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    Hey again!

    This time I'm planning to make a Shadow Sun ninja that will eventually become a vampire that's immune to sunlight via the Balance of light and dark ability. I'm aware that the ability says that the character becomes a NPC if he becomes a vampire this way, to avoid abusing the sunlight immunity, but the DM agreed to let me play him since our true necromancer could kill me and make an even stronger vampire thanks to his combination of feats and class features.

    That being said, I need your advice, fellow playgrounders. I'll probably go with monk 4/ swordsage 1 levels before entering the class, but I need help with feat selection and advice on what to level after.

    Thank you in advance

    EDIT: Also, if there is some specifically good race for this, please point it out.
    Last edited by PrGo; 2009-05-12 at 10:43 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PrGo View Post
    Hey again!

    This time I'm planning to make a Shadow Sun ninja that will eventually become a vampire that's immune to sunlight via the Balance of light and dark ability. I'm aware that the ability says that the character becomes a NPC if he becomes a vampire this way, to avoid abusing the sunlight immunity, but the DM agreed to let me play him since our true necromancer could kill me and make an even stronger vampire thanks to his combination of feats and class features.

    That being said, I need your advice, fellow playgrounders. I'll probably go with monk 4/ swordsage 1 levels before entering the class, but I need help with feat selection and advice on what to level after.

    Thank you in advance

    Dont take the monk levels. Either go swordsage 5 and just take IUS as a feat, or so swordsage 4/Fighter 1 and take the feat.

    I would go Swordsage 4/Fighter 1/SSN10/Vampire LA 8. You need at least 3 levels of LA buyoff (and a vampire savage progression class) to do this in nonepic.

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    2 levels of Monk is a good investment (3 bonus feats and flurry is a pretty good deal). Past that, I'd agree with QC.
    I'd probably mix that with 2 levels Feat Rogue, Psychic Warrior or Fighter: Fluff stays the same, but you get 2 extra feats to play with at low cost.

    Depending on your charisma, maybe 1 level of one of those classes and one level Cleric.
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    Look at the adaptaion section for the SS. The Unarmed version should give you everything you need without needing to waste levels on Monk. Flurry doesn't help you(most strikes are Standard actions) and the Monk bonus feats are less than useful. Not saying Swordsage 1/Monk 2/Swordsage 2 is bad, just that Swordsage 5 is better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sstoopidtallkid View Post
    ...Monk bonus feats are less than useful.
    With the high ability requirements of a SS Ninja, the feat-starvation I feel with every Swordsage and the frequency of Trip checks with a Setting Sun-user, I would use UA's Passive Way feats every time.

    (Stunning Fist/Combat Reflexes aren't bad either if you're expected to do any sort of BC.)

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    Ditto on the unarmed swordsage - its what the monk should have been
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    Default Re: Help me build a Shadow Sun ninja

    Quote Originally Posted by PrGo View Post
    Hey again!
    That being said, I need your advice, fellow playgrounders. I'll probably go with monk 4/ swordsage 1 levels before entering the class, but I need help with feat selection and advice on what to level after.

    Thank you in advance

    EDIT: Also, if there is some specifically good race for this, please point it out.
    Person_Man has some interesting ideas for Shadow Sun Ninja that you might want to look at:

    http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68540

    If you want to do the Adept of Darkness thing, then Swordsage 4/Warlock 1/SSN 10 should work fine.

    For race, I'd say absolutely positively must be a Whisper Gnome.

    For feats, I'd suggest:

    1) Blend Into Shadows
    3) Blindfight
    6) Mage Slayer
    9) Pierce Magical Concealment
    12) Adaptive Style
    15) Superior Unarmed Strike
    18) Impenetrable Aura of Eurotrash/Emo Smugness

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darrin View Post
    1) Blend Into Shadows
    3) Blindfight
    6) Mage Slayer
    9) Pierce Magical Concealment
    12) Adaptive Style
    15) Superior Unarmed Strike
    18) Impenetrable Aura of Eurotrash/Emo Smugness
    Can you tell me what books are these feats from? Thanks

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    1) Blend Into Shadows
    3) Blindfight-Core
    6) Mage Slayer-CArc
    9) Pierce Magical Concealment-CArc
    12) Adaptive Style-ToB
    15) Superior Unarmed Strike-ToB
    18) Impenetrable Aura of Eurotrash/Emo Smugness
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