A single attack that deals 20d6

[Hawk7915]

A friend of mine has a dream. A dorky dream, but a dream nonetheless. He wants a character that can deal 20d6 damage in a single attack roll. The limitations:

Not a Caster - there are lots of spells that let you roll 20d6+ dice (Disintegrate, Polar Ray).

Not ToB: I'm not as familiar with ToB but I know there are some high dice maneuvers in there. This guy hates ToB though, so even if there is a maneuver that does 20d6, it's right out.

Level 20: If it's not possible until level 20, that's cool, but no epic level stuff.

Gestalt is fine, but not preferred.

So I have two ideas:

1. Gestalt Rogue 11/Assassin 9 // Warlock 19/Scout 1
- Assuming this all stacks out, the 'lock wins initiative or goes invisible, moves 10', and fires off a 9d6 Eldritch Blast that gets +1d6 skirmish damage and +10d6 sneak attack damage against the enemies flatfooted touch AC. Add various invocations and maybe Craven, and this is a deadly attack.

2. A Scout 19 with Improved Skirmish using a Greatsword that is enchanted to be a +1 Shocking Flaming Icy Acidic Sonic Vicious Holy Demonbane Sword against a Balor .
- Move 20' and you get 7d6 Skirmish dice for your 2d6 sword. All those properties grant 1d6 fire, 1d6 ice, 1d6 electric, 1d6 acid, and 1d6 sonic damage, 2d6 holy damage, and 4d6 untyped damage (you also take 1d6). Only against evil demons, and your attack bonus sucks, and you probably are better off trying to make full attacks via Dervish or Lion Barbarian or whatever...but 20d6 in one swing, baby!

So, what are your guy's builds? What's the lowest level this is possible? Can you get more dice of damage?

[Zergrusheddie]

Rogue19//Sneak Attack Fighter 18/Something else 1 using a shortsword would work. Sneak Attack (Rogue) 10d6 + Sneak Attack (Fighter) 9d6 + Shortsword 1d6 = 20d6.

[Dogmantra]

I don't have a full build, but lots of Rogue PrCs have +1d6 sneak attack at first level. Take a lot of first levels, and you can build up around +15d6 as opposed to only 10d6.

[Woodsman]

Not ToB: I'm not as familiar with ToB but I know there are some high dice maneuvers in there. This guy hates ToB though, so even if there is a maneuver that does 20d6, it's right out.

How can you hate ToB? The classes in there aren't as nearly as powerful as full casters.

[AstralFire]

+1 flaming, shocking, frost, holy, anarchic, vicious, merciful weapon.

Rogue 20.

Terrible. But it works.

How can you hate ToB? The classes in there aren't as nearly as powerful as full casters.

Some people have this idea that the swordsage's two mystical disciplines = the entire book is 'anime'. I'd rather not have this full argument again, so let me do a sneak preview:

RAAAAAAAAAR WEEABOO FIGHTAN MAGIXS

RAAAAAAAAAAR THERE IS ZERO MAGIC HERE, BAKA-SAN

YAR YOU BE PULLIN' ME PEGLEG, NINJA LOVER

YOU ARE VERY GAIJIN, HADOKEN AND DIE

«~Keep it civil in here or this thread gets locked~» - Astral is not the Sheriff in the Playground

[Random832]

Gestalt Rogue 19//CAdv Ninja 19 - Sneak Attack +10d6 stacks with Sudden Strike +10d6.

Also, put a ridiculous amount of damage abilities on a weapon. (Flaming Frost Shock Holy Orcbane Shortsword = 8d6 against evil orcs. If money is no object, you can be True Neutral and have a golf bag full of these)

[Adumbration]

Warlock 17/Hellfire Warlock 3. That's 14d6 right off the bat as a ranged touch attack. +4d6 from Warlock's Scepter, making it 18d6.

Hmm. Does anyone have ideas on adding +2d6 to that?

[Woodsman]

Some people have this idea that the swordsage's two mystical disciplines = the entire book is 'anime'. I'd rather not have this full argument again, so let me do a sneak preview:

This doesn't make much sense to me, but I can see how it would to other people.

I'll leave it at that.

[Hawk7915]

This doesn't make much sense to me, but I can see how it would to other people.

I'll leave it at that.

I know it's dumb, but this guy is usually our DM and is convinced that ToB is OP. I don't want to get into an argument, but suffice to say that when a 2WF Swashbuckler using Two-weapon Pounce is one on the most powerful characters our play group has ever seen, ToB probably is more powerful than we need.

Gestalt Rogue 19//CAdv Ninja 19 - Sneak Attack +10d6 stacks with Sudden Strike +10d6.

Doesn't that technically only add up to 18d6? Of course, Assassin 1 on the Rogue side + a shortsword or Rapier for weapon = 20d6, but just being accurate .

My scout build, I believe, can get higher. Take Monkey grip for a Large Greatsword and it's up to 21d6! That's right: Monkey. Grip.

Any way to get this up that high without Precision damage? I'm thinking something large monkey-gripping a huge weapon...

[Zergrusheddie]

Orc Fighter

Feats:
Mounted Combat
Ride-by Attack
Spirited Charge
Headlong Rush


Equipment:
Strongarm Bracers (8k)
A Shocking Fiery Large Lance
A Huge Horse

Spells:
Enlarge Person

Your weapon does 3d6. With Spirited Charge and Headlong Rush, that's 12d6. Add in Shocking and that 16d6. Fiery makes it 20d6.

You need to charge, have about 16,700 gold, be an Orc, and be at least level 4.

[HamHam]

Warlock 17/Hellfire Warlock 3. That's 14d6 right off the bat as a ranged touch attack. +4d6 from Warlock's Scepter, making it 18d6.

Hmm. Does anyone have ideas on adding +2d6 to that?

Bloodline levels.

[Hawk7915]

Orc Fighter

Feats:
Mounted Combat
Ride-by Attack
Spirited Charge
Headlong Rush


Equipment:
Strongarm Bracers (8k)
A Shocking Fiery Large Lance
A Huge Horse

Spells:
Enlarge Person

Your weapon does 3d6. With Spirited Charge and Headlong Rush, that's 12d6. Add in Shocking and that 16d6. Fiery makes it 20d6.

You need to charge, have about 16,700 gold, be an Orc, and be at least level 4.

I'm not familiar enough with this to know if it checks out, but I think we have a winner! You can easily do this before ECL 10 with WBL I think, and it doesn't use precision damage, and it doesn't have a ridiculously long-named weapon so you could actually get some enhancement to it later on.

[ericgrau]

You can get +8d6 from a magic weapon plus another +10d6 (vampiric touch) if it's spell storing, then +11d6 sneak attack on top of that. Greatsword for 2d6. 31d6 total. Easy. Not sure what's the earliest level for 20d6.

[Fuzzy_Juan]

hmm...rogue 1, monk 1, rogue 9, ascetic rogue, superior unarmed strike, monks belt... for 2d10 base hand damage. and level 10 rogue sneak attack of 5d6.

add improved unarmed strike for the upgrade to 4d8.

add greater mighty wollop (or combination of that and enlarge/polymorph) to go from med-large, large-huge, huge-gargantuan, gargantuan-collosal...so 4 size increases...4d8 goes to 6d8 (med to large), 6d8 goes to 8d8 (large to huge), 8d8 goes to 12d8 (huge to gargantuan), and 12d8 caps then at 16d8 (gargantuan to collosal).

after that, grab an amulet of mighty fists and enchant it or some gauntlets with flaming, frost, lawful...all that jazz...if you get some exhalted stuff, you can also get sacred strike to bump those sneak attacks to d8's vs. evil.

Not the 20d6 that he envisioned...however, I hope he can lice with the upgrade to d8s. 16d8 with a sneak boost of 5d6 plus extra d6 for enchantments can stack up in bad bad ways for those on the recieving end.

[Alleine]

I remember Sinfire Titan mentioning in a Warlock thread about getting retarded high damage through PrC abuse. It went something like Warlock -> Hellfire Warlock + bloodline + Legacy Champion + Uncanny Trickster, and maybe another PrC.

Bloodlines, Legacy Champion, and Uncanny Trickster all increase previous class features, so you continued Eldritch blast progression and Hellfire blast progression. A major bloodline adds another 6d6 to hellfire, Legacy champion and uncanny trickster advance advance whichever of the two you took first for some double advancement in everything else. I don't recall exactly what the damage output was, but it was many, many d6.

[Siosilvar]

Since your player doesn't want ToB, replace Warblade with any full BAB class (besides Fighter).

Rouge 12/Psychic Rogue 1/Spellthief 1/Assassin 1/Invisible Blade 1/Ronin 1 // Ranger 2/Lion Totem Barbarian 1/SA Fighter 9/Warblade 3/Ninja 1/Nightsong Enforcer 1

Gets Full BAB, Pounce, TWF, 15d6 Sneak Attack and 1d6 Sudden Strike at 15th level. Use a pair of +1 Deadly Precision Assassination Kukris (total enhancement +4) for +1d4+1, +3d6 Sneak Attack, making 19d6+1d4+1 damage, which is the same average as 20d6.

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Levels which get a SA bonus are in red.

1: Rogue//Ranger - 1d6, WF (Kukri)
2:Psychic Rogue//Ranger - 2d6, TWF
3:Spellthief//Lion Totem - 3d6, Pounce, Imp. Init
4:Rogue//SA Fighter - 4d6, Evasion
5:Rogue//Warblade - 5d6
6:Assassin//Warblade - 6d6, EWP (Bastard Sword)
7:Invisible Blade//Ninja - 6d6 (1d6 Sudden Strike, 1d6 w/ dagger, kukri)
8:Nightsong Enforcer//Rogue - 7d6
9:Ronin//Warblade - 8d6, Martial Stance (Assassin's Stance, +2d6 SA not included)
10:Rogue//SA Fighter - 9d6
11:Rogue//SA Fighter - 10d6
12:Rogue//SA Fighter - 11d6
...

[Pharaoh's Fist]

Monk with the Sizing Enchantment on his person. Boost jump, increase size, jump above an enemy, land on him, and deal 20d6 falling damage.

[woodenbandman]

Just play a king of smack. I won't look it up for you, but suffice it to say that 32d8 damage per hit should be enough for you.

[Adumbration]

Monk with the Sizing Enchantment on his person. Boost jump, increase size, jump above an enemy, land on him, and deal 20d6 falling damage.

Actually, I think you can do it at 1st level. I can't recall the specifics, but it involved a morbidly obese human that jumped on people. It may have even used Up the Walls feat or something like that.

[AmberVael]

Here you go:

Rogue 11/Monk 1/Scout 1

+1 flaming shocking gauntlet with an acid energy crystal

2d6 unarmed strike base damage
+6d6 sneak attack
+3d6 skirmish
+2d6 skirmish (improved Skirmish feat)
+1d6 frost damage
+1d6 shocking damage
+1d6 acid damage
+4d6 (greater psionic weapon feat).
Total: 20d6.

You'll want the Swift Ambusher feat, and the Ascetic Rogue feat, which will allow your Rogue levels to count for unarmed strike damage AND skirmish bonuses/damage. Be an Elan or something so you can get psionic feats.
I also recommend some reliable method of catching people flat-footed.

It isn't the best method, and I'm sure a bit of tinkering could improve on it, but it doesn't rely on using a horse (which, IMO, is kind of chancy).

I do think using Warlock has potential, but this is what I thought of just off the top of my head.

[AstralFire]

I did that with a Half-Giant monk level 11, I think. Greek game.

Epimetheus, but my DM just started calling Super Mario.

[Zergrusheddie]

I'm not familiar enough with this to know if it checks out, but I think we have a winner! You can easily do this before ECL 10 with WBL I think, and it doesn't use precision damage, and it doesn't have a ridiculously long-named weapon so you could actually get some enhancement to it later on.

You can drop the Storgarm Bracers and instead take:
Feats:
1. Mounted Combat
1F. Ride-by Attack
2F. Spirited Charge
3. Monkey Grip
4F. Headlong Rush

That gets an a -2 to attack but saves you 8 grand.

[kemmotar]

not that difficult at level 20...

scout 1/rogue 19

feats: swift ambusher, improved skirmish for 17d6 (assuming you can sneak attack and move 20 feet.)

add 3 elemental damage effects for the last 3d6 and you have a simple +20d6 to each attack...

If you wanna go gestalt, add warlock full with scepter for another 14d6, infinite ammo and around the clock flight, invisibility and general fun...

[Rixx]

Submerge them in molten lava for one round.

[AppleChips]

For more utility, carry around a ring gate that leads to a lava pit, and pull it down over their head.

[Pharaoh's Fist]

"Want to see a magic trick?"

[negativity 101]

Race: Ogre (Large size, enlarged to huge with a
LA. 2, Racial HD 4
str: 18 (originally)
+10 str. (racial)
+ 6 str. (Belt of giant strength, Enchantment bonus)
+5 (Manual of bodily health +5, inherent bonus)
+4 (rage, Barbarian, unnamed)
+2 (Permanency: Enlarge person, Size bonus)

str: 45 - +17

Barbarian/Fighter/Hulking Hurler 1/4/2
ECL 13
BA 10

+1 sizing, returning, frost, shock Rock:
To hit: +29 (+ 10 BA, + 17 str., +1 Weapon focus, +1 weapon)
Dmg: 175d6 + 26 (173d6 bludg, 1d6 cold, 1d6 electricity, +25 (str. bonus), +1 weapon)


Feats: 8 (2 racial, 3 lvls., 3 fighter)
Point Blank Shot (Required for Hulking Hurler)
Power Attack (Required for Hulking Hurler)
Weapon Focus (Rock) (Required for Hulking Hurler)
Instantaneous Rage
Extend Rage
Brutal Throw

Special Abilities:
Rage
Catch weapon
Really throw anything
Two-Handed hurl trick (Overburdended Heave)

Carrying capacity:
Light load: 17024 lb (266 x 16 (High Str.) x 4 (Huge Size))
Medium load: 34112 lb (533 lb x 16 (high str.) x 4 (Huge size))

Rock Weighing 34112 lb
The first 400 lb makes it do 5d6 dmg.
For every additional 200 lb, the Rock does an extra 1d6 dmg. (As defined by Complete Warrior p. 159
34112 lb - 400 = 33712/200 = 168d6 (168,56 rounded down) + 5d6 = 173d6
We now make it an +1 frost, shock, sizing. So it now does an even 175d6
(173d6 bludg dmg, 1d6 cold, 1d6 electricity, can be the size of a marble at the start of combat and returns to sender at the start of the next round.

[JaxGaret]

All you need is enough gold to form a Peasant Railgun.

[negativity 101]

Oh, and for tactics... Just throw at the thing that annoys you the most

[kemmotar]

now that we're being cheesy...just use the eschew materials anti matter bomb or the locate city bomb