Imbue Item ignoring prereqs y/n

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The Primary Source Rule demands that anything has either to obey the general rules or make specific exceptions for their niche. If you agree that casting a spell is the most common way to use/activate a spell, you agreed that this is the general rule that the Primary Source dictates. As such anything that makes use of spells have to either follow the general cast rules or can makes specific exceptions/changes to them for their niche.

No, the primary source rule just tells you what to refer to if one thing contradicts another. What im saying isnt a contradiction to a rule. Me agreeing that casting a spell is the more common use for spells doesn't mean that the first thing you look at whenever a spell is used in any way is the casting rules. Youre acting like this is the alter self chain, where casting rules are alter self, and crafting rules are polymorph where it " crafting a magic item works like casting except as follows" which is clearly not the case.

Instead, spells are their own thing. There are many ways to use spells. You either cast them, and use the casting rules because youre casting them, use a spell-like ability or supernatural ability that mimics the spell but still doesnt cast the spell which is admittedly the only that comes close to actually fallong in line with your arguement, or you craft a magic item that contains the spell in some way, where you have to have the spell either known or prepared during which no casting is said to occur anywhere. You dont have to infer when a spell os being cast, the rules literally will always tell you when it is, or if something else entirely is happening




1. Spell Trigger

The rule describes how can use/activate spells from spell trigger items. It alters the rules how a spell is normally cast (activated). Changing the general rules for its niche.
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Yes, the rules describe how you activate magic items that then produce a spell.
Activating magic item does not mean spell being cast. Only spellcasters cast spells

2. SLA

SLA change the way a spell is cast for its niche.

This is the only thing your very close to right about.
The spell like abilities mimic spells and alter the requirements for producing the effects, but they still dont cast a spell because casting a spell is defined as a specific thing

3. Grafting
The crafting feats all make us of the word "trigger". And ,as in the chase of "spell trigger" items, it shows how they alter the way a spell would be normally cast.

All of them are worded in a way that they alter the rules how a spell is regular "cast" (confirming "cast" as general rule).

They do say trigger. If they meant cast, it would say cast instead. It would actually probably say you cast it, except with these changes. The way they are worded, they say absolutely nothing about how the spell is cast because they dont cast spells. Different items are activated through different methods to produce different effects, some of those effecrs being spells

None of em makes a specific call out "to not count as cast anymore". As such, the may be using just altered cast rules, but they are still "altered cast rules".

They dont have to because its obvious and explicitly spelled out in plain words that you are not casting a spell, you are instead triggering it during the crafting process. The rules dont have to say you arent doing something, the rules have to tell you what you are doing. And can you point to me what the rules say? Trigger. Trigger does not mean cast, nor is it just "altered cast" because nothing says it is

Warlocks also accept that casting a spell is the general rule and alters the general rule directly for their niche (specific). Since they can roll UMD to appear "..as if he had cast the required spell.", they also appear to have fulfilled the required (altered) component rules for casting a spell (since those are part of the spell casting rules).

Warlock is literally the only thing ever to say that casting would occur. And guess what? Due to the primary source for crafting saying that you trigger spells and dont cast them, it shows a contradiction and therefor does not matter, which soneone else alreadu pointed out to you but you seemed to have ignored



Is there any better way to put this?