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Thread: portable holes
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2009-09-11, 11:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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portable holes
what happens if you open a portable hole on a wall, put something in, then open it on the floor? would the opening be on the "ceiling" of the space or would everything inside now be standing differently?
it gets even weirder if you are inside and then try to open it on a different wall.
what happens?
edit: and what happens if you open it on a curved surface?Last edited by thubby; 2009-09-11 at 11:23 PM.
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2009-09-12, 01:10 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: portable holes
I was always under the impression that a portable hole could only be accessed if laid out upon a flat surface parallel to the ground.
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2009-09-12, 01:26 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: portable holes
It's magic. Badly thought out magic.
The portable hole description doesn't mention any requirements other than a flat surface. Technically it'll open if you sovereign glue it to a piece of cardboard.
Ever wonder what happens if you stick a long iron pole into a portable hole (longer than the hole is deep)
and then you fold up the hole, shutting the portal while the stick is halfway through?
Much wondering about the nature of gravity and various portal tricks led to the nastiness that is in this thread:
http://community.wizards.com/go/thre...erpretation_of
EDIT: it was mostly my fault, but meh.
EDIT2: actually it doesn't even need a flat surface. It says "a surface". not specifying "flat"Last edited by jseah; 2009-09-12 at 01:28 AM.
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2009-09-12, 01:29 AM (ISO 8601)
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2009-09-12, 01:49 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: portable holes
Surprisingly low.
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2009-09-12, 01:50 AM (ISO 8601)
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2009-09-12, 02:02 AM (ISO 8601)
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Avatar of Gnar'tigor - former Star Player of the Hellborn Hooligans Blood Bowl team - by Savannah
Brilliant D&D song from Aussie comedy band Tripod.
If anyone can find a better-quality version of that, let me know.
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2009-09-12, 02:17 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: portable holes
XD Which side then? Does it go into the portable hole or outside the hole?
Besides, it's not a "teleporting into another object" problem. It's a half-here and half-not problem.
Also, envision this problem:
A portable hole is open on the floor, I stick a 8ft iron pole into it with 2 ft sticking out of the hole. (it's 6ft deep IIRC)
Then you pour concrete over the whole thing to make no space for the iron pole other than where it is right now.
I shut the hole. (say with a Burrowing Power Psionic Dispel)
Where does the pole go? It can't fit into the hole and there's no space outside the hole for the pole. Oops...
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2009-09-12, 02:17 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: portable holes
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2009-09-12, 02:21 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: portable holes
If you say the pole just gets shunted to the nearest open space from the concrete mound...
Here's the problem again:
I'm on a private demiplane with no portals into it or out of it. The only way in is Plane Shift.
I do the same thing as above, but fill the ENTIRE demiplane with concrete. Not a problem since it's only ~ten feet in diameter. Now there's no space anywhere for the pole...
Where does it go then? XDXDLast edited by jseah; 2009-09-12 at 02:21 AM.
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2009-09-12, 11:55 AM (ISO 8601)
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I always figure that portable holes worked like anything else you store stuff in, only its non-dimensional. You open it on the floor and put something on the bottom, you see the top of it. You open it on the side of a wall and you see the top of the object. Nothing changes except where you have the hole.
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2009-09-12, 11:59 AM (ISO 8601)
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2009-09-12, 01:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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Ahah! But then, you have the question:
How much damage does the thing take? Or, in other words, how far did it travel to get there?
And deal falling damage to everything inside by placing it on a rotating platform and alternate the up/down directions every second or so? I don't think that's intended.
And if that is the case, you have VERY strange things going on if you bend the hole.
Like a circular tube of water will have a continuous current if you bend it right.
Or that you can go back to where you started by only turning 270*. And never having to go against gravity.
Or much much more nastier things.
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2009-09-14, 07:01 AM (ISO 8601)
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2009-09-14, 07:19 AM (ISO 8601)
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Bah, I just like to think of it as a portable door to some room, if you put it on the floor you see the room from above, if you put it on a door, its like a door..
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2009-09-14, 08:33 AM (ISO 8601)
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2009-09-14, 08:47 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: portable holes
How would you do that?
I would have thought that if closed from the inside, it was completely isolated from the outside world and therefore could only be opened at the same spot as it was when you closed it. There's nothing for someone outside the hole to pick up and move around to a different surface.
Or do you mean, if you're inside the hole and you close it, what happens if you then open it at a different spot on the inside? If so, my answer is that there's only one opening on the inside of the hole.
Here's how I'd handle it: You can open the hole on any flat surface. It opens on to a 10'-deep shaft perpendicular to the plane of the surface. When opened, gravity within the hole is whatever it is outside. When closed, it retains the gravity from its last opening. Thus, you drop something in to the hole, close it up, open it on the ceiling and have the thing fall out, but in between it doesn't get jostled about. If you open it on a curved surface, the shaft's perpendicularity works off the centre of the circle of cloth, and if the surface is so highly curved that the cloth loops back under itself then those parts just remain cloth and the opening is correspondingly narrower.
As to "what happens if you close it around something too large to fit in it"... how are you closing it if the thing is too large? Wouldn't it extend out of the opening and prevent you from drawing it shut?