Quote Originally Posted by Satinavian View Post
We do have GMs. But i mostly play systems that are not D&D are are also not mostly about combat but at the same time very crunchy, so that you have tremendous rule support for mundane non-combat activities.

Well, if the fighter doesn't want to be a magic super soldier, he will obviously be limited to the human possible. And stay significantly weaker than a magic-super soldier in many ways.

The only means to go over mundane (= worldly, like in this world) limits is to aquire explicitely supernatural abilities.

Or to warp the world that what would traditionally supernatural is actually explicitely natural there, but somehow i doubt what you want is a world where creatures called humans despite having little in common with our humans have telepotation and other stuff as innate abilities and the fighter can just train to get more reach with it than the average guy.
1. No, the fighter can be just as strong just with training, the arcane soldier isn't stronger, they're just tapping into a different source of strength.

2. making a lot of assumptions there

3. see, this a train of logic that comes up a lot: your not flexible. you either demand one thing or demand another with no in betweens. this is why you'll never fix this, both of these possibilities invalidate the desired character concept of this discussion. until you can accept a world where a person who with training become extraordinary without magic, yet does not suddenly make everyone just as strong as him by the fact he merely exists, your never going to understand, and you might as well forget discussing this ever again, because your solution does not solve this to me, and never will. all your doing is demanding conformity to your logic, not considering possibilities outside of it.

its a my way or the highway, "super soldier or aliens" mentality. you think that just because its not this supersoldiers it has to be aliens and there is no other explanation. the training could be secret and kept secret so that random kids don't go becoming super-strong and crushing boulders irresponsibly, people might simply not care about being super-strong superman despite a logician proclaiming the contrary there is more important things in life than power after all, and you'd be surprised by what people don't care about. lots of this fiction involving such physical training just make the fighter community a separate one that exists right alongside normal society and normal people being afraid of fighting just don't go near places with fighters, considering them a different class of people that is dangerous to associate with.

your assuming every single human is a knowledge- hungry person obsessed with power and that society will inevitably grab for all secrets and share them to the world in an inexorable march of "knowledge wants to be free" and determined to spread all improvements everywhere just like our own. that is not human nature. its quite easy to make a culture that won't automatically upend what it means to be human with new knowledge, real humans had successfully been doing that for thousands of years until what, a couple centuries ago?

its a common worldbuilders fallacy: "any change to the world must automatically be universal and affect everyone on every level". with no thought on how the change can be limited or controlled so that society can continue to function as it always has without being irrecoverably radically changed forever.