[3.5] Tenser's Transformation and the Factotum

[Paulus]

Say you wanted to augment your straight Factotum for melee, would Tenser's transformation be worth it in this case? The main draw back I see is that it won't allow you to use spell complete items or triggers, which means no wands or scrolls etc. Is this a plausible way to get full bab, or is there any other way to get full bab and combat bonuses from a spell without multiclassing for Divine Power?

Edit: as a matter of fact, is it really such a draw back? wands and scrolls really don't seem that useful for a Factotum. But being able to increase their melee ability (bab specifically) with magic as a Spell like ability seems decent enough. Or am I missing the importance of wands and scrolls vs. Combat ability for the Factotum?

[Myrmex]

The factotum is all about versatility. Being able to hulk out as a warrior at the cost of casting 1/day could definitely be useful.

[PinkysBrain]

If you have UMD you can still use wands&scrolls with UMD if you have used Tensor's Transformation.

[Paulus]

If you have UMD you can still use wands&scrolls with UMD if you have used Tensor's Transformation.

Huh, so it is a good alternative, Ill have to keep it in mind for my Melee Factotum. J-J-J-J-JAWESOME! Thanks guys!

[Akal Saris]

Well, you can always UMD a wand of Divine Power, so the factotum does have that option available as well. And even with the loss of the ability to use spell trigger items normally, logically you could still UMD them if necessary.

I'd say that it's probably worth knowing, though as a DM, I would house-rule that this prohibits use of his other spell-likes for the duration of the spell.

Another good spell to cast would be the rogue version of this, Nightstalker's Transformation. Tenser's is better in most cases though.

[Korivan]

Don't forget theirs a 2nd level spell that gives you fighter feats, has decent duration. Important if you want Power Attack, Leap Attack and few others. Especially if you don't want to use up your feats for fighter stuff. Definatly worth using those for Font of Inspiration, assuming your DM lets you have them.

[deuxhero]

Nightstalker's Transformation?

[Korivan]

Nightstalker's Transformation?

Boosts your dex, gives you sneak attack, and some other rouge like abilities. The rouge version of the fighter transformation.

On an afterthought, wonder if its possible to make a clerical transformation.

[Cieyrin]

Boosts your dex, gives you sneak attack, and some other rouge like abilities. The rouge version of the fighter transformation.

On an afterthought, wonder if its possible to make a clerical transformation.

What would a clerical version even be like? you'd suddenly gain turning ability or cast divine spells with your slots? that sounds like you're making a mini-chameleon to me.

[deuxhero]

Boosts your dex, gives you sneak attack, and some other rouge like abilities. The rouge version of the fighter transformation.

Was more of a "where?" than a "what?".

[Grumman]

Was more of a "where?" than a "what?".

IIRC, it's in the Spell Compendium.

There's also a Psionic version, Mental Pinnacle, in the EPH.

[deuxhero]

EPH?

Do you mean this spell?

[Paulus]

Mental Pinnacle (psion emulation) EPH
Nightstalker's Transformation (rogue emulation) SC
Tenser's Transformation (fighter emulation) PHB
Divine Power (Clericzilla emulation) PHB

Missing anything?
Thanks a lot by the way!

[sonofzeal]

"Buying a shortsword of throwing" = Soulknife emulation?

[Korivan]

Was more of a "where?" than a "what?".

Sorry, its in the MIC

EDIT: NINJED!!!!!

[quick_comment]

Why does tenser's transformation stop the factotum from casting more spells. Doesnt he use SLAs, not actual spells?

[deuxhero]

Sorry, its in the MIC

EDIT: NINJED!!!!!

What is a spell doing in the magic item compendium?

[Cieyrin]

Mental Pinnacle (psion emulation) EPH
Nightstalker's Transformation (rogue emulation) SC
Tenser's Transformation (fighter emulation) PHB
Divine Power (Clericzilla emulation) PHB

Missing anything?
Thanks a lot by the way!

I wouldn't say Divine Power is cleric emulation so much as it's clerics emulating melee.

[Paulus]

I wouldn't say Divine Power is cleric emulation so much as it's clerics emulating melee.

Paladin emulation perhaps?

[Quietus]

Boosts your dex, gives you sneak attack, and some other rouge like abilities. The rouge version of the fighter transformation.

On an afterthought, wonder if its possible to make a clerical transformation.

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[sonofzeal]

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[Lycanthromancer]

Boosts your dex, gives you sneak attack, and some other rouge like abilities. The rouge version of the fighter transformation.

On an afterthought, wonder if its possible to make a clerical transformation.

Wouldn't that be transvestite's transformation?

[deuxhero]

^What if they are already female?

Makeup Transformation sounds really magical girly.

[Akal Saris]

Wouldn't that be transvestite's transformation?

I'm just a transsexual transmuter from Transylvania...

[Lycanthromancer]

^What if they are already female?

Makeup Transformation sounds really magical girly.

D&D is like The Interweb. There are no girls.

[Korivan]

What is a spell doing in the magic item compendium?

Whoops, brain fart. I meant the Spell Compendium....

[deuxhero]

D&D is like The Interweb. There are no girls.

Of coarse I know that, I meant the character.

[Lamech]

Wouldn't turning into a hydra be better? Don't they give a 12 attacks a standard action. Probably would work really well with some buffs.

[Paulus]

Wouldn't turning into a hydra be better? Don't they give a 12 attacks a standard action. Probably would work really well with some buffs.

Yeah, but you only get to cast polymorph once a day as you can not reuse your spell after you cast em until the next day and you can't prepare more than one of any spell. Average 3-4 encounter a day. So, Tenser's, Nighstalker, HD appropriate Dragon, wand of Divine Power. Should be good eh?

[taltamir]

What would a clerical version even be like? you'd suddenly gain turning ability or cast divine spells with your slots? that sounds like you're making a mini-chameleon to me.

transforms you into some sort of celestial while giving you their cleric casting abilities for duration of spell?
A bit cheesy though :)