Unreasonable ranting

[Jae]

I probably post new threads too often, but I couldn't help but notice there were a lot of random rants posted around and I figured it may be easier to put them in one place where you won't feel excessively whiny because the surrounding posts will be complaining just as much. :smallbiggrin:

Feel free to go on about anything you want..and feel free to answer people specifically with advice/comparison/etc.

Anddd you don't need to read the following, either, but I feel the need to rant on a bit...

Not to sound cynical, but I'm stuck in the worst mevsworld attitude. I feel nearly ridiculous going on about what I disliked about today NOT ONLY because I tend to point out what's been amazing...but also because it's here. In a forum that I can't help but feel I fail in comparison to the intelligence of most. BUT NOW I'M STUCK HERE! And the fact that it's proven to be a big confidence-boost doesn't help. It fills some time, I suppose.
Not to sound like I don't have friends, either. I very much do. I could pick somebody, rant on, and they'd probably listen...but I would hardly care because I'm arrogant. There are very few people who will carry on the kind of discussion I like. And, here begins my pretentious rant.

I'm so very sick of high school kids. I'm sick of this trend of gossip, the catty speak-only-behind-your-back attitude most girls carry on. Even the girls I do like tend to be extremely caught up in their looks or boys. And BOYS? Nearly pointless and useless weight. :smallamused: Not all of them, but they tend to be more immature. Not catty, though, which is appreciated. Point?? Why should I make the connection with people when I'm only thinking I could care less. I do have one friend, she falls under a different category. Not to sound in love with the girl, I very much am a lover of boys, but she's brilliant. If all my conversations were as philosophical as the ones we have regularly at school, I'd feel there was a point in communication. She is one of VERY FEW people I hope I know within the next ten or so years...if not only to find out if we turned out as we always planned on. I should probably tell her I'm grateful for her mind. Sounds wierd, but she'd get it. Heh. Recently started talking to somebody rather intelligent, but I feel I irritate him more than anything else. That's probably not even true, I'm so self-doubting. I need to stop.

In a completely unrelated topic, I already feel I'm losing what I most love about myself...both my passion and compassion. There is a girl my age at school with cerebal palsy..I used to make it a point to talk to her EVERY DAY just a few months ago. And then, I saw her again today. I felt guilty enough..never having spoken to her. And do you know what she said to me? "Hi, I miss you."
It broke my heart. When did I become so self-absorbed? The most ridiculous part of this is I almost didn't see her again because I was daydreaming about a CRUSH. And it may sound stupid, but thinking about it now I almost want to cry. Who am I anymore? Preaching kindness and compassion and forgetting about people who need me right here. I couldn't be more ashamed of myself. I'm making an effort to change.

And as I say this, I feel myself giving up on fighting the administration. Makes no sense to most of you, but to make a long story short: I created an on-campus club to raise money for people in Darfur and the administration is now (months later) deciding to shut me down. And I'm passionate about this, but WHY do they want to make this so hard? I simply want to help, not fight. I am so tired of fighting on things. I'd like to just simply exist for awhile, not needing to push through anything. And this wouldnt be so bad if I thought it was a one-time thing but the fact of the matter is this: helping people is my LIFE. Making a difference if my LIFE. This is simply a preview. I'm going to be fighting the rest of my life. This is what I want, I have no choice. It's just..exhausting. I sound bratty and spoiled, but I honestly feel like the world is intentionally trying to push against me a bit.

I can't even run, in fact. People seem to be convinced I'm faking, but I'm honestly not. I want to run so bad, I dreamt about it last night. But my shins have gone past pain, they BURN CONSTANTLY. And I havent been on them! I'm nervous something is actually wrong :smalleek: I just want to RACE and I'm falling behind. For ONCE I'm as good as any other JV kid out there. I'm not the slowest, not even close. My form is very well developed and my speed isn't too bad, either. But at this rate, I'm going to get out of shape while everybody else is getting it together. gah.

I'm feeling better already.

[Cobra_Ikari]

I don't have any rants to add. Just wanted to say that if anyone ever wanted to rant to someone who they know would listen...*waves*...I'm here. Yup.

*hugs*

[Dullyanna]

@Jae:I'm not trying to contradict or argue with this, but attraction to gossip and conformity have been around for a long, long time. Without any intention of getting political/controversial, I'll cite the stereotypical Victorian nobles as a prime example.

Also, the fact that you felt guilty about that disabled girl says something positive about you. Empathy and regret are terribly underrated.

[Gaelbert]

I don't have any rants to add. Just wanted to say that if anyone ever wanted to rant to someone who they know would listen...*waves*...I'm here. Yup.

*hugs*

Is that the third time you've hugged her in the last hour?:smallconfused:

And to the jealousy of all ye forumers, Jae, I'll give you a hug tomorrow. When I see you. In person. Like I do every day. (Where's the gloating smilie?)

[Cobra_Ikari]

Is that the third time you've hugged her in the last hour?:smallconfused:

And to the jealousy of all ye forumers, Jae, I'll give you a hug tomorrow. When I see you. In person. Like I do every day. (Where's the gloating smilie?)

Dude, I hug everyone. >.>

Oh, thou art cruel. But I shall subsist on my e-hugs. :P

[Raiser Blade]

I have never been hugged by you cobra...










ever.


So you haven't hugged everyone. :smalltongue:

[Cobra_Ikari]

I have never been hugged by you cobra...










ever.


So you haven't hugged everyone. :smalltongue:

Are...are you serious? I swear I've hugged you before!

*hughughughughug*

[Jae]

I'm not trying to contradict or argue with this, but attraction to gossip and conformity have been around for a long, long time. Without any intention of getting political/controversial, I'll cite the stereotypical Victorian nobles as a prime example.
Oh, no, I completely agree. However, the fact that it's existed makes me no less likely to be sickened in the fact that it absorbs so many people so completely.


Also, the fact that you felt guilty about that disabled girl says something positive about you. Empathy and regret are terribly underrated.
It also says something about me that I had ever forgotten about her. I don't know, I'd rather be harder on myself at the moment. I feel horrid, and I think maybe I need to. Definitely deserve to.


And to the jealousy of all ye forumers, Jae, I'll give you a hug tomorrow. When I see you. In person. Like I do every day. (Where's the gloating smilie?)
Where is the flattered smilie?
Oh. wait. there really is one so that's slightly less clever. oops. :smallredface:
& I think you'll forget about such a promise so I dare you. freelz.

[North]

Thats not unreasonable at all. I was expecting something to do with Crazy jack thompson.:smallmad: Yeah I lower cased his name for a reason. Hes unreasonable. Yours much reasonable, much more sane. I loved High School but it has its alias as the 12 layer of Hell for a reason.

[Raiser Blade]

Are...are you serious? I swear I've hugged you before!

*hughughughughug*


Aww how nice.

*hugs back*
*accidentally drops katana*


:smallwink:

[Uncle Festy]

I'm feeling better already.

Hooray!
I'm glad to hear that!
Oh, and Cobra's never hugged me. :smallfrown: :smalltongue:

[Cobra_Ikari]

Hooray!
I'm glad to hear that!
Oh, and Cobra's never hugged me. :smallfrown: :smalltongue:

*pouts and hugs*...now that's unfair. You didn't join until after I left!

[Kjata]

Okay, ill rant...
And this really is unreasonable bullsh**... lol...
and i use that phrase a lot, just to warn you.

I live in a tiny community 7 miles away from the town in which i live. And its bullsh**, my parents moved there so i'd be away from the city where i almost lived, which is rough and theres a lot of gangs and drugs. so now i live in an area were everyone is either rich as hell or a redneck. I have millionaires across the street and next door, and .5 miles away there are poeplewith nothing. Its bullsh**. And I dont fit in with either. I get along with 2 people within 7 miles. One plays warhammer and DnD, and the other smokes a lot, and is popular at school. Im popular at school. I get invited to parties i can't go to because of transportation, and its bullsh**. And i have to wait until october to drive, which is fine, thats my fault. But now i can't go to parties, make more friends, nothing.

And, i lost interest in warhammer because i only have 1 person to play with.MY grey knights beat his nids and his ogres beat my skaven. EVERY. DAMN. TIME.

[Goats_o_Mjolnir]

@Jae: Sadly Jae, this is the burden of being more mature than your age, everyone else around you seems catty and far too obsessed with American Idol. However, recognizing there are other like minded individuals is Defintely a boost. Im a college freshman now, but your school experience reminds me a lot of my own, so I had to toss in my 2-cents :D Heck, if you wanna see how bad my school was, look up The Monroe Woodbury food fight/riot on youtube, that was my freshman year and it really opened up my eyes.

Also a minor rant:

I am not racist , the lotto machine was broken!

ok, better

[Gaelbert]

This one? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRESQQThc84)
How did that happen? What happened afterwards? Tell me! I must know everything!

Now I need some way to top that. Maybe if we started in the amphitheater...

[FireFox]

I don't have any rants to add. Just wanted to say that if anyone ever wanted to rant to someone who they know would listen...*waves*...I'm here. Yup.

*hugs*

I second this, w/o the hugging though. I'm here several times a day, I try to care about people more and more, but most importantly, I am a good nonjugdemental listener if you want to pm me something that cant be posted.

oh, and according to my few freinds i am good at solving problems as well...

[Cobra_Ikari]

Okay, ill rant...
And this really is unreasonable bullsh**... lol...
and i use that phrase a lot, just to warn you.

I live in a tiny community 7 miles away from the town in which i live. And its bullsh**, my parents moved there so i'd be away from the city where i almost lived, which is rough and theres a lot of gangs and drugs. so now i live in an area were everyone is either rich as hell or a redneck. I have millionaires across the street and next door, and .5 miles away there are poeplewith nothing. Its bullsh**. And I dont fit in with either. I get along with 2 people within 7 miles. One plays warhammer and DnD, and the other smokes a lot, and is popular at school. Im popular at school. I get invited to parties i can't go to because of transportation, and its bullsh**. And i have to wait until october to drive, which is fine, thats my fault. But now i can't go to parties, make more friends, nothing.

And, i lost interest in warhammer because i only have 1 person to play with.MY grey knights beat his nids and his ogres beat my skaven. EVERY. DAMN. TIME.

We could be neighbors! Next time I'm in town, I'll give ya a ride. Because I know how much that sucks. *hugs*

Also, is it just me, or are most of the "really mature for their age" people mildly depressed?

[North]

On riots. Edmonton had a bad one on Canada Day...2001ish? Just a very large bunch of dumbasses with too much too drink got very rowdy and decided to trash a couple streets. Then during the play off run a couple years ago it repeated itself.

Damn jerks are giving drinkers like me a bad name :smallmad:

YouTube Whyte Ave Riot or Edmonton Canada day riot for footage......

[Dullyanna]

Oh, no, I completely agree. However, the fact that it's existed makes me no less likely to be sickened in the fact that it absorbs so many people so completely.

What I'm trying to say is (Without trying to be pessimistic) idiots are a fact of life, and it's important that you don't let them get under your skin. That said, it's my humble opinion that a rant posted on a forum is far more constructive than some would think.


It also says something about me that I had ever forgotten about her. I don't know, I'd rather be harder on myself at the moment. I feel horrid, and I think maybe I need to. Definitely deserve to.

This might sound cheesy and trite, but "good" people tend to be harder on themselves than they should be. Looking on the bright side, that's a far better alternative to being a flippant, unrepentant **** about the whole thing, like so many people at would do at your school (And mine, for that matter).

@Cobra Ikari:It's definitely not just you. In my humble opinion, "mild" depression merely comes with a realistic view of the world and a good bit of self-awareness.

[Jimblee]

I think the most frequent complaint around is anxiety about "not fitting in". I really don't get whats so great about fitting in, anyway.

People are generally loud, obnoxious, stupid, and get in your way. I mean, people sit and frown about how they're not friends with lame idiots. Whats so important about fitting in with those freaks, anyway?

I mean, the fact that you can see how stupid they are is an advantage. Stupid people actually fear intelligent people. You know why? Because you can control them, and you're always right. Who wants to be weak and wrong? And if they don't listen to you - screw 'em, you were right and they were wrong, score one you.

Also, @being hard on yourself: don't be. Its really that simple. Sadness, anger, all that - they're like record players. It keeps on playing as long as the needle's stuck on; lift it up for a minute and it turns off on it's own. Well, maybe not record players, but you get the idea. Stop feeding the emotion, and the emotion stops, and then you go off to be joyous again

[FireFox]

Also, is it just me, or are most of the "really mature for their age" people mildly depressed?

not just you, I am in High School but I am more mature then 90% of my peers, and i am misanthropic, cynical, and perpetually depressed. wow, we have something in common, don't hug me for that. please don't.

[North]

Id consider myself mildly depressed, but thats also related to considering myself not mature enough for my age. *Dodges selfangsty rant*

[MisterSaturnine]

Well, responding to the boys are useless weight--ever heard that alternative Adam and Even creation myth (the one with a punchline)? I'm actually a big fan.

I'm still in high school, but I kind of see it this way. There's this thing you wouldn't be opposed to having about 100 yards away from you. Let's say it's a pineapple smoothie that you've heard tastes pretty good. Problem is, there's a bed of hot coals in front of you, and your shoes have been stolen by horrible tentacle-monkeys.

I don't know if that helps, but...yeah. Just remember: tentacle-monkeys.

And now my own mini-rant.

I just want to give a special, "[insert expletive here] you!" to my sense of timing. I was planning to ask someone out a while back, and I only get to see them at my stand-up class. First, she's got a thing to do. Then, I'm sick. Then, she's sick. Last week I actually went and got a belated V-Day gift (our classes are on Sunday)...and she dropped out of the class, because she's too busy.

Time is most definitely not on my side. :smallfurious:

[Dullyanna]

@Jimblee:Here's an analogy, to describe the problem some people (Myself included) have with just ignoring them (I really hope nobody takes this the wrong way): I live in a neighborhood full of dogs, many of which are either small and yappy, or large, male, and overly territorial. Thus when I go on a walk, I'm invariably barked at by at least one mutt per street, 'til I exit their line of sight, and their attention span. Normally, it doesn't bother me much, unless:A. They're particularly loud;B.there's a whole ****ing lot of them, or; C. I'm in a crappy mood. If one or more of those are the case, then it's that much harder not to yell at them ,even though they're just stupid dogs who'll forget about me when I'm gone.

Also (And I'm not trying to be snarky or hostile with this), but some people (Including me... again) are pretty sensitive, and/or can't control their emotions very well.

[Cobra_Ikari]

I just want to give a special, "[insert expletive here] you!" to my sense of timing. I was planning to ask someone out a while back, and I only get to see them at my stand-up class. First, she's got a thing to do. Then, I'm sick. Then, she's sick. Last week I actually went and got a belated V-Day gift (our classes are on Sunday)...and she dropped out of the class, because she's too busy.

Time is most definitely not on my side. :smallfurious:

...and there's no other time you can see her? :smallfrown: *hugs*

...that said, when I started reading, I was expecting the conclusion of "...and some other guy asked her out the day before.". *hugs*...keep at it, man!

[MisterSaturnine]

...and there's no other time you can see her? :smallfrown: *hugs*

...that said, when I started reading, I was expecting the conclusion of "...and some other guy asked her out the day before.". *hugs*...keep at it, man!

Yeah, I suppose it'd be worse if someone else asked her out. I mean, she's given pretty promising signs, but hey, she's one hell of a girl, so I'd be surprised if someone else who sees her more often finds success before I do.

There's one time I'll probably get to see her, which is at Bye Bye Birdie, the musical our school's putting on (I'm Albert! :smallbiggrin:). Unfortunately, that's in 3 weeks.

[Jae]

:smallconfused:

I am not depressed, angry, or overcome with negative emotions. I do in fact love my life to it's fullest extent. I appreciate it for what it is. And I am hard on myself, but I love that about me. How would I ever improve if I didnt?

If anything, I dislike the surrounding people. I very much like myself.

So I hope I didn't send off this entirely emo, depressed vibe. It was just a big long rant about what irritates me :smallannoyed: Really, theres nothing to analyze from it except maybe my arrogance in acting like the surrounding people are lesser than. Which, mostly, I don't think. It's just that if I get too caught up in their mindset of whodidwhat and omgz hot guy I'm likely to do something like forget a girl with cerebral palsy. I don't need that distraction, and I'm already very absorbed in the latter of that sentence. (Ridiculously.)

@saturnine. I partially understand the situation, if it's any consolation. At least she's showing promising signs and hasn't expressed her affection for somebody else. :smallannoyed:

[Raider]

My life is pretty great right now. I've finally met a girl that really gets me. We are so alike and just click in everyway. My brother got a DUI the other day and this kinda pissed me off. I mean this is his second one in 3 months, you'd think he'd be more careful.

Gears of War 2 just got announced and still NO CHAINSAW ROCKET LAUNCHERS. Whats a guy gotta do to get frickin chainsaw rocket launchers?

[Cobra_Ikari]

:smallconfused:

I am not depressed, angry, or overcome with negative emotions. I do in fact love my life to it's fullest extent. I appreciate it for what it is. And I am hard on myself, but I love that about me. How would I ever improve if I didnt?

If anything, I dislike the surrounding people. I very much like myself.

So I hope I didn't send off this entirely emo, depressed vibe. It was just a big long rant about what irritates me :smallannoyed: Really, theres nothing to analyze from it except maybe my arrogance in acting like the surrounding people are lesser than. Which, mostly, I don't think. It's just that if I get too caught up in their mindset of whodidwhat and omgz hot guy I'm likely to do something like forget a girl with cerebral palsy. I don't need that distraction, and I'm already very absorbed in the latter of that sentence. (Ridiculously.)

@saturnine. I partially understand the situation, if it's any consolation. At least she's showing promising signs and hasn't expressed her affection for somebody else. :smallannoyed:

*holds up hands in surrender*...whoa now! Wasn't talking about you particularly, just a comment about people I've know. Sorry if I offended. For the record, I think that's an awesome mindset, and I'm a little jealous of you.

Once again, sorry.

[Dullyanna]

@Jae:That's an excellent way to look at things. Furthermore, your rant came off as justified, as opposed to arrogant (To me, at least), and it sounds like you're a much more positive person than me. I just tried to give advice to you because... uh... well that's how I respond to rants (If I respond to them).

Edit:Cobra, I think that may've been directed at me, since I'm the one giving her advice she doesn't need.

[MisterSaturnine]

I have a weird mind set that probably isn't entirely healthy, but I view life as a very elaborate joke. Most of the time the humor's more than a little dark and sarcastic, but it actually really helps me keep a positive outlook on life. In some sick way, everything is funny. There is some bitter irony in every negative thing in my life, and it helps for me to be able to laugh at it, appreciate the joke, and move on with my life.

[Dullyanna]

@MisterSaturnine:As long as you don't take the "joke" too far, there's nothing wrong with the way you think. Hell, there's quite a few people share your sentiments ,including me... I've got to stop say... er... typing that.

[MisterSaturnine]

Well, if I took things too far, I'd end up a whackjob supervillain. Worse yet, I'd be a cliched and uninteresting supervillain. So that's out. :smallwink:

But yeah, Jae's way is better. I just tend to personify things (like inanimate objects, or abstract concepts). And then talk to them.

[Zarrexaij]

Man I understand that so much, especially the teenager (even though I am one) and the can't run part (I can't run because I have asthma though). I'm surrrounded by idiots. :smallsigh: All the people I really enjoy talking to are either in college or no longer in high school (my ex and one of his friends). Even the people that I thought were okay turned out to be whiney, self-absorbed, shallow brats that only really like other people like them. They treated me like such beepity beep I got tired of it. Never there for me, just for all the similiar *******s they knew. :smallsigh: :smallsigh: :smallsigh:

I don't mean to upstage you, but here's something I found out that really teed me off today:

I found out this incredibly ****ing stupid blond in my AP Calculus class is also going to be a valedictorian, which is completely unfair. She's taken a bunch of really easy classes, especially this year, not to mention the whole "she's about as bright as a sack of potatoes" thing. The AP exams she has taken, she has scored 1's on. On the two I took last year, I got 4's, my ACT is 30, most of my classes I've considered difficult (except for some core classes we did nothing in, and the very few classes I've had to take because I had taken everything else). See why I'm upset here?! She's in the same 'class' as me, yet I don't think she deserves it at all. She just tries way too hard to fit in with the AP crowd but she doesn't cut it. :smallsigh:

Yeah, I know, I'm griping about something insignificant, but it really gets on my nerves for some reason.

[Cobra_Ikari]

Man I understand that so much, especially the teenager (even though I am one) and the can't run part (I can't run because I have asthma though). I'm surrrounded by idiots. :smallsigh: All the people I really enjoy talking to are either in college or no longer in high school (my ex and one of his friends). Even the people that I thought were okay turned out to be whiney, self-absorbed, shallow brats that only really like other people like them. They treated me like such beepity beep I got tired of it. Never there for me, just for all the similiar *******s they knew. :smallsigh: :smallsigh: :smallsigh:

I don't mean to upstage you, but here's something I found out that really teed me off today:

I found out this incredibly ****ing stupid blond in my AP Calculus class is also going to be a valedictorian, which is completely unfair. She's taken a bunch of really easy classes, especially this year, not to mention the whole "she's about as bright as a sack of potatoes" thing. The AP exams she has taken, she has scored 1's on. On the two I took last year, I got 4's, my ACT is 30, most of my classes I've considered difficult (except for some core classes we did nothing in, and the very few classes I've had to take because I had taken everything else). See why I'm upset here?! She's in the same 'class' as me, yet I don't think she deserves it at all. She just tries way too hard to fit in with the AP crowd but she doesn't cut it. :smallsigh:

Yeah, I know, I'm griping about something insignificant, but it really gets on my nerves for some reason.

It's trivializing your hard work?

Also, AP Calc. Good time. *grins* Thanks for the memories.

[Jimblee]

Also (And I'm not trying to be snarky or hostile with this), but some people (Including me... again) are pretty sensitive, and/or can't control their emotions very well.

Nonsense, everyone can do everything. Its all in the mind. If you believe you can't control your emotions, then you can't control your emotions. Trouble is, people who can't control their emotions usually get upset at this knowledge - I attribute it to their secretly knowing the truth, and so, knowing their weakness, react in natural anger. If you feel emotions, and can't control them, then its because another emotion is telling you that you can't control that emotion, thus entering a vicious circle. Maybe its just me, but knowing this was quite a relief


Well, if I took things too far, I'd end up a whackjob supervillain. Worse yet, I'd be a cliched and uninteresting supervillain. So that's out. :smallwink:

I totally know what you mean. I'm told more often than I like that I'm going to end up on T.V. some way or another. Then again, they take me way too seriously

[Zarrexaij]

It's trivializing your hard work?

Also, AP Calc. Good time. *grins* Thanks for the memories.Damn right I think it's trivializing my hard work. At least I don't think there's another valedictiorian here that can claim they are a certified (disclaimer: I am A+ Certified, which I know isn't all that much, but I'd definitely know what I'd be doing) PC technician. :smallwink:

AP Calc has had some good times, I wish we'd go faster however.

[Cobra_Ikari]

Damn right I think it's trivializing my hard work. At least I don't think there's another valedictiorian here that can claim they are a certified (disclaimer: I am A+ Certified, which I know isn't all that much, but I'd definitely know what I'd be doing) PC technician. :smallwink:

AP Calc has had some good times, I wish we'd go faster however.

*hugs*...awesome for ya, man!

Our valedictorian was the girl who cried the one time she got a B on a quiz. I realized I had no shot at beating ehr out at around this time. :P

Also, I'd like to apologize in advance if I offend anyone, since I know I seem to treat some serious things far too lightly. It's my way of dealing with it. *hugs*

Not that that's related to the rest of this post, mind.

EDIT: I slept through most of AP Calc, I'm afraid, but the parts I remember were good.

[North]

...and there's no other time you can see her? :smallfrown: *hugs*

...that said, when I started reading, I was expecting the conclusion of "...and some other guy asked her out the day before.". *hugs*...keep at it, man!

Yeah, its after the some other guy beat you to it, that you start kicking yourself in the head. Or shin if your not bendy like gumby.

[Dullyanna]

@Jimblee:I think I'll just disagree with you and leave it at that, as opposed to arguing about it. But just so you know, I'm not ignoring the truth about my self!!!:smallfurious: ...:smalltongue:

[Cobra_Ikari]

Yeah, its after the some other guy beat you to it, that you start kicking yourself in the head. Or shin if your not bendy like gumby.

I do that after I help set her up with the other guy because I know she likes him more than she likes me. >.>

[FireFox]

I do that after I help set her up with the other guy because I know she likes him more than she likes me. >.>

you... you are...

wow, i am not used to dealing with people this nice... no1 i know comes close to you...

[Cobra_Ikari]

you... you are...

wow, i am not used to dealing with people this nice... no1 i know comes close to you...

I'm not really that nice of a person, but thank you. *hugs*

[MisterSaturnine]

I totally know what you mean. I'm told more often than I like that I'm going to end up on T.V. some way or another. Then again, they take me way too seriously

I can say the same. I'm basically the class villain. I spout something about blood and hellfire and the dead devouring the living, they nod (it's not like it's something they haven't heard from me before), and if applicable, tell me to put the scissors down. Then we go back to analyzing the text. :smallyuk:

Oh, and from what I've seen Cobra, you're one of the nicer people here. And that's saying something.

[Jagg]

Jae,

I'm not sure if anyone raised this with you yet....so I will. I wanted to talk about this bit....



And as I say this, I feel myself giving up on fighting the administration. Makes no sense to most of you, but to make a long story short: I created an on-campus club to raise money for people in Darfur and the administration is now (months later) deciding to shut me down. And I'm passionate about this, but WHY do they want to make this so hard? I simply want to help, not fight. I am so tired of fighting on things. I'd like to just simply exist for awhile, not needing to push through anything. And this wouldnt be so bad if I thought it was a one-time thing but the fact of the matter is this: helping people is my LIFE. Making a difference if my LIFE. This is simply a preview. I'm going to be fighting the rest of my life. This is what I want, I have no choice. It's just..exhausting. I sound bratty and spoiled, but I honestly feel like the world is intentionally trying to push against me a bit.

Not sure if I can be my usual eloquent self here. If I stuff it up or I need to explain in more detail, please ask. OK what we have here is called an IMBALANCE OF POWER.

You are currently involved in a negotiation and in this negotiation you are in the position (or perceived in the position) of having a lessor amount of power. There is also the question of whether this negotiation is co-operative or competitive. Co-operative for example is a union negotiation, where there will be an ongoing relationship and future negotiation and you try and get to a win-win solution. Competitive negotiation for example is when you go buy a car, where you will never see the salesperson again, and you just want to shaft the salesperson for as low a price as possible.

You need to ascertain which of these this negotiation is. Competitive or co-operative. It sounds like they are just trying to shut you down and not give you any explanation as to why. They think they can get away with this because of the perceived imbalance of power. They are being COMPETITIVE because they hold all the cards as it were. So change the balance. The media is your friend here, even something small like a letter to the editor of your local paper to highlight the issue and express your feelings (be sure not to slander anyone) could change your circumstances. Of course you need to find out that it is not being shut down for a VALID reason, such as OHS, Complaints, etc.

What ever you decide to do, you need to change their perception of you having a lessor amount of power than they do. My suggestion.

Write a letter to the administration along these lines.
Dear Whosit,
cc. Editor of local newspaper

As you are aware I started an on campus club to raise funds for charity for the people of Darfur. I am distressed that you are now attempting to shut down this club. In addition to this no reason has been given for the decision. I do not understand what the motivation of the school is for taking this action against what is essentially a charity. Why would the Administration want to open themselves up to a potential loss in reputation to their public image? Surely your public persona would benefit from showing that it supports charities and has a social conscience, rather than coming off in a negative fashion. I'm willing to work towards a mutually satisfactory solution to this issue at your convenience and my contact details are below.

The reporter who gets that e-mail in his/her inbox will be your best friend.

[North]

I do that after I help set her up with the other guy because I know she likes him more than she likes me. >.>

Ouch. My limit is helping the girls I like with their relationship problems. Sabotaging the current relationship would cheepen what I want. Although its damn tempting sometimes:smallsigh:

[Jae]

Oh, I apologize if I sounded sharp there. It was a general statement, and I wasn't really upset about it or anything.

But, anyways, Jagg..

Trust me, I'm on it. The fact of the matter is, they do expect me to go peacefully. I don't plan to. Although they gave an "explanation" (coughcough excuse coughcough), it wasn't directed towards me. No no no, I'm only a student therefore I probably couldnt even comprehend the message.

Currently getting emails of the local newspaper, planning a meeting for the "former" members of the club, and asking a very trusted friend if she may type up a petition for me. Not that I haven't done petitions..heh, my first was at nine. (I was quite the little activist..) But, I'm a little out of my head right now. I'm quite passionate toward the entire thing, and thus thinking a lot less logically. I need something to go off of, and I trust her dearly to give me an eloquent rough draft kind of thing.

I'm completely and utterly ready to fight this. In fact, the first thing I said when I found out was "you just let them know that I have no problem with news articles." The problem is definitely not that I can't or that I'm not organized enough, I surely am. What would be closer to the truth is to say that I don't want to have to.

I mean, it's a lot of publicity, and I don't mind that. I am just far too tired to be eager about it. I will do it and effectively, but it will take a lot of time and effort. And, like I believe I said earlier, sometimes I'd much rather be simply left alone to do what I want than hassled. Especially because I know my age plays such a significant factor, and I hate being stuck in that way.

But, it is not a problem that can be helped.


Although its damn tempting sometimes
SECONDED!
I'd feel too horrible, though.

[Jagg]

Oh, I apologize if I sounded sharp there. It was a general statement, and I wasn't really upset about it or anything.

But, anyways, Jagg..

Trust me, I'm on it. The fact of the matter is, they do expect me to go peacefully. I don't plan to. Although they gave an "explanation" (coughcough excuse coughcough), it wasn't directed towards me. No no no, I'm only a student therefore I probably couldnt even comprehend the message.

Currently getting emails of the local newspaper, planning a meeting for the "former" members of the club, and asking a very trusted friend if she may type up a petition for me. Not that I haven't done petitions..heh, my first was at nine. (I was quite the little activist..) But, I'm a little out of my head right now. I'm quite passionate toward the entire thing, and thus thinking a lot less logically. I need something to go off of, and I trust her dearly to give me an eloquent rough draft kind of thing.

I'm completely and utterly ready to fight this. In fact, the first thing I said when I found out was "you just let them know that I have no problem with news articles." The problem is definitely not that I can't or that I'm not organized enough, I surely am. What would be closer to the truth is to say that I don't want to have to.

I mean, it's a lot of publicity, and I don't mind that. I am just far too tired to be eager about it. I will do it and effectively, but it will take a lot of time and effort. And, like I believe I said earlier, sometimes I'd much rather be simply left alone to do what I want than hassled. Especially because I know my age plays such a significant factor, and I hate being stuck in that way.

But, it is not a problem that can be helped.


SECONDED!
I'd feel too horrible, though.

Jae,
I just wanted you to be aware of the relative power positions that may be influencing their decision. If they harp on about your age....remind them of Ryans Well. http://www.ryanswell.ca/ Now maybe they have a valid reason for trying to shut you down (but I doubt it) it also might be worthwhile to try a bluff first rather than an action. That way you don't need to feel eager about potential media attention. (The "letter" above says CC'd to media, but doesn't necessarily have to be sent).

Being the revolutionary that I am I would also find out if it's possible to destabilize from within. :devil: Check and make sure that your teachers know what is going on. Most teachers (and my wife is a teacher so I have a little experience) are instructed to build up students in terms of morale and confidence, not tear them down. Therefore I'd talk to ALL your teachers, maybe you can get the staff talking about it and get some pressure from within the organisation on the decision maker. Try and avoid ultimatums, but make sure that they know that there is an easy option (which is to dialogue with you and open negotiations) or a hard option, where external pressure is applied. Everyone likes to take the easy option if feasible, so make it easy for them to do so by having all your ducks in a row. (suggest for example that they meet with the actual charity on who's behalf you are collecting).

If you need someone to bounce idea's off of my inbox is always open

JAGG

[zeratul]

We could be neighbors! Next time I'm in town, I'll give ya a ride. Because I know how much that sucks. *hugs*

Also, is it just me, or are most of the "really mature for their age" people mildly depressed?

Oh it's true, plenty of prime examples round these parts. *points at self*

[Goats_o_Mjolnir]

Its like Ive just found all the brothers and sisters I could ever want WOO!

on a very serious note:
I dont understand religous people, Im not trying to light fires or start trouble, but you see my girlfriend of two and a half years died in a car crash, and all I hear is that "He has a plan". Since when did his plan involve stealing the woman I loved and cutting a young life short? He in my eyes is a bully, I believe in a higher power, but nothing should have the right to judge me. I dont know, I miss her so much, and I seriously could of seen us with a future. It was her that had me go into Radio because I love social interaction, and to make people smile. She called me her hero, and her husband of the heart. So why couldnt I save her? Not a day goes by that I dont see somthing that reminds me of her, I just wanna hold her in my arms and never let go, but instead she's buried in a cemetary next to her grandfather, I just dont know what to do guys, I just dont know anymore


....yeah, sorry about the rant, I feel better when things are let out in some format...yeah

[Shraik]

*looks at new thread, enjoys new thread smell*
I actually have nothing to rant about. Odd. If anyone needs to rant, I'm willing to listen. Just PM or something.

[Hell Puppi]

Okay, I have 2 things I'd like to rant on, but I'm only going to do one, because the first one I can't do much about. The second one is an odd sort of situation I've found myself in.

Earlier (as in several months ago) I posted a rant on someone I highly disliked. I had good reasons for disliking her. Then this person moved in with my friend Tyler (who had an ENORMOUS crush on her for years) and his wife Jess. I didn't know much about Jess until we met at our mutual friend Zach's wedding. Because she was friends with the person I don't like (we'll call her Jay), I figured she probably didn't want to be around me. Not so. Jess hated having Jay around and admitted that the only reason she was friends with Jay was because she was afraid of Jay trying to come on to Tyler.
With me so far? Okay.
Well a few months pass and Jay, who lives with her parents, had to have a place to stay because her parents were getting a new house. So Jess and Tyler offered her a place to stay. She ended up staying three months longer than intended, and poor Jess was over at our apartment almost every night because she was so upset (Jess is a very sweet girl and doesn't want to say anything to Jay). Jay takes constant advantage of Jess, who's 6 years her junior, coming crying whenever she messes up or just lashing out at her when she has a bad day.
Then we get news that Jay is going to live with her now-fiance. Somewhere on the east coast. I forget where. Yay! I think. No one will have to deal with her (the epic amount of drama this woman has caused would fill a book)!
Wait, I think. Fiance? I know she (Jay) slept with my friend Scott only a few months ago. I ask Jess if she was dating this guy (shane) at the time. Yup. Turns out she had cheated on him before that and had ended up getting drunk and crying to Jess about it, but never telling Shane. I also get an e-mail from my brother saying Jay is trying to hook up with him. Awesome, but this isn't my problem, right?
Well, Shane is in the military. My husband and father have both been in the military. I hear plenty of horror stories about guys with cheating wives. This is not good. Shane is (from what everyone has told me, I've never met him) a great guy.

Now here's my problem- I know there's a bunch of military guys floating around here, so I'd like your opinion, though anyone's is welcome. Should I attempt to warn Shane? Should I just let it go? It's no secret that Jay and I don't get along (and for good reason), but my friend Scott (who is also in the military) would consider warning him if I asked.
I know me getting into it would only create more problems, and I would be happy to be rid of Jay for Jess's sake, but I can't help but feel guilty at the same time for knowing this and not warning the guy.
The alternate is that I only feel guilty because I don't like Jay, and that I may be considering doing this just for a chance to get back at her.



Wow, that was long. Thoughts? Questions?



@Goats_o_Mjolnir:
Sometimes people say stupid things when they don't know what else to say. I know I've done it when I found out someone has died, or when someone has presented a problem to which I have no solution. For most religious people, it's almost their safety net. It would mean something if you were religious when people said 'it's all part of the plan', because they would accept that and try and move on. For those of us that don't have that, it seems hollow and condescending. It's usually not meant to be, but it comes across that way. I guess the best thing to do would be to think of it as 'that's their way of dealing with it, not mine', and go on from there. If they try and push the issue, well then they're being self-righteous and have no right to impose their viewpoint on someone who is arguably suffering.
Also, I don't mean to push my own views onto you, it's just my way of looking at it.

[North]

Through past experience, Mine and my friends, this can go down badly. This has happened too many times that Ive heard of.....

You/Scott tell Shane he disbelieves but confronts her anyways. She says who are you going to believe me or some skanky stranger that you've never even met? He folds, "believes" her because he wants to believe that she wouldnt do it. They have some fights but patch it over anyways. So you and your friends get dragged through a horrible dramatic rollercoaster for nothing.

Of course thats just a bad case scenario. Ive just been finding it to often to discount.:smallsigh:

[Hell Puppi]

@^Indeed, it's just...irritating....I have no doubt this exactly what she would do, but..arg...

Sorry,this whole situation just presses some many buttons it's irritating. She's put her whole mind into this 'military wife' mindset when she can't even keep her pants on for a month.
Then there's the fact that she's accused me of cheating, and asked my then-boyfriend 'how he could be with someone like me, because she could never be in that kind of relationship'. Double arg.

*sigh* I'm just going to have to accept that there's nothing I can do about it, although the need to confront at least her is overwhelming.

Apologies for the rant. I'm just going to have to accept this is just another irritating facet of what is a very irritating person and let it go. Thank you all for letting me blow off some steam.

[Quincunx]

I don't have any advice that's printable on this board! :smallbiggrin:
Well, one: if you don't say anything, that'll get her out of your friend's house faster. Just think of it as parking the dumpster behind someone else's business.

[Cobra_Ikari]

Ouch. My limit is helping the girls I like with their relationship problems. Sabotaging the current relationship would cheepen what I want. Although its damn tempting sometimes:smallsigh:

You misunderstand. I helped her get a date with the other guy, not sabotaged anything. I'm not the kind of guy who could do that, either.

[Jae]

Now I need some way to top that. Maybe if we started in the amphitheater...
:smallannoyed: Then do it in the name of something or you're going to ruin my entire fight for Darfur

AND:

Jae, I'll give you a hug tomorrow.
mentiroso!

Jagg-
I've definitely done all of the suggested. I mean, I found out weeks ago I believe..when it wasn't "final." It was stated I'd continue to fight this situation. Apparently, even with threats, it isn't expected of me.

Their reason is absolutely and utterly invalid. In short, it doesn't benefit the kids at school, it sends charity to those who are starving. Therefore, we are horrid little people. The irony in this is the constitution that reached me isn't even clear on the matter. If I were them, I would have said directly benefits. I would have had a much harder time fighting that. Instead, though, they're making this all too easy on me.

In all honesty, upon reading it I actually thought wow, are you honestly that dense? Or is this a joke? Turns out it isn't.

Definitely talked to teachers and staff on campus..everybody is against the opinion of the administration. I've had some teachers fight for me, to no avail.


on a very serious note:..

My condolences, sincerely. I can't even imagine how that must feel. People certainly shouldn't be saying such things to you, being that you were so close to her. This past summer a truly amazing person, rest her soul, passed and I often let her family tell me things like "God has a plan" or "she's in a better place." But to comfort them as opposed to myself who, although I saw her everyday and appreciated all her support, was not as close. It should definitely not be the other way around, though. Maybe they are trying to comfort themselves?

My PM box is always open. And you neednt fear any pressing issues on religion from me, if you feel like discussing a hateful relationship you feel toward whichever higher power. I'm Atheist, thus I never feel the need to be all "well, love God newaiz =]" I hear it's helpful to not have said pressure. (Not at all to say all religious people do so, don't take offense.)


Because she was friends with the person I don't like (we'll call her Jay
)
:smallconfused: Orrrr we could not. :smallamused:
I wish I could actually help. Unfortunately, I'm horrible with reading a significant amount of names in a short time. I'd have to re-read that ten times to get even an idea.

Heh come to think of it, probably the same reason I don't like gossip. I literally can't. :smallcool:

[Lyesmith]

I'm going to back up the "Adanced maturity comes with depression" thing.
I have been mistaken for many times my age before, which is in itsself somewhat depressing.
The main body of my rant i'll spoler because it may or may not be too long, meandering, bitter and too immature. and badly spelled, but it's nearly midnight and the stuff i'm taking messes me up midly. Also, LONG. (seriously)

So then. Well. I hate my school. really, really hate it. I'm not too fond of a lot of stuff in my life generally, but whining about it would be petty and too stupid. I mean, i've had a pretty good life compared to people with crippling disabilites, and those growing up in warzones, and i've got a comfortable life.

Back to my point. I dislike my school, and most of the people there. Mainly because they are ugly, petty, stupid and generally unworth of the life they have. I'm not especially bullied, but that's probably more a sign of pity than anything else, i suppose. I'm prone to bad moodswings, the more gloomy ones just give this overall sesne of futility. I'm prone to paranoia, neglecting studies because 'what's the point? i'll probably just die anyway.' - That statement was one i wish i'd never have said. Landed me som appointments with a crackpot who wanted 'to help me greive after my mothers death'. I mean, yes, fair enough. They were probably right to try and get help for the perpetually quiet kid who was prone to bouts of gloom after watching his mother slowly die and wither from the wonderful person she once was into a lifeless shadow. Fair enough,i'm not the picture of health, mentally or phsycially. And yes, i'm smart. Whoop do, that'll get me like, nowhere. It's frustrating. Utter twunts like Wayne Rooney and his ugly girlfreind get millions, and truly good people like so many of the forumits have such difficult lives. I'd be bitter about that, but there really isnt any justice anyway, so what's the point?

Goodness. i've forgotten what i was saying. Oh yes, school, and the whiny, ugly, crappy, snotty little kids who dwell there. I'm so sick of the place, so sick of not being as good as other people at the things i like doing. And sure, crappy little awards and bits of recognition arent really meaning that much, but it'd be nice to get a bit of encouragement. Or, if that fails, just a nice heavy object and some distracted classmates. What society can't fix, trauma to the back of the skull with a blunt object might be able to. Of course, i can't just kill all my prblems away. I'm sure there's a lot of stuff wrong simply because i want to do it. I never would, you know? just...theres a bit that whispers in my ear and it's kinda calming to know that they may be totall undeserving of the lives they have but any one person with a halfbrick can end that. It's a small comfort. None of them suffer, thats the problem. They're all so hopelessly optimistic. It's maddening. And those that arent are allways crying over the slightest little thing so you become desensetised to it anyway. Maybe that's the source of it all. i'm just...not sensetive to death anymore. i'm not even sure if i'm capable of "advanced" emotions anymore. I've had a girlfreind, and there was the whole "i love you" thing, but...i dunno, it wasnt, not really. But the whole death thing, it's...discomforting to know that i'm wishing death on all these people simply because i'm a bit alienated from everything. I know what losing someone you love does to you. it makes you a wreck. My father isnt the same anymore, and i've certainly changed. much more for the worse. I kinda just want to be a kid again. no big school, just...comfort at home and friends who i actually like, rather than those i've got this creeping feeling are only putting up with me 'cause of bad history and guilt.

C'est la vie.
It did feel nice, though, to pour out my heart to the Inter Net.
Thank you for reading / skimming / whatever.
Maybe this oen belongs in Depression? I dont really think so, but...meh.

[Jagg]

mentiroso!

Jagg-
I've definitely done all of the suggested. I mean, I found out weeks ago I believe..when it wasn't "final." It was stated I'd continue to fight this situation. Apparently, even with threats, it isn't expected of me.

Their reason is absolutely and utterly invalid. In short, it doesn't benefit the kids at school, it sends charity to those who are starving. Therefore, we are horrid little people. The irony in this is the constitution that reached me isn't even clear on the matter. If I were them, I would have said directly benefits. I would have had a much harder time fighting that. Instead, though, they're making this all too easy on me.

In all honesty, upon reading it I actually thought wow, are you honestly that dense? Or is this a joke? Turns out it isn't.

Definitely talked to teachers and staff on campus..everybody is against the opinion of the administration. I've had some teachers fight for me, to no avail.

Well it sounds like you have a good handle on the situation. I therefore only have a couple of other pieces of advice (which admittedly may be Australia centric and not apply).

Hardball
A) Directly approach the school board (if your school has a local board of members).
B) Directly approach the parents advocacy group. [In all schools in Australia there are two ways for them to get government grant money - this applies to both private and state run schools. 1) is the schools own administration can apply for Grants directly. 2) The Parents advocacy group (which can go by various names) can also apply for grant monies and some grants can ONLY be granted by these applications] If you can get this group on your side you have the ability to FINANCIALLY impact the school.]
C) Witnesses and recording devices are your friends.
D) Contact whoever it is you are collecting for and ask for support.
E) Contact other similar charities and let them know (IE Kids for Kids if UK, Red Cross USA etc)
F) Contact any charity with political Oomf that you may be thinking of collecting for in the future. Eg Greenpeace.

Softball. Also some sneaky and underhanded tactics
a) Ask the administration for what application forms are needed for a camera crew to enter the premises.
b) Send out a flyer to every teacher asking them for permission to be "interviewed".
c) Ask for the contact details of the Public Relations officer for the school district.
d) Ask where you would find FOI (Freedom of Information) materials concerning the schools internal records.
e) Spin is your friend. Be upset and cry (It's a terrible thing to do to guys especially) during every class, make sure people know it's because of the pressure that the administration is putting you under. If you are called to the principal's office, when there hyperventilate and shut yourself in the bathroom. Get yourself sent to the school nurse. Describe clinical depression symptoms.

I'm not sure how you want to play it, so i gave you some ideas both hard and soft/sneaky. I suppose it depends whether you are a barbarian or a rogue :smallbiggrin:

JAGG

[Kelp]

Hmm, you gotta tell me how this Admin fight turns out? K? :smallbiggrin: well anyway, can any of you smart computer people help me on this? Okay, here goes:

My parents have complete control over my computer, crappy as it is, it's still my only computer, and they have a lock on it. I found out how to type in a command in Command Prompt to CHANGE the password, but I CAN'T change it, because my parents unlock it every night for 30 mins for me. So how do you just FIND OUT a password WITHOUT changing it? (I can't download anything or anything like that) well, I hope this is random enough for this thread... anyway, help a girl out?

[Vaynor]

I'm not useless weight. :smallfrown:

Joking, but I do agree, most guys my age (I'm 15 and a sophomore in high school) are immature or just plain dumb. Or the ones that are smart are just immature too. I have a lot of friends sure, but I'm not close to any of them because if I told them I enjoy writing poetry/stories (not that I'm any good...) they'd laugh and call me a f**. I wish I had a friend like yours, one who you can really talk to. It seems weird to have so many people to talk to yet feel so lonely.

[Jae]

e) Spin is your friend. Be upset and cry (It's a terrible thing to do to guys especially) during every class, make sure people know it's because of the pressure that the administration is putting you under. If you are called to the principal's office, when there hyperventilate and shut yourself in the bathroom. Get yourself sent to the school nurse. Describe clinical depression symptoms.

Heh I bet I could pull that one off unreasonably well. If I was in control of my emotions enough to cry, that is.
I got into psych when I was twelve or so, and I became utterly obsessed with disorders. I read a text book on them..I was a wierd kid. But the symptoms of most common disorders are extremely obvious to me. :smallbiggrin:


Hmm, you gotta tell me how this Admin fight turns out? K?
Will do. I'll rant about it after I win


Or the ones that are smart are just immature too.
That, or they tend to be blind and uninterested. :smallannoyed:

I'm a sophomore, myself. I write short stories frequently, as well. And I completely love reading work from other people my age, so if you ever want a critique or decent conversation feel free to PM me. :smallsmile: I'd be sincerely interested.

[Lyesmith]

I feel a lot better for the rant. And yes, most teen males are pretty useless. And blind. And shockingly ugly, really they are.:smallyuk:

I'm bad at america ages. You'd be around 15, yesno? I've got an old story i wrote that kinda sucks, but if i could get some honest critique on it, it'd be nice.

[Jae]

Heh. There are a few decent ones :smallwink:

(In all honesty I feel horrid calling anybody "ugly." It's nothing that they could fix anyhow, and I'd feel horrible being called such a thing.)

Yes, fifteen. I'd love to read it, I'll be both perfectly honest and tactful.. if needed. Any way you want to send it to me is fine.

And I wouldn't mind showing any of my work to anyone. I keep a fictionpress myself, but I'm not brave enough to simply post the URL so you'll have to ask.

[Lyesmith]

The "Ugly" thing is more relfective of thier personalities as well, really. I like to mix and match my metaphors.:smallbiggrin:

I could copy and paste it into a PM, if you like? It's not very good, i must admit.

[Gaelbert]

Heh. There are a few decent ones :smallwink:

(In all honesty I feel horrid calling anybody "ugly." It's nothing that they could fix anyhow, and I'd feel horrible being called such a thing.)

Yes, fifteen. I'd love to read it, I'll be both perfectly honest and tactful.. if needed. Any way you want to send it to me is fine.

And I wouldn't mind showing any of my work to anyone. I keep a fictionpress myself, but I'm not brave enough to simply post the URL so you'll have to ask.

Fiction press? Never heard of it.

I'm 15, and I enjoy writing poetry and essays and short stories when I get around to them.

I thought your Darfur thing was already done for, and now you're going to fight back for it? Sounds like fun.

Oh, and sorry about the hug. Maybe this weekend, since we live so close to each other?
*gloats*

[Kelp]

I'm sure you'll win, you sound like you won't stop at anything! :smallbiggrin: anyway, help for the computer thing anyone? ? ? ?

[Jae]

I thought maybe you meant it in such a sense, but I felt bad assuming. I partially do the same thing.

A PM sounds lovely. Don't worry, I don't believe I'm any good myself.


Fiction press? Never heard of it.
Mm, yes. Simply fictionpress.com. Not sure why I still use it, but it's become a lifesaver for lost files.


I thought your Darfur thing was already done for, and now you're going to fight back for it? Sounds like fun.

Of course I'm going to fight for it. Since when have I ever been the slightest bit compliant? It will be loads of fun...and stress and work and headaches and possibly even dissapointment.
It'd be better for me if this problem arose at another time.


Oh, and sorry about the hug. Maybe this weekend, since we live so close to each other?
*gloats*
:smalltongue: I was under the impression you were uber busy this weekend.

[Kelp]

oh, poetry? any person who writes poetry has got to be cool. Post a link?

[Lyesmith]

I've also dabbled in poems, but they are hi-lariously bad. And not for the eyes of the public.:smalltongue:
To MS Word, where i'll hunt down my story.
Expect it soon!

[Cobra_Ikari]

...*false gasp*...we have writers in our midst?

...share, please? >.>

Also, I really want to rant about something, but there's nothing significant to rant about. That makes me feel petty about wanting to rant.

EDIT: "Share" means "please PM me a link to said place, so I may read such lovely things". Also, we should really get back on topic. >.>

[Lyesmith]

I suck at writing, fie, fie!
Maybe when i improve. I might post some of my comedy material (I'm taking stand-up classes) but it's honestly pretty bad. I get laughs from my freinds, but havent gotten many from others, which is a shame. But i;ve ever been good at stuff i enjoy much, which is a shame.

[FireFox]

...*false gasp*...we have writers in our midst?

...share, please? >.>

Also, I really want to rant about something, but there's nothing significant to rant about. That makes me feel petty about wanting to rant.

hah, i used to write fanfics. or rather, i have ideas for a Firefly and a Fire Emblem fanfice but...

I have a noncompleted work up on fanfiction.net, for Legend of Zelda, I really enjoyed writing that story, but two things happened"
1. high school started getting hard and i have no time to get on the comp and type out my fanfics anymore
2. i typed out half of a new chapter during school and i had it on my flash drive, which got stolen/lost right before this last thanksgiving break.

so it has been a while since i updated my fun little work of fanfiction... :smallfrown:

[Kelp]

I'm a fanfiction fan.... I'm a fan of fiction..... hehe, funny... how far did you get on your story?

[Kelp]

I'm a fanfiction fan.... I'm a fan of fiction..... hehe, funny... how far did you get on your story?

[Kelp]

I'm a fanfiction fan.... I'm a fan of fiction..... hehe, funny... how far did you get on your story?

[Kelp]

I'm a fanfiction fan.... I'm a fan of fiction..... hehe, funny... how far did you get on your story?

[FireFox]

triple post for the win? i got like 12ish good sized chapters into it, actually, i was just about to start the final battle so... lets call my progress (X-4) where X is how many chapters the finished story would potentially have...

but i have no hope of finishing it, too many other projects (like a Dnd game...) and not enought time... :smallfrown:

[Kelp]

oh my gosh, my computer is going on the fritz! argh! now would be a great time for that Command Promt code....

[Gaelbert]

Also, I really want to rant about something, but there's nothing significant to rant about. That makes me feel petty about wanting to rant.

Rant about not having anything to rant about, perhaps?


:smalltongue: I was under the impression you were uber busy this weekend.

How'd you figure that one out? Stalking me now, I see?

[Jae]

Since this thread seems to have attracted so many writers, I'll read/constructively critique anybody who wants it.

And I have a story in mind for anybodys who interested in reading mine, as well.


How'd you figure that one out? Stalking me now, I see?


"If I'm going to ______, I better make sure I can be there."

ringabell??

I hardly think I should be called a stalker because I listen and can make the logical deduction.

[Gaelbert]

Watch as I slowly try to insinuate myself into Jae's popularity as I make the exact same offer:
Yes, I can read/critique literature if wanted as well.
Whatever. What she said.

As for the other part, you win, Jae.

Does anybody know of a good place to put up things like essays and non-fiction?

[FireFox]

lol, as much as i loath the bandwagon that offer goes for me as well, just pm me a link or attach anf ill be happy to critic!

[Halna LeGavilk]

Ugh.....


Alright, there's this girl I used to really, really like. At first, she was my goddess. Just seeing her would make me happy. But, she kept putting me off. And putting me off. She liked me too. Or, at least that's what she said. And she put me off by dating really, really jerky guys. And she kept getting hurt. Everyone around her, my friends, her friends, even her parents thought we should be dating. Hell, she knew it.
But, for whatever reason, she kept putting me off. And, then, I made a bad comment about this girl, changed my mind about her, and started dating her.
And the first girl (who'll we'll call M), gets pissed at me, cause I changed my mind. I stop dating the second girl so M wouldn't be pissed at me.
Some other bull**** happens, and it culminates with me e-yelling at her about the fact that she lied, she'd never date me when she said she would, how she'd go out with any guy but me, how she stupidly continues to date a guy who breaksup with her every five days, etc, etc.
So, she gives me excuses (excuses=stuff that is stupid). I sorta believe her, but not really.
Finally, after getting my new girlfriend, who is an incredibly funny, smart, beautiful girl, I slowly begin to realize that M has a few emotional problems:
1) She will always get hurt in a relationship. NO guy can ever be good enough for her. The only time a guy could ever be good enough for her is when he is perfect, and I mean PERFECT. No flaws, whatsoever. So, eventually, the guy will fail, and hurt her.
2) She is incredibly emotionally fragile. She gets hurt very easily. Which just exacerbates problem #1.
3) No matter how many guys throw themselves at her feet (used to be three, now two (I stopped, I just couldn't deal with it anymore.)) she continues to have self-image problems, which I really believe is now mostly just a plea for attention.


Okay, that's all... for now.

[dual_wielder]

How about a rant about high school athletics?

I am a member of both the soccer and basketball team at my school, both of which compete in the state tournament consistently. Now, being a 5'9 and fairly skinny kid, I am far from the optimal build for a basketball player. Every single day I am reminded about how sub-par I am at every aspect of basketball, and about how my inability to grow 6 inches at will is really "holding me back as a player". I know I'm supposed to be the tough jock that never shows any sign of weakness, but having 4 grown men verbally berate you for 2 hours a day gets quite bothersome. Not to mention the constant fear of making a mistake, because if a guy like me (by which I mean someone under 6'0 that can't bench press a car) screws up, they are suddenly invisible. And how about the nice disappointed silences, courtesy of my meat-head dad, in the car on the way home from games that I didn't score 30 points in? That's exactly what a nervous, self-doubting 16 year-old needs.

On a slightly separate note, I can relate to those of you who are frustrated by the people that you are surrounded by in high school. My friends' primary mode of interaction is putting each other down, and although they're "just messing around", it is not a good situation for any of us psychologically. They have zero hobbies other than sports, and what we usually end up doing is sitting in my friend's basement playing the latest edition of Madden, while I listen to them make fun of every one of our friends that isn't currently around. Every time I have friends over, I have to put all my D&D books in the closet, because if they were seen I would been out of a group of friends. And like someone else mentioned, every reasonably intelligent kid in my school is either introverted or uninteresting.

Ugh, that sounded so petty and spoiled compared to what some of you guys are going through.

I really hope you manage to get your Darfur group back together, Jae. I know exactly how frustrating it can be to be up against a group of administrators that won't listen to anyone under the age of 30. Good luck.

[Jae]

Also, we should really get back on topic. >.>

OH RIGHT this is the ranting thread.

That's just perfect because I have another one.

Today didn't get off so great. Which is saying something, since I consider most days amazing. I did get whistled at by a guy who didn't know how to whistle, which was fine because he seemed basically harmless. It was practically adorable. anyways.

My AP european teacher doesn't know writing when she sees it, and I'm utterly irate. I tend to claim to be a pacifist but, man, there becomes a point when I see only blind rage and all I want to DO is cause some harm to somebody. It's unreasonable and hypocritical, but true. And this is my rant. I can be as horrid as I need to be :smallmad:

And then I think I almost got hit by a car. Which was my fault and Im absent minded and whatever but it's still an unsettling feeling. I tend to do this thing in my head where I make every outcome clear in my head, so for the rest of the walk home I could picture my splattered and disgusting brain on pavement. Ew. Yeah.

But then a lady backed up out of the crosswalk for me to walk by and smiled very nicely and it made me feel nice. Im easily pleased, I know. But the slightest act of kindness from somebody completely brings up my mood.

AND THEN, as wierd as this is going to sound, the most brilliantly amazing thing happened. Still while walking home, it started raining. So I was completely by myself, walking in my silent neighborhood, and it was amazing. The rain is amazing. It never ceases to be an EXTREME comfort for me. For the first time since I moved this summer, the area I live in actually felt kind of homey. I dont know if thats a word..this is my rant I can use improper vocabulary/grammar if I wanna. It was great, though. I could probably sit in that moment, by myself, for allll eternity.

And I dont even mind that nobody else would understand because I'm sure the rain isn't such a comfort to most people, but it was great.

the endz.

[Dragonrider]

I am a 16-year-old writer...so add me to the list...:smalltongue: I know Felixaar, too, writes. There are an awful lot of us on here. Depressing when you think that in 5 years we'll all be competing for contracts... :smallwink:

[Cobra_Ikari]

Ugh.....


Alright, there's this girl I used to really, really like. At first, she was my goddess. Just seeing her would make me happy. But, she kept putting me off. And putting me off. She liked me too. Or, at least that's what she said. And she put me off by dating really, really jerky guys. And she kept getting hurt. Everyone around her, my friends, her friends, even her parents thought we should be dating. Hell, she knew it.
But, for whatever reason, she kept putting me off. And, then, I made a bad comment about this girl, changed my mind about her, and started dating her.
And the first girl (who'll we'll call M), gets pissed at me, cause I changed my mind. I stop dating the second girl so M wouldn't be pissed at me.
Some other bull**** happens, and it culminates with me e-yelling at her about the fact that she lied, she'd never date me when she said she would, how she'd go out with any guy but me, how she stupidly continues to date a guy who breaksup with her every five days, etc, etc.
So, she gives me excuses (excuses=stuff that is stupid). I sorta believe her, but not really.
Finally, after getting my new girlfriend, who is an incredibly funny, smart, beautiful girl, I slowly begin to realize that M has a few emotional problems:
1) She will always get hurt in a relationship. NO guy can ever be good enough for her. The only time a guy could ever be good enough for her is when he is perfect, and I mean PERFECT. No flaws, whatsoever. So, eventually, the guy will fail, and hurt her.
2) She is incredibly emotionally fragile. She gets hurt very easily. Which just exacerbates problem #1.
3) No matter how many guys throw themselves at her feet (used to be three, now two (I stopped, I just couldn't deal with it anymore.)) she continues to have self-image problems, which I really believe is now mostly just a plea for attention.


Okay, that's all... for now.

This is (supposedly) a very common thing. I'm glad you found someone good for you, though.

Not a rant, but what's pissing me off- What is it about this place (referring to where I am now, not this board) that makes everyone into a paragon of selfishness and laziness? I haven't seen this much juvenile behavior since middle school!

EDIT: Also, rain is a lovely, lovely thing.

MORE EDIT: ...is anyone going to share any of this writing? Please? >.>

EVEN MORE EDIT: I hate when I confuse words. >.<

[FireFox]

MORE EDIT: ...is anyone going to share any of this writing? Please? >.>

would you like me to post the link here, in media discussions, or pm you?

[Gaelbert]

Rain is a wonderful thing. Taking walks outside in the rain is a perfect way to clear your mind or get some good thinking done. And minor, unreasonable rant:
I play soccer and badminto. At my school, those are two sports that white people rarely, if ever, play. That doesn't bug me. What does annoy me is that both those teams are treated inferior to the other, "main stream important" sports, such as girl's soccer, boy's football (American), basketball, and baseball. The girl's soccer team get to play on a nice, well kept field. We play on the same field that P.E. does, a field that is constantly covered with litter and full of holes that have caused season ending injuries to multiple people on our team in the past. And badminton is even worse. We never have fans, which doesn't really bother me, but still. It has a certain reputation for being an easy sport, which it is most definitely not. Most people consider it tennis for wimps and the unathletic, even though the ways of hitting are much different. One is more of the wrist flicking action, the other is hitting. And people are getting these opinions because of how they played badminton with their families years ago, and it was easy. Of course that would be easy. The competition is what makes sports difficult, not necessarily the sport itself. All this leads up to a series of current events. We have our first match against our crosstown rivals this Thursday. So far, we have only been able to practice in our coaches classroom, and we haven't even gotten to use the nets yet. We get the gym to practice in on Monday, which gives one day of try outs, then two of practice before we play our biggest game of the year. Wonderful. And there goes my miniscule tale of woe.

[Cobra_Ikari]

would you like me to post the link here, in media discussions, or pm you?

*shrugs*...whichever you're most comfortable with. Although here is probably a bad place.

EDIT @V: It's a Japanese word meaning "anger" or something similar. Also, sure, if you'd like.

[Jae]

Ikari (is that an anime thing? I know the japanese language well enough to know when a name is japanese but I don't recognize the word ikari..)

I'll send you something if you'd like :smallamused:


Rain is a wonderful thing. Taking walks outside in the rain is a perfect way to clear your mind or get some good thinking done

Rain is an amazing thing. So are walks when it's dark out, although my parents disapprove. Walks in the rain when it's dark out?? Ideal. Most people disagree. (Why, look, a similarity...)

heh, y'know I used to be the wierdest kid evah and I would just sit out on the sidewalk late at night and write to my hearts content. When nobody is around it's an utterly amazing feeling. I'm not even sure why.

As for sports, I mildly know the feeling. I'd be rich if I had a quarter for everytime somebody said "running isn't even a sport." The fact of the matter is, the mainstream sports are always going to try and diminish the less popular sports. We hear about football constantly and we won, what? One or two games? You NEVER hear about track or cross country, even though we were undefeated champions in both these last seasons.

[Dragonrider]

I'm a tad shy about much of my stuff...but maybe if I work up the courage...:smallamused:

[MisterSaturnine]

Add another writer to the list. :smallamused: Mostly short stories here--I wrote one 10-page weird absurdist thing some time last year, one 18-page thing, and I'm working on a graphic novel (which someone else is going to illustrate, hopefully).

Also, @Dual Wielder:
A good friend of mine shared some words of wisdom with me a few years back, which still ring pretty true. I forget the exact wording, but the basic idea was that no sadness is inferior to another--it's relative. It doesn't matter if one person's sadness is the death of a friend, and another's is they're not doing well in school and their parents are disappointed in them. The sadness is equal, despite the differing magnitude of cause.

Incidentally, on the subject of sadness, anyone here read Everything is Illuminated? The sadness thing reminded me of Brod's 613 Sadnesses.

[Vaynor]

That, or they tend to be blind and uninterested. :smallannoyed:

I'm a sophomore, myself. I write short stories frequently, as well. And I completely love reading work from other people my age, so if you ever want a critique or decent conversation feel free to PM me. :smallsmile: I'd be sincerely interested.

Hey, not all of us are blind. :smallwink:

Here's (http://vaynor.deviantart.com/) my DeviantArt.

[Arioch]

I'm quite lucky on the school front, as I go to a grammar school, and you have to be in approx. the top 10% of the country intellect-wise to get in, so the irritating-idiot quotient is considerably below average for a state secondary school. However, there are still people who are extremely annoying. Two people got expelled (well, "put on extended study leave" - they can't come back except to do their GCSE exams) for spitting on a year seven.

Last week, I actually said "I'm surrounded by idiots"! I think I may be slowly transforming into an evil genius. :smalleek: Oh well, I'll be better at it than the ones in movies.

Not much to rant about, really. I have a fairly good life. My sympathies go out to those earlier in this thread.

EDIT: Oh, yeah, I should probably know but: What's a sophomore?

[Vaynor]

10th year of school, second year of high school, usually people are around 15-16.

[Jae]

Hey, not all of us are blind.
Beg to differ :smalltongue:
And ohhh right you can put writing on deviant art. I don't, but if somebody of the name december212012 critiques anything, that'd be me.
And I don't mind putting that on there because it's a strictly photography-based account. I'm only remotely proud of my recent stuff, though.


Two people got expelled (well, "put on extended study leave" - they can't come back except to do their GCSE exams) for spitting on a year seven.
WHAT? EXPELLED? For THAT?!
Myyy if that isn't the least of my schools problems. People have died simply due to recklessness. That's partially mad. anyways.

I wouldn't like to go to a school that was full of intelligent people, either. I don't need that kind of competition to be a constant...

[Gaelbert]

I went to a middle school meant for "smart people." I was expecting to fit in. I was sadly disappointed. Being smart doesn't necessarily mean talent or effort, and we had about as many flunkies as normal schools did.

[Jae]

I went to a school that eerrr sounded smart?

No, I dont know. It was like a private public school, really. They could pick and choose who came in, and they could kick you out if they wanted. We wore ridiculous uniforms and if you had different colored socks you could be cited. I often was. I won't follow any rule I feel is put there without reason. I didn't like their reason, so I didn't care.

Best years of my life, though. UNDOUBTEDLY. I honestly feel like 90% of my high school friends are fake, and the friends I made there never are. We're still really close. Met the only person who I could honestly tell ANYTHING to, and he's still a brother to me.

I often find myself missing Jr. High :smallconfused:

(That was unrelated, but since this IS the ranting thread and that was SORTA a rant..heh.)

[Gaelbert]

. I honestly feel like 90% of my high school friends are fake, and the friends I made there never are. We're still really close. Met the only person who I could honestly tell ANYTHING to, and he's still a brother to me.

You sure know how to make someone feel appreciated.:smallannoyed:

[Hell Puppi]

I went to a High school where the honor english students didn't know who Confucius was, or even have the slightest clue about him.

[Vaynor]

I went to a High school where the honor english students didn't know who Confucius was, or even have the slightest clue about him.

I go to a high school where a girl in my class actually asked what the word "retreat" meant. Yah, honors english class.

[Cobra_Ikari]

I went to a high school where I didn't have to interact with such people. Although a few mistook the Che Guevara t-shirt I wore for one of Bob Marley. >.>

I hate people who exude stupidity. Related more to the above comments to my own, mind.

[Lyesmith]

Oh, English. My one true love and subject i'm good at.
I've got an excellent teacher, but our head of department messed up everyone's classes, shuffled us all about. As a result, A bunch of really smart kids are stuck in a group with the really, really dumb kids. it's a pain having to go through at a snail's pace so some fat worthless bit of human refuse can fail to understand the context and subtext in Lord Of The Flies.:smallfurious:

[Jae]

Wow..you guys are majorly cold :smalleek:
When I use the term "stupid" I generally mean it as "ignorant." I consider stupidity people who have the capability and choose not to learn... not people who genuinely don't understand or don't have the capability. It's not their fault, I'd never dare be hurtful about something that is out of somebodys control. And if somebody hasn't learned something that I already have, I'm not going to be frustrated with them by any means. =/



You sure know how to make someone feel appreciated.

I never said who was or wasn't in the ten percent.

Lets just go ahead and put it this way, if I thought you were fake I wouldn't talk to you as often as I do. I'd probably stick to polite, small conversations.

Oh yeah and the brother to me thing. eh. I mean in the sense of past, present, and future. And you wouldn't even directly tell me about a crush, recall? Plus you don't ask things anyways. I'm the question-er.

[Lyesmith]

Habitual emotional detatchment is fun!

[Cobra_Ikari]

Wow..you guys are majorly cold :smalleek:
When I use the term "stupid" I generally mean it as "ignorant." I consider stupidity people who have the capability and choose not to learn... not people who genuinely don't understand or don't have the capability. It's not their fault, I'd never dare be hurtful about something that is out of somebodys control. And if somebody hasn't learned something that I already have, I'm not going to be frustrated with them by any means. =/

I thought these were who we were talking about? I've no problem with the other kind of people...

...I just get irritated by those people who fail to exert their minds out of laziness or that feeling that seems rampant in high school, that "dumb is cool".

[Serpentine]

I have you guys beat ('cept maybe "retreat"): "Who's Einstein? Is he dead?"

[Lyesmith]

I concede defeat, madam.
*bows*

[Serpentine]

Well, to be fair on this girl, she did seem genuinely dim. She was in the "cool group", but to be fair to the "cool group", most of them were actually quite intelligent, and a few were even very nice. But... yeah.

[Dragonrider]

Well, to be fair on this girl, she did seem genuinely dim. She was in the "cool group", but to be fair to the "cool group", most of them were actually quite intelligent, and a few were even very nice. But... yeah.

Actually yeah, I've noticed that the intelligence of that group is proportionate to their age: it goes up, so does the brain. There are a couple girls who I played tennis with in 8th grade (age 13 or 14) who were absolute airheads. Now we're Juniors (11th grade/16 or 17) they're suddenly very nice and even halfway intelligent. They still can't play tennis to save their life (though they don't know that) but at least there seems to be more going on there than used to be.

Of course, some of them very clearly HAVEN'T grown up. And there are some Sophomores on the team who are so totally and completely without sense that I just shake my head...and then there are the girls who are trying WAY too hard, who swear all the time and talk too loudly because they really really want to fit in but they don't know how. I think those are the most painful because they don't know what they're doing and what idiots they look. A lot of them look like idiots plenty of the time, even the nice ones, but there's a group (that I hang out with) that actually is not afraid to be themselves: it's a mixed bag of girls who are mostly the "smart" ones, and about half of them can't really play, but the point is that they try and they're fun and positive and they're nice to be around. Not trying to be cool or to be anti-cool.

When I was in middle school (or, middle school-age...I've never actually gone to school except for afterschool activities such as sports) I wasn't friends with ANYONE on my tennis team. Freshman year (9th grade) wasn't much better. Then I missed my Sophomore year and now as a Junior suddenly I've changed enough and they've changed enough (some of them) that we can meet in the middle. It's quite encouraging.

Plus I've learned to ignore the jerks. Which admittedly exist in abundance.

[FireFox]

I went to a high school where I didn't have to interact with such people. Although a few mistook the Che Guevara t-shirt I wore for one of Bob Marley. >.>

I hate people who exude stupidity. Related more to the above comments to my own, mind.

gah! thx for reminding me...
At an informal "social event" for high schoolers...

Me: *wonders if Che Guevara shirt-wearing-kid is just doing it to be popular* "excuse me, i just noticed your shirt, are you a fan of Che Guevara?"

Ignorant Kid (:elan:): "Who?"

Me: "the guy on your shirt, Che Guevara"

:elan: :"Who's that?"

Me: "Would you happen to know what 'Communism' is?"

:elan: : *blank stare*

Me: ...

:elan: : "F**" *walks away*

I kid you not, he called me a f** for asking him somehting he did not understand...

Me: "Excuse me, but how was anything I did remotely homosexual? :smallconfused: " (I wanted to say "remotely cigarette-like", but that would be too mean)

:elan: : "What the F***? Oh my God you are so gay!"

Me: :smallmad:

:elan: :*walks away* "F**got..."

Me: :smallfurious:

If there are two things I can not stand, its ignorant people and people who b*****dize the english language by using "gay" as a derogatory term for anything they dislike: "That is so gay"

[Cobra_Ikari]

Ouch. People like that are infuriating.

For the record, mine's somewhat of an inside joke among the Cuban half of my family. That is, my dad and I get them for the sole purpose of sending my grandfather into anti-communist rants.

...we're weird people. >.>

[Gaelbert]

I wage a constant war against people who use gay in a derogatory manner. If the word "f**got" comes up, I ask how whatever has to do with a bundle of sticks and twigs tied together to make fuel. And when people use "gay", I get on their case as well. It really irks me how liberally the word "gay" or others like it are tossed around as insults. Eventually, I might actually wear them down through constant repetition. That also goes for "retard."

[FireFox]

I wage a constant war against people who use gay in a derogatory manner. If the word "f**got" comes up, I ask how whatever has to do with a bundle of sticks and twigs tied together to make fuel. And when people use "gay", I get on their case as well. It really irks me how liberally the word "gay" or others like it are tossed around as insults. Eventually, I might actually wear them down through constant repetition. That also goes for "retard."

im not sure, but according to the native americans, i think that makes us "warrior brothers". or something. i dont know, i'm not big on that culture...

The best part is when someone says "homo" and i ask them "what is the same and why are you talking in Greek?" :smallbiggrin:

[Jae]

Same goes for me. Furthermore, I tend to put such terms to positive use.

I get a lot of lesbian jokes thrown around me, people expect to get a rise out of me I guess?? But I tend to embrace such jokes :smallamused: I'll say something like "well, I'm not even going to deny it." In all honesty, I have a feeling most people I go to school with wonder about me. Actually, recently this guy asked me "Are you really straight? I mean, you've got to be at least bi right?" Makes things interesting.


That also goes for "retard."

GR the term is used so lightly. People don't even think about it. I think I already made it somewhat clear that I make it a point to talk to/hang around the disadvantaged kids at my school and the term disgusts me. Truly. Even more so, I hate those who see a group of disabled kids walk by and say things like "c'mon lets walk this way." I've chewed people out for that kind of thing. In this day and age, NOBODY has an excuse to be so close-minded.

And I get on my closer friends about it even more. My neighbors two sons are disabled, and I'd hate for them to let it slip out while they were over at my house. =/

[Cobra_Ikari]

Being around disabled people makes me feel guilty about not being so. Is that bad?

[Dragonrider]

GR the term is used so lightly. People don't even think about it. I think I already made it somewhat clear that I make it a point to talk to/hang around the disadvantaged kids at my school and the term disgusts me. Truly. Even more so, I hate those who see a group of disabled kids walk by and say things like "c'mon lets walk this way." I've chewed people out for that kind of thing. In this day and age, NOBODY has an excuse to be so close-minded.


I agree. I'm nice to all the 'different' people so they all like me...and even though I don't always have a lot in common with them, I'm okay with it.

I yell at my brother for saying 'retarded' a lot...fortunately, the 'gay' stuff is unacceptable in our family so I don't hear a lot of it at home. In the outside world on the other hand...:smallmad:

[Jae]

Ikari, I don't think it's a bad thing. But, personally, I'd feel guilty if I avoided contact because of that. My feelings shouldn't be the equivelant for ignoring anybody. Period.


I yell at my brother for saying 'retarded' a lot...fortunately, the 'gay' stuff is unacceptable in our family so I don't hear a lot of it at home. In the outside world on the other hand...

My family used to make fun of me a lot for pointing out whenever anybody said retarded/retard. Even my mother would get annoyed because she'd say it out of habit, so I got things like "Nobody is even around, who am I insulting?? You're overly PC." And I'd always say "But then you're going to be around somebody who is and it's habit, you won't even think about it." Then we really did move next to people who would hear it, and it was like an I-told-you-so thing.

I don't even mind being condescendingly called "politically correct" anymore. Rather that than a xenophobic.

[Serpentine]

I used to talk to a couple of mentally disabled people a bit in grade 6... The girls I was friends with would come and try to "rescue" me from them :smallconfused:
I'm disappointed that "retard" became such a negative term, cuz it really worked for disabled people. Their ability to perform mental and/or physical (depending on the illness) tasks is retarded. That is, it was slowed, restrained, disabled, hindered, impeded etc. It works better for me than "disabled". They might still "work", just not as well, whereas "disabled" tends to more imply that they can't do these things at all.

Just because we're kinda on the topic (and cuz this is the cutest picture I'm gonna be taking for a loooooong time), my cousins Ethan and Grace:
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h287/serpentine16/photos/graceethan.jpg

He has Down's syndrome, and he looooooves Grace :smallbiggrin: She's very good with him, though.
I have to admit, I do have some trouble with Ethan, but mostly just because I only see him about once a year so I'm never sure what level he's at. I don't want to go over his head, but I don't want to be condescending, either. I'm generally alright once I've been around him for a bit.

<.<
>.>

I'm in too good a mood lately to rant much about anything v.v

[Vaynor]

I wage a constant war against people who use gay in a derogatory manner. If the word "f**got" comes up, I ask how whatever has to do with a bundle of sticks and twigs tied together to make fuel. And when people use "gay", I get on their case as well. It really irks me how liberally the word "gay" or others like it are tossed around as insults. Eventually, I might actually wear them down through constant repetition. That also goes for "retard."

I hate people who do that. Well, not hate, but I don't exactly expect much from them from that point forward. I try to point it out, "So because that math test was hard, it has somehow started liking other men?" (though I still don't exactly know if the paper was male or female...). People don't seem to associate the word "gay" with homosexuals anymore, rather with the common insult. Thus, when they do see a homosexual, the insult immediately comes to mind, and they think badly of that person.

I'll never forget, this group of guys were walking behind another group, made up of two girls and their homosexual male friend. The guys are snickering, and probably making a multitude of lewd jokes. The guy just turns around, says "I'm a f***ing f**, get over it," and then walks away smiling and talking to his friends like nothing happened.

[Gaelbert]

im not sure, but according to the native americans, i think that makes us "warrior brothers". or something. i dont know, i'm not big on that culture...

The best part is when someone says "homo" and i ask them "what is the same and why are you talking in Greek?" :smallbiggrin:

I'll be Raistlin, and you can be Caramon.

And that's bloody brilliant. I need more snarky remarks and comebacks...

[hap_hazard]

I'm helping out a new Uniformed Group at my Secondary School. They started out this year, so the members are still Sec 1, with a few Sec 2s.

I got a few problem members. The worse is this one girl. She's constantly attempting to dominate the unit. ALWAYS wants things her way. As in, "No! I want to change game!” when everyone else is reasonably happy and attempting to play. During drill, her eyes are rolling so much I'm afraid that they'll fall out. We're not even shouting at them, and she still gives us attitude.

The worse part? The teacher-in-charge favours her. She gets to participate in those external activities with limited places, and she's level rep.

The other members are getting excluded in favour of a girl with HORRIBLE ATTITUDE. I'm afraid that the teacher will pick her for the NCO course at the end of the year. With her attitude, not only is she likely to fail the course, she'll embarrass the school. And then she'll come back and boss the other members around, give the entire unit a hard time, pull rank, etc.

I'm the oldest person there (other than the teachers) actually from the school, so I probably have some "veto power". Only I don't know what the hell I'm supposed to do, since I'm not originally from that UG. Don't play in other people's homes, and all that. Also, I'm afraid that I'll need that veto power at the end of the year to try to prevent the girl from attending the NCO course, which I am very certain will cause way too much damage to the unit.

But then I'm also afraid of the damage that the favoritism could cause from now to then.

AND now I feel guilty because I'm tempted to "guide" some more neglected members to another UG, which I know for certain needs more members. They have a WAY higher chance of succeeding there.

Any advice? Please? :smallfrown:

[Arioch]

I have you guys beat ('cept maybe "retreat"): "Who's Einstein? Is he dead?"

I think I have a better one - "Miss, it says we have to do either question 1 or 2. Do we have to do both?"

And I can make fun of these people without feeling guilty, because anyone in my school has to pass a test to get in, and so has the required mental manoeuvrability.

I'm always surprised when someone asks me what a word I use means. I think this makes the person who asks feel worse. Does anyone else get this?

[FireFox]

I'll be Raistlin, and you can be Caramon.

And that's bloody brilliant. I need more snarky remarks and comebacks...

:smalltongue: :smallbiggrin: Kudos to you, that was brilliant...

Hm, so you get to essentially become a god, yet I get Tika... Caramon isn't my favorite character from Dragonlance, but I'll take it as fair. :smallbiggrin:

[Dragonrider]

I think I have a better one - "Miss, it says we have to do either question 1 or 2. Do we have to do both?"

And I can make fun of these people without feeling guilty, because anyone in my school has to pass a test to get in, and so has the required mental manoeuvrability.

I'm always surprised when someone asks me what a word I use means. I think this makes the person who asks feel worse. Does anyone else get this?

yup.

I'll be talking and the other person will get this look on their face like "I've no idea, but I don't want to ask..."

Then I'll stop and say "do you know what that word means?"

"no."

Then I explain it, feeling horrible and show-offish. I can't help my vocabulary! My whole family talks that way so it's kind of hard not to...for that matter, I like talking that way. More complicated words tend to be more precise and when you know their real meaning you want to use them. Why settle for less? :smallwink:

[FireFox]

Wow, I feel the same, I use a large vocabulary, which has led to much embarassment, like when my teacher asked the class what "idionsyncratic" meant. he got blank looks and one relucatantly raised hand (i hate being called on in class, even when i know the answer, i think my grades may be hurting from that...). I explained it, the teacher said that was the definition, the class errupted in applause. :smallconfused:

[Dragonrider]

yeah - I always wait in class to raise my hand until I'm positive that no one else is going to answer, because if I raised my hand every time I had an answer, I would look like a show-off. Stereotypically, I hate calling attention to myself. My teacher knows me and he'll give me this smile that says I know you know it, thank you for giving others a chance, which does make me feel better about the whole situation. :smalltongue:

[FireFox]

Heh, I absolutely loathe drawing attention to myself, I just dislike being noticed for any and all reasons...

Why do I have so much in common with this whole forum?? I should have joined years ago!

[Jae]

Dare I rant again?

Errr.. yes.

at this point im not even asking anybody READ them. in fact, it'd probably be of your benefit if you were to not :smallyuk:

6 body paragraphs with source cards to match is ridiculous. This will take me too long. I have enough information off the top of my head to write this essay, and now I have to find sources to simply clarify the knowledge I already have. Lame.

What's lamer? Fashion photo. Curse talented photographers who have chosen such a sell-out job. I guess we cant all be Nachteway fanatics.. but, really. =/ Whatever. It's an opportunity, right??

What's lamer-er?! The friend zone. Yup.
What exactly is it that makes certain girls just automatically liked, and then girls like me who become very good friends with most guys (including ones I don't exactly WANT to be good friends with.) I mean, there has to be something. Some wierd factor that makes the definition between the two. I mean, I've been doomed since birth I'm assuming. Is it because I was cursed with too many brothers? I'm surely not as feminine as most girls. I won't be pleased with any chick flick thrown at me, I prefer blood and guts. And no, I don't care about clothes and shopping disgusts me in more ways than one. Okay and yeah I make inappropriate jokes and don't speak entirely appropriately...

But I mean! I dont know! :smallfurious: Apparently, and I'm only going off what people tell me, I'm fairly cute myself. Gosh arent you boys supposed to be shallow and vain and not pay attention to personality? I'll never figure it out.

It's worked out better for me since high school started, anyways. Since there are guys who I will only be friends with, but still can't deny me anything. In the sense that if I want to be driven somewhere/bought something or whatever I'll basically get it. Because, hey, I may be a friend but I'm pretty adorkable :smallamused:

Stillstillstill. I am finding myself stuck, once again, with a kid who probably wont ever think of me than more than just a friend.


That
sucks
.

and p.s.
I cant wait for the summer <3333333

[Cobra_Ikari]

Dare I rant again?

Errr.. yes.

at this point im not even asking anybody READ them. in fact, it'd probably be of your benefit if you were to not :smallyuk:

6 body paragraphs with source cards to match is ridiculous. This will take me too long. I have enough information off the top of my head to write this essay, and now I have to find sources to simply clarify the knowledge I already have. Lame.

What's lamer? Fashion photo. Curse talented photographers who have chosen such a sell-out job. I guess we cant all be Nachteway fanatics.. but, really. =/ Whatever. It's an opportunity, right??

What's lamer-er?! The friend zone. Yup.
What exactly is it that makes certain girls just automatically liked, and then girls like me who become very good friends with most guys (including ones I don't exactly WANT to be good friends with.) I mean, there has to be something. Some wierd factor that makes the definition between the two. I mean, I've been doomed since birth I'm assuming. Is it because I was cursed with too many brothers? I'm surely not as feminine as most girls. I won't be pleased with any chick flick thrown at me, I prefer blood and guts. And no, I don't care about clothes and shopping disgusts me in more ways than one. Okay and yeah I make inappropriate jokes and don't speak entirely appropriately...

But I mean! I dont know! :smallfurious: Apparently, and I'm only going off what people tell me, I'm fairly cute myself. Gosh arent you boys supposed to be shallow and vain and not pay attention to personality? I'll never figure it out.

It's worked out better for me since high school started, anyways. Since there are guys who I will only be friends with, but still can't deny me anything. In the sense that if I want to be driven somewhere/bought something or whatever I'll basically get it. Because, hey, I may be a friend but I'm pretty adorkable :smallamused:

Stillstillstill. I am finding myself stuck, once again, with a kid who probably wont ever think of me than more than just a friend.


That
sucks
.

and p.s.
I cant wait for the summer <3333333

...hmm. Well, I think you have an attractive personality (among other things), but that might be because I don't really know you? That sounds harsher than I mean it. Let me put it this way...one of my closest friends is pretty much the most awesome girl EVER, and yet I could never think about her that way, because she feels like "one of the guys".

I don't think that helped at all! I'm sorry! *hugs and walks away, confused*

[Jae]

because she feels like "one of the guys".


EXACTLY. That's what it should be called. One-of-the-guys-syndrome

And I'm thinking it's terminal :smalleek:

@V:
I can exaggerate if I wanna :smallannoyed:

ha nooo I'm not really worried about being liked by guys in general. I absolutely hate being hit with the random "can I have your number?" thing, but it at least reminds me that I am remotely liked. (advice: if you hate it as much as I do, memorize a fake number. So if they ask you to play it back to them, you can :smallsmile:)

It's the guys I WANT to like me that provide a problem.

[FireFox]

dont exagerate, you can't die from having guys consider you one of them. maybe. anyways, I'm not thinking clearly, so correct me if I'm wrong, but you are worried about being liked by guys? I know fora fact that there aguys around who are absolutely intimidaded by females and love nothing more than a girl who acts like one of the guys. That's how I got into my relationship at any rate.

[Cobra_Ikari]

EXACTLY. That's what it should be called. One-of-the-guys-syndrome

And I'm thinking it's terminal :smalleek:

@V:
I can exaggerate if I wanna :smallannoyed:

ha nooo I'm not really worried about being liked by guys in general. I absolutely hate being hit with the random "can I have your number?" thing, but it at least reminds me that I am remotely liked. (advice: if you hate it as much as I do, memorize a fake number. So if they ask you to play it back to them, you can :smallsmile:)

It's the guys I WANT to like me that provide a problem.

...and that is the problem with falling for friends, because I can assure you, it's not just girls that can have this happen to them.

[FireFox]

Im afraid I cant really help you then... :smallfrown:

See, there was this new girl at my school, she hated me because I was too much like her. So I befriended her, and then got her to fall for me.
so yeah, 180 degree feeling change. :smallcool:

then she moved away. :smallfrown:

Really though, just be extra nice to whoever you like and try toact a little more of what youwant to be, as opposed to acting like a friend.

[Hoggy]

Re guys who may or may not care about personality: From my personal experience of your stereotypical blokey bloke, I would say that men (in general, not all men) care about a personality as and when it suits them. If a woman is a complete bitch, but she's a looker, men won't see past the DDs. However, if you've got a good personality, men don't choose to ignore it, because it adds rather than subtracts from the attractiveness of said female.

See, we're not that complicated at all! We just like a happy, nice lfie and therefore only subject our mind to happy, nice things. :smallsmile:

Disclaimer: Yes, I know that the above doesn't apply to 100% of humanity. It's just my view based on the people I know.

[Jae]

To clarify, all the exaggerations and stereotypical remarks was just sarcasm. I really don't simplify a group of people like that, at all.

Just, as a note

[Dragonrider]

Dare I rant again?

Errr.. yes.

at this point im not even asking anybody READ them. in fact, it'd probably be of your benefit if you were to not :smallyuk:

6 body paragraphs with source cards to match is ridiculous. This will take me too long. I have enough information off the top of my head to write this essay, and now I have to find sources to simply clarify the knowledge I already have. Lame.

What's lamer? Fashion photo. Curse talented photographers who have chosen such a sell-out job. I guess we cant all be Nachteway fanatics.. but, really. =/ Whatever. It's an opportunity, right??

What's lamer-er?! The friend zone. Yup.
What exactly is it that makes certain girls just automatically liked, and then girls like me who become very good friends with most guys (including ones I don't exactly WANT to be good friends with.) I mean, there has to be something. Some wierd factor that makes the definition between the two. I mean, I've been doomed since birth I'm assuming. Is it because I was cursed with too many brothers? I'm surely not as feminine as most girls. I won't be pleased with any chick flick thrown at me, I prefer blood and guts. And no, I don't care about clothes and shopping disgusts me in more ways than one. Okay and yeah I make inappropriate jokes and don't speak entirely appropriately...

But I mean! I dont know! :smallfurious: Apparently, and I'm only going off what people tell me, I'm fairly cute myself. Gosh arent you boys supposed to be shallow and vain and not pay attention to personality? I'll never figure it out.

It's worked out better for me since high school started, anyways. Since there are guys who I will only be friends with, but still can't deny me anything. In the sense that if I want to be driven somewhere/bought something or whatever I'll basically get it. Because, hey, I may be a friend but I'm pretty adorkable :smallamused:

Stillstillstill. I am finding myself stuck, once again, with a kid who probably wont ever think of me than more than just a friend.


That
sucks
.

and p.s.
I cant wait for the summer <3333333

I suffer from the same condition. I've never been on a date in my life...they tell me I'm good-looking and yet...maybe I'm too smart? Maybe I need to forget that I'm smart and pretend that I'm not? I'm not willing to do that.

People tells me it gets better as the guys mature.

And it is true that all the likable ones are about six years older than me...:smalltongue: I guess I just gotta wait a few years.

[Cobra_Ikari]

I suffer from the same condition. I've never been on a date in my life...they tell me I'm good-looking and yet...maybe I'm too smart? Maybe I need to forget that I'm smart and pretend that I'm not? I'm not willing to do that.

People tells me it gets better as the guys mature.

And it is true that all the likable ones are about six years older than me...:smalltongue: I guess I just gotta wait a few years.

...you are the kind of person I would date. Were I to do that. And were I to remember your age off the top of my head. >.<

*hugs*...no rush, hun, you're young!

[TRM]

*snip*
And it is true that all the likable ones are about six years older than me...:smalltongue: I guess I just gotta wait a few years.
I have a similar problem. All the girls that I've ever wanted to date have been at least 2 years older than I am... and about to graduate in the next year or so. And it is difficult to have a relationship with someone that is going to be miles away and several years older :smallfrown:
I realize that two years isn't such a big difference for them adults, but in high school, two years is an unconquerable (I know there is a more suitable word, it's not coming to me) difference in ages for dating (and it also violates the rules. (http://xkcd.com/314))


@Jae: I'm a little confused by your rant about "being one of the guys." Is it that males won't date girls that they think of as one of them?

[I'm da Rogue!]

People tells me it gets better as the guys mature.


Oh.. Didn't they tell you? They NEVER mature. Never.

[Cobra_Ikari]

Oh.. Didn't they tell you? They NEVER mature. Never.

Hey now! I'm...mature.

...I think?

[I'm da Rogue!]

Hey now! I'm...mature.

...I think?

You think.:smallamused:

[Cobra_Ikari]

You think.:smallamused:

*sniffles*...that's mean! Why you gotta pick on me like that? *runs away crying*

:P

[Jae]

she hated me because I was too much like her. So I befriended her, and then got her to fall for me.

Heh. Reminds me of a conversation I had not that long ago..
but yeah, I'm not sure I'm so smooth to make somebody fall for me.


maybe I'm too smart?
Gah! Reminds me of a quote from a book I just (like, on friday I think) returned to somebody. So I can't really quote, being that I dont remember how it exactly went. Something like "Only weak men want dumb women." yeah w/e lets go with that.


Is it that males won't date girls that they think of as one of them?

Generally, that's the rule, yes.

[dual_wielder]

At my school, girls deal with the guy maturity issue by dating older guys exclusively. Senior guy-freshman girl pairings are extremely common. The problem with this is that the guys' intentions are rarely good, which results in a lot of bad issues that should probably not be discussed here.

On the other hand, this results in more single female seniors, which means that a few lucky sophomores like myself end up with someone mature, smart, and wonderful :smallbiggrin: .

[TRM]

Is it that males won't date girls that they think of as one of them?

Generally, that's the rule, yes.

Right. That does ring true with my personal experience; I would prefer to date a girl that I'm already friends with, but [the one girl that is "one of the guys" that I know] would be more off limits than a friend that is "still a girl". (and this is despite the fact that she is the most awesome person I know and she is my second favorite person to talk to in the world :smallredface:)

I'd offer advice for overcoming this difficulty if I could think of any. Sorry.

[Jae]

(and this is despite the fact that she is the most awesome person I know and she is my second favorite person to talk to in the world )


Oh, this is really no good at all. :smallfrown:

So what you guys are saying is that I could be thought of as highly as to be called amazing, I could be the favorite person to talk to, and I could even be pretty and I'd still get NOWHERE?!

-sighs-

[Cobra_Ikari]

Oh, this is really no good at all. :smallfrown:

So what you guys are saying is that I could be thought of as highly as to be called amazing, I could be the favorite person to talk to, and I could even be pretty and I'd still get NOWHERE?!

-sighs-

...this is all provided you're a "one of the guys". Most people I know (including me) regularly date close friends...provided they aren't a OOTG. Although I assume the way to get out of this would be to play up femininity? For one of those "Whoa. That's right, she is that amazing awesome beautiful woman and not just another guy." moments.

...that's also assuming people think like me. Which, I assure you, they don't. >.>

[I'm da Rogue!]

My closest friends were always boys.
I guess I have always been OOTG for them too. We were together most of the day, at school, playing football, dnd, etc.

Never really spend much time with girls, I remember my dad complaining.

So, nothing could ever happen between me and my friends. We've talked about it. Not because they can't see my feminine side or anything, but because we grew up together. Even if I liked one of them, or if someone liked me, it simply wouldn't work because we were like family.

But I still think the best kind of relationship is the one between two friends who fall in love.
___
edit:
And just now I realised how different all this looks next to my current avvie:smallbiggrin:

[Cobra_Ikari]

So, nothing could ever happen between me and my friends. We've talked about it. Not because they can't see my feminine side or anything, but because we grew up together. Even if I liked one of them, of if someone liked me, it simply wouldn't work because we were like family.

That's a good point, too. The girl I mentioned before has been part of our circle of friends for a very long time, long enough that our mothers consider us to be their other children. >.>

[FireFox]

Oh, this is really no good at all. :smallfrown:

So what you guys are saying is that I could be thought of as highly as to be called amazing, I could be the favorite person to talk to, and I could even be pretty and I'd still get NOWHERE?!

-sighs-

not so, there is a type of boy (of which iam a part of) that loves having a girl he can talk to and not be intimidated. the trick is finding them. your description sounds likeexactly the person i'd date. No one said the world has to make sense, and effort gets you nowhere bad.

[TRM]

Oh, this is really no good at all. :smallfrown:

So what you guys are saying is that I could be thought of as highly as to be called amazing, I could be the favorite person to talk to, and I could even be pretty and I'd still get NOWHERE?!

-sighs-
Not at all! It only wouldn't work out if you were one of the guys, in that case it would be awkward to be dating you. However, it would be wonderful to date someone that I was friends with and thought highly of: smart, nice and pretty girls are excellent for dating :smallwink:

(Would it be better to keep talking [I have more to say on the subject] through PMs about this or to sidetrack the thread even more?)

[North]

Oh.. Didn't they tell you? They NEVER mature. Never.

Well Ill die eventually. That counts right?

[MisterSaturnine]

I also consider myself at least slightly mature.

Then again, I've never even been on a date. I'm also mired in the mythological friend zone on nearly all fronts.

So take that with a grain of salt. Maybe romantic success is what makes us guys malfunction? :smallamused:

[Gaelbert]

6 body paragraphs with source cards to match is ridiculous. This will take me too long. I have enough information off the top of my head to write this essay, and now I have to find sources to simply clarify the knowledge I already have. Lame.

What's lamer? Fashion photo. Curse talented photographers who have chosen such a sell-out job. I guess we cant all be Nachteway fanatics.. but, really. =/ Whatever. It's an opportunity, right??

What's lamer-er?! The friend zone. Yup.
What exactly is it that makes certain girls just automatically liked, and then girls like me who become very good friends with most guys (including ones I don't exactly WANT to be good friends with.) I mean, there has to be something. Some wierd factor that makes the definition between the two. I mean, I've been doomed since birth I'm assuming. Is it because I was cursed with too many brothers? I'm surely not as feminine as most girls. I won't be pleased with any chick flick thrown at me, I prefer blood and guts. And no, I don't care about clothes and shopping disgusts me in more ways than one. Okay and yeah I make inappropriate jokes and don't speak entirely appropriately...

But I mean! I dont know! :smallfurious: Apparently, and I'm only going off what people tell me, I'm fairly cute myself. Gosh arent you boys supposed to be shallow and vain and not pay attention to personality? I'll never figure it out.

It's worked out better for me since high school started, anyways. Since there are guys who I will only be friends with, but still can't deny me anything. In the sense that if I want to be driven somewhere/bought something or whatever I'll basically get it. Because, hey, I may be a friend but I'm pretty adorkable :smallamused:

Stillstillstill. I am finding myself stuck, once again, with a kid who probably wont ever think of me than more than just a friend.


That
sucks
.

and p.s.
I cant wait for the summer <3333333

Source cards aren't needed for the first part.

And that really sucks about the friends thing. That's too bad. Are those boys clueless, or is it something else?

[TRM]

Oh.. Didn't they tell you? They NEVER mature. Never.
Your FACE never matures! Oh, what now?! Burn.

That's a very mature comeback, isn't it?

[Jae]

Oh yeah, feel free to PM me. Sorry. I get side-tracked easily so I've developed this habit of bringing every thread I go to completely off-topic?? I'm going to slowly bring this forum to ruins.


or is it something else?
:smallconfused: I don't get it.
Explain? EDIT: I forgot to add, (ANSWER THIS ONE!!!! or I'll dwell)


errr unless you were insulting me because than you don't have to explain :smallfrown:

[Dragonrider]

Oh yeah, feel free to PM me. Sorry. I get side-tracked easily so I've developed this habit of bringing every thread I go to completely off-topic?? I'm going to slowly bring this forum to ruins.


This thread is about rants. Anything I say counts as a rant because I say so. :smallamused:

(feel free to disregard as a foolish rant)

[MisterSaturnine]

Oh yeah, feel free to PM me. Sorry. I get side-tracked easily so I've developed this habit of bringing every thread I go to completely off-topic?? I'm going to slowly bring this forum to ruins.


:smallconfused: I don't get it.
Explain?


errr unless you were insulting me because than you don't have to explain :smallfrown:

I dunno. My definition of ranting is basically griping about anything that's bothering you. You can even do a positive rant, and rant about something you enjoy (though that might be closer to raving).

Plus, you started the thread if I remember correctly (too lazy to check). So you get cut some slack.

EDIT: Yay! Orc in the Playground!

[North]

Ive actually never had anyone Id put in the friend-zone. Just the off-limits zone.

[FireFox]

I'd really like to rant about this... thing thats going on in an online game thing i play, but none of you would get it,so suffice to say I would be ranting about being called a "power hungry nazi". :smallfrown:

[Cobra_Ikari]

...this is why sometimes I think entire threads on this board should be moved to the chatroom. Except that that would be havoc. >.<

But then, I like havoc... >.>

EDIT: Rawr! You are instantly better than anyone who calls you a nazi! Unless you are actually, like, a nazi. Then you're all racist and killy people and I can't like you anymore. *hugs*

[North]

Yeah, but if it all went on in chat Id be in the loop even less :smalleek: I cant use any chats when at work.

[Dragonrider]

And my parents wouldn't let me in a public chatroom with strangers. :smalltongue: I guess forums are different.

(well, they'd let me, but they wouldn't like it)

[Cobra_Ikari]

And my parents wouldn't let me in a public chatroom with strangers. :smalltongue: I guess forums are different.

(well, they'd let me, but they wouldn't like it)

...but...but...we're not strangers! >.>

I meant more due to the fluidity of topic we seem to have, as well as the (sometimes) rapid pacing? But yeah, I get you. *nods*

[Serpentine]

Oh wow. This is the first time I've seen the Friends Bin coming from the other direction... No rants this time, I don't know how it works for guys.

My turn :smallannoyed:

So I crashed my friend's car...

Good start, no? :smallsigh: This happened in the second half of last year. Two friends (Michael, the owner of the car, and Ewan, the only one with a full licence) and I decided to go to the coast to visit Goff, who was housesitting. It was a good opportunity to get some hours up for my Ls, so I drove most of the way. It ended up being thusly: L-plater, with an inexperienced licenced driver uncertain of L-plater's ability, in an unfamiliar car, driving on an extremely tough - steep, winding, narrow - bit of road, at night, when raining. It was doomed from the beginning. Basically, I was trying too hard to not ride the break, went too fast, and didn't make it around the corner. The front left of this little Volvo was crunched in. It still worked well enough to get us the rest of the way and home again, though. I promised to pay for the repairs.
Two months after the crash, Michael still hadn't gotten a quote for the repairs, and went to Ireland. Finally, last night, I checked my email. Lo and behold, he'd finally done it.
$3,790.30.

Three thousand, seven hundred and ninety dollars, and thirty cents. For a crunched corner of a crappy little old car. I would be very surprised if that was even nearly how much that thing is worth! But, of course, the bloody thing has sentimental bloody value. Gah! I don't know what to do :smallfrown: I have $9 in my account. If I manage to get 10 hours a week of work at the uni library, and put all the money from that aside, I could pay it off in about 2 years. I'm taking that job, though, to try to start getting some decent savings :smallfrown: I know my mum will most likely handle it, but something that massive, and that much my fault, I have to pay back. I'm already going to have a good dozen or two thousand dollars in HECS debt when I get out into the workforce, I don't need to owe her over three grand as well. I have $1500 in gifts from grandparents, but that's gifts. I want to buy gift-like things with it :smallfrown: *sigh* I'll just have to tell mum the cost, and give her Michael's dad's number, get her to work something out with him.
Goff reckons that it's Michael's fault for letting me drive in those conditions at all, and legally it'd be Ewan's responsibility as the licenced driver. Another friend more or less thinks it's also Michael's fault for not having the damn thing insured (at least, he hasn't mentioned anything about it). Doesn't make me feel any less responsible, and I promised - several times - that I'd pay for it.
:sigh:

Oh, as an added bonus, my former housemate still hasn't payed me back that $100, and her crap is still in the garage. Also, there's still no word on the house. Basically, I think Goff and I are just going to give up and not worry about it until we know that we have to move. Still a distinct annoyance, though :smallsigh: (house we're renting has been put up for sale, for those not in the know).

edit: Dragonrider, are you serious? o.O I met my Canadian friend on a Hotmail chat in year 8 (around... 13ish years old). Wow... I figure, if a parent can't trust their child to be safe on the 'net, they haven't done a very good job of educating them, and probably shouldn't let them walk around in public on their own lest a man with a van and lollies lure them away.

[FireFox]

lol cobra,, im not a nazi. the galling part is this was said to me through the internet,so I couldn't even punch out the person... (i take my honor seriously)

but ive already got one warning for discussing politics and have no intention to get another >.>

[Cobra_Ikari]

I know you aren't, Fox. *huggles* ^_^

Also...wow, Serp, that really, really sucks. *hugs*...:smallfrown:...

...I'd offer to help, but I don't really know what I could do...

[Dragonrider]

Wow, Serp. That's big. In the U.S. I'm pretty sure it's illegal to not have car insurance....^_^ I'm not sure exactly how it works, but I have my own car-wrecking story...this was about a year and a half ago. I'm a competent - I'll even say good - driver now, but....

OK. I'd had my permit for 2 days. It was the first time I'd ever driven a car. It was 10:00 on a Saturday morning—August 5th—when Dad and I headed up to a good parking lot where I could safely practice. Since my parents wanted me to learn on a stick shift, I would be driving my dad’s 1994 Honda Civic.

It started out okay. We practiced for about two hours (which everyone says is too long for the first time anyway). Then we stopped and Dad said, “I want you to pull out of the parking lot, shift into second gear, and drive down the hill, and when we get to the road, I’ll drive us home.”

I looked at the driveway entrance and thought, I can’t do that, I’m going to mess up. I didn’t tell Dad, though, because I thought he would probably tell me that I could and that there was nothing to worry about. We began to roll downhill, which started the car on its own so I didn’t have to worry about stalling out, but as I looked down to shift into second gear, we bumped up on the righthand curb a little. I overcorrected, and we turned ninety degrees to the left. Instinct told me to brake, so without thinking I put down the pedal. I hit the accelerator instead and we slammed right into the concrete base of the building and the airbags went off.

The car. Was. Totaled. The airbags alone would have cost like $3,000 to replace. It sucked. I was scared to death of driving for the next four months and I still have a massive complex about manual transmissions...last time I drove one I stalled out on a hill and burst into tears.

But...like I said, I have my license now and I'm a pretty good driver. So it worked out okay.


About your woes, Serpentine...I hope it turns out OK. :smallfrown: Sounds lame, but I mean it. *hugs*

[mercurymaline]

Oi, Serpentine, that sounds terrible. That price seems a little steep, though. Sentimental value does not a price quote make. Though the words Volvo and sentimental value don't really go together for me, as I hated my Volvo with a deep, burning passion. Though you say your mum seems willing to help, and it doesn't sound like your friends are terribly upset, which is always good. And no, I don't think your friends should have had you driving in those conditions, though it may well could have happened to anyone.
I know my condolences are of no concrete assistance, but I do hope and believe everything will turn out alright. At least no one in the car was hurt.

Forgive me for assuming by the way, but I got the impression you were a bit past the not-having-a-license age.


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[Gaelbert]

:smallconfused: I don't get it.
Explain? EDIT: I forgot to add, (ANSWER THIS ONE!!!! or I'll dwell)


errr unless you were insulting me because than you don't have to explain :smallfrown:

I was wondering if you think those boys are just clueless, or if there might be another reason. And no, it wasn't an insult. Why would I insult you?:smallconfused:

[Serpentine]

Forgive me for assuming by the way, but I got the impression you were a bit past the not-having-a-license age.What are you, my father? :smallannoyed:

Yes, I am a bit past the not-having-a-license age :smallsigh: 21, and we can get it at 18, in fact. Reasons/excuses:
Went to uni in a different state. Besides all the curfuffle of moving, I had to get a NSW license. Interestingly/depressingly, I got my Vic one several years before my NSW one, and my NSW one expires several years before my Vic one did :smallsigh:
I hate NSW driving/learning laws with a passion. Why the bloody hell shouldn't I go at the damn speed limit?
I acquired my grandmother's car, which is a manual. Up 'til then, I'd only driven an auto. I'm fairly good at autos, but rubbish at manuals. It's basically meant that I've had to start from scratch.
Speaking of starting from scratch, my mum threw out my Vic logbook. 50+ hours, gone :smallannoyed: I've tried to remember it all, and made some bits up, but I'm sure I'm still a couple of dozen short.
Goff's not willing to give me lessons, due to the tension 'twould create.
I'm lazy.

...that's all I've got at the moment.

[Jae]

I was wondering if you think those boys are just clueless, or if there might be another reason.
There could be another reason I guess. I mean, there could be something horridly wrong with me that Im not seeing :smalleek:


And no, it wasn't an insult. Why would I insult you?
Since when have I needed a reason to think everybody is against me??

[Gaelbert]

I don't think morbidwombat meant to sound insulting. I was thinking the same think too. Serpentine, your posts are always so well thought out and intelligent that I just figured you were old enough. Forgive me/us.

And Jae, there aren't too many things horribly wrong with you. You just have to look past the occasional massive fault here or there.
Of course I'm just kidding. Nothing wrong on your end.

And it's not being paranoid if they really are out to get you.

[Jae]

And Jae, there aren't too many things horribly wrong with you. You just have to look past the occasional massive fault here or there.
:smalleek:
How many times must I tell you that it's scarcely funny when you know I'm ever so self-doubting??


Of course I'm just kidding. Nothing wrong on your end.
Thenn I'm going to have to insist you tell me why. Being that you ARE a guy, you DO actually know me, and putting two and two together you must obviously know why I would or wouldnt be liked.
:smallbiggrin: I love putting you on the spot more than words can explain..

[mercurymaline]

What are you, my father? :smallannoyed:


Oi, no...:smalleek:
I didn't mean...uh...
Sorry. *sheepish bow*
I have friends at 22 and 26 without licenses. I know it happens. I was only curious, I know there are more than a few minors on the boards. I didn't mean to imply anything. Forgive me.

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[Gaelbert]

I think that I will probably have no real idea as to why, because I've never considered you one of the guys, but I suppose I can try.
In private.

[Jae]

In private.

Appreciated.

[Serpentine]

Hehee. Guys, guys. I was kidding :smalltongue: My dad's been poking at me to get my license for ages.
It makes me feel a bit better that my sister's boyfriend - around 30ish? - doesn't even have his Ls.

[mercurymaline]

Ok, I have to rant for a second.
So, I had a cat who got really sick a while back. We took him to the doctor, and they said the treatment would be long and complicated. I kept asking what the prognosis was, if his chances were good or not. If there was a chance he'd be ok, I wanted to go for it. But if it was unlikely he'd make it, I did not want his short time left to be spent being poked and prodded and miserable. They didn't want to tell me he didn't have any chance, of course. But his symptoms became so bad, I decided to have him put to sleep. I still have his collar on my keychain.
Anyway, to the point, my roommate's cats were poisoned by someone in the complex a while ago. One died, and the other seemed to be getting better. Until recently. Raphael's symptoms came back a few days ago (we don't let him out anymore, so it didn't happen again) and are getting progressively worse. They are so similar to what was happening to my cat before, it's tearing me up to see him this way.
There's nothing we can do about it til tomorrow morning at the earliest, and really, there's nothing I can do about it at all, as it's not my cat. I don't want to be the d-bag that tells my friend to put his cat down, but this is really terrible, and it's only getting worse. I'm just not sure what to say. Oi, he's in the shower, and I can hear him crying. I may have to leave for a while.

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[Jagg]

:smalleek:
How many times must I tell you that it's scarcely funny when you know I'm ever so self-doubting??


Thenn I'm going to have to insist you tell me why. Being that you ARE a guy, you DO actually know me, and putting two and two together you must obviously know why I would or wouldnt be liked.
:smallbiggrin: I love putting you on the spot more than words can explain..

All I seem to do on these boards lately is give advice. Jae I get the feeling you aren't going to like what I am about to say....but what the hey.

Jae,

My sister was a tomboy (that's the quaint expression that was used to describe a girl that can kick a footy, doesn't care about getting mud on her jeans, and acts like one-of-the-boys) It's probably got something to do with having to compete with three brothers and never having a doll with an attached head for more than two days. She sounds like you. Had lots of male friends but was sadly lacking in the romance department, thought most girls were vapid little airheads. Until there was a school function and she wore a very feminine dress, used makeup, did her nails etc and got up on stage to sing. The boys suddenly realized OMG she's HOT. Whereupon she got so MUCH male attention after that, that her three brothers had to physically threaten a few boys to leave her alone or we'd break their legs. (She had serious words with her brothers over this issue, which we completely ignored and kept the creeps away from her).

Jae if you seriously WANT to attract the attention of the opposite sex you need to glam up. Treat it as a science experiment if you want, and see how many dropping jaws and double takes you can get. HOWEVER I do not recommend that you do so. You will most likely attract the attention of those that you do not want to attract.

In regards to most men (get ready for HUGE generalization), which do you think they would prefer. To walk in to a room beside a girl that makes every other guy in the room jealous. Or to walk into a room with a girl that no one notices?

Hope that wasn't harsh

[Jae]

Oi, he's in the shower, and I can hear him crying.

Awwww.. :smallfrown:
I don't know what it is about people crying that just completely tears me up :smallfrown:

I'm very sorry. That's horrible. I, myself, have three dogs and a cat. I'm VERY attached to my pets. And vets, animal trainers, etc are telling us to put one of my dogs (Ashke) down. He is a perfectly healthy, strong dog. I think that's part of the problem. :smallconfused:

He has a disorder of sorts in which he is UNREASONABLY afraid of everything, and it results in him attack anybody, ANYBODY outside of our family. He's very protective of us all, very scared of anybody else. Whats worse is he's rather big and muscular, and he could very well kill somebody. But the thought of me giving him up honestly brings me to tears. I honestly can't imagine my life without him. I actually feel like he helped me through a lot of tough times, one of them being the death of somebody I still dearly miss.

Ugh an ex of mine would joke about it whenever I was upset at the whole idea, like it was funny. And, yes, I often joke that my dog is a horrible threat and all that but NOT when I'm upset at the reality of it. (heh thats another rant. Shouldve dumped that kid early on..)

Case in point: I can relate to the feeling, and my best wishes to you.

[Jae]

@ Jagg.

Maybe I misread, but I scarcely find the notion harsh. Maybe it's because I don't find myself the kind of girl that attracts no attention. On the contrary, I get attention from strangers I don't even care about :smallconfused: I'm certainly not horridly ugly or anything.

But, likewise, I'm definitely not going to "glam it up." That's not me. I would never change what I'm comfortable with for any guy, regardless. I like my jeans and my plain t-shirts and shoes that I've worn for nearly two years now. And, I like that about me. Haha YES I LIKE that I can feel decent looking without dressing up and wearing a ton of make-up.

Needless to say, if he doesn't see me for me I don't want him to see me at all. Which, isn't really the case at all. We're friends, I think he's aware I have a fairly decent personality and I also think he's somewhat aware I'm nice-looking.

I KNOW RIGHT, SO WHAT SHOULD BE THE PROBLEM?
I don't even know.

[Hell Puppi]

@^Timing? Him possibly being unsure of himself? Who knows?

I'm not a person that regularly 'glams it up', that's my mom. I didn't seem to get the gene that allowed me to coordinate an outfit perfectly like she can, so I'm a jeans-and-sneakers kind of girl.

In all honesty sometimes you just have to wait. Eventually if they're interested they will let you know and if the wait bothers you, bring up the subject yourself. If he's not interested in you the way you are, then glamming yourself up and pretending to be someone else won't help your case, as he'll be after the girl you pretended to be, not you.

[Aereshaa_the_2nd]

I have to let off a little steam:

Every other kid in all my classes is an idiot. The people I am talking about are the ones who have the nerve to lean over to me and say, out loud: "PENIS!!" The sheer immaturity of these empty-headed morons gets on my nerves so badly that sometimes I think I'm about to go on a rampage.
I've tolerated the immaturity of other kids in general since the 1st grade, and now, EIGHT %&* YEARS later, I haven't seen a bit of change. :smallmad: And not only that, but they have the gall, the impudence, to then proclaim that I am stupid, because I refuse to join them in their ignorance.
And now, I seek an answer to a question: WHY can they not act civilized, WHY can they not see how stupid they sound, and WHY are they not still repeating 4th grade, given their lack of common sense or dignity?

[Lady Tialait]

I have to let off a little steam:

Every other kid in all my classes is an idiot. The people I am talking about are the ones who have the nerve to lean over to me and say, out loud: "PENIS!!" The sheer immaturity of these empty-headed morons gets on my nerves so badly that sometimes I think I'm about to go on a rampage.
I've tolerated the immaturity of other kids in general since the 1st grade, and now, EIGHT %&* YEARS later, I haven't seen a bit of change. :smallmad: And not only that, but they have the gall, the impudence, to then proclaim that I am stupid, because I refuse to join them in their ignorance.
And now, I seek an answer to a question: WHY can they not act civilized, WHY can they not see how stupid they sound, and WHY are they not still repeating 4th grade, given their lack of common sense or dignity?


um....

I don't know I'm 23 and me and my friends usually walk down the streets of my little hometown and yell at the top of our lungs 'BUTTSEX', for the heck of it. Then again. They are all guys, i'm the only chick, so....um..*runs away*....needless to say...PENIS = teehee.

[mercurymaline]

I have to let off a little steam:

Every other kid in all my classes is an idiot. The people I am talking about are the ones who have the nerve to lean over to me and say, out loud: "PENIS!!" The sheer immaturity of these empty-headed morons gets on my nerves so badly that sometimes I think I'm about to go on a rampage.
I've tolerated the immaturity of other kids in general since the 1st grade, and now, EIGHT %&* YEARS later, I haven't seen a bit of change. :smallmad: And not only that, but they have the gall, the impudence, to then proclaim that I am stupid, because I refuse to join them in their ignorance.
And now, I seek an answer to a question: WHY can they not act civilized, WHY can they not see how stupid they sound, and WHY are they not still repeating 4th grade, given their lack of common sense or dignity?


People get dumber in larger groups, especially societally constructed forced social groups (i.e., school.) Be proud that you can see how stupid they seem, it means you're not. The only comfort I can offer (small comfort, I'm sure) is the fact that the first day after high school is over will be the best day ever at that point. I promise.

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[Jae]

Ohgosh yes. Another one.

Im serious, don't even read these anymore heh. I just have too many thoughts jumping around in my head and I generally like to keep a record of them somewhere. It's easier when you don't actually KNOW the people your ranting to in real life because hey whose going to judge ya :smallbiggrin:
(Okay so I know one person. But this isn't anything I wouldnt tell him anyways)
I is stoopid. And failing chemistry. yippee.
I hate the entire school system. Heh, discussed this with my english teacher at lunch.. nooo I dont just hang out with my teachers everyday at lunch but yeah I guess I did today. Anyways, we were talking about how messed up no kid left behind is and how it's ridiculous to force kids into AP. And then I whined to him about how I was ridiculously graded on a book report (mostly because I think he'd sympathize, knowing that Im not a horrid writer) and how I did NOT want to go to AP because I wanted to learn for me not for the grade.

I wish I was passionate about being a 4.0 kid still, but truth is..I don't care. I don't care about the label of "smart" in that sense, and I don't want to feed into this system that I despise. I'm going to try a little harder I think, though. I dont know what to even think about it anymore, I'm stuck. I can't wait to get out of this town. Anyways.

Failing and grades and Darfur fight aside, today was decent. Ehh I think I did scream at this kid in P.E. today. He didn't actually really bug me, but I was on this entire concept and he ruined my train of thought and my immediate reaction was to yell at him for it. He mocked me, and then I stopped listening..desperately trying to remember my lost thought......which I didnt even do :smallmad: Sick of high school kids, sick of this particular kid bugging me. He's under the impression I don't hate him and that I enjoy his mindless banter..
I do, and I don't.

STILL OTHER THAN THAT! I think I was basically complimented today :smallsmile: Okay so that isn't extremely out of the ordinary, I get superficial compliments frequently, really. But this was sincere, and in a rather deep conversation with a friend of mine. She said I was unexpecting in my strength, that I throw people off in being bold. And that I just carry myself with that sort of assurance.
It was nice to hear. Ironic, but nice. I'm glad people are mostly convinced of my confidence, because I scarcely am. I'm self doubting, to the extreme.

THAT REMINDS ME THAT REMINDS ME, her and I had this epiphany moment today. I said the one thing I never doubted was that I question everything. Really, my entire life is questions of sorts. I ask questions bluntly, I question all authority, etc. You know that curiosity of "why? why? but why?" that we all had as kids?
I never lost that curiosity.
AND THEN SHE POINTED OUT that maybe it's the reason I'm so extremely paranoid. I question everything deeply, even to the point of questioning everything about myself and everything that people say.

And shes completely and utterly right. That's the simple root of it. I don't know why I didn't realize it before..
my favorite quality is also somewhat causing my own demise :smallamused:



The end. and if you read this, I can only apologize so much because I told you otherwise.

[Cobra_Ikari]

Ohgosh yes. Another one.

Im serious, don't even read these anymore heh. I just have too many thoughts jumping around in my head and I generally like to keep a record of them somewhere. It's easier when you don't actually KNOW the people your ranting to in real life because hey whose going to judge ya :smallbiggrin:
(Okay so I know one person. But this isn't anything I wouldnt tell him anyways)
I is stoopid. And failing chemistry. yippee.
I hate the entire school system. Heh, discussed this with my english teacher at lunch.. nooo I dont just hang out with my teachers everyday at lunch but yeah I guess I did today. Anyways, we were talking about how messed up no kid left behind is and how it's ridiculous to force kids into AP. And then I whined to him about how I was ridiculously graded on a book report (mostly because I think he'd sympathize, knowing that Im not a horrid writer) and how I did NOT want to go to AP because I wanted to learn for me not for the grade.

I wish I was passionate about being a 4.0 kid still, but truth is..I don't care. I don't care about the label of "smart" in that sense, and I don't want to feed into this system that I despise. I'm going to try a little harder I think, though. I dont know what to even think about it anymore, I'm stuck. I can't wait to get out of this town. Anyways.

Failing and grades and Darfur fight aside, today was decent. Ehh I think I did scream at this kid in P.E. today. He didn't actually really bug me, but I was on this entire concept and he ruined my train of thought and my immediate reaction was to yell at him for it. He mocked me, and then I stopped listening..desperately trying to remember my lost thought......which I didnt even do :smallmad: Sick of high school kids, sick of this particular kid bugging me. He's under the impression I don't hate him and that I enjoy his mindless banter..
I do, and I don't.

STILL OTHER THAN THAT! I think I was basically complimented today :smallsmile: Okay so that isn't extremely out of the ordinary, I get superficial compliments frequently, really. But this was sincere, and in a rather deep conversation with a friend of mine. She said I was unexpecting in my strength, that I throw people off in being bold. And that I just carry myself with that sort of assurance.
It was nice to hear. Ironic, but nice. I'm glad people are mostly convinced of my confidence, because I scarcely am. I'm self doubting, to the extreme.

THAT REMINDS ME THAT REMINDS ME, her and I had this epiphany moment today. I said the one thing I never doubted was that I question everything. Really, my entire life is questions of sorts. I ask questions bluntly, I question all authority, etc. You know that curiosity of "why? why? but why?" that we all had as kids?
I never lost that curiosity.
AND THEN SHE POINTED OUT that maybe it's the reason I'm so extremely paranoid. I question everything deeply, even to the point of questioning everything about myself and everything that people say.

And shes completely and utterly right. That's the simple root of it. I don't know why I didn't realize it before..
my favorite quality is also somewhat causing my own demise :smallamused:



The end. and if you read this, I can only apologize so much because I told you otherwise.

Wow. You have a lot of rant in you...

Also, I think questioning is the only real way to learn something. It also reinforces things that you already knew. Sometimes?

*hugs*...aww, don't doubt yourself! :smallfrown:

Also, high school sucks, and if you need chem help, I can maybe do that.



Today I discovered that I don't understand death. And that I really, truly, deeply hate the guy who lives across the hall. The end. >.>

[Jae]

Yes, I do. I could go on forever
If you think those are long, you should be in my head. It's one constant, philosophical rant. I'm so up in my head it's starting to become a little rude.

I don't think doubting myself is as negative as it sounds. It's motivation, to say the least.

Ehh helping online doesnt work for me. I mean, I need somebody actually around to go through it with me, or I just wont get it. Just has to do with the kind of learner I am, I suppose.

Ahhhh. Whenever I'm distant from death, it seems like such a concrete concept. But then somebody around me dies and, I swear, nothing even makes sense anymore. I walk around in a pensive daze, more so than usual, and I find everything repetitive and trivial.

Especially recently. Well, not really recently, but this summer. I also always have this thought that the world should stop when an amazing person dies.. and an amazing one did. Yeah.

[Cobra_Ikari]

Yes, I do. I could go on forever
If you think those are long, you should be in my head. It's one constant, philosophical rant. I'm so up in my head it's starting to become a little rude.

I don't think doubting myself is as negative as it sounds. It's motivation, to say the least.

Ehh helping online doesnt work for me. I mean, I need somebody actually around to go through it with me, or I just wont get it. Just has to do with the kind of learner I am, I suppose.

Ahhhh. Whenever I'm distant from death, it seems like such a concrete concept. But then somebody around me dies and, I swear, nothing even makes sense anymore. I walk around in a pensive daze, more so than usual, and I find everything repetitive and trivial.

Especially recently. Well, not really recently, but this summer. I also always have this thought that the world should stop when an amazing person dies.. and an amazing one did. Yeah.

...*hugs*...aww...I'm sorry...

...also...sorry I can't help with the chem. Unless, you know, meetup. Not like that'll happen. :P

...hmm. See, I've had several people I'm close to die around me...and yet, I only just noticed that...I didn't really notice them dying. Or feel much of anything I mean, even now, it kinda feels like they're still alive, just...not here? It just concerns me, that's all...

Also, your mind sounds like a fun place. *nods*

...and I'm further sorry for never answering to any topic in order. >.>

[MisterSaturnine]

Hey, I'm failing Chemistry too!

Your rant has reminded me of something I've ranted about before. And by before, I mean yesterday, to my mother.


I'm totally with you with the not really caring about school thing, 'cause it seems really pointless. I'm complete sh** at Chemistry and Math, all three careers I'd be interested in (and that can, thankfully, be practiced simultaneously, for the most part), don't require them. Even the classes I like aren't going to be of much use to me later on.

So why I do have to waste most of my childhood on school? It's so fundamentally wrong that there'd be a system in place that makes you feel burned out at 16. At 16, you should be wanting to go out and eat the world alive. I'd rather stay home and nap. That just isn't right, because I'm not really a lazy guy. I like to be kept occupied by something, even if it's just playing music in my head, most of the time.

Plus, they (they being administration, colleges, teachers, etc.) make school out to be something so important--you're there for 7 hours, just an hour shorter than the standard 9 to 5 workday. It ends up being longer, however, 'cause with the standard workday doesn't expect you to take your work home with you. School requires you to do just that for hours everyday, including large amounts over the weekend. And kids are considered less able to do lots of work, keep track of a bunch of things, etcetera, than adults. Plus you're considered a bit lazy if you don't do at least one or two extra-curriculars (although I thoroughly enjoy mine). And at least work has a fairly obvious benefit--you get paid for it, or if it's volunteer work, then the satisfaction of aiding whatever cause you're working for. Not so with school. With the school, the only benefit is so you can be further educated (in a way I hope is more productive) at college. So basically, you're just jumping through hoops.

I really wish you could choose a major in High School. :smallfrown:

Also, on the death thing, for some reason, the world makes more sense when someone close to me dies, because it's like a story ending. I get to see their entire life laid out, start to finish. It's not very comforting, but it has an eerie, orderly finality to it.

I can empathize with your loss, though. Last summer, someone very important to me died as well. He was only 20 years old, a comedic genius, and something of an older brother/mentor to me. I'm open to a PM discussing death of people close to you, if you're up for it.

[Jae]

Gah..I'm procrastinating this stupid essay so badly. I can't make myself excited about reciting facts "differently" than the way they were written.
MY SOURCES ALREADY SAY IT THE WAY I WOULD! Literally, I have exacts facts in my head that I'd write out and so I go to find a source to match and they say it exactly the same :smallfurious:

Anyways. Yes. The school system as a whole is messed up. And I hate that we're still so underestimated because all we have to deal with is school, which is ever so simple. Y'know, it's changed quite a lot in just the past few years..oh, with our capitalist society taking over it with no kid left behind and all...

Blah as far as extra curriculars go, I run both Cross Country and Track (in between those seasons, I'm training. From the second track ends to when cross country begins and vice versa, I'm giving it all my free time..) I am one of those geeky Speech and Debate kids, I was (not even sure we do anything anymore) in and Animal Friends club on campus, and I created my own club which I now have to fight for. Which takes up more time than you'd think. My entire night has been Darfur-filled, from petitions to research essay to bulletin note. Gah.

I hate to sound weak (I'm not) but, yeah, it's slightly overwhelming.

And through all this what am I being judged for?
My grades. A stupid label on intelligence that hardly holds accurate.

And I, personally, don't find myself stupid..

I'm just not going to play this damned game because it's asked of me. Period. (heh after that I accidentally put a comma..)

[Gaelbert]

Ha. You think you have it bad. I just found out that my topic, recommended by my teacher, actually took place before the target time era. This means that the "theme" of the essay has effectiviely been destroyed, and I have no idea what to write about. I think I'll just ignore the instructions, anyways. But I still have to write 6 paragraphs on it.

[Cobra_Ikari]

Gah..I'm procrastinating this stupid essay so badly. I can't make myself excited about reciting facts "differently" than the way they were written.
MY SOURCES ALREADY SAY IT THE WAY I WOULD! Literally, I have exacts facts in my head that I'd write out and so I go to find a source to match and they say it exactly the same :smallfurious:

Anyways. Yes. The school system as a whole is messed up. And I hate that we're still so underestimated because all we have to deal with is school, which is ever so simple. Y'know, it's changed quite a lot in just the past few years..oh, with our capitalist society taking over it with no kid left behind and all...

Blah as far as extra curriculars go, I run both Cross Country and Track (in between those seasons, I'm training. From the second track ends to when cross country begins and vice versa, I'm giving it all my free time..) I am one of those geeky Speech and Debate kids, I was (not even sure we do anything anymore) in and Animal Friends club on campus, and I created my own club which I now have to fight for. Which takes up more time than you'd think. My entire night has been Darfur-filled, from petitions to research essay to bulletin note. Gah.

I hate to sound weak (I'm not) but, yeah, it's slightly overwhelming.

And through all this what am I being judged for?
My grades. A stupid label on intelligence that hardly holds accurate.

And I, personally, don't find myself stupid..

I'm just not going to play this damned game because it's asked of me. Period. (heh after that I accidentally put a comma..)

...if you didn't feel overwhelmed by all that, I'd think something was seriously wrong with you.

...you seem very "fight-the-system"y, by the way. >.>

[FireFox]

Cobra, you make that sound like a bad thing :smalltongue: . I am partly he type to fight the system, I can see through the games they play and I change the rules on them for fun, or I used to, then I realized that to get where i want to be, I have to follow the system... :smallyuk: :smallsmile:

[Cobra_Ikari]

Cobra, you make that sound like a bad thing :smalltongue: . I am partly he type to fight the system, I can see through the games they play and I change the rules on them for fun, or I used to, then I realized that to get where i want to be, I have to follow the system... :smallyuk: :smallsmile:

It's not a bad thing at all...I could never do it, though. I love the system too much. >.>

That does not mean what you think it means. Excuse me, I have to go find something. :smallfrown:

[Hell Puppi]

Anyways. Yes. The school system as a whole is messed up. And I hate that we're still so underestimated because all we have to deal with is school, which is ever so simple. Y'know, it's changed quite a lot in just the past few years..oh, with our capitalist society taking over it with no kid left behind and all...


I hate to sound weak (I'm not) but, yeah, it's slightly overwhelming.

And through all this what am I being judged for?
My grades. A stupid label on intelligence that hardly holds accurate.

And I, personally, don't find myself stupid..

I'm just not going to play this damned game because it's asked of me. Period. (heh after that I accidentally put a comma..)




Indeed.
I once had a conversation (in front of the whole class) with a substitute teacher who asked "what was missing in high school?". Normally (I was much more shy back then, compared to what I am now) I wouldn't have answered, but no one else spoke up, or even seemed like they were considerering it. I said "It seems like we're missing humanity, philosophy, so much of high school is about beating the GPA and going against your fellow students (to get to the top percent) that you forget how to reason and ask questions for fear of being shut out." He (the sub) agreed and we discussed this.
A few minutes before the bell rang, someone raised their hands and asked "I'm sorry, but I have no idea what you're talking about."
*sigh*
On another note, I became so frustrated with oen of my teacher that I did my last essay, complete with a slide-show presentation, on furries. Yup. This isn't to undermine furries, but this was a few years ago when they weren't that well-known (you'd be hard-pressed to find someone who isn't regularly on the net to know who they are even now). I was just upset because this woman literally said "I don't know how to teach you, and you aren't going to pass this class". Yup, she said that.


Anyway, before I go into college stories (and apologies if I've seemed to think your comments meant something else), I can see why you're upset. Trust me (and I know this won't sound like much help now), but it gets less frustrating in college and once you start working. You still have to deal with people putting a label on you that hardly seems fair, but it is a lot less frustrating. Try to deal with it as best you can.
Or not.
Being the off-the-wall person is fun too.:smallbiggrin:

[Cobra_Ikari]

Being the off-the-wall person is fun too.:smallbiggrin:

How very, very true. Just as long as you're not too off the wall. >.>

[Jae]

But I still have to write 6 paragraphs on it
:smallconfused: I have to write the same paper, y'know. Except mine is expected to be initially brilliant because it's my subject of expertise.
Except now Im doubting that. because its me. and ive only done two paragraphs. gah.
PLUS I have to word a bulletin to be tricky...as in, I need it to attract attention that Im being shut down and still be polite and not raise questions from the lady who puts this crap IN the school bulletin. and she flippin hates me.


...you seem very "fight-the-system"y, by the way

Ha. I'm very fight the system-ey. Really. I'm sure Gaelburt can provide proof to that, too. I'm a natural born skeptic. Question everything, fight it if I disagree. It's in my determined and rather demanding personality.
:smallamused: I'm anything but passive. And, I mostly make my opinions known. I just refused to sit down and shut up.

Heh. I was unreasonably complaining today about a teacher I didnt think liked me to my Japanese teacher (okay I sound like a geek but yes I discuss things with my teachers often. Mostly just English and Japanese) and he said "Her husbands in the military, I think I remember. It must be because you're a bleeding heart liberal" :smallamused:

[Bandededed]

various rants about the school system

Oh how right you all are.

Particularly, I dislike English this year. As my senior year, and having dropped from honors to normal (I wanted to, not had to), I though that I could breeze through this year. Then I met my fresh-from-the-package, This-is-my-first-year-teaching teacher, Miss Bleepidy.

Normally, a first year teacher is either a great experience, or it's just not really good. Very seldom is it horrific. Enter Miss Bleepidy. I try; I honestly got an A on my mid-term, and all the stupid vocab tests (on words I've known since I was freakin' 12-13), and anything at all she throws at us, that is until we come up against any writing assignment.

I don't know if it's because I regressed in writing skills or because she sucks at grading, but I've gone from a B+ to A average to a C+ to B- average on my report card. At most mid-terms, I'm actually almost failing my English class! I BLOODY WELL SPEAK ENGLISH!!

Actually, my first sentence in ^ that paragraph is a lie; I know that I'm getting bad grades because my English teacher dislikes the style with which I write. This makes me angry, because I'm being graded and failed based on my teacher's preference, not my skill as a writer. However, I can't see a better way to get it done, because in English, grading is subjective.

On the other hand, I love grammar. I also love learning other languages, because it's all grammar.

Sigh... I'm actually a little tired right now, and I should go to bed. I'll have more on how I hate the education system as it stands tomorrow or the next day.

[Cobra_Ikari]

*sticks a band-aid on your heart*

That's a very cool thing to be. Go you!

It's reassuring to know such people exist.

[Gaelbert]

:smallconfused: I have to write the same paper, y'know. Except mine is expected to be initially brilliant because it's my subject of expertise.
Except now Im doubting that. because its me. and ive only done two paragraphs. gah.
PLUS I have to word a bulletin to be tricky...as in, I need it to attract attention that Im being shut down and still be polite and not raise questions from the lady who puts this crap IN the school bulletin. and she flippin hates me.



Ha. I'm very fight the system-ey. Really. I'm sure Gaelburt can provide proof to that, too. I'm a natural born skeptic. Question everything, fight it if I disagree. It's in my determined and rather demanding personality.
:smallamused: I'm anything but passive. And, I mostly make my opinions known. I just refused to sit down and shut up.

Don't word it nicely. People need to know exactly what's going on. If you think she actually hates you, let someone else turn it in for you. And if she refuses to print it, make fliers that simultaneously scream bloody murder and that you're being oppressed.

If people always went with the system, we would be stuck back in the Stone Ages. Don't worry about it.

Heh. School system. Funny stuff. We have quite possibly the lowest salary to education level ratio for those who are to educate our next generation. And people wonder why all the smart ones pick law or medicine...
I have this teacher. She has no idea what she's doing. We were talking about the French Revolution today. She said it was impossible to destroy class inequality. I asked her about socialism. She, quite shockingly, actually gave the correct definition for that. However, when she got to defining communism, she was quite wrong. That shouldn't have surprised me, as she was the person who told me that teachers weren't allowed to support any sort of club that promoted communism. The First Amendment means what to you?, I was tempted to ask. I hope that wasn't too political.:smalleek:

Also, I have never heard the term "bleeding heart liberal" used in a non-ironic way.

[Jae]

Don't word it nicely. People need to know exactly what's going on. If you think she actually hates you, let someone else turn it in for you. And if she refuses to print it, make fliers that simultaneously scream bloody murder and that you're being oppressed.

I'm ALREADY being opressed. And I can't word it harshly, because no matter who turns it in she's going to read what it SAYS. And she knows I'm the president of DFD. I just need to be sly, because we all know those office ladies know nothing.
I'll let them know at the meeting, trust me. (Which, y'know...a good friend would be there for support...:smallwink:)



If people always went with the system, we would be stuck back in the Stone Ages. Don't worry about it.
We DON'T fight the system, and it's hardly the stone ages. Nahh, more like the corporate capitalist ages where even coffee has been monopolized (is that the word im looking for?)



I have this teacher. She has no idea what she's doing.
DAMN RIGHT SHE HAS NO IDEA WHAT SHES DOING!
Any teacher dense enough to give me a D on a writing assignment doesnt know what she's doing.


Also, I have never heard the term "bleeding heart liberal" used in a non-ironic way.
It's was meant to be ironic. I guess you'd have to understand my teachers personality, to an extent.

[Hell Puppi]

Ha. I'm very fight the system-ey. Really. I'm sure Gaelburt can provide proof to that, too. I'm a natural born skeptic. Question everything, fight it if I disagree. It's in my determined and rather demanding personality.
:smallamused: I'm anything but passive. And, I mostly make my opinions known. I just refused to sit down and shut up.

Heh. I was unreasonably complaining today about a teacher I didnt think liked me to my Japanese teacher (okay I sound like a geek but yes I discuss things with my teachers often. Mostly just English and Japanese) and he said "Her husbands in the military, I think I remember. It must be because you're a bleeding heart liberal" :smallamused:

My husband's in the military, my father was in the military, and several people in my family have been in the military, but I'm a self-described 'liberal'.


Sorry, but the military is composed of many different people with many different thought processes. They're all just people. being in the military doesn't make you republican, democrat or what-have-you. It's a cop-out if someone tells you otherwise.
If someone doesn't like you, then they don't like you, they're reasons are their own. Maybe they're just jerks :smallamused:

[Jagg]

Gah..I'm procrastinating this stupid essay so badly. I can't make myself excited about reciting facts "differently" than the way they were written.
MY SOURCES ALREADY SAY IT THE WAY I WOULD! Literally, I have exacts facts in my head that I'd write out and so I go to find a source to match and they say it exactly the same :smallfurious:

Anyways. Yes. The school system as a whole is messed up. And I hate that we're still so underestimated because all we have to deal with is school, which is ever so simple. Y'know, it's changed quite a lot in just the past few years..oh, with our capitalist society taking over it with no kid left behind and all...

Blah as far as extra curriculars go, I run both Cross Country and Track (in between those seasons, I'm training. From the second track ends to when cross country begins and vice versa, I'm giving it all my free time..) I am one of those geeky Speech and Debate kids, I was (not even sure we do anything anymore) in and Animal Friends club on campus, and I created my own club which I now have to fight for. Which takes up more time than you'd think. My entire night has been Darfur-filled, from petitions to research essay to bulletin note. Gah.

I hate to sound weak (I'm not) but, yeah, it's slightly overwhelming.

And through all this what am I being judged for?
My grades. A stupid label on intelligence that hardly holds accurate.

And I, personally, don't find myself stupid..

I'm just not going to play this damned game because it's asked of me. Period. (heh after that I accidentally put a comma..)



Grumble grumble I think I may change my name to the advice monkey soon.

To all school haters.

Welcome to the wonderful world of competition. At this the cusp of your adult life you are about to experience a level of competition that you have not reached before. You'll do standarisation tests whose purpose is to pigeonhole you to a certain level. This will further pigeonhole you into what place of higher learning you can reach, and what course/career you may study for.

It's the salmon run, and you're all swimming upstream against the current of life and you're competing swimmers.

I don't want to depress you but that also doesn't change when you leave school. You tend to get MORE responsibility piled on you, like having a place to live, food on the table, paying bills etc etc. Unless you are Paris Hilton, you will need to work for a living, and the pidgeonholing is designed to get you to the job that you can do. Are you ready for an exciting career in food service? Because if you don't have a high school diploma, those potential employers who might take a chance on a young smart kid, won't take a chance on a young dumb kid (and they'll decide if you are smart or dumb based on your school results before they even meet you).

Swim well new fish, because once you hit the workforce you'll also be competeing against those that are older and more experienced and EVERYONE hears those words at some stage, "We are looking for someone with more experience" and you start to say things like, "How am I going to GET experience if no one will give me a job?"

Get used to competition, because it will be one of the few things in your lives that will always be present in some form until the day you die...So you might as well get good at it.

As a fellow inmate of this insane asylum called life I formally welcome you.

*NEW FISH, NEW FISH, NEW FISH, NEW FISH"

[Gaelbert]

We DON'T fight the system, and it's hardly the stone ages. Nahh, more like the corporate capitalist ages where even coffee has been monopolized (is that the word im looking for?)

But people did in the past, and that's why our culture has changed.


Lots of stuff.*NEW FISH, NEW FISH, NEW FISH, NEW FISH"

But can't we all like, go on strike or do something hippyish? I've got a guitar, everybody else can sit down and sing the classic "Why Can't We Be Friends." I've always wanted to do a little civil disobedience before I get too old.

[Jae]

Err not to ignore the other people but I kinda need to answer this first, or my train of thought will go out the window.


But people did in the past, and that's why our culture has changed.


But, we don't anymore. Or, even more so, we feel our primitive fight-or-flight nature when it isn't needed. What I mean by that is, we think of only ourselves in our CAPITALIST CAPITALIST CAPITALIST society (don't you love how Im using that phrase constantly?) when, really, we're at a point where we need to think of the good for humanity. Instead, our main concern is ourselves..as if we still live in a world where survival of the fittest holds true. I mean, it does hold true, but it doesn't have to. It's a ridiculous rule to live by.

"We'll never get anything right until we live in a world of 'we' not 'me.'"

[MisterSaturnine]

I don't want to depress you but that also doesn't change when you leave school. You tend to get MORE responsibility piled on you, like having a place to live, food on the table, paying bills etc etc. Unless you are Paris Hilton, you will need to work for a living, and the pidgeonholing is designed to get you to the job that you can do. Are you ready for an exciting career in food service? Because if you don't have a high school diploma, those potential employers who might take a chance on a young smart kid, won't take a chance on a young dumb kid (and they'll decide if you are smart or dumb based on your school results before they even meet you).

Oh, I'm not afraid of responsibility and I like working (and I have before, at a job where I actually had a pretty good amount of influence, and thus responsibility). It's just when it's for little to no actual reason other than so you can do other things (that it doesn't even really prepare you for that much) that it bothers me. And I have no intentions of dropping out. If I do that, I can't say that I took my vorpal sword in hand, lopped High School's head off with a snicker-snack, and gallumphed off to college.

[Cobra_Ikari]

...what about a world of "them"?

[Hell Puppi]

Eh, more responsibility is one thing. I prefer that than being treated like a 4th grader who doesn't know what's good for herself (though in 5 years of working, I still get this at times because I'm realitivly (sp) young). Though I do handle money pretty well...it's just I'd rather be poor than be poor and be looked down upon.

Edit: "Them" are always going to be there. No matter where you look, no matter where you hide," them" are still there.
The best advice I can figure is still 'be the change you wish to see in the world'. Be kind, be understanding.

[Jae]

But can't we all like, go on strike or do something hippyish? I've got a guitar, everybody else can sit down and sing the classic "Why Can't We Be Friends." I've always wanted to do a little civil disobedience before I get too old.


I vote we do.
yeah lets go sit on the corner of that intersection in between us and sing songs. sounds good. :smallamused:

[Serpentine]

Ugh, English. Don't get me started on English :smallyuk:

The really depressing thing is English was my best and favourite class before I got to year 11 and 12. That bloody teacher... she actually told me "I've been teaching this class for a long time, I think I know better than you!", just because I wanted to talk to her about some comments on a piece I wrote that I disagreed with! Of course, to add insult to injury there, one of the comments was that I was "too repetitive" in a spot, that it was badly written. A couple of classes later, she praised another piece of writing for using exactly the same sort of repetitive technique! :smallfurious: It was a rubbish piece, that one of mine, but it was still a pain.
I could have been doing Othello that year. Othello. Instead I did horrible books that she literally told me she picked for the sake of the Lowest Common Denominator.
Also, I have never ever ever studied any Shakespear whatsoever.

[Vaynor]

I think what would make the biggest difference in public schools in America is if the funding per student for a school was instead attached to the individual student. That way, if a school wasn't good enough, a student could take their funding elsewhere. Introducing a business element is all we need to make schools get competitive and really embrace actual education rather than paying college grads to talk for hours on end.

That said, I'd like to second the idea of majors in high school. I have no interest in science, suck at science, do not want a future in science, but the least my chem teacher could do is teach me the information I need to know for the test. Then, of course, my dad gets mad at me because I'm not doing well, and thinks bad teacher is just some lame excuse. :smallmad:

Speaking of English class, I was in class today reading my book (The Mysterious Island by Jules Verne) in the spare time I had before the bell rang and the kid next to me looks at me strangely and asks, "What are you doing?"
Me: ...Reading..?
Him: Why?
Me: It's a good book, why else?
Him: Was it assigned? Because I didn't know about it...
Me: :smallconfused:

Ah, the youth of America.

[Hell Puppi]

Then, of course, my dad gets mad at me because I'm not doing well, and thinks bad teacher is just some lame excuse. :smallmad:

I've had many a bad teachers, the worst I've said before. In college at least you have about a week before you can withdraw and choose something else, in high school you don't get that luxury.
(also, just to let you know, you're first instincts on whether a teacher will be good or crap are generally right. I've only had one teacher blur into the 'maybe' line. I thought he was arrogant until he put me in for a scholarship, that I got, but he also said "I can't teach you anything, just work on perspective, okay?" This is only my experience, but eh, Many people have expressed this sentiment,)

[Hoggy]

Studying Othello is overrated.

[Serpentine]

I wouldn't know :smallannoyed:

[Jagg]

Oh, I'm not afraid of responsibility and I like working (and I have before, at a job where I actually had a pretty good amount of influence, and thus responsibility). It's just when it's for little to no actual reason other than so you can do other things (that it doesn't even really prepare you for that much) that it bothers me. And I have no intentions of dropping out. If I do that, I can't say that I took my vorpal sword in hand, lopped High School's head off with a snicker-snack, and gallumphed off to college.

Do you mean when you are taught how to calculate the volume of a pyramid and you think to yourself...What sort of lame ass job would I be doing if I had to work out the volume of a pyramid...on paper. Or when in the job market is giving a 6000 word essay on othello going to be necessary? That sort of thing?

You know it's not about teaching you that right? It's about training information pathways in your brain. By the age of three most people have connected about 90% of their neural pathways. (filled with things like balance, hand eye co-ordination, vision, speach etc etc) which leaves 10% to be filled up with specialized knowledge, called learnin'. Teachers are trying to stimulate those neural pathways (I mean come on they KNOW you're never going to use the ability to calculate the volume of a pyramid in real life)

JAGG

[Quincunx]

Returning to unreasonable ranting:

(draws a deep breath)
Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeyaddup!

That was surprisingly cathartic.

[Bandededed]

Do you mean when you are taught how to calculate the volume of a pyramid and you think to yourself...What sort of lame ass job would I be doing if I had to work out the volume of a pyramid...on paper. Or when in the job market is giving a 6000 word essay on othello going to be necessary? That sort of thing?

Yes actually, that sort of thing. I want a major in computer programming or something similar, but look! I still need to take english. It doesn't matter that the coding I'll be doing cares about a completely different set of grammar rules and that it actually rewards typing as little as possible.

I once asked an adult why anyone would have to take a class that was outside their major or minor in college, and her response was "They want you to be well-rounded."

SCREW WELL-ROUNDED. When was the last time you needed to know geography!

I feel like I'm being dragged to school every morning at or before sunrise -it's training for the real world, my parents (who wake up after I've been at school for almost an hour) say - sit there for 7ish hours to "learn" things that I'm not going to use. Period.

Or let's say, for some ungodly reason, I actually need to know how to take the anti-derivitive of ax+17x^2+12x+y^6. Should this event ever occur, I'm quite certain that I could easily find out how to do it, or even the answer, on the internet.

Wow, that turned into a rant when I wasn't looking :smallbiggrin:
Major's in high-school are thirded.

[Cobra_Ikari]

Hey! I like calculus! >.>

...meh. It seems you'll always be learning something that appears absolutely worthless to you. Or a teacher whose style you don't agree with. On that note, damn, do I hate it when a teacher "teaches" straight out of the book. I'm not illiterate, and I haven't been for over a decade and a half. Let me read the damn book myself!

[FireFox]

hm, i realize that we have already moved past civil disobedience, but theis thread is unreasonable, and I have a short rant. Partly because of my church, I meet a lot of "bleeding heart liberals". they confuse the heck out of me. I wish to either a) make a career out of the military. or b) try to get into the FBI's HRT. I'd prefer military for two reasons: I forsee that particular area having a LOT of activity by the time I get of proper age, considering the world's lovely condition. and two, I seem to have a knack for tactical/strategic brilliance; fighting a war perversely appeals to me. I can just tell that I'm going to be slammed for this, go ahead and call me a warmonger if you want, but that's how I am. If I believed in reincarnation, I'd say I was a warrior in half of my past lives. :smallamused:

[Shraik]

Hi everybody! Guess what? I am now plotting great revenge against someone! Here it goes People!
Now, I go to school. At school, there is this kid. This kid has made it a past time of tormenting me, and some good friends of mine to. He has told me to kill myself before. He makes me the target on constant religous slander. He has gone so far as to taunt me during lunch, about his one friend( I happen to like this friend, and thats what he happened to be tormenting me about), who was 3 feet away, and could hear everything. He's been doing this over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over He won't stop. He's the epitamy of annoying, and a hypocrit about it too. Claiming he has a life, and has better things to do then torment people, he doesn't do more then torment people. So, Its payback time from good old shraik. I am going to show him how it feels.

[Cobra_Ikari]

hm, i realize that we have already moved past civil disobedience, but theis thread is unreasonable, and I have a short rant. Partly because of my church, I meet a lot of "bleeding heart liberals". they confuse the heck out of me. I wish to either a) make a career out of the military. or b) try to get into the FBI's HRT. I'd prefer military for two reasons: I forsee that particular area having a LOT of activity by the time I get of proper age, considering the world's lovely condition. and two, I seem to have a knack for tactical/strategic brilliance; fighting a war perversely appeals to me. I can just tell that I'm going to be slammed for this, go ahead and call me a warmonger if you want, but that's how I am. If I believed in reincarnation, I'd say I was a warrior in half of my past lives. :smallamused:

...the world needs people to make war just as much as it needs people to cry out against it. Such is life.

Also, good luck, and don't get shot. *hugs*

EDIT: Shraik? Umm...revenge...isn't good, dude...*hugs*...I'm sorry you've got an ******* bothering you, but fighting back really won't win any battles...

I don't know if any of that is remotely at all...anything. *hugs*

[FireFox]

...the world needs people to make war just as much as it needs people to cry out against it. Such is life.

Also, good luck, and don't get shot. *hugs*

EDIT: Shraik? Umm...revenge...isn't good, dude...*hugs*...I'm sorry you've got an ******* bothering you, but fighting back really won't win any battles...

I don't know if any of that is remotely at all...anything. *hugs*

...
the first part: wage would be a better word, I dont want to start a war just for figting sake but yeah. i dont want to get into politics.

second part: thanks i guess

third part: revenge may not be nice, but come on Cobra! I kno you meant in this specific case but still...

[Cobra_Ikari]

...revenge just...it isn't good for you. It hurts you more, man. *nods*

[FireFox]

Punishment then

but then you havevigilante justice andthat isntgood...

[Cobra_Ikari]

Punishment then

but then you havevigilante justice andthat isntgood...

...revenge is vigilante justice... >.>

I'm getting confused. In general, the hurty of the people is bad and preferably avoided. Though in some cases, you could argue, necessary.

I don't like to think about hurting people. I've done it far more often than I would like...

[North]

I dont know about that. I can think of a couple instances where getting revenge has made me feel quite better about things. Of course Im not a good person :smallamused:

[FireFox]

...i blame my being wrong on a lackof sleep and a surplusof stress...

I have this additude: if you mess with me or mine, I will make you regret it. and that doesn't necessarily mean physical violence: nothing says "stay away from me" like a blood-curdeling threat. You neverhave to act onit, and if the person already thinks of you as un stable, they are ~84% more likelly to leave you alone. the problem in this day andage of course is that one one can get into alot of trouble this way. :smallsigh: I generally try to avoid stooping to violence, but call me old fashioned if you will: I'll fight for the sake of mine or someone else's honor... wherewas I going with this again? oh yeah, an "unreasonable rant" onrevenge and today's laws :smallwink:

[Cobra_Ikari]

...i blame my being wrong on a lackof sleep and a surplusof stress...

I have this additude: if you mess with me or mine, I will make you regret it. and that doesn't necessarily mean physical violence: nothing says "stay away from me" like a blood-curdeling threat. You neverhave to act onit, and if the person already thinks of you as un stable, they are ~84% more likelly to leave you alone. the problem in this day andage of course is that one one can get into alot of trouble this way. :smallsigh: I generally try to avoid stooping to violence, but call me old fashioned if you will: I'll fight for the sake of mine or someone else's honor... wherewas I going with this again? oh yeah, an "unreasonable rant" onrevenge and today's laws :smallwink:

...I have had bad experiences with violence. Ones I really, really don't intend to repeat. All I can say is that that method would never work for me.

[FireFox]

to each their own. but my prefered reaction to being wronged iseasily infered if you look at my preferedcareer... (i did post that up here, right?)

[Serpentine]

SCREW WELL-ROUNDED. When was the last time you needed to know geography!Actually, I would say that having at least a basic understanding of the makeup of the world is one of the most important things you could have from your education. Do you really want to be one of those people who think kangaroos live in Austria, or that the US takes up the whole of North America? I think it's this sort of attitude, to just touch on a taboo subject, that has really originated and exacerbated a lot of anti-Americanism.
Personally, I have had a terrible experience with geography - my only class in which that was the major component consisted entirely of memorising the positions of the world's countries, rivers etc. and writing them on a map, under a teacher I hated, and I think I can safely say that I learned very little. Combining it with history, though, will give you a much better comprehension of the world and the people living in it. I think this really is at least one of the most important things you can study outside of your area of expertise - unless you intend to spend all your time in your little village in your little office talking only to other people who spend all their time in your little village in their little office talking only to their neighbours etc.

Also: Never ever mistake revenge for justice. Take your revenge if you feel you must, but don't think that you're doing anything good by it, and more specifically don't expect anything good to come of it. Vengence is most certainly not the "high road". Don't pretend otherwise.

[FireFox]

"mercy is the mark of a great man.
"guess im just a good man.
"eh, I'm all right.

[Cobra_Ikari]

"mercy is the mark of a great man.
"guess im just a good man.
"eh, I'm all right.

<3. I love Mal.

Also, anger is a scary, scary thing, isn't it?

[Dragonrider]

"eye for an eye"? Yeah, well, they also say 'two wrongs don't make a right' and it may make you feel better, but at the same time...who's to say that they're the ones in the wrong? Sometimes they're just not thinking. I try (although it's not always possible) to assume the best about other people; generally they aren't trying to be as horrible as you think they are (not always. some people are jerks.)

Also: I agree with Serpentine on geography. Too many Americans don't know the layout of their own COUNTRY, let alone the rest of the world. I told this one girl (8th grade I think?) I was in China and she said - I'm not joking "what state are you in?"

I was like "..."

Yeah. It makes me ashamed. :smalltongue: For them.

[Serpentine]

While I do believe that people are fundamentally good, and just trying to do the right thing, I don't know that I tend to assume the best of people... I more hold to what... Napoleon, was it? said. Something like: "Never attribute to malice what can be explained by stupidity."

[Cobra_Ikari]

I always found geography easy. I think this is from doing those map-based puzzles as a kid. You know, with the countries as pieces?

Also, Serp, that's all well and good, but don't discount malice.

[FireFox]

<3. I love Mal.

Also, anger is a scary, scary thing, isn't it?

Hot anger is a scary and bad thing, it uses you. Cold anger, while still scary (sometimes even more then hot) is useful, you use it. Never be angry without using it to your advantage. Taking that last sentence and appliing it to almost every emotion makes for a very protected person indeed.

"Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it". I study history and apply its lessons to my current life. It works.

[Dragonrider]

While I do believe that people are fundamentally good, and just trying to do the right thing, I don't know that I tend to assume the best of people... I more hold to what... Napoleon, was it? said. Something like: "Never attribute to malice what can be explained by stupidity."

:smallamused: true. I'm also well-known as a cynic, so I guess it's a matter of balancing my two sides. :smallwink:

[Jae]

Claiming he has a life, and has better things to do then torment people, he doesn't do more then torment people.

I just had a rantyful conversation last night about a very irritating boy in my P.E. class. He's arrogant without reason, confident in all his insecurities, and can only hide behind a wall of insults. (Ha, yes, I analyze faults..but I'm usually accurate.) I'm sure this boy has such insecurities as well. If you find them, that may help? Not to use them against them, because I spent way too much of my life using my articulate analysis to hurt people, but just knowing it's easier to show your OWN confidence.

Today I had to walk a lap with said boy, and I was infinitely irritated. At first he said something neutral, because he's only nice when he wants to be, in which I answered "don't say a word to me." short and simple. Of course, he couldn't leave it at that. he said, two minutes later, "I think you're just mad you cant walk with fatty today." I, sharply, said only "No, what I was actually mad about is that I have to listen to your insults that are the equivelant to that of a four year olds." He said only "okay." and was utterly beaten down, didn't say a word to me again.

Real confidence beats anything fake, arrogance vs arrogance. If you know you're better than him, you simply will be. :smallsmile:

[Cobra_Ikari]

I just had a rantyful conversation last night about a very irritating boy in my P.E. class. He's arrogant without reason, confident in all his insecurities, and can only hide behind a wall of insults. (Ha, yes, I analyze faults..but I'm usually accurate.) I'm sure this boy has such insecurities as well. If you find them, that may help? Not to use them against them, because I spent way too much of my life using my articulate analysis to hurt people, but just knowing it's easier to show your OWN confidence.

Today I had to walk a lap with said boy, and I was infinitely irritated. At first he said something neutral, because he's only nice when he wants to be, in which I answered "don't say a word to me." short and simple. Of course, he couldn't leave it at that. he said, two minutes later, "I think you're just mad you cant walk with fatty today." I, sharply, said only "No, what I was actually mad about is that I have to listen to your insults that are the equivelant to that of a four year olds." He said only "okay." and was utterly beaten down, didn't say a word to me again.

Real confidence beats anything fake, arrogance vs arrogance. If you know you're better than him, you simply will be. :smallsmile:

...I don't get you. How can you be confident and self doubting at the same time?

Real confidence may be better, but faking it is easier. And for some, that's all that can be managed. *sighs*

[Serpentine]

I have every confidence in my ability to do almost anything if I really have to, and when I look good (or think I do) I'm quite aware of it. However, I doubt my ability to do these things well, I'm a klutz, I screw up all the time, I'm sure I'm quite annoying, etc. I'm okay at a great many things (speaking largely academically), but I'm good at very few.
There's just different types of confidence *shrug*

[Jae]

Cobra, I'm a walking contradiction. Betchya havent met many people whove described themselves at that?
We're a rare kind.

Truly, though. Through my questioning, my thought, I have doubted everything EXCEPT my ability to question..which is, ultimately, the result of my own downfall. In questioning everything, everything, I doubt what I believe to be true. I may think I'm pretty, but then I doubt it and decide against it. From this, comes all the self doubt and insecurity.

However, I've been told I walk with an air that just screams confidence. I seem sure of myself, which I am. I may doubt it all, but I know that ultimately it's only doubt in the back of my mind.

I'm odd, I'm a contradiction. Some people would call me fake, and I wouldn't blame them. But I'm not. I'm never lying in my confidence, or my insecurity. (Or, am I?) heh. It's more than most people can handle, so I have few close friends that truly understand my personality. Then again, neither do I.

Wierd? absolutely. Individual? definitely. I'm not sure I've met anybody who can call themselves the same.

err, well, maybe one is questionable..

[Cobra_Ikari]

...I'd like to think I'm an individual, too. :P

Also, if there's one thing I've learned, it's that all the people worth your time are going to be weird. But I'd be a bit baised on that account. >.>

...is it odd that I enjoyed being...away...more than I do being here? Hmm.

[FireFox]

Cobra, I'm a walking contradiction. Betchya havent met many people whove described themselves at that?
We're a rare kind.

Truly, though. Through my questioning, my thought, I have doubted everything EXCEPT my ability to question..which is, ultimately, the result of my own downfall. In questioning everything, everything, I doubt what I believe to be true. I may think I'm pretty, but then I doubt it and decide against it. From this, comes all the self doubt and insecurity.

However, I've been told I walk with an air that just screams confidence. I seem sure of myself, which I am. I may doubt it all, but I know that ultimately it's only doubt in the back of my mind.

I'm odd, I'm a contradiction. Some people would call me fake, and I wouldn't blame them. But I'm not. I'm never lying in my confidence, or my insecurity. (Or, am I?) heh. It's more than most people can handle, so I have few close friends that truly understand my personality. Then again, neither do I.

Wierd? absolutely. Individual? definitely. I'm not sure I've met anybody who can call themselves the same.

err, well, maybe one is questionable..

:smalleek: erm... I... uh... drat. thanks a lot, I hate hearing that I'm wrong and you just had to go and spoil my belief that I am the singular walking hypocrisy... :smalltongue:

[Cobra_Ikari]

:smalleek: erm... I... uh... drat. thanks a lot, I hate hearing that I'm wrong and you just had to go and spoil my belief that I am the singular walking hypocrisy... :smalltongue:

...would a walking hypocrisy just stand still? >.>

Thought: I hate lies. And using them.

[FireFox]

yes and im being ironical because im not :smalltongue:

you are infinetely nicer than I. I lie faaar to much and decieve almost unconcsiously