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2009-10-04, 06:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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So we heard you liked Lances?
So we heard you liked Lances? So we put a lance in your other hand, so you can lance people, while you lance people.
does this work?
Lion totem Barabrian (for pounce)
TWF, over sized twf (lance is one handed if your mounted)
Spirited charger (+mounted combat, Ride-By Attack)
I was thinking human Barb 1 Fighter 2, psiWarrior 2, plenty of feats there, 2 spare feats (si this can be done at lvl 3), if i counteded right,
so weapon focus lance, weapon specialty lance.
x3 or x4 (Depedning if the multiplication in dnd rules are being used)
on every attack make after a charge,
which depending on reading of rideby attack should try to be all of them.
lvl 8 feat gets improved critical, like any decent TWFing buildLast edited by oxinabox; 2009-10-05 at 06:20 PM.
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2009-10-04, 06:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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It's not bad, but I think you're better off with one lance and power attack.
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2009-10-04, 07:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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2009-10-04, 07:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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I've seen this build alot and I always think: What if I had 3 spear-men....
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3 level 5 Spartans Barbarian1/Fighter4 or Barbarian1/Warblade4 CR8
Elite Array
Spartan
Male CN Human Barbarian1/Fighter4 or Barbarian1/Warblade4
Level 5, Init +0/+6, HP 40, Speed 40
AC 20, Touch 12, Flat-footed 18,
Fort +5, Ref +0, Will +0
Base Attack Bonus 5
MW Spear +9 (1d6+2, x2)
MW Shield +8 (1d6+2, x2)
MW Chain shirt (+5 Armor)
MW Shield, Heavy (+3 Armor)
Abilities Str 15, Dex 15, Con 12, Int 13, Wis 10, Cha 8
Feats Weapon focus Spear, Improved Shield Bash, Power Attack, Combat Reflexes, Backstab, Formation Expert
Flaws for Improved init and Warchanter
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2009-10-04, 07:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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2009-10-04, 07:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay back in 1st ed (just after original Unearthed Arcana), our ~lvl6'ish (can't remember) party paladin charged Tiamat (Chromatic Dragon) and managed a One Hit Kill with a heavy lance aboard his pally warhorse.
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2009-10-04, 08:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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2009-10-04, 11:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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1st ed Tiamat only had ~68 hp from memory.
but still, a lvl 6 PC that one-shots a bloody lesser goddess just aint right, whichever way you look at it.
that pally got even ruder not long after when he got his grubby, grubby hands on a Holy Avenger sword (in 1ed, a pally with a holy avenger was desperatly and seriously rude).
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My advice? Add in Scout for skirmish, as it will always apply on a charge.
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2009-10-05, 12:15 AM (ISO 8601)
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There is nothing on earth that we share; it is either Valjean or Javert!
"A wizard can in fact be thought of the custodian to a familiar, a terrifying beast that charges its foes, slashing them to shreds while delivering their master's touch spells and bestowing upon their masters incredible bonuses to their hp or skill checks. A wizard is nearly powerless without one."
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2009-10-05, 12:19 AM (ISO 8601)
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Pounce won't work while mounted. The issue isn't action availability, the charge action is taken by the mount. You can take a full attack.
The issue is hard wired into mounted combat rules. When you move more than 5 feet while mounted, you are limited to a single melee attack.
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2009-10-05, 12:31 AM (ISO 8601)
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http://www.crystalkeep.com/d20/rules...asses-Base.pdf - Page 160. Light cavalry variant.
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2009-10-05, 01:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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You don't really need the stealthy mount, actually, provided you have your character take levels in Wild Plains Outrider, as then the mount uses your ranks in Hide and Move Silently.
Wild Plains Outrider also solves the full mounted attack, as the capstone ability at 3rd allows you to do so, though only after a move action, which isn't exactly a charge but whatevers.
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2009-10-05, 01:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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Difficult terrain will be your bane until you can get a flying mount, since it will ruin your charges. Are there any good land-based mount-compatible creatures that ignore difficult terrain?
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2009-10-05, 01:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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1) Acquire Pounce.
2) Acquire Familiar and/or Psicrystal.
3) Max ranks in Ride.
4) Familiar sits on your head, wields a tiny tiny lance.
5) Charge + Full Attack + Toothpick in the eyeball?
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2009-10-05, 01:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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How do you propose a small crystal hold a lance?
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I just have to say, while I love lances and I love the build, this line is just wrong. You should follow the multiplication rules whether your DM notices or not. Cheating is double plus lame.
Unless you meant your DM has a house rule, in which case I take back my words, but it doesn't sound like it.
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If you want to sneak attack while mounted, have either your character or your mount take the Martial Stance (island of blades) feat. As long as you and an ally are adjacent to the enemy you count as flanking, which means you can sneak attack while charging.
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2009-10-05, 06:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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sorry that was a mistype.
I didn't mean to imply you should break the rules when you dm isn't watching.
I ment ot say being used.
I'm seen dm's who take a look at the multiplication rule (after being prompted by a player who knew the rules) and hte dm's like WTF? no, multiplcation is multiplication, i'll have none of this addition in muy games.There is nothing on earth that we share; it is either Valjean or Javert!
"A wizard can in fact be thought of the custodian to a familiar, a terrifying beast that charges its foes, slashing them to shreds while delivering their master's touch spells and bestowing upon their masters incredible bonuses to their hp or skill checks. A wizard is nearly powerless without one."
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2009-10-05, 06:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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Doesn't matter. If your mount moves while you're riding it, it counts as movement for the rider. You can guide the mount with your knees as a free action, which means you still have a move and standard action available, but your mount's movement counts as you moving if you're trying to do something like a full attack or a 5' step. You could possibly use a free dismount after your mount has moved, at which point you might be able to get away with a full attack because you're no longer mounted, but there's still that "can only make a single melee attack" clause to contend with, so you'll probably need some friendly hand-waving from the DM.
Hmm... ok, let's see if there's another loophole to exploit here...
The one-attack restriction does not apply to the mount, which may have pounce. If my mount has multiple arms, and is carrying multiple lances, can they make a full attack and get double damage, since the mount counts as a "mounted character"?
Now let's say I'm a thri-kreen with a psi-crystal or familiar, and I've got ranks in ride. I can tell my familiar to "ride" me as a mount (and if they had the Mounted Combat feat, they could make a ride check to negate one hit in combat per round). Per the charge rules, "A lance deals double damage if employed by a mounted character in a charge."
Another possible loophole... what happens if we add Bloodstorm Blade for Thunderous Throw? The Mounted Combat rules say, "You can make a full attack with a ranged weapon while your mount is moving." However, it's not clear if a charge would count... it's mentioned that this is possible during a double move or a run action, but if your full attack counts as both ranged and melee attacks... can you charge + pounce + thunderous throw?Handbooks:
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