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    Default Re: LA Assignment Thread X: New Year, New Management, Same Old Unplayable Monsters

    Quote Originally Posted by liquidformat View Post
    Enthrall first paragraph: 'Any potentially affected creature of a race or religion unfriendly to yours gets a +4 bonus on the saving throw.' pretty much every race is default unfriendly to undead, all good and neutral religions that turn undead are by definition unfriendly to undead. Those two umbrellas cover most everything you are coming across. so that +4 bonus can be seen as a blanket bonus.
    Undead is not a religion, and even if it were, just channeling positive energy doesn't mean that a faith has a specific problem with undead. Pelor, Tamara, or some other specific faiths, sure. As for what races are unfriendly, that's going to be a table-by-table thing. Should a follower of those deities get the "I particularly hate undead" bonus? Probably, but then we'd be getting into RAI.

    Quote Originally Posted by liquidformat View Post
    You seem to be ignoring the Daylight powerlessness, daylight is not even a save or suck for you it is just a suck. Reading the Daylight Powerlessness ability I don't believe simply wearing a thick black cloak with an umbrella will have any affect in negating the ability... It isn't simply whether the natural sunlight touches you it is simply being in the presence of natural sunlight renders you utterly powerless only able to flee to some dark hole. You are literally unable to anything outside during the day. An open current is a hard counter to you.
    It just says "in natural sunlight". There's no reason to believe the usual tricks won't work. Even if they don't, you're incorporeal. You can hide underground when you don't need direct line of sight/effect to something, and Endure Sunlight is already going to be a "cost of unliving" level feat tax for anything with a big sunlight-related weakness.

    Quote Originally Posted by liquidformat View Post
    The standard 'morning buff routine' doesn't work with enchanter specifically because it doesn't give full day immunity but only immunity during the specific song. Which really makes build very important as well as how the dm rules the interaction between a performance and a conversation and what actions you happen to be taking. If you as a chanter are a bard/siren/other bard prc you are literally having a new performance each time you use a different bardic music ability or each time you cast a spell if you have melodic casting feat; that makes you quite dangerous for the party. Also I can easily see the argument that each new conversation is a new performance, which also makes you quite dangerous if the group doesn't use something like drow sign language to mitigate the danger you represent. If you are going stealth to scout or whatever you aren't going to be sneaking around pulling an Elan singing about being stealth, there are multiple points in a day where just by the actions you are taking you will be ending and restarting your performance.
    All of this beyond the first sentence is up for interpretation. You can turn it off and on again until the party all make their saves and then keep it going all day, potentially without issue. For conversation, you could weave what you want to say into your song. Maybe the same with verbal components, and maybe even the same with bard songs (though I feel you have a better argument against with those two).

    And even if you can't, creatures that save are protected "unless the chanter ceases singing for one full round"; so this isn't even going to be an issue so long as you remember to keep singing between your spells/performances/conversations.
    Last edited by Debatra; 2021-02-04 at 12:22 PM.
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