Quote Originally Posted by Bayar View Post
You can always rip-off the warcraft orcs...
I sort of agree. I try not to take much of anything from the Warcraft world, but their orcs are just so much better than the insubstantial "me thug go smash now" idiotic brutes we have in D&D. As they stand in most of the games I've played, they're either Always Chaotic Evil or Always Chaotic Stupid which is just unsatisfying from a verisimilitudinous standpoint. I want a smart (or barring that, wise) orc who can do something for the orc world beside leading them on some stupid conquest that will fall apart a week after they die of old age at 35.

Furthermore, D&D orcs are just weaksawse. After level 7 or so, a whole horde of them just don't matter any more. At least Warcraft orcs feel like they could pose a legitimate threat. Shamans, rage warriors, alliances with the vodoun-inclined trolls-it's colorful and powerful stuff. In D&D, their big tactic, their big advantage is numbers, which doesn't really work.