OOTS #1232 - The Discussion Thread

[Telenil]

Just a thought, for anyone who might both 1) equate "the right of goblins to exist" with "whether Redcloak does evil things" and 2) be offended by the notion that equality and justice apply to goblins... Minrah's burn on Redcloak is worth considering.
"You're just a… a big phony, talking about stuff like equality and and justice to make yourself feel better about shoving them off a cliff!

If Minrah's right, it's grossly unfair to judge all goblins by Redcloak's behavior. To him, they're just the means to an end of satisfying his martyr complex no matter who gets hurt.
And even if Minrah's wrong and he's truly doing his best to make goblins' lives better, the baby of "fairness" towards goblins still shouldn't be thrown out with the bathwater of "Redcloak screws over everyone, goblins and PC races alike".

Correct. The thing is, the goblins the heroes have fought so far were virtually all Redcloak's soldiers and minions. These aren't innocents in the sense goblins defending their village would be, so it feels really weird to have the PCs discuss how they should have listened to their enemies more. It would have made sense if the PCs had been shown raiding goblin settlements to disrupt Redcloak's preparations, or similar neutral-leaning actions. As it is, I don't think they have met a goblin who didn't mostly share Redcloak's goals, even the teenagers in book 1 turned against them in the end.