Got a Real-World Weapon, Armor or Tactics Question? Mk. XXV

[Storm Bringer]

Huh!? I always thought it was due to the House of Lancaster being represented by a red rose and the House of York having a white rose. Did this only become a thing after Shakespeare?

I spend a lot of time in York, and there are still white roses everywhere in logos and badges, such as in the York Roast company logo. Damn, now I want a roast pork bap.

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the White Rose was an established symbol of the house of York in the wars, but the Red Rose seems to have come into use only at the end of wars. I'll quote the wiki

The name "Wars of the Roses" refers to the heraldic badges associated with the two royal houses, the White Rose of York and the Red Rose of Lancaster. Wars of the Roses came into common use in the 19th century after the publication in 1829 of Anne of Geierstein by Sir Walter Scott.[6][7] Scott based the name on a scene in William Shakespeare's play Henry VI, Part 1, set in the gardens of the Temple Church, where a number of noblemen and a lawyer pick red or white roses to show their loyalty to the Lancastrian or Yorkist faction respectively.


The Yorkist faction used the symbol of the white rose from early in the conflict, but the Lancastrian red rose was apparently introduced only after the victory of Henry Tudor at the Battle of Bosworth, when it was combined with the Yorkist white rose to form the Tudor rose, which symbolised the union of the two houses;[8] the origins of the Rose as a cognizance itself stem from Edward I's use of "a golden rose stalked proper." [9] Often, owing to nobles holding multiple titles, more than one badge was used: Edward IV, for example, used both his sun in splendour as Earl of March, but also his father's falcon and fetterlock as Duke of York. Badges were not always distinct; at the Battle of Barnet, Edward's 'sun' was very similar to the Earl of Oxford's Vere star, which caused fateful confusion.[10