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2009-06-23, 10:41 AM (ISO 8601)
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(3.5, Spell) What's Your's is Mine (PEACH)
Control Magic I
Transmutation
Level: Brd 4, Cleric 4, Magic 4, Sor/Wiz 4
Components: V, S, M, F, DF
Casting Time: 1 standard action
Range: Medium (100 ft. + 10 ft./level)
Target: One spellcaster, creature, or object
Duration: Instantaneous
Saving Throw: None
Spell Resistance: No
As per Dispel Magic except that you gain control of the spell(s), instead of simply dispersing or preventing them, and the Area Dispel function may not be used. If used as a counterspell, you must successfully identify the specific spell being cast in order to use this spell. You may then do anything with that spell you could do if you were the caster (including targeting a spell that you successfully controlled as it was being cast, or dismissing it). The DC of the opposed check increases as follows:
- Arcane casting used to try to control a Divine spell or vice-versa +1?
- Spell not on your list of spells known +1
- Spell has an alignment descriptor directly opposing your own alignment +2/each
- Spell has an alignment descriptor that you do not share +1/each (Does NOT stack with the above)
If the spell has a certain range within which it can be controlled or targeted, use the range of Control Magic as calculated from your position (not the position of the original caster).
Control Magic II
Transmutation
Level: Cleric 5, Magic 5, Sor/Wiz 5
This spell functions like control magic I, except that the maximum caster level on your control check is +13 instead of +10.
Control Magic Bardic
Transmutation
Level: Brd 5
This spell functions like control magic I, except that the maximum caster level on your control check is +15 instead of +10.
Control Magic III
Transmutation
Level: Cleric 6, Magic 6, Sor/Wiz 6
This spell functions like control magic I, except that the maximum caster level on your control check is +16 instead of +10.
Control Magic IV
Transmutation
Level: Brd 6, Cleric 7, Magic 7, Sor/Wiz 7
This spell functions like control magic, except that the maximum caster level on your control check is +20 instead of +10.
Additionally, greater control magic has a chance to control any effect that remove curse can remove, even if dispel magic can’t dispel that effect.
Are the spell levels good?
Is this too good of a substitute for specialist wizards who ban abjuration? (Much like someone who bans Evocation might pick up Shadow Evocation.)
Am I right not to give this to Druids? It just doesn't feel very Druid-y for some reason...
Should clerics even get this appart from as a Domain spell?
What non-core classes should get this and at what level?
What about a 10th or 11th level version of this that is to Control Magic what Mage's Disjunction is to Dispel Magic?
I got a suggestion that divine casters shouldn't be able to control spells that are opposed to their alignment on one or both axes. What say you?
Notes for POSSIBLE future changes:
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[20:06] ailurus: I would suggest the following changes - in the event of a tie, the target spell just fizzles (as per dispel magic) rather than being controlled. but, also, maybe tack on a default +1 modifier on the target spell's caster levelLast edited by DracoDei; 2012-06-05 at 11:53 AM.
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2011-01-02, 09:58 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: (3.5, Spell) What's Yours is Mine (PEACH)
Did you know that (only in the homebrew forums?) it is permissible to bump a thread one started no matter how old it is?
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2011-01-02, 10:59 AM (ISO 8601)
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2011-01-02, 11:14 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: (3.5, Spell) What's Yours is Mine (PEACH)
Is this too good of a substitute for specialist wizards who ban abjuration
Am I right not to give this to Druids? It just doesn't feel very Druid-y for some reason..
Should clerics even get this appart from as a Domain spell?
I'm a little concerned about the large number of different spells with slightly different maximums. That allows a lot more careful optimization (in contrast dispel magic has only two versions). I'm not sure how much of an actual problem this is.
What about a 10th or 11th level version of this that is to Control Magic what Mage's Disjunction is to Dispel Magic?
I would suggest the following changes - in the event of a tie, the target spell just fizzles (as per dispel magic) rather than being controlled. but, also, maybe tack on a default +1 modifier on the target spell's caster levelMy homebrew:
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Completed:
ToB disciplines:
The Narrow Bridge
The Broken Blade
Prestige classess:
Disciple of Karsus -PrC for Karsites.
The Seekers of Lost Swords and the Preserver of Future Blades Two interelated Tome of Battle Prcs,
Master of the Hidden Seal - Binder/Divine hybrid
Knight of the Grave- Necromancy using Gish
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2011-01-02, 11:40 AM (ISO 8601)
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2011-01-03, 12:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: (3.5, Spell) What's Yours is Mine (PEACH)
Ok, no druids then.
I think I have seen spells added to a domain... might have been in a book, might have been around here. Your idea is very much worth considering.
In Draconomicon Sorcerers get +1 CL for certain of the spells.
As you may have already figured out that is because they have to start out a level higher than Dispel Magic (OK, so you can't do Area Dispels, it is still better). If one keeps the bonus cap, one runs out of cap before you can get to the second of a two-version model, thus the multiple versions (including a special one for bards). I suppose I could up the cap on the first version and go to a two-version model (or three with the middle one still being bard only).
No, no they do not. This, however, is the homebrew forums. We break conventions (somewhere between very occasionally, and every fourth post).
(Nods)
Yeah... "Optional rule" maybe? AKA passing the buck...
No such limitation regarding "content added"/intent seems to be specified.
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FWIW, this is only the second time I have done this sort of bump, and, for me, it is only for stuff that originally received NO response. The only time I REMEMBER anyone else using it was Vorpal Tribble bringing back a seasonal thread or two (Christmas last year maybe?).Last edited by DracoDei; 2020-04-29 at 03:21 AM.
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