Quote Originally Posted by heavyfuel View Post
+5 is still probably pretty weak. I can't see many builds that would justify a +5 instead of a feat that can grant them amazing abilities. If we were lowering the bonus, I'd add them as potential bonus feats for a few classes like Fighter, Scout, spell-less Ranger/Paladin (AFB right now but I'm pretty sure these last 2 get bonus feats)
+5 is a lot to one save. I can see Martial's picking it up to shore up Will saves in a way that can't be undone. Niche? Sure, but definitely worth the trade