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    Default Re: Master of Many forms and Human Bonus feat

    Quote Originally Posted by Gruftzwerg View Post
    My intention is a showchase in the forums, so I am already asking the "DM(s)"^^
    Aren't the starting packages in the PHB not enough as evidence (e.g human fighter). The human bonus feat follows the same syntax as the fighter bonus feat.
    Finally, since we can try to turn into specific characters it would fitting if I where to assume his selected bonus feat. The way I see it, is that you should be able to wild shape into any legal human bonus feat for a 1st lvl char.
    your gonna have to catch me up here as i dont really use wild shape

    wild shape is as alternate form ability except noted here
    Quote Originally Posted by alternate form
    A creature with this special quality has the ability to assume one or more specific alternate forms. A true seeing spell or ability reveals the creature’s natural form. A creature using alternate form reverts to its natural form when killed, but separated body parts retain their shape. A creature cannot use alternate form to take the form of a creature with a template. Assuming an alternate form results in the following changes to the creature:

    The creature retains the type and subtype of its original form. It gains the size of its new form. If the new form has the aquatic subtype, the creature gains that subtype as well.
    The creature loses the natural weapons, natural armor, and movement modes of its original form, as well as any extraordinary special attacks of its original form not derived from class levels (such as the barbarian’s rage class feature).
    The creature gains the natural weapons, natural armor, movement modes, and extraordinary special attacks of its new form.
    The creature retains the special qualities of its original form. It does not gain any special qualities of its new form.
    The creature retains the spell-like abilities and supernatural attacks of its old form (except for breath weapons and gaze attacks). It does not gain the spell-like abilities or attacks of its new form.
    The creature gains the physical ability scores (Str, Dex, Con) of its new form. It retains the mental ability scores (Int, Wis, Cha) of its original form. Apply any changed physical ability score modifiers in all appropriate areas with one exception: the creature retains the hit points of its original form despite any change to its Constitution.
    The creature retains its hit points and save bonuses, although its save modifiers may change due to a change in ability scores.
    Except as described elsewhere, the creature retains all other game statistics of its original form, including (but not necessarily limited to) HD, hit points, skill ranks, feats, base attack bonus, and base save bonuses.
    The creature retains any spellcasting ability it had in its original form, although it must be able to speak intelligibly to cast spells with verbal components and it must have humanlike hands to cast spells with somatic components.
    The creature is effectively camouflaged as a creature of its new form, and it gains a +10 bonus on Disguise checks if it uses this ability to create a disguise.
    Any gear worn or carried by the creature that can’t be worn or carried in its new form instead falls to the ground in its space. If the creature changes size, any gear it wears or carries that can be worn or carried in its new form changes size to match the new size. (Nonhumanoid-shaped creatures can’t wear armor designed for humanoid-shaped creatures, and vice versa.) Gear returns to normal size if dropped.
    i am not seeing anywhere that it says you getting racial bonus feats. not even in rules compendium.
    alter self explicitly says you get the racial bonus feats so thats why the argument exists but im not seeing anywhere that wild shape gets feats of its new form.

    so lets start there.
    show me the rule that says wild shape gets racial bonus feats like alter self does
    Quote Originally Posted by alter self
    You acquire the physical qualities of the new form while retaining your own mind. Physical qualities include natural size, mundane movement capabilities (such as burrowing, climbing, walking, swimming, and flight with wings, to a maximum speed of 120 feet for flying or 60 feet for nonflying movement), natural armor bonus, natural weapons (such as claws, bite, and so on), racial skill bonuses, racial bonus feats, and any gross physical qualities (presence or absence of wings, number of extremities, and so forth). A body with extra limbs does not allow you to make more attacks (or more advantageous two-weapon attacks) than normal.
    and then from there we need to decide whether by raw the bonus feat humans get is a "racial bonus feat" or just an untyped bonus feat.

    and then from there we need to figure out whether polymorphing into a human who chose the feat you want as their bonus feat counts as polymorphing into a specific or general creature.

    lots of hurdles

    1.wild shape grant feats?
    2. human bonus feat classified as racial bonus feat?
    3. can you polymorph into a specific creature with the feat you want chosen for its bonus feat? or does it work a different way as in you get to select the bonus feat?
    Last edited by newguydude1; 2020-12-19 at 09:28 AM.