The Age of the Warriors - a ToB expansion book idea

[JoshuaZ]

One thing we may need to think about also is modifying some of the homebrew so they interact in a logical fashion. Much of the homebrew has been made independent of each other. Thus, for example, the Ebon Phoenix Mage, Crusader of Death, and Holy Deathless one should likely have access to The Narrow Bridge as a discipline (possibly having to give up another discipline option at first level if they chose to do so). Similarly, Eldritch Blademaster and Eldritch Knight(Redux) maybe should have access to Solaris Arcanum. There are likely other examples of this sort where classes, PrCs and disciplines were made separately but the fluff strongly suggests certain options.

[DracoDei]

Several of the PrCs (including Assassin and Sublime Form Master) are missing their author listings in the Archive thread. Don't know why that is PARTICULARLY useful information to list with each one, but things started that way, so there was probably a good reason.

One thing we may need to think about also is modifying some of the homebrew so they interact in a logical fashion. Much of the homebrew has been made independent of each other. Thus, for example, the Ebon Phoenix Mage, Crusader of Death, and Holy Deathless one should likely have access to The Narrow Bridge as a discipline (possibly having to give up another discipline option at first level if they chose to do so). Similarly, Eldritch Blademaster and Eldritch Knight(Redux) maybe should have access to Solaris Arcanum. There are likely other examples of this sort where classes, PrCs and disciplines were made separately but the fluff strongly suggests certain options.

I was already planning to look through the base classes and PrCs and see which ones would be reasonable fits to allow them to substitute in Falling Anvil.

A daunting task, due to Krimm's prolifigacy, but it should be possible.

[elliott20]

I actually had it that way in the beginning just so I could remember who to PM, that was it.

[dspeyer]

Submitting my own PrCs for inclusions:

Student of Nine Claws (for monsters, especially dragons)
Shadowstalker (stealthy, shadow-hand)
Artmage (arcane)
Pragmatist (mundane and defensive). I'm still looking for a better name for this one, but the class is done.

elliott20: are you willing to be the central point that organizes everything? It's probably going to be a huge amount of work. If not, perhaps we should do the early organization on a wiki.

[elliott20]

While I don't mind doing the central organization, I know that these projects often work entirely off of momentum, and for someone who has a pretty tight schedule at the moment, my updating speed might not be quite satisfactory.

So, here's the question. If you guys feel that I'm still giving you satisfactory work speed, I can keep doing what I'm doing and just try to get it all together. If not, we can try to find another platform to do the organization so that we don't run out of steam.

At the moment, I have a bit of the material copied onto word docs that is not yet organized. My goal is to get all the material like disciplines and maneuvers organized in a fashion that would not be unlike the SRD, and with that, have the relationship chart we created earlier in there, as well as make sure the fluff all hangs together.

As Joshua and DracoDei pointed out, one of the big things to get it all integrated together is to start tying the disciplines in with the existing base classes and such. So that will be on the agenda as well.

[dspeyer]

So far I'd say you've been doing great. I looked at the scale of it and I'm worried you'll burn out, though. We're a lot bigger than the original ToB, and that had a team of about 30 (to be fair, half of those were artists).

Speaking of scale, how are we going to handle making homebrew schools available or not to homebrew classes? We've got about 50 schools and about 100 classes, and making 5000 separate decisions is somewhat dubious. I would suggest for each class listing the default schools it can access (usually all from ToB), but for schools establishing a rule about which classes can access it and how. For example, my own Knowing Heart school might be available as an alternate to any class with access to Shadow Hand and Setting Sun, and the school neglected to gain it must be neither of those. Does that sound workable to other school authors?

[elliott20]

So far I'd say you've been doing great. I looked at the scale of it and I'm worried you'll burn out, though. We're a lot bigger than the original ToB, and that had a team of about 30 (to be fair, half of those were artists).

Speaking of scale, how are we going to handle making homebrew schools available or not to homebrew classes? We've got about 50 schools and about 100 classes, and making 5000 separate decisions is somewhat dubious. I would suggest for each class listing the default schools it can access (usually all from ToB), but for schools establishing a rule about which classes can access it and how. For example, my own Knowing Heart school might be available as an alternate to any class with access to Shadow Hand and Setting Sun, and the school neglected to gain it must be neither of those. Does that sound workable to other school authors?

Well, at the moment, we have TD1's rule about adding new disciplines. basically, it's the whole 1000 xp, find a master who can teach you sort of deal. But also, you can start off with it by just replacing a discipline available to your class with the one you want.

Would we want to a system where replacing is far more restricting? well, I wouldn't mind, but at the moment, my gut instinct tells me something like this would generate a bit of work. (i.e. all the disciplines need to be charted to WHAT they can replace) While not a lot individually, that's still a lot when we factor in over 50 different disciplines and base classes.

I say we put this out in the open for the team to decide.

[DracoDei]

I don't think it makes sense for every class to have access to every discipline (even by substitution). Otherwise you might as well say "pick any X disciplines".
A lot of people took at least some of the homebrew disciplines into account when designing their homebrew classes and PrCs, which means that they probably rejected at least some of the others.

[elliott20]

well, the quick and dirty way of doing this would be to have everyone's discipline draw off of the base 9, and then have the disciplines themselves have a note on what they can replace. That's a quick and dirty way, but it's not quite there, I think.

If the authors are all willing to go back to their base classes, and physically fill in what they think they should get, fantastic. I think some of the base classes have already been written in this fashion, which is good.

[Eldan]

So far, I've used the easiest way in my games and just went "choose X schools which make sense for your character".
A suggestion, perhaps: group schools by "themes", such as "chaotic", "lawful", "dark magic", "fiendish" and so on, and restrict initiators to one or two themes?

[dspeyer]

It seems like we really need to characterize the schools. It's pretty overwhelming for one person, so I set up a google spreadsheet with all the schools. It should be world-editable. Please head on over and fill in a few. Especially please fill in your own, which is much faster and a little more accurate than other people filling in yours.

Feel free to add rows or columns as needed.

[DracoDei]

Have done a little work. Most of it was with Falling Anvil of course. Created a new sheet for those who are feeling ambitious. Just use Yes, No, and leave anything else blank probably. I realize that we may end up with more blanks than stuff filled in, but it can't hurt to try...

[dspeyer]

Ambitious indeed, though there are still the PrCs on top of that.

[DracoDei]

Ambitious indeed, though there are still the PrCs on top of that.

For MOST PrCs a default rule of "Everything you had at least one maneuver of before taking the first level of this PrC" MIGHT work reasonably well. Not sure, just throwing it out there... Perhaps excluding maneuvers gained via Martial Study?


EDIT: I have been editing merrily away at the original sheet, people should check their own disciplines to make sure I didn't make any mistakes, especially with the more subjective stuff.

[DracoDei]

Thanks to the efforts of various people, the objective parts of the table on the first page are now taken care of.

[JoshuaZ]

Thanks to the efforts of various people, the objective parts of the table on the first page are now taken care of.

Sorry, where's the table again? I don't see it on the first page.

[DracoDei]

The spreadsheet/tables in question are HERE.

EDIT: Trying to figure out where Falling Anvil might fit in with the homebrew base-classes.

MARTIAL SOUL: This is a PrC, not a base class, so I deleted it from the 2nd page of Spread-Sheet. It needs to be moved on the Archive thread.(unless it was merely mislinked and there are two classes by that name, one base, one Prestige).

Blade-Master: I keeping with the fact that Falling Anvil has always been around, and that these get very limited discipline access (so conflicting philosophies are unlikely), I am putting this down as "Yes".

Fire Dancer: In honor of Taz, I am putting this down as a "Yes"...

Marshal: They only get access to one discipline as listed... I am going to put them down for Scarlet Bravura, but not Falling Anvil.

Marital Warrior: First thought was "No", but then I remembered the existance of "Bobobo-Bo Bo-bobo", so I am changing it to "Yes".

Soul Disciple: Don't know enough about meld-shaping to be sure... if you could do Charlie Chaplain's hat as a meld, or maybe "Goofy Clown Shoes", then that might work...

Swashbuckler: Fence circles around your enemies, then laugh at them when they slip on a banana peel... sounds good to me... "Yes"

Warrior Poet: Spoony bards ahoy! "Yes"

Warlord: With the exception of a feat, nothing about Falling Anvil is helpful with leading others. OTOH Comedy is a social phenomenon, but I am still going to put this down as "No" for the moment.

Warmage: Well, they are supposed to get free choice, and Falling Anvil is pretty Supernatural, so "Yes".


Sidenote: To edit a cell, rather than overwrite it, double click the cell.

[dspeyer]

Here's a categorization of the disciplines. It still has an "other" category but it isn't huge. Thanks to everyone who filled in bits of the spreadsheet.

With this to look at, I start to wonder if a few disciplines should be merged. I should probably look at them more carefully before actually proposing it.

Mental State, Alignment or Aligned Plane

Name	Author	Concept	Skill	Weapons	Who Qualifies
Silver Crane	ErrantX	Good	Spot	longsword, longspear, scimitar, light pick, halberd, and two bladed sword	anyone, with help of a good outsider
Far Realm	Jack Mann	Madness, distortion of time and space	Knowledge (the planes)	armor spikes, blade boot, dire flail, flail, heavy flail, spiked chain, spiked gauntlet, spiked shield, and tentacle.
Ninefold Damnation	PairO' Dice	Nine Hells	Intimidate	glaive, whip, spiked chain, and claw
Infinite Torment	PairO' Dice	Abyss	Intimidate	longsword, whip, spiked chain, and claw
Dread Crown	Demented One	Mixed Fiends	Intimidate	bastard sword, battleaxe, claw, falchion, greatsword, and scythe	evil crusaders and warblades
Golden Saint	Demented One	Non-Lethal, anti-Evil	Diplomacy	dagger, longspear, longsword, sap, short sword, and unarmed strike	good crusaders and swordsages
Falling Anvil	DracoDei	Slapstick Comedy	Bluff	All improvised weapons*, bundle of dynamite, club, cannon (American Civil War era), catapult, cosh (one-handed version of the sap), great club, Maul (AKA Giant Mallet), spherical bomb, stick of dynamite, trebuchet (maybe?), sap, , and unarmed Strike	Non-Lawful Only, Must be capable of great silliness on the field of battle. See second sheet for which base classes DracoDei thinks could fit.
Quicksilver Aegis	Krimm	Law/Mechanus	Balance	greatmace, greatsword, heavy mace, longsword, and maul	Crusaders, Soul Disciples, and Swordsages of a lawful alignment
black heron	errantx	demonic possession, maximized damage	Intimidate	bastard sword, glaive, greataxe, greatsword, heavy mace, and warhammer	requirement: being possessed by a demonic force
Kaleidoscopic Dream	Demented One	Limbo/Chaos	Tumble	blade knuckles, falchion, gutter-sword, halberd, and scimitar	Crusaders, Soul Disciples, and Swordsages who appreciate chaos

Outside Power Source

Name	Author	Concept	Skill	Weapons	Who Qualifies
Bladed Thoughts	Yue Ryong	Psionics, boosting physical attacks	Autohypnosis	Soul Weapons	The Heart Shaper
Mental Grip	DaTedinator	Psionics, especially telekinesis	autohypnosis	Unarmed Strike, Dagger, Light Hammer, Sai, Handaxe, Scimitar.	psionic swordsages
Sleeping Goddess	The demented one	Strike at Mind, not Body. Psionics	Autohypnosis	bastard sword, quarterstaff, short sword, shortspear, and unarmed strike. Plus any created by one of its maneuvers.	Swordsages with a psionic power reserve
Narrow Bridge	JoshuaZ	Necromancy, balance between life and death	Knowledge (Religion)	bastard sword, battleaxe, greataxe, scythe, unarmed strike, and whip.
The Discipline of the Lost Lyrics	Kellus	Bardic	Perform (oratory) or Perform (sing)	rapier, longsword, longspear, and short sword
Solaris Arcanum	Golden Esque	Blend of sword and spells.	Spellcraft	dagger, longsword, the rapier, and the shortsword,	Can only learn if the character has access to at least some magical knowledge. For example, character can be a multiclass Sorcerer or have spell-like abilities.
Untamed Essence	Vox Clamantis	Enhance weapon with Ki, Defend against magic, travel magically	Spellcraft	((Needs to be defined))	Casting NOT required, but popular among spellswords and Jade Phoenix Mages
Witch Razor	pyrefiend	Blend of warlock techniques and swordplay	Spellcraft	shortsword, dagger, rapier, butterfly sword and sai	swordsages
Holy Word Discipline	Fax Celestis		Truespeak	librum, warbell, heavy warbell, quarterstaff, and heavy shield	Crusader

Energy Damage

Name	Author	Concept	Skill	Weapons	Who Qualifies
Frozen Zephyr / Acidic Fog / Shocking Sky	Krimm Blackleaf		Balance/Escape Artist/Intimidate	Same as Desert Wind?	Any with access to Desert Wind
Glacial Chill	I_got_this_name	cold, slow, debuffs, endurance	Survival	greataxe, battle axe, light and heavy pick, and warhammer	Swordsages and Warblades.
Placid Lake	Yue Ryong	slow movement, cold, debuffs	Move Silently	Unarmed Strike, Natural Weapons, Scimitars, Sickles, Scythes	Swordsages
Rending Scream	I_got_this_name	sonic damage and mental effects	Intimidate	claw, greataxe, maul unarmed Strike, shield bash, and slam	Warblades

Specific Weapon(s)

Name	Author	Concept	Skill	Weapons	Who Qualifies
Steel Mountain	Nero24200	Active Shield Use	balance	Heavy Shields, Small Shields, Shield Spikes	crusaders and warblades
Chthonic Serpent	DragoonWraith	Flexing Weapons, Constriction	Use Rope	Dire Flail, Flail, Flindbar(MM3), Heavy Flail, Kusari-Gama(DMG), Spiked Chain, Tentacle, and Whip	Swordsages and Warblades
Fool's Grip	Demented One	Improvised Weapons	Tumble	All Improvised	Infiltrators and Non-organized?
Mystic Cobra	Shyftir	Pole-arms	Balance	naginata (glaive), guisarme, halberd, ransuer, spear and long-spear	Sohei Adepts, Leap Dragoons, probably warblades, ???
Monkey Paw	playswithfire	Grappling	Escape Artist	unarmed strike, claw, scorpion claws, mancatcher and grapple	swordsages
Piercing Point	Frog Dragon	Spears	Balance	Spear, Longspear, Halberd, Ranseur, Guisarme, Glaive.	Warblades

Ranged

Name	Author	Concept	Skill	Weapons	Who Qualifies
Iron Rain	dspeyer (compiler)	Rapid Archery	Spot	Bows, Throwing Knives, Javelins	Crusaders and Warblades
Falcon's Eye	dspeyer (compiler)	Precision Archery	Search	Bows, Crossbows, Rays	Swordsages and Warblades
Nightingale Feather	dspeyer (compiler)	Mystic Archery	Spot	Bows, Slings, Shurukin	Swordsages
Black Rain	Demented One	Firearms	Spot	firearms, as well as the concussion blaster, death ray, firewand and wandgun
Falling Star	Fax	Deprecated archery	Spot	longbow, composite longbow, shortbow, composite shortbow, greatbow, and composite greatbow
True Arrow	I_got_this_name	Deprecated archery	Spot	light and heavy crossbow, longbow, shortbow, and javelin

Acquatic

Name	Author	Concept	Skill	Weapons	Who Qualifies
Falling Wave	I_got_this_name	Aquatic Combat	Swim	bite, claw, dagger, net, and trident	swordsages
Ocean Tempest	PairO' Dice	Move like a Wave	Swim	khopesh, the trident, the whip, the spiked chain, and the flail	Swordsages
Ocean Soul	Fax Celestis		Swim	harpoon, net, trident, and punching dagger	Swordsages

Speed

Name	Author	Concept	Skill	Weapons	Who Qualifies
Oncoming Storm	The demented one	blinding speed and masterful misdirection	Sleight of Hand	dagger, handaxe, light pick, rapier, sai, and shortsword	Swordsages and Warblades
Leaping Gale	I_got_this_name	speed and air	Jump	whip, spiked chain, longsword, longspear, spear, and shortspear	Swordsages
Gentle Breeze	Closet Skeleton	speed, air	listen	Katana, Scimitar, War-fan and unarmed strike	Swordsages and Warblades

Mounted

Name	Author	Concept	Skill	Weapons	Who Qualifies
Silver Pegasus	I_got_this_name	mounted	Ride	lance, longsword, heavy mace, and bastard sword	Warblades and Crusaders
Twin Spirit	demented one	Mounted Combat	Ride	lance, longsword, and scimitar	Crusaders and Swordsages

Poison

Name	Author	Concept	Skill	Weapons	Who Qualifies
Viper Fang	I_got_this_name	poison and precision	Heal	dagger, punching dagger, short sword, and rapier	swordsages
Black Lotus	Zakaroth	stealth, poison, trickery	Sleight of Hand	dagger (any type), ninja-to and short sword	Sublime Assassin

Very Supernatural

Name	Author	Concept	Skill	Weapons	Who Qualifies
Coin's Edge	Demented One	Luck	Profession (Gambler)	dagger, falchion, longsword, rapier, scimitar, and two-bladed sword	swordsage
Masked Moon	I_got_this_name	shapeshifting	Disguise	natural weapons, unarmed strike, punching dagger, spiked gauntlet, armor spikes, sickle, and handaxe	Swordsages and Warblades

Other

Name	Author	Concept	Skill	Weapons	Who Qualifies
Army of One	The demented one	fight against vastly greater numbers	Intimidate	battleaxe, dueling shield, glaive, greatsword, longsword, and spear	Crusaders and Warblades
Blood Sage	pyrefiend	precision damage and healing	heal	dagger, sickle, war-scalpel, kama	swordsages and warblade
Broken Blade	JoshuaZ	Beat other martial adepts	Martial Lore	Scimitar, Falchion, Rapier, Bastard Sword, Longsword, Short Sword, Unarmed Strike, Greatsword, Dagger. Additionally, if you know a maneuver from any discipline you may treat any weapon from that discipline that you are proficient in as being associated to the Broken Blade.	Crusader, Swordsage, Warblade, Masters of Nine, True Masters of Nine, ???
Dancing Leaf	The demented one	Counters and Defense	Escape Artist	longspear, longsword, quarterstaff, scythe, and whip.	Swordsages and Warblades
Knowing Heart	DSpeyer	Nonlethal Techniques	heal	sap, net, bolas, quarterstaff	swordsages (alternate rule: anyone with setting sun and shadow hand)
Scarlet Bravura	Demented One	Selfless Leadership	Perform (Oratory)	bastard sword, greatsword, lance, rapier, and spiked shield	Crusaders and Warblades who are Leaders
Scarlet Rose	Nero24200	Graceful Two-Weapon Fighting	Perform (Dance)	Dagger, Longsword, Quarterstaff, Rapier, Shortsword	Swordsages and Warblades
Way of the Gear	Imp_Fireball	Gears of War	Concentration	((Not defined))	Warblade and Crusader

Edit: moved Way of the Gear
Edit: added Bladed Thoughts and Monkey Paw
Edit: replaced igotthisname links with reposts

[DracoDei]

Not at all sure about your placement of "Gears of War".

Also "very supernatural" seems a bit of a weak catagory, but I guess it is better than making "Other" larger.

Also, while TRUE, and even probably USEFUL, I am not sure either way about those being useful for what we seem most concerned about here... to-wit: deciding which of the homebrew PrCs and Base Classes get access to which homebrew disciplines.

[dspeyer]

Oops, I skimmed to quickly and thought it was mechanus related. Looks like it links more to the video game. Not sure how well it fits into a pre-industrial world. I'll move it to other.

As for use, it doesn't really help with the PrC problem. I'd thought it would before I knew what we had. At least one false lead is eliminated. It also may be good for other things.

[DracoDei]

As for use, it doesn't really help with the PrC problem. I'd thought it would before I knew what we had. At least one false lead is eliminated. It also may be good for other things.

I would worry about base classes before we start thinking about PrCs. For one thing we have much fewer base classes than PrCs, and for another, they are more... well BASIC. The spreadsheet should be of some help for that, but you are right that the catagories you presented may prove only somewhat helpful, rather than the be-all and end-all.

[elliott20]

oh my god, you guys are awesome. I want to have both your babies... at the same time, so we can baby's mama drama.

on PrCs: if there is the case of a particular discipline being ESPECIALLY fitting for it, I think we can simply say that if the Initiator didn't have access to it before, he would have now. We can have that as an alternate mechanic, if necessary. But then we need to make sure that it's at most ONE discipline per PrC.

[DracoDei]

Not sure that "Only One" is necessarily a good idea.

[DragoonWraith]

Alternate Disciplines seems to work about as well for PrCs as Base Classes.

One thing I've been thinking about is that, once you get past, say, four disciplines, having access to more numbers of disciplines at the same number of maneuvers known is not really much of an advantage. When you're really limited in numbers of disciplines, like with the Crusader where at first level he has to choose 5 out of 6 possible maneuvers, it just doesn't really make a difference if you have 5 or 15 disciplines to choose from. So while the Alternate Discipline scheme can work pretty well, I'm not sure it's a bad thing to also just increase the number of disciplines that each class gets in general. It may somewhat improve the Crusader or PrCs like Jade Phoenix Mage that only get very few disciplines, but I don't think it would make a huge difference so long as the disciplines are relatively well balanced.

On which subject, Devoted Spirit is going to be a problem. It's simply better than the others. From within Tome of Battle, there are good reasons for that, since the Crusader sort of needs it, but once we start expanding things, it may become an issue. Of the homebrew ones... I've noticed that Scarlet Rose and Storm Soul both have several maneuvers that are strictly superior to others of the same level in the original 9. I haven't read most disciplines as thoroughly as I have these two, but I have actually played with Scarlet Rose and it is mechanically stronger than Tiger Claw, which it is an adaptation on, I think.

[JoshuaZ]

Alternate Disciplines seems to work about as well for PrCs as Base Classes.

One thing I've been thinking about is that, once you get past, say, four disciplines, having access to more numbers of disciplines at the same number of maneuvers known is not really much of an advantage. When you're really limited in numbers of disciplines, like with the Crusader where at first level he has to choose 5 out of 6 possible maneuvers, it just doesn't really make a difference if you have 5 or 15 disciplines to choose from. So while the Alternate Discipline scheme can work pretty well, I'm not sure it's a bad thing to also just increase the number of disciplines that each class gets in general. It may somewhat improve the Crusader or PrCs like Jade Phoenix Mage that only get very few disciplines, but I don't think it would make a huge difference so long as the disciplines are relatively well balanced.

On which subject, Devoted Spirit is going to be a problem. It's simply better than the others. From within Tome of Battle, there are good reasons for that, since the Crusader sort of needs it, but once we start expanding things, it may become an issue. Of the homebrew ones... I've noticed that Scarlet Rose and Storm Soul both have several maneuvers that are strictly superior to others of the same level in the original 9. I haven't read most disciplines as thoroughly as I have these two, but I have actually played with Scarlet Rose and it is mechanically stronger than Tiger Claw, which it is an adaptation on, I think.

Yeah, this is going to be a problem. Similarly, with most of the new disciplines floating around there's going to be close to zero incentive to ever take Desert Wind. There may be a general problem of power creep going on here. Of course, homebrewing rarely makes something that's less powerful than most of the official material, because where's the fun in that? A lot of this may just have to come down to DM discretion. This ties up with the problem of PrCs and disciplines being constructed without necessarily having input to each other. There was a proposal a bit earlier to try to break the various disciplines down by themes as a guide for which PrCs could take which. Another possiblity is just to ask each discipline author to go through the various PrCs and judge which seem to make sense that their disciplines should be alternates for. Some of the standard PrCs clearly shouldn't get any alternates (a Master of Nine for example should really have the original Nine given the fluff).

Also, while I'm commenting, pointer to two more PrCs that are directly inspired by this thread, in particular the fact that there are a hell of a lot of disciplines out there. Still need a fair bit of peaching before we decide if they are going to be incorporated.

Edit: Changed some points and added some on further thinking.

[Lord_Gareth]

Quick note - I know of no incentive to take Desert Wind, ever, even when playing ToB "core".

[elliott20]

hmm.... does Desert Wind actually need some boosting? err... of course, that is really beyond the scope of this project.

[Eldan]

Well, fire damage has always been the weakest kind. Even in the mid levels, there's so many resistances and immunities going around, that it doesn't really make sense. Therefore, yes, Desert Wind is weak, except for a few speed boosters it has, which I thought were useful.

[peacenlove]

Well, fire damage has always been the weakest kind. Even in the mid levels, there's so many resistances and immunities going around, that it doesn't really make sense. Therefore, yes, Desert Wind is weak, except for a few speed boosters it has, which I thought were useful.

Just tossing an idea: Why not design a feat that lets a martial adept bypass fire resistance just like the piercing fire feat for arcanists? Wouldn't have a clue bout prerequisites though.

[DracoDei]

A 5th level or higher Desert Wind maneuver that deals fire damage?

Also, fire damage is good for defeating Regen... although I am not sure how many things really have that.