Originally Posted by Adumbration The sad thing is that it still gets defeated by shivering touch... 25 dex and touch AC somewhere in the minus 4 million. Any wizards up for some extra XP? EDIT: Of course, I mean the great A'tuin. Is the range on Shivering Touch greater than 6,666 miles? 'Cuz otherwise old Turtley would snap you before you even got close!