Thoughts on the Paladin: Pallys need love, too !

[Gnaeus]

I'm given to understand that those do not have more than two levels in the actual monk class.

C'mon. To hit tier 4, you only really have to have one good trick. With good gear, feat choices, dips and proper op fu you can make a monk into a passable grappler or trip controller, maybe even DPR. Not as good as a fighter, and almost anything they can do a SS can do much better, but you can still hit tier 4 with more than 2 monk levels. It just takes more cheese to stand on.