Catgirl Genocide

[Heliomance]

This is a thread specifically to ask questions of the D&D world using real-life science. Some things may break in amusing ways. To start:

The elemental plane of water has subjective gravity. For the purposes of any inanimate object, this is effectively zero gravity. Water is an inanimate object. Thus, water pressure will be (approximately) constant throughout the plane. As pressure is not a planar hazard, and it is possible to survive there quite nicely asuming you can breathe water, we can assume that the water pressure there is far lower than it is at the seabed. Thus, a gate to the elemental plane of water at the ocean floor would actually result in water following the pressure gradient and flowing from the ocean into the plane, lowering the sea level rather than raising it.

If someone who knows more hydrostatics than I do would like to run the calculations and come up with an approximate figure for the pressure on the plane of water, it would be quite interesting.

[Yora]

I agree with the draining the lake interpretation.
For simplicitys sake, I'd say plane of water is 1 bar.

BUT! The plane of Air is also plane of non-solid matter. And there is wind. And wind is created by pressure differences between two locations. So the plane of air is not completely homogenous.
As a result, the plane of water also does not have to be, and I think currents are actually a good idea to sustain an eco-system. And if there are areas with warmer water for tropical fish, and colder water for arctic fish, there would be differences in preasure. And if you have it, it could be quite substential.
So my final answer to that is, that it depends on the precise location of the plane of water side of the gate.

[Kris Strife]

Is it bad that all I thought when I saw the title was: Again?

Also, what anime is that clip from?

[Myou]

I agree with the draining the lake interpretation.

That's why we're doing this! To rid the internet of annoying hentai characters! D:<

[Yora]

I have no idea. I just remembered it and googled "God kills a catgirl".

I don't think I've ever watched an anime that had catgirls. ^^

[shadzar]

Is it bad that all I thought when I saw the title was: Again?

Also, what anime is that clip from?

These are the part of the Catgirl Maid Squadron, under Ms Sanada, Head of the maids for the Valhallan Royal Family.

The grils used to be Aiko, Keiko, Yuuko and Eiko, before Sanada used her transformation ray on them and many others to turn them into catgirls.

These were the 4 that Kazuto ran into when Sanada thought he was two-timing Valkyrie, and the first ones turned into catgirls, to control them to prevent Kazuto form going out with them when he is engaged to the princess Valkyrie.


UFO Ultramaiden Valkyrie

[Kris Strife]

These are the part of the Catgirl Maid Squadron, under Ms Sanada, Head of the maids for the Valhallan Royal Family.

The grils used to be Aiko, Keiko, Yuuko and Eiko, before Sanada used her transformation ray on them and many others to turn them into catgirls.

These were the 4 that Kazuto ran into when Sanada thought he was two-timing Valkyrie, and the first ones turned into catgirls, to control them to prevent Kazuto form going out with them when he is engaged to the princess Valkyrie.


UFO Ultramaiden Valkyrie

This is surprisingly awesome. Is the series any good?

[Guancyto]

Shadzar, I can't believe you know that.

Just tell me you weren't a fan of the series.

Yora: go watch Outlaw Star for non-annoying catgirls. Or Dominion Tank Police.

[Grumman]

As water is nearly incompressible, the change in water level would probably be quite slow. Even if you opened the gate at a depth of ~4-5 kilometers, the pressure would only be enough to fit another ~2% into a given volume. The main limiting factor would probably be the rate at which the "bubble" of 102% compressed water on the Plane of Water side could dissipate, which in turn is limited by the speed of sound.

Someone who has actually studied fluid dynamics should be able to expand on this.

[Bayar]

That's why we're doing this! To rid the internet of annoying hentai characters! D:<

Catgirls are not all hentai characters.

Edited: sorry...kinda sensitive about those kinds of things

[Guancyto]

I'm 99.999324% certain that was a joke...

[Tatsel_Ganav]

lolcatsgirlz!

Can she has a mouse?

[Myou]

How about going on another place before being racist. Catgirls are not all hentai characters.

....

What?

[Yora]

Shadzar, I can't believe you know that.

Just tell me you weren't a fan of the series.

Yora: go watch Outlaw Star for non-annoying catgirls. Or Dominion Tank Police.

Isn't Tank Police the wacky old work of Shiro?

[Sipex]

Catgirls are not all hentai characters.

Edited: sorry...kinda sensitive about those kinds of things

What are you talking about? We've got a cat-girl in my campaign and so far her biggest definining moment is when she betrayed the party while having sex with the party rogue.

[Alavar]

Even if the first quote is correct, perhaps the plane has semi-sentience, and exerts its own influence on particular sections of water as to gravity or random denizens affect it. I can see some random ocean-dwelling race to have set up a fan of some sort that creates a current for them to swim in, and its their daily workout. I would bet that they wouldn't particularly care about how it affects the surrounding area.

Anyway, what about ways to get around the lack of gravity and therefore pressure on the water near the gate? I say create a wall of iron such that its larger flat surface is lying parallel to the gate, then stand on the side of the wall opposite to the gate, and direct gravity downwards. Even if most of the water fails to go through the gate due to the higher pressure, some would go through. Hmm...I wonder if the "gravity" created can be stronger than normal.

[Johel]

What are you talking about? We've got a cat-girl in my campaign and so far her biggest definining moment is when she betrayed the party while having sex with the party rogue.

She did both at the same time ?
The betrayal must have been painful for the poor rogue

[Mando Knight]

Well, obviously you're going to drain the lake. When you cut a hole in the bottom of a pitcher full of water and let it float on top of the ocean, does it overflow? No. But if you cut a hole in the side of a submerged submarine and put a pitcher of water under the hole, it's gonna fill fast.

[Myou]

Edited: sorry...kinda sensitive about those kinds of things

What things? Jokes?

What are you talking about? We've got a cat-girl in my campaign and so far her biggest definining moment is when she betrayed the party while having sex with the party rogue.

See! See! I knew it! It's a prostitute conspiracy! They must have some obscure prestige class!

[Sipex]

She did both at the same time ?
The betrayal must have been painful for the poor rogue

You could say he was caught with his pants down.

[Yora]

Well, obviously you're going to drain the lake. When you cut a hole in the bottom of a pitcher full of water and let it float on top of the ocean, does it overflow? No. But if you cut a hole in the side of a submerged submarine and put a pitcher of water under the hole, it's gonna fill fast.

Because of differences in water pressure. The pressure is the important factor, not the amount of water on each side.
And some of us argue, that the pressure on the plane of water is lower than on the bottom of a lake. Because a lake has gravity, and the plane of water has not.

[Jair Barik]

The more pressing issue is that if you open a gate into the Elemental Plane of fire how quickly would it use up the worlds oxygen supply?

[Sipex]

To be specific the party was wanted for reasons I won't get into and she had been hired by the mayor at the time to infiltrate the party and tear them apart from the inside (she's a player but the group is fine with some internal betrayal stuff, they're all pretty nice to each other). She starts the day by sending a note to the nearest guard post saying "Infamous bandit <rogue's name> was spotted <location> yesterday. Check it out" then she lures the rogue there and keeps him there by...well, you know the rest.

[shadzar]

Kris Strife:

Yes the series is good, until it goes into Valkyrie Ghost arc....then it just dies.

Shadzar, I can't believe you know that.

Just tell me you weren't a fan of the series.

Yora: go watch Outlaw Star for non-annoying catgirls. Or Dominion Tank Police.

Yes I am a fan of Valkyrie. Don't make me lock you in a room with Chorus.

As for non-annoying catgirls...You are out of your freaking mind! The puma-sisters are cute but VERY annoying, and saw were the the Katar-Katar (sp) clan!

You want non-annoying cat-girls you need to look to Nuku-Nuku...the All-Purpose Catgirl.

[Mando Knight]

Because of differences in water pressure. The pressure is the important factor, not the amount of water on each side.

Yes. Fill a bowl with water, suspend it on top of a large body of water, and then cut a hole in the bottom of the bowl. The water will flow out of the bowl and into the body of water, despite the lower amount of water inside the bowl. Now replace "bowl of water" with "ocean" and "hole in the bottom of the bowl, connecting it to an adjacent, larger body of water" with "gate to the elemental plane of water." Exact same thing happens, just on a larger scale

Thus, if you want to flood a material plane, you have to place the gate where the local surface pressure of the water on the gate is higher than that of the local surface pressure of the target material plane on the gate, like on a mountain cliff. Water will then flow through the gate at a rate proportional to the pressure difference between the two planes until the gate closes.

[Yora]

Yes. Fill a bowl with water, suspend it on top of a large body of water, and then cut a hole in the bottom of the bowl. The water will flow out of the bowl and into the body of water, despite the lower amount of water inside the bowl. Now replace "bowl of water" with "ocean" and "hole in the bottom of the bowl, connecting it to an adjacent, larger body of water" with "gate to the elemental plane of water." Exact same thing happens, just on a larger scale

I'm pretty sure this doesn't work that way! ^^
The bowl fills because the bowl sinks down in the water. If the lake is like water in a bowl, that would make the planet the bowl, and the planet would have to float on the surface of the plane of water.
And by default, the material plane does not consist of planets floating on the plane of waters surface. ^^

Thus, if you want to flood a material plane, you have to place the gate where the local surface pressure of the water on the gate is higher than that of the local surface pressure of the target material plane on the gate, like on a mountain cliff. Water will then flow through the gate at a rate proportional to the pressure difference between the two planes until the gate closes.

That, of course, would work with any water pressure on the plane of water.

[Mushroom Ninja]

YAY! A catgirl-slaying thread! It's been too long since we had our last one. An internet goes to Heliomace!

Thus, a gate to the elemental plane of water at the ocean floor would actually result in water following the pressure gradient and flowing from the ocean into the plane, lowering the sea level rather than raising it.

If someone who knows more hydrostatics than I do would like to run the calculations and come up with an approximate figure for the pressure on the plane of water, it would be quite interesting.

I've never done much with hydrostatics, but I found this site on static water pressure. It would seem that the pressure of the Elemental plane of water is Zero. However, someone should check this for me. I'm not certain I'm using the right formula.


Btw, for anyone interested, here are some links to past bouts of Physics silliness:
Here
And Here

[quick_comment]

The plane of water is held together by magical forces. It cannot be run by real world physics.

Why?

Without gravity, the water will have the same pressure as a vacuum. If you open a swimming pool to vaccuum, it will boil.

Since the plane of water isnt boiling, it cannot follow our physics.

[Yora]

That would be the case if the plane of water were an infinite sized space holding a finite amount of water.
But if the amount of water is also infinite, the water pressure could be anything.

[Megatron46]

What is it with Catgirls? I don't really watch/like anime/manga, but there are a lot of pictures of them out there?

I mean, how do they exist? Do other people not notice that they have ears and a tail?

It just confuses me!