Quote Originally Posted by Raishoiken View Post
Ok, im going to use a part of your argument to try to explain it better. Crafting does alter the general rules of how you work with the spell. It does so by having you trigger them as a part of crafting instead of casting them. Notice how the crafting rules dont say that you get to ignore component costs as a part of crafting, you would just also be paying for the fact that the xp component exists as a part of crafting.
If trigger means cast, and there is nothing that says you dont pay components when crafting, that would mean youd be paying them once a day per day you have to craft an item as someone mentioned earlier.

Instead though, the rules for using the spell are altered, since you're using it in a new way. The rules gett altered to where instead of having to castt the spell everyday and deal with components, you magically infuse the triggered spell into the item.

You cannot appeal to the "general spell rules" because when you're crafring a magic item you're using the altered "crafting an item" rules instead.

At this point you have to prove that any book anywhere says that you are casting the spell, which is a clearly defined process that you can use as a reference, and without just saying that you simply "think it means casting but an altered cast"

If you were referring to how magic items themselves trigger spells thatd be a different story because they usually pretty much follow the spellcasting rules for the most part so I'd give ya that one
First, in chase you missed my edit of my last post on the last page: Imho "trigger" is a specific form of casting. (see Spell Trigger Items).

1. The rules alter the cast to being triggered.
2. Component rules get altered into when you begin crafting (only the first day) and the spell gets triggered
3. It's still altered "spell cast rules" and thus Imbue Item bypasses em with an UMD roll. The first day it fakes the spell cast including the demanded components and every day thereafter he just fakes the spell being triggered without any material components needed anymore (as per specific crafting rules).

Just because they are altered doesn't stop em from counting as spells/casts/components.
e.g. Just because Power Attack alters normal attack rules doesn't stop em from counting as attacks.
As such, just because crafting rules alter spell/cast/component rules they don't stop being them. The warlock fakes the entire altered cast (including components when needed).