StP Erudite and Arcane Spellsurge

[quick_comment]

Can the erudite utilize arcane spellsurge with his powers and/or the spells he has converted to powers?

[Wings of Peace]

By RaW I would say only if the wording is such that it does not rely on the "spell" being a spell. Spell to Power is still just that. A spell turned into a psionic power. It makes all the sense in the world to make the conversion obviously but at the end of the day if Arcane Spellsurge only works with spells your powers are not actually spells.

[Myrmex]

Psionics & Magic aren't that transparent, are they?

Could you use Psionic Endowment to boost the save DCs of your spells? Could you use quicken spell on a power?

[Sinfire Titan]

but at the end of the day if Arcane Spellsurge only works with spells your powers are not actually spells.

This is only the case if the DM is enforcing Psionics are Different. By default,

Psionics-Magic Transparency

Though not explicitly called out in the spell descriptions or magic item descriptions, spells, spell-like abilities, and magic items that could potentially affect psionics do affect psionics.

Hence why Arcane fusion and Arcane Spellsurge are so powerful on a Spell to Power Erudite.

Edit:

Psionics & Magic aren't that transparent, are they?

Could you use Psionic Endowment to boost the save DCs of your spells? Could you use quicken spell on a power?

As the above quote says, transparency only applies to magic items, spells, powers, and SLAs. Feats, class features, and other abilities are excluded. Hence why Metamagic can't be applied to powers without using Dragon Magazine.

[quick_comment]

Hence why Metamagic can't be applied to powers without using Dragon Magazine.

Oooh. Explain please?

[Myrmex]

Oooh. Explain please?

The Metamind:
http://karuikage.net/dnd/prestiges/mindmage.html

Also came with psi-spell feats:
http://realmshelps.dandello.net/datafind/feats.shtml (you'll have to do your own search to find 'em, sorry cant link results)

There's also a metapsionic feat from Dragon 349 called Cerebremetamagic. Lets you spend pp to pay for spell slots on your metamagic.

[Sinfire Titan]

Oooh. Explain please?

There's either a PrC or a feat in one of the Dragon Mags that allows you to apply Metapsionics to spells as though they were powers. That's it though. It was before WotC bought Dragon.

[quick_comment]

There's either a PrC or a feat in one of the Dragon Mags that allows you to apply Metapsionics to spells as though they were powers. That's it though. It was before WotC bought Dragon.

Oh, thats crap. I was hoping there was some way to apply metamagic to powers, since metamagic is strictly better than metapowers. (Expending psionic focus? Bleh)

[Sinfire Titan]

Oh, thats crap. I was hoping there was some way to apply metamagic to powers, since metamagic is strictly better than metapowers. (Expending psionic focus? Bleh)

That's the closest it gets. If you adapt the Ultimate Magus to be Psionic/Arcane, then you could very well allow that ability. But the Dragon method only goes Metapsi>Spells.

[Douglas]

Oh, thats crap. I was hoping there was some way to apply metamagic to powers, since metamagic is strictly better than metapowers. (Expending psionic focus? Bleh)

They do at least count psionic focus as the equivalent of 2 power points of the meta's cost. For every pair of metamagic and metapsionic feats with equal effects in existence, you will find that the cost is also equal if you count expending psionic focus as equal to one spell slot level and each 2 power points as equal to another spell slot level. For example, Quicken Spell costs +4 spell slot levels while Quicken Power costs +6 power points and psionic focus. 1 (psionic focus) + 3 (6PP / 2 conversion factor) = 4.

So, as long as you're not trying to stack multiple meta's on one spell/power and can recover psionic focus as fast as you spend it (Psionic Meditation + only one metapsionic power per round) you're actually getting a discount with metapsionics compared to metamagic.

[Myrmex]

The feat/prc I linked are pretty solid. It allows for better metamagic abuse than ultimate magus, anyway.

[Sinfire Titan]

The feat/prc I linked are pretty solid. It allows for better metamagic abuse than ultimate magus, anyway.

That's not a good thing, you know...

[Myrmex]

That's not a good thing, you know...

Neither is StP Erudite and Arcane Spellsurge

[Yuki Akuma]

That's not a good thing, you know...

Depends on your definition of 'good'.

Balanced? Probably not. Fun? Maybe yes, depending on your group.