM

Never prank Fluttershy

http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2013/090/e/9/never_prank_fluttershy_by_sketchyjackie-d600b4x.png

EDIT: Yes, I just got back from watching WWZ. This comic was just a coincidence I swear!

Tiki Snakes

2013-07-16, 07:45 AM

Nothing Faust says can be taken as canon either.
Because Faust herself said we aren't allowed to. :smallwink:

It can be a good insight into what the current team might be working from, though.

thubby

2013-07-16, 08:25 AM

Nothing Faust says can be taken as canon either.
Because Faust herself said we aren't allowed to. :smallwink:

It can be a good insight into what the current team might be working from, though.

but if her denial of being cannon cannot be taken as cannon which means she is cannon which means she's not which means 01100100011011110110010101110011001000000110111001 10111101110100001000000110001101101111011011010111 00000111010101110100011001010000110100001010...2

Humble Master

2013-07-16, 08:34 AM

I love D&D and I like Ponies.
This fell somewhere in the middle... (http://friendshipisdragons.thecomicseries.com/comics/1/)

Tectonic Robot

2013-07-16, 09:00 AM

Geesh, you guys are still sputtering on at the speed of sound!? o_O

What is everyone still pony-discussing up in her?

thubby

2013-07-16, 09:21 AM

That is a problematic position.

that's putting it mildly.

Geesh, you guys are still sputtering on at the speed of sound!? o_O

What is everyone still pony-discussing up in her?

easier question to answer would be what aren't we discussing?

Balmas

2013-07-16, 09:23 AM

Who she is as a person is a happenstance of birth.

Yeah. With that, we're getting into a bit of nurture vs. nature, I think. Shyness, I think, is more a result of culture, though. Fluttershy was a poor flyer, and we see her getting mocked for that. Might make a girl withdraw a bit.

I love D&D and I like Ponies.
This fell somewhere in the middle... (http://friendshipisdragons.thecomicseries.com/comics/1/)

Yup. Friendship Is Dragons is awesome.

DigoDragon

2013-07-16, 09:48 AM

Got anypony in mind?

You know, ever since Celestia got a little heartwarming number of her own, I envisioned Luna getting a fun energetic song that would be the love child between Nightmare Before Christmas' This is Halloween and Phineas & Ferb's One Good Scare.

Never prank Fluttershy

I find her final resting pose to be illegally cute. :smalltongue:

01100100011011110110010101110011001000000110111001 10111101110100001000000110001101101111011011010111 00000111010101110100011001010000110100001010...2

*snerk* I knew it. :smallbiggrin:

I love D&D and I like Ponies.

Only by a good bit of begging and bribery did I manage a short two-session adventure combining the two. Despite liking the concepts, I think my players are just weirded out that they're RPing pastel horses or something. :smallbiggrin:

Then again, it's neigh-impossible to get a decent dungeon crawl going when my daughter is around. She'll grab all her ponies and pretty much take over the table. Get's annoying when we're trying to use miniatures during combat.

Me: "Okay, Scootaloo stabs the timberwolf for 6 damage."
Daughter: *Throws her build-a-bear Pinkie Pie on the table*
Me: "And then Pink falls, Everyone dies."

Although the current D&D campaign isn't related to pony, my wizard got to start with a medium-sized pony familiar. One player remarked that unlike everyone else in our history of playing D&D, she enjoys that I've given my familiar a personality and that the pony can actually DO something once in a while.

Humble Master

2013-07-16, 09:50 AM

Only by a good bit of begging and bribery did I manage a short two-session adventure combining the two. Despite liking the concepts, I think my players are just weirded out that they're RPing pastel horses or something. :smallbiggrin:

Then again, it's neigh-impossible to get a decent dungeon crawl going when my daughter is around. She'll grab all her ponies and pretty much take over the table. Get's annoying when we're trying to use miniatures during combat.

Me: "Okay, Scootaloo stabs the tmberwolf for 6 damage."
Daughter: *Throws her build-a-bear Pinkie Pie on the table*
Me: "And then Pink falls, Everyone dies."

Although the current D&D campaign isn't related to pony, my wizard got to start with a medium-sized pony familiar. One player remarked that unlike everyone else in our history of playing D&D, she enjoys that I've given my familiar a personality and that the pony can actually DO something once in a while.Hmm, you have inspired me. After all, my post by post campaign fell through so I have a spot open for a more pony related game. Going to need to homebrew a crud ton of things however.

Topaz

2013-07-16, 11:40 AM

Hmm, you have inspired me. After all, my post by post campaign fell through so I have a spot open for a more pony related game. Going to need to homebrew a crud ton of things however.

Do feel free to peruse the Pony TRPG list (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15606712&postcount=19) for any material you might find useful. That is kind of the reason I post it every thread.

Humble Master

2013-07-16, 11:48 AM

Do feel free to peruse the Pony TRPG list (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15606712&postcount=19) for any material you might find useful. That is kind of the reason I post it every thread. Thank you very much, though I don't see much stuff for 3.5 DnD which is the system I was planning on using.

Rater202

2013-07-16, 12:07 PM

Hmm, you have inspired me. After all, my post by post campaign fell through so I have a spot open for a more pony related game. Going to need to homebrew a crud ton of things however.

Thank you very much, though I don't see much stuff for 3.5 DnD which is the system I was planning on using.

There is Some Pathfinder stuff though, Which was created specifically to fix the Problems in 3.5 and most stuff from 3.5 is compatible with pathfinder or Vice versa

here is the Pathfinder Srd (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/)

Unlike the 3.5 SRD, it has most of the Stuff written for pathfinder, as well as alot of third party stuff.

zimmerwald1915

2013-07-16, 12:15 PM

There is Some Pathfinder stuff though, Which was created specifically to fix the Problems in 3.5 and most stuff from 3.5 is compatible with pathfinder or Vice versa
Pathfinder didn't actually set out to "fix" anything, and as such hasn't. Pathfinder exists so that Paizo can continue to write and sell adventures for a ruleset sufficiently like 3.5 that 3.5 fans will want to buy and play those adventures.

But yeah, some of the Ponyfinder stuff is worth using in a 3.5ish game.

HamHam

2013-07-16, 12:30 PM

Yeah. With that, we're getting into a bit of nurture vs. nature, I think. Shyness, I think, is more a result of culture, though. Fluttershy was a poor flyer, and we see her getting mocked for that. Might make a girl withdraw a bit.

But why is she a poor flyer?

Rater202

2013-07-16, 12:35 PM

Pathfinder didn't actually set out to "fix" anything, and as such hasn't. Pathfinder exists so that Paizo can continue to write and sell adventures for a ruleset sufficiently like 3.5 that 3.5 fans will want to buy and play those adventures.

But yeah, some of the Ponyfinder stuff is worth using in a 3.5ish game.

regardless of weather it set out to or not, it does fix a lot of the issues from 3.5.

Several of my friends as well as myself think that the classes are better balanced against each other than in 3.5, for example.

And to keep this Relevant, here is some stuff from My little Brony.
https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7660155904/h60B8CB16/

https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7660206848/h801DD160/

https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7662149120/h0DCAB29A/

DigoDragon

2013-07-16, 12:47 PM

Do feel free to peruse the Pony TRPG list (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15606712&postcount=19) for any material you might find useful.

Oh pony feathers. I keep forgetting that I need to rewrite that Pony GURPS setting I had made a while back. That was one of the things I lost when my lappy was stolen.

But why is she a poor flyer?

Might be a combination of having genetically weaker wings and preferring to be on the ground rather than exercising them. She had to do a lot of physical training for that 2.5 wing power.

Spike: "Two point three actually."

And to keep this Relevant, here is some stuff from My little Brony.
https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7660206848/h801DD160/

Heh, My household relates. My wife is a huge Doctor Who fan and she's been all up in arms about the wait for next season. Doctor Whooves is where our common ground lies on a Venn diagram.

HamHam

2013-07-16, 01:03 PM

You know, I find portrayals of Fluttershy that make her a caricature like that pretty stupid.

Humble Master

2013-07-16, 02:25 PM

Rater202

2013-07-16, 02:36 PM

Well I told my brony family member about my idea for an Equestria campaign and he was game. Still have my Midnight Sky story to write though. Darn, so my ideas, so little time.

Also thanks for letting me know about the Ponyfinder stuff. I will probably look into that.

I know that feel, brony.

I am trying to make a Prototype-based world of darkness Homebrew, and A Pony Pantheon in Scion (Running on the theory that all mane 6 will be acorns by the end of the series)

I've may have to drop one Idea for the time being.

Beacon of Chaos

2013-07-16, 04:24 PM

Shining Armor's first day.
http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2013/196/b/f/mlp__recruit_shining_armor__commissioned__by_tan57 5-d6dk9qt.png

BlasTech

2013-07-16, 04:26 PM

Geesh, you guys are still sputtering on at the speed of sound!? o_O

What is everyone still pony-discussing up in her?

Hiya Tect!

*waves*

Well I told my brony family member about my idea for an Equestria campaign and he was game. Still have my Midnight Sky story to write though. Darn, so my ideas, so little time.

Also thanks for letting me know about the Ponyfinder stuff. I will probably look into that.

Put her in the campaign! :smalltongue:

Forum Explorer

2013-07-16, 05:51 PM

But why is she a poor flyer?

Partly natural weakness, but also a complete lack of effort on her part. She barely flies, while Rainbow Dash almost constantly flies, and presumably pegasi are closer to Rainbow Dash in ability then Fluttershy

You know, I find portrayals of Fluttershy that make her a caricature like that pretty stupid.

Like what? I mean, I likely agree with you, but I have no idea who you are addressing.

zimmerwald1915

2013-07-16, 06:56 PM

Like what? I mean, I likely agree with you, but I have no idea who you are addressing.
Like having little to no concept of death. Contrast this portrayal (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15631231&postcount=216) with her portrayal in IDW comic #3 (I think...it's the one where she talks about predation).

Aotrs Commander

2013-07-16, 06:58 PM

with her portrayal in IDW comic #3 (I think...it's the one where she talks about predation).

That was freakin' hilarious.

Deadly

2013-07-16, 07:01 PM

Over the past few nights I've been reading my daughter The Crystal Heart Spell at her request. Not only is it a weak story, but it apparently drove my daughter to violence because she told me to shush mid-way through chapter 10. :smalltongue:
Sheesh, next time I'm just going to bring my laptop over and read her Twilight Eats a Book.

Whispers temptingly: Do it, doooo it :smallbiggrin: Be sure to let me know what she thinks

Soras Teva Gee

2013-07-16, 07:04 PM

Shining Armor's first day.
http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2013/196/b/f/mlp__recruit_shining_armor__commissioned__by_tan57 5-d6dk9qt.png

None can resist the power of Filly Twilight.

Also Shining needs to work on his 1000 yard stare.

"Recruit what the **** do you think you are eyeballing with that glare!"

BlasTech

2013-07-16, 07:09 PM

That was freakin' hilarious.

Eeyup

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/518/183/5db.png

invinible

2013-07-16, 07:32 PM

But why is she a poor flyer?

Part of the reason is that she clams up when reminded of danger to herself and part of the reason is that being made fun of as a weak flier makes her want to hide rather than try to improve herself.

Vorpalbob

2013-07-16, 08:01 PM

Eeyup

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/518/183/5db.png

Damn, I should get around to reading those comics at some point. I think my local comic store has them.

Which reminds me, I need another job. I can't stop buying guitars. :roy:

DigoDragon

2013-07-16, 09:06 PM

Yay, my Last Starfighter comic made it to EqD (http://www.equestriadaily.com/2013/07/comic-core-of-apple-pt3-last.html). That made my day!

I think this has great potential for a story somehow...
http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2013/195/b/8/evil_harmony___sunset_shimmer_trixie_lightning_dus _by_witchkirke-d6dee26.png (http://fav.me/d6dee26)

...what kind of story, I don't know. Redemption? Hmm, maybe in a roundabout way. I'm not sure, I just find the idea of them working together at all to be intriguing to my muse and when my muse gets interested in something, art gets done. Rarity catch me.
http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2013/195/6/6/raritycatchme__by_raikoh_illust-d6diwm5.jpg (http://fav.me/d6diwm5)

Shining Armor's first day.

No brother can resist a little sister like that :smallbiggrin:

Whispers temptingly: Do it, doooo it :smallbiggrin: Be sure to let me know what she thinks

I must do what the voices in ponythread tell me to do. :smallbiggrin:

Which reminds me, I need another job. I can't stop buying guitars. :roy:

**Is struck by fly ball from left field**
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-6TkgnFPGhqE/TjM5PAnjxlI/AAAAAAAAJbk/PnGxlq2rLZA/s1600/having_a_ball__by_dreatos-d421ivd.png.jpg

Vorpalbob

2013-07-16, 09:23 PM

**Is struck by fly ball from left field**
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-6TkgnFPGhqE/TjM5PAnjxlI/AAAAAAAAJbk/PnGxlq2rLZA/s1600/having_a_ball__by_dreatos-d421ivd.png.jpg

**Dies from cute**

zimmerwald1915

2013-07-16, 09:27 PM

I think this has great potential for a story somehow...
http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2013/195/b/8/evil_harmony___sunset_shimmer_trixie_lightning_dus _by_witchkirke-d6dee26.png (http://fav.me/d6dee26)
One is a speedster whose daring is matched only by her self-regard. Another is a trickster who outwits, outtalks, and outdoes any who doubt her. The third never fails to get her way, whether through imperious command or mighty magic. Together, they fight crime.

Crimson Doom

2013-07-16, 09:40 PM

Urgh, no one left a link to the new thread in the old one. I had to go find it. Why can't I have every lazy whim fulfilled? Builds character I guess.

Yeah, I know! Took me eight pages for me to realize that "oh, they must have put up the new thread without posting a link". Lazy people, not fulfilling every lazy whim of ours. :smalltongue:

But oh well, I found it before it went too far, so I'm good.

Also, this picture is worth a thousand words :smallbiggrin:

http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2012/340/8/9/since_when_does_twilight_sparkle_ever_fail_by_texa suberalles-d5n9nzo.jpg

Alicorn Amulet Parasprite is best Parasprite.

Psst, Run!
http://th02.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/i/2013/192/3/d/run_run_run_by_atryl-d6d33pc.png (http://fav.me/d6d33pc)

Why? They'll all just catch me if I run, a la Rainbow Dash in Griffon the Brush-Off.

Besides, solid-light illusion of one of my robotic duplicates of one of my clones. Even an army of Pinkamenas would be hard-pressed to find the real me anytime soon.

I agree completely with this video. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFGh2wUdW-A)

I don't, but seeing the climatic scene played to Yackety Sax was well worth the price of admission. :smallbiggrin:

Double-exciting if the singer is a fan-fav pony who hasn't gotten a song yet. :smallbiggrin:

Rainbow Dash? She needs a solo. I mean, Applejack got Raise this Barn, Pinkie got 95% of the songs in the show, Fluttershy got So Many Wonders and Hush Now, Rarity got Art of the Dress and Becoming Popular, and Twilight got several songs of her own. Dash needs more than just a verse in At the Gala.

One is a speedster whose daring is matched only by her self-regard. Another is a trickster who outwits, outtalks, and outdoes any who doubt her. The third never fails to get her way, whether through imperious command or mighty magic. Together, they fight crime.

Fight crime? More like commit it!

It would be glorious.

Actually, that's not a bad idea. I think I'll call them up, see if they're interested in being a Quirky Miniboss Squad.

Pendulous

2013-07-16, 10:04 PM

Remember the rumors that South Park was gonna make an MLP episode? Well, looks like someone ran with it (NSFW LANGUAGE)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JEmLEaVfw0

BlasTech

2013-07-16, 10:17 PM

Damn, I should get around to reading those comics at some point. I think my local comic store has them.

Which reminds me, I need another job. I can't stop buying guitars. :roy:

Aw maaan, Vorp! I haven't seen you on the thread in aaaages. :smallsmile:

I really have to check in on the IRC sometime.

Vorpalbob

2013-07-17, 01:12 AM

Aw maaan, Vorp! I haven't seen you on the thread in aaaages. :smallsmile:

I really have to check in on the IRC sometime.

Indeed, the prodigal son has returned! My life got pretty hella hectic for a while. Moved out, started a band, got a succession of jobs... Things are slightly more settled now.

I still poni from time to time! I have the Mane 7 on buttons (http://i.imgur.com/b2nsn4o.jpg) on my guitar strap, and an RD sticker between the pickups of my main guitar. I just looked through all of the pictures of my band playing, and it turns out I move around far too much to get a clear shot of the sticker, especially seeing as it's right under where my hand is. I can take a clear picture at some point if anyone cares.

Pendulous

2013-07-17, 01:33 AM

Indeed, the prodigal son has returned! My life got pretty hella hectic for a while. Moved out, started a band, got a succession of jobs... Things are slightly more settled now.

I still poni from time to time! I have the Mane 7 on buttons (http://i.imgur.com/b2nsn4o.jpg) on my guitar strap, and an RD sticker between the pickups of my main guitar. I just looked through all of the pictures of my band playing, and it turns out I move around far too much to get a clear shot of the sticker, especially seeing as it's right under where my hand is. I can take a clear picture at some point if anyone cares.

I have to ask what the fine print on your shirt says. Kind of contradicts the pony buttons, as it is from what I can read.

Vorpalbob

2013-07-17, 02:52 AM

I have to ask what the fine print on your shirt says. Kind of contradicts the pony buttons, as it is from what I can read.

Oh, the shirt is from my friend's solo comedy show. (http://sarabynoe.com/shows/fck-off-and-die/) The fine print is her website. I never got to see the show, but I've been to a number of her Teen Angst nights, where her comedian friends share terrible poetry and journals from their preteen/teen years. She was selling her last few shirts at one of those shows, and I grabbed it because it's a great shirt.

Jothki

2013-07-17, 03:51 AM

Yet another metafictional idea I just had:

Title: Not A Free Action

Plot: Some ponies discover a conflict, and then resolve it. In real time. The narration vainly struggles to keep up with them.

Aotrs Commander

2013-07-17, 04:02 AM

No brother can resist a little sister like that :smallbiggrin:

I beg to differ...

DigoDragon

2013-07-17, 06:06 AM

Together, they fight crime.

Heh heh, that might be an idea actually. Their connection is that they all were affected by some madpony that committed a crime. Could be a comedy if they're working together not to bring the madpony to justice for his crime, but for their own petty personal reasons that just happen to serendipitously end up doing more good than harm. :smallbiggrin:

Ow, that was a mouthful...

Dash needs more than just a verse in At the Gala.

She did get a duet with Fluttershy in May the Best Pet Win.

Indeed, the prodigal son has returned!

Hurray! ...wait, son of whom? Jor-el?

Moved out, started a band, got a succession of jobs... Things are slightly more settled now.

Moving out is a big deal. Congrats on the newfound freedom! Just be careful of the common pitfalls (http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/stove_ownership.png) I discovered about moving out. :smallbiggrin:

I beg to differ...

Okay, I stand corrected. No living brother can resist a little sister like that. :smalltongue:

Aotrs Commander

2013-07-17, 06:29 AM

Okay, I stand corrected. No living brother can resist a little sister like that. :smalltongue:

Actually, I had Immune to Little Sisters on my SQ list even when alive..

Vorpalbob

2013-07-17, 06:33 AM

Hurray! ...wait, son of whom? Jor-el?
I never knew my father. Some say he was nothing but a rodent. All I know is he really had a thing for women who smelled like berries...

Moving out is a big deal. Congrats on the newfound freedom! Just be careful of the common pitfalls (http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/stove_ownership.png) I discovered about moving out. :smallbiggrin:
Dude, making a huge plate of bacon was like the first thing I did.

Moving out isn't quite the right term, though. My mother wanted to move to another part of town, and I was like "have fun with that" and got the rental agreement for our house put in my name. She lives on her own now, I got some roommates (the rent here is cheap but not /that/ cheap), and this place has become a hangout and second home for all our friends. There's space in the basement for my band to practice, and we periodically invite our friends' bands to come and play (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0Ys_2zp_cU&).

It's been tricky at times, but overall the best decision of my life thus far.

Beacon of Chaos

2013-07-17, 06:44 AM

Heya Vorpal! Long time no see! Going to Bronycon?

(psst, I'm not sure if those links count as censored enough for the boards.)

Vorpalbob

2013-07-17, 07:02 AM

Heya Vorpal! Long time no see! Going to Bronycon?
Unfortunately, no. I lack the generous monetary gifts of family members that I had last year. Shame, really. I was hoping to uphold that date of drinking with Jade. IT WILL HAPPEN SOMEDAY. Last year was hella rad, though.

(psst, I'm not sure if those links count as censored enough for the boards.)
Oh, pshaa. We're all mature (pft) adults (Pfffffft) here, we can handle some hinted-at vulgarity. :smallwink:

Crimson Doom

2013-07-17, 08:30 AM

Heh heh, that might be an idea actually. Their connection is that they all were affected by some madpony that committed a crime. Could be a comedy if they're working together not to bring the madpony to justice for his crime, but for their own petty personal reasons that just happen to serendipitously end up doing more good than harm. :smallbiggrin:

Ow, that was a mouthful...

Okay, that's something I could get behind. So long as they're up for being my Quirky Miniboss Squad afterwards.

She did get a duet with Fluttershy in May the Best Pet Win.

True, but that's not a solo. She's shared the music spotlight up until now, I'd like her to have her own moment alone in the spotlight.

Oh, pshaa. We're all mature (pft) adults (Pfffffft) here, we can handle some hinted-at vulgarity. :smallwink:

Well, on the one hoof, it might be violating board rules; I dunno, and I don't care to look them up since I'm not the one potentially breaking them. On the other hoof, I must admit that there is one thing that would work wonders for those not wanting to encounter vulgarity (even if it's just because there are kids in the room): putting mature warnings on links.

Now, I don't tend to click links willy-nilly anyways, so it's of little consequence to me, but perhaps that's something you could think about.

Vorpalbob

2013-07-17, 08:43 AM

Well, on the one hoof, it might be violating board rules; I dunno, and I don't care to look them up since I'm not the one potentially breaking them. On the other hoof, I must admit that there is one thing that would work wonders for those not wanting to encounter vulgarity (even if it's just because there are kids in the room): putting mature warnings on links.

Now, I don't tend to click links willy-nilly anyways, so it's of little consequence to me, but perhaps that's something you could think about.

Fair enough.

Tiki Snakes

2013-07-17, 08:45 AM

Okay, that's something I could get behind. So long as they're up for being my Quirky Miniboss Squad afterwards.

Speaking purely for Trixie; I see two problems with this. Firstly, I don't see her being happy at the idea of being anyone's miniboss.

Secondly, she's firmly on the path to redemption, as she clearly has a good heart beneath all of her issues.

Which means that the only way to get her as part of a quirky miniboss squad would be to coerce her into it, and she would be forced by her nature to betray you by joining the protagonists at the crucial moment, or to secretly work behind your back or something. Just doesn't feel right, whatever the picture hinted at.

Can't speak for Sunset Shimmer or whatever her name is, as I haven't seen the film. Lightning Dust is grade A minion Lieutenant material though, a solid addition to a quirky miniboss squad given her borderline sociopathy and stuff.

Crimson Doom

2013-07-17, 08:54 AM

Speaking purely for Trixie; I see two problems with this. Firstly, I don't see her being happy at the idea of being anyone's miniboss.

Secondly, she's firmly on the path to redemption, as she clearly has a good heart beneath all of her issues.

Which means that the only way to get her as part of a quirky miniboss squad would be to coerce her into it, and she would be forced by her nature to betray you by joining the protagonists at the crucial moment, or to secretly work behind your back or something. Just doesn't feel right, whatever the picture hinted at.

Can't speak for Sunset Shimmer or whatever her name is, as I haven't seen the film. Lightning Dust is grade A minion Lieutenant material though, a solid addition to a quirky miniboss squad given her borderline sociopathy and stuff.

1. True, but if I grant her stuff that increases her magical abilities without driving her insane, I think I could command her loyalty (y'know, given that she can't possibly hurt the real me).

2. I think we have already run into a big roadblock here. What you saw from Trixie's redemption was... Trixie's redemption, at face value.

What I saw was a clever schemer saying to herself, "Since the Amulet drove me insane, time to pretend to reform so that they'll never see me coming next time".

Admittedly, yours is more grounded in canon, but since there are plenty of fanfic universes where Trixie does just that, I can just grab Trixie from one of those.

3. Sunset Shimmer is problematic, true, thanks to her scheming and power-hungry nature, but I think so long as I demonstrate that she can't touch me or anything I care about, she'll do as I say because it will be in her current best interests. I can certainly offer her far better than what she had in the movie, though there are some things I will have to fix first.

I mean, what's an army of teenagers compared to a growing army of Windigoes, Hydras, and carnivorous Parasprites? But I'll have to undo the Harmony blast effect first, since I don't think anyone can fake that many tears.