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    Default Optimizing a level 20 druid for a duel!(3.5)

    I need to know the best possible options for a level 20 druid.

    This is a from scratch druid so all feats are an option, the DM has told me to pull out all the stops and make this druid a MONSTER so im going for it. there are only a few limitations.

    LIMITATIONS:
    Core(phb) races only.
    No 3rd party content (which includes dragon magazine)
    No 3.0/must be 3.5
    Gold limit of 120,000

    that's it. . those are my only limitations. . .

    I have access to so many books it would be silly to list them. . . I dont have much eberon but I do have a little.
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    Default Re: Optimizing a level 20 druid for a duel!(3.5)

    Take Planar Shepherd.

    Win.

    That is all.

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    Be a kobold Master of Many Forms.

    Win more.

    That is all.
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    Default Re: Optimizing a level 20 druid for a duel!(3.5)

    Quote Originally Posted by Pharaoh's Fist View Post
    Be a kobold Master of Many Forms.

    Win more.

    That is all.
    I'd love to but i'm not allowed. . . *pout*

    i have to be a Players handbook race
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    Default Re: Optimizing a level 20 druid for a duel!(3.5)

    Quote Originally Posted by Tackyhillbillu View Post
    Take Planar Shepherd.
    Quote Originally Posted by Pharaoh's Fist
    Be a kobold Master of Many Forms.
    No 3rd party content...?

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    Default Re: Optimizing a level 20 druid for a duel!(3.5)

    Those aren't 3rd party content, they're just other splatbooks published by WotC.
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    Default Re: Optimizing a level 20 druid for a duel!(3.5)

    Planar Shepard is in an Eberron book (Dieties of Eberron? Something like that) so it's not 3rd party.

    Master of Many Forms is in Complete Adventurer, so it's not 3rd party.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShadowsGrnEyes View Post
    I'd love to but i'm not allowed. . . *pout*

    i have to be a Players handbook race
    You don't actually have to be a kobold. It just helps if you start out as one.

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    Default Re: Optimizing a level 20 druid for a duel!(3.5)

    If he really wants you to make him cry, Planar Shepherd from Faiths of Eberron can give you either basically limitless free wishes or a 10:1 action ratio. And you get full Wildshape, AC, and spellcasting progression.
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    Default Re: Optimizing a level 20 druid for a duel!(3.5)

    Planar shepperd is kind of the obvious choice. . . anything else? Anything not so broken it should have been banned from the game a long time ago? lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShadowsGrnEyes View Post
    Planar shepperd is kind of the obvious choice. . . anything else? Anything not so broken it should have been banned from the game a long time ago? lol
    Venomfire, Fleshrakers...

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    Oh, god, I forgot Venomfire. Serpent Kingdoms, adds 1d6 per CL to all poisonous attacks for hours/level. Grab a Fleshraker AC(MMIII) and cast it on him, go to town. Then go to hell for unleashing such a monstrosity.
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    Thankfully, this isn't for the game. We'll be down a player for the first 2 hours of next week's game, so a couple players suggested a level 20 arena 4 person brawl. I said it was fine with me, we've been plot heavy lately, so a nice visceral fight sounded great. I feel sorry for those poor saps come Wednesday.

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    Default Re: Optimizing a level 20 druid for a duel!(3.5)

    Unless they come with totally pimped out Incantatrixes, Ruby Knight Vindicators, and Infinite-PP Anticipatory Strike Psions...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pharaoh's Fist View Post
    Unless they come with totally pimped out Incantatrixes, Ruby Knight Vindicators, and Infinite-PP Anticipatory Strike Psions...
    The thing is, we're all going to be frighting eachother. . .this is going to be a 4 way duel. . . we're all going to build the most bad ass thing we can and then try to kill eachother. .. it'll be fun. . .

    So. . . the real question is going to be who wants to take bets on what build is gonna win?
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    We'll see. Good news is, it's just a reprieve from plot, so I can participate as a combatant. The caster i'm cooking up is pretty fantastic. I hate to admit it, but I WAS kinda thinking Incantrix. Trying for as-many-spells-in-one-turn-as-possible cheese. Preferably with a lot of Sudden Metamagic Feats.

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    If you 2 are both in this fight, you need separate threads. It's too complicated otherwise.

    Although you may want to work together, at least initially...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Johanas View Post
    We'll see. Good news is, it's just a reprieve from plot, so I can participate as a combatant. The caster i'm cooking up is pretty fantastic. I hate to admit it, but I WAS kinda thinking Incantrix. Trying for as-many-spells-in-one-turn-as-possible cheese. Preferably with a lot of Sudden Metamagic Feats.
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    Isn't it more than a little unfair for Combatant #2 to be checking in on Combatant #1's "Help me with my build" thread?

    Recon mission, etc?

    You might consider things like explosive spell to add to large AoE effects...such as storm of vengeance...

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    Either way, make heavy use of Shapechange. In fact, you mite as well DMM: Persist Shapechange, picking up Turning with a level of Cleric or Sacred Exorcist or such (allows Persisting other nice buffs too; though the most powerful Druid-buffs are hour/level anyways). You can use it...for awesome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShadowsGrnEyes View Post
    Planar shepperd is kind of the obvious choice. . . anything else? Anything not so broken it should have been banned from the game a long time ago? lol
    You can check some of the ToS high tier caster fights to see what's left after all the obviously broken stuff is banned.

    (Hint : win init, anticipate contingencies, have tricky contingencies which can't be anticipated ... also, don't die when killed.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pharaoh's Fist View Post
    Venomfire, Fleshrakers...
    At level 20 Fleshrakers are for wussies. Behold the sensation that is Ten-Headed Shrieking Terror! Share Shapechange with your animal companion, cast Energy admixtured Maximized (use a rod) Venomfire at caster level, say, 25 (easy to get, Beads of karma and Ioun stone alone do this) and enjoy the 3000 damage both you and your companion can dish out each round.

    Also, halfling might be a good choice for a race. Races of the Wild has a feat called Yondalla's sense and it gives you your wisdom modifier to initiative. No need to worship Yondalla either...
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    Gold limit of 120,000
    120,000 gp at level 20? Really? That's 1/6 of the advised WBL! VoP is considered decent for druids, with only 1/6 of normal wbl I think that should push it over the edge.
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    Be a VOP druid planar shepherd. You'll cast as a level 20 druid and a level 20 cleric via wildshaping into a solar. You also get wishes, and time in a small radius around you passes ten times as fast. This means for every round that passes outside the planar bubble, you get ten rounds of time to act on.

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    Have any of the other players told you some of their ideas? If so, what are they? this could help with the decision making problems. For example, if someone is immune to arcane magic, a wizard would not be advisable, and so on. What is everyone else?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrono22 View Post
    Be a VOP druid planar shepherd. You'll cast as a level 20 druid and a level 20 cleric via wildshaping into a solar. You also get wishes, and time in a small radius around you passes ten times as fast. This means for every round that passes outside the planar bubble, you get ten rounds of time to act on.
    22 HD. Good luck. I know Mantle of the Beast gives you +1 effective HD and there probably is another item like that, but that won't work with VoP.

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    Where does this HD limit come from? I'm not seeing it in the description of wild shape.
    Usually HD limits are 2 * your caster level, not equal.

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    Where does this HD limit come from? I'm not seeing it in the description of wild shape.
    Usually HD limits are 2 * your caster level, not equal.
    1) Errata.
    2) Go Planetar.
    3) Black Ethergaunt.
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    Where does this HD limit come from? I'm not seeing it in the description of wild shape.
    Usually HD limits are 2 * your caster level, not equal.
    Where did you get that figure from? Let me show you the rules on this with some examples:
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    You assume the form of a creature of the same type as your normal form. The new form must be within one size category of your normal size. The maximum HD of an assumed form is equal to your caster level, to a maximum of 5 HD at 5th level. You can change into a member of your own kind or even into yourself.
    Quote Originally Posted by Shapechange
    This spell functions like polymorph, except that it enables you to assume the form of any single nonunique creature (of any type) from Fine to Colossal size. The assumed form cannot have more than your caster level in Hit Dice (to a maximum of 25 HD). Unlike polymorph, this spell allows incorporeal or gaseous forms to be assumed.
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    The new form’s Hit Dice can’t exceed the character’s druid level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eldariel View Post
    1) Errata.
    2) Go Planetar.
    3) Black Ethergaunt.
    This. Without Vow of Poverty you might somehow be able to snatch that Solar form though. I'd probably settle for Planetar wild shape and, like Eldariel suggested, Shapechange into a Black Ethegaunt to get Wizard casting as well. No need to stop when the fun has just started.

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