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    Ogre in the Playground
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    Default Re: How to Rend Fiends and Immolate People: A Guide to Sorcery

    Quote Originally Posted by Shining Wrath View Post
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    I'm willing to bump up Cloud of Daggers because when you can engineer a bottleneck, it really does perform fairly well. Crown of Madness, however, still seems too limited to me. Maybe getting a single attack in is pretty lame. If the orc had run toward your party instead of away the Ogre still wouldn't have been able to hit him and your back line would have been in trouble.

    EDIT: To illustrate my point on CoM, you could have just used Suggestion, which also targets WIS, but doesn't involve repeated saves, and just told the ogre to crush those orcs. He could have used his full turn each round to attack the orcs, whose only recourse would have been to run away or to attack him. You wouldn't have gotten repeated saves, you wouldn't have lost his attack each turn he didn't start next to someone, and you still would have neutralized his threat. You could even have just told him to run away, and he would have. In fact, Crown of Madness is strictly inferior to Suggestion.
    Last edited by EvilAnagram; 2015-11-19 at 04:04 PM.