Helios studied Zephyr once again, doubling down and stonewalling. The man was entirely detestable, at least from the brief glimpse of the man that they'd gotten. We're not here for him, he reminded himself. And the truth was, if Abel really was Nathan transformed by Manchineel, he could sort of sympathize with the stress of seeing someone close becoming a menace...

"Have you ever encountered one of Manchineel's Punishments? A person that Manchineel has transformed?" He aimed for confident and sincere, rising from his seat to slowly approach the man. He didn't want to add to the shouting.

"We have, plenty of times. Everyone calls them monsters, and they can be plenty dangerous. But something we've learned is that Manchineel's transformations are not complete. She can't bend them to her will completely."

"The person that Manchineel transformed is still in there. We know this because we've been able to reach them through something they cared about. That's what we'd like to do with Abel. We don't want to have to destroy him if there's any way to avoid it. We want to save him. We can't do that if you won't tell us anything."

"If you don't want to help us, that's one thing. But please. Help your brother. Tell us what you know."

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