Quote Originally Posted by Anonymouswizard View Post
Now, my understanding of EC is that it tries to place responsibility on both people. On the person proposing whatever it is for making certain they have consent if and when they're uncertain, and the person subject to the behaviour to be able to remove consent when they're uncomfortable. But there's no attempt to instill that mindset in people in the years where it can truly become ingrained, at least over here.
Indeed, it's two sides of the same coin. Florian has a point that we've pretty much only been discussing the initiator's perspective here.

Because of course, "no" is just as important to teach. It's been and continues to be a huge movement for a reason. But it has so far been putting most of the onus on the person who is not initiating. EC shifts some of that responsibility back while recognizing that in real life, "No means no!" is too simplistic a paradigm to prevent assaults and a-hole behaviour. I don't think anyone wants to argue that no one has any responsibility for saying no, but "No means no!" is only half the solution. We're discussing the other half.