Imbue Item ignoring prereqs y/n

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Casting a spell is indeed the most common way a spell is used. This does not mean that every other way to use spells is another form of casting a spell.

The Primary Source Rule demands that anything has either to obey the general rules or make specific exceptions for their niche. If you agree that casting a spell is the most common way to use/activate a spell, you agreed that this is the general rule that the Primary Source dictates. As such anything that makes use of spells have to either follow the general cast rules or can makes specific exceptions/changes to them for their niche.

You havent proven that it is, you just keep stating your opinion that trigger and cast mean the same thing, even though multiple people now have shown that it isnt the case

Same thing with sla's, for which your arguement would actually make more sense for: activating an sla is not casting a spell either, even though they work essentially the same way.


The important part you're missing is that the crafting section isnt changing how you are castong a spell. The crafting section is showing how you use a spell in a way that isnt casting it. Thats why ot doesnt use the word cast when describing how you use the spell during crafting.

All you have done is say "crafting items section just changes how certain terms function in when casting spells because casting a spell is the primary way you use a spell", without actually giving any rules text that say that trigger and cast is the same.

The fact that all of the crafting section says the spell slots are expended "as if the spell was cast", as homie said above me, should be literally all the proof you need that the spell isnt being cast. Because if the spell being triggered was the spell being cast, it would say somehing along the lines of "the spell slot is still consumed normally". Instead, it shows the literally only way that trigger and cast are similar, which is that a slot gets burned


Long story short: just because casting a spell is the most common way you use a spell, doesnt mean every other way you use a spell is just a different way to "cast" a spell. Crafting rule doesnt "alter" casting rule, its just a different set of rules for using spells in general




Does anyone else have a more concise way to explain this concept?

1. Spell Trigger

Spell trigger activation is similar to spell completion, but it’s even simpler. No gestures or spell finishing is needed, just a special knowledge of spellcasting that an appropriate character would know, and a single word that must be spoken. Anyone with a spell on his or her spell list knows how to use a spell trigger item that stores that spell. (This is the case even for a character who can’t actually cast spells, such as a 3rd-level paladin.) The user must still determine what spell is stored in the item before she can activate it. Activating a spell trigger item is a standard action and does not provoke attacks of opportunity.

The rule describes how can use/activate spells from spell trigger items. It alters the rules how a spell is normally cast (activated). Changing the general rules for its niche.

2. SLA

A spell-like ability has no verbal, somatic, or material component, nor does it require a focus or have an XP cost. The user activates it mentally. Armor never affects a spell-like ability’s use, even if the ability resembles an arcane spell with a somatic component.

SLA change the way a spell is cast for its niche.

3. Grafting
The crafting feats all make us of the word "trigger". And ,as in the chase of "spell trigger" items, it shows how they alter the way a spell would be normally cast.



All of them are worded in a way that they alter the rules how a spell is regular "cast" (confirming "cast" as general rule).

None of em makes a specific call out "to not count as cast anymore". As such, the may be using just altered cast rules, but they are still "altered cast rules".

Warlocks also accept that casting a spell is the general rule and alters the general rule directly for their niche (specific). Since they can roll UMD to appear "..as if he had cast the required spell.", they also appear to have fulfilled the required (altered) component rules for casting a spell (since those are part of the spell casting rules).