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    Quote Originally Posted by Sholos View Post
    Ah yes. Definitely the same as being in the middle of an active duel while your friends' and comrades' lives are being actively threatened and needing o wrap things up quickly. Yup, totally the same situation.
    Both situations where fear can let the dark side in.

    Just like Anakin's fall was never to do with things right in front of him, but fear for things that might be in the future.

    It's almost like it's a central theme of the whole saga or something.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Samurai View Post
    I'm not sure how you're drawing this conclusion. Luke went in there to redeem his father, not kill him. The Emperor lured him to fight but Luke once again turned his lightsaber off and refused to fight. This was without the dark side. This was Luke, attempting again to do what he set out to do, redeem his father. Then Vader taunts him and gets him to fight, but Luke once again turns off his lightsaber.
    Go and watch the film again. Vader doesn't start taunting until the fight has begun, and when he does it makes Luke angry, he abandons technique and fights with raw force and violence for the first time in the whole series. And it's only when he does that that he has the strength to overpower Vader.

    And that's what the Dark Side is.

    Seriously, go and actually watch the film you're talking about.

    Luke briefly draws on the dark side out of fear of what might happen, and only masters himself after a reminder of what it cost him last time. And there is nothing in the film which demonstrates that he would not do so again because it's the last thing of consequence he actually does in the film.

    The irony. Look, if we go by what's in the movies only, nothing in The Return of the Jedi indicates that Luke would kill his nephew in cold blood for future crimes.
    Apart from Luke's repeatedly established tendency to make poor decisions out of fear, which is explicitly the path to the dark side.

    Luke felt the temptation of the dark side once again when he looked into Ben Solo, and once again he gave in to fear for a brief moment, as he has done many times before. This time he recovered himself too late and it wasn't something he could fix.
    Last edited by GloatingSwine; 2017-12-21 at 09:28 AM.