Quote Originally Posted by Kurald Galain View Post
Please be civil here. I said that either the DMG or the 4.4 book had that rule. In this case, DMG1 does.
Context matters. You also said "In fact, the rules for SCs have several other requirements that people who like SCs tend to ignore, and rightly so since these requirements don't work well." To now say that it isn't the rules for skill challenges, it's that the DMG 1 was badly done is simply moving the goalposts. The problem isn't the actual requirements for the skill challenges, as you initially claimed. It's that the DMG 1 needed about an extra year of development before it was produced. And it's not that there are requirements that people who like SCs ignore - it's that people who like SCs actually use one of the versions of them that works.

Your actual opening statement should have read something like "In fact the rules for skill challenges as initially presented had several other requirements that were such a bad idea that WotC erratad them out of the game, as well as fixing the mathematics of what was initially a broken system." A very different statement to the one you decided to open with.