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2009-12-04, 12:36 AM (ISO 8601)
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Optimizing a level 20 druid for a duel!(3.5)
I need to know the best possible options for a level 20 druid.
This is a from scratch druid so all feats are an option, the DM has told me to pull out all the stops and make this druid a MONSTER so im going for it. there are only a few limitations.
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Core(phb) races only.
No 3rd party content (which includes dragon magazine)
No 3.0/must be 3.5
Gold limit of 120,000
that's it. . those are my only limitations. . .
I have access to so many books it would be silly to list them. . . I dont have much eberon but I do have a little.Last edited by ShadowsGrnEyes; 2009-12-04 at 12:41 AM.
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2009-12-04, 12:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Optimizing a level 20 druid for a duel!(3.5)
Take Planar Shepherd.
Win.
That is all.
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2009-12-04, 12:39 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Optimizing a level 20 druid for a duel!(3.5)
Be a kobold Master of Many Forms.
Win more.
That is all.Last edited by Pharaoh's Fist; 2009-12-04 at 12:40 AM.
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2009-12-04, 12:43 AM (ISO 8601)
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2009-12-04, 12:43 AM (ISO 8601)
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2009-12-04, 12:46 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Optimizing a level 20 druid for a duel!(3.5)
Those aren't 3rd party content, they're just other splatbooks published by WotC.
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2009-12-04, 12:47 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Optimizing a level 20 druid for a duel!(3.5)
Planar Shepard is in an Eberron book (Dieties of Eberron? Something like that) so it's not 3rd party.
Master of Many Forms is in Complete Adventurer, so it's not 3rd party.
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2009-12-04, 12:47 AM (ISO 8601)
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2009-12-04, 12:51 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Optimizing a level 20 druid for a duel!(3.5)
If he really wants you to make him cry, Planar Shepherd from Faiths of Eberron can give you either basically limitless free wishes or a 10:1 action ratio. And you get full Wildshape, AC, and spellcasting progression.
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FAQ is not RAW!Avatar by the incredible CrimsonAngel.
Saph:It's surprising how many problems can be solved by one druid spell combined with enough aggression.
I play primarily 3.5 D&D. Most of my advice will be based off of this. If my advice doesn't apply, specify a version in your post.
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2009-12-04, 12:58 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Optimizing a level 20 druid for a duel!(3.5)
Planar shepperd is kind of the obvious choice. . . anything else? Anything not so broken it should have been banned from the game a long time ago? lol
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2009-12-04, 12:59 AM (ISO 8601)
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2009-12-04, 01:02 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Optimizing a level 20 druid for a duel!(3.5)
Oh, god, I forgot Venomfire. Serpent Kingdoms, adds 1d6 per CL to all poisonous attacks for hours/level. Grab a Fleshraker AC(MMIII) and cast it on him, go to town. Then go to hell for unleashing such a monstrosity.
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FAQ is not RAW!Avatar by the incredible CrimsonAngel.
Saph:It's surprising how many problems can be solved by one druid spell combined with enough aggression.
I play primarily 3.5 D&D. Most of my advice will be based off of this. If my advice doesn't apply, specify a version in your post.
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2009-12-04, 01:16 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Optimizing a level 20 druid for a duel!(3.5)
Thankfully, this isn't for the game. We'll be down a player for the first 2 hours of next week's game, so a couple players suggested a level 20 arena 4 person brawl. I said it was fine with me, we've been plot heavy lately, so a nice visceral fight sounded great. I feel sorry for those poor saps come Wednesday.
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2009-12-04, 01:17 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Optimizing a level 20 druid for a duel!(3.5)
Unless they come with totally pimped out Incantatrixes, Ruby Knight Vindicators, and Infinite-PP Anticipatory Strike Psions...
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2009-12-04, 01:21 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Optimizing a level 20 druid for a duel!(3.5)
The thing is, we're all going to be frighting eachother. . .this is going to be a 4 way duel. . . we're all going to build the most bad ass thing we can and then try to kill eachother. .. it'll be fun. . .
So. . . the real question is going to be who wants to take bets on what build is gonna win?RAMS > RAI > RAW
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2009-12-04, 01:23 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Optimizing a level 20 druid for a duel!(3.5)
We'll see. Good news is, it's just a reprieve from plot, so I can participate as a combatant. The caster i'm cooking up is pretty fantastic. I hate to admit it, but I WAS kinda thinking Incantrix. Trying for as-many-spells-in-one-turn-as-possible cheese. Preferably with a lot of Sudden Metamagic Feats.
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2009-12-04, 01:26 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Optimizing a level 20 druid for a duel!(3.5)
If you 2 are both in this fight, you need separate threads. It's too complicated otherwise.
Although you may want to work together, at least initially...[/sarcasm]
FAQ is not RAW!Avatar by the incredible CrimsonAngel.
Saph:It's surprising how many problems can be solved by one druid spell combined with enough aggression.
I play primarily 3.5 D&D. Most of my advice will be based off of this. If my advice doesn't apply, specify a version in your post.
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2009-12-04, 01:39 AM (ISO 8601)
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2009-12-04, 02:18 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Optimizing a level 20 druid for a duel!(3.5)
Isn't it more than a little unfair for Combatant #2 to be checking in on Combatant #1's "Help me with my build" thread?
Recon mission, etc?
You might consider things like explosive spell to add to large AoE effects...such as storm of vengeance...
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2009-12-04, 02:59 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Optimizing a level 20 druid for a duel!(3.5)
Either way, make heavy use of Shapechange. In fact, you mite as well DMM: Persist Shapechange, picking up Turning with a level of Cleric or Sacred Exorcist or such (allows Persisting other nice buffs too; though the most powerful Druid-buffs are hour/level anyways). You can use it...for awesome.
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2009-12-04, 03:10 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Optimizing a level 20 druid for a duel!(3.5)
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2009-12-04, 07:24 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Optimizing a level 20 druid for a duel!(3.5)
At level 20 Fleshrakers are for wussies. Behold the sensation that is Ten-Headed Shrieking Terror! Share Shapechange with your animal companion, cast Energy admixtured Maximized (use a rod) Venomfire at caster level, say, 25 (easy to get, Beads of karma and Ioun stone alone do this) and enjoy the 3000 damage both you and your companion can dish out each round.
Also, halfling might be a good choice for a race. Races of the Wild has a feat called Yondalla's sense and it gives you your wisdom modifier to initiative. No need to worship Yondalla either...Last edited by Tshern; 2009-12-04 at 07:25 AM.
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2009-12-04, 07:28 AM (ISO 8601)
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2009-12-04, 07:33 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Optimizing a level 20 druid for a duel!(3.5)
Be a VOP druid planar shepherd. You'll cast as a level 20 druid and a level 20 cleric via wildshaping into a solar. You also get wishes, and time in a small radius around you passes ten times as fast. This means for every round that passes outside the planar bubble, you get ten rounds of time to act on.
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2009-12-04, 07:43 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Optimizing a level 20 druid for a duel!(3.5)
Have any of the other players told you some of their ideas? If so, what are they? this could help with the decision making problems. For example, if someone is immune to arcane magic, a wizard would not be advisable, and so on. What is everyone else?
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2009-12-04, 07:48 AM (ISO 8601)
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2009-12-04, 07:51 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Optimizing a level 20 druid for a duel!(3.5)
Where does this HD limit come from? I'm not seeing it in the description of wild shape.
Usually HD limits are 2 * your caster level, not equal.
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2009-12-04, 08:00 AM (ISO 8601)
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2009-12-04, 08:01 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Optimizing a level 20 druid for a duel!(3.5)
This. Without Vow of Poverty you might somehow be able to snatch that Solar form though. I'd probably settle for Planetar wild shape and, like Eldariel suggested, Shapechange into a Black Ethegaunt to get Wizard casting as well. No need to stop when the fun has just started.