Test of Spite [3.5.3]

[ShneekeyTheLost]

For the taking-damage-but-not-dying bit, Share Pain and similar effects can often be useful.

The only way to bypass SR that I know of that doesn't involve a) reducing the SR or b) boosting your CL checks is the Beguiler ability that lets you ignore SR if your target is flat-footed. I think that's the level 20 ability, though, so probably not helpful.

Reducing SR and boosting CL are valid options, assuming one can get high enough to pierce some of the SR's found on the board here...

[PhoenixRivers]

Assay Resistance can mitigate it. There's also SR: No, spells... I get the impression you're looking for something more involved than that though.

[ShneekeyTheLost]

Assay Resistance can mitigate it. There's also SR: No, spells... I get the impression you're looking for something more involved than that though.

I'm looking to combo it with psionic powers, really... trying to come up with an improvement of Shinji Ikari and plug some of the glaring weaknesses of the build

[PhoenixRivers]

I'm looking to combo it with psionic powers, really... trying to come up with an improvement of Shinji Ikari and plug some of the glaring weaknesses of the build

There are PR: No powers. Not many, but they exist.

[ShneekeyTheLost]

There are PR: No powers. Not many, but they exist.

Was trying to combo it with Empathic Transfer, Hostile, actually. Hence trying to find a way around Immunity to Mind-Affecting. Death Ward can protect against several of the more common forms of non-damage assault, although not all of them...

Basically, whatever you send my way, I throw back in your teeth. Turn him into the Wobuffet of the ToS.

[PhoenixRivers]

Was trying to combo it with Empathic Transfer, Hostile, actually. Hence trying to find a way around Immunity to Mind-Affecting. Death Ward can protect against several of the more common forms of non-damage assault, although not all of them...

Basically, whatever you send my way, I throw back in your teeth. Turn him into the Wobuffet of the ToS.

Hm. I typically use disjunction to handle immunity to mind affecting. Psionic Dispel's good at it too.

[ShneekeyTheLost]

Hm. I typically use disjunction to handle immunity to mind affecting. Psionic Dispel's good at it too.

How does Psionic/Magic Transparency work in ToS? Would Psionic Dispel work vs spells?

[PhoenixRivers]

How does Psionic/Magic Transparency work in ToS? Would Psionic Dispel work vs spells?

Yes. Psionic/Magic Transparency means dispels function vs spells and powers both.

[ShneekeyTheLost]

Yes. Psionic/Magic Transparency means dispels function vs spells and powers both.

Then I think I shall remake him as a Telepath, rather than as a PsiWar...

[PhoenixRivers]

Then I think I shall remake him as a Telepath, rather than as a PsiWar...

Hey, get him to ML 16, and your schism will be able to rock out with +20 to dispel checks.

[ShneekeyTheLost]

Hey, get him to ML 16, and your schism will be able to rock out with +20 to dispel checks.

Is there a Practiced Manifester feat? That should help offset the -6...

UMD for Bead of Karma shouldn't be all that difficult to come by...

[PhoenixRivers]

Is there a Practiced Manifester feat? That should help offset the -6...

UMD for Bead of Karma shouldn't be all that difficult to come by...

CompPsi for the first, and that + ML 12 will get your schism to full power on dispels. From there, upgrade to ML 13 (schism 11), overchannel (ML 15, Schism 13) and Karma bead (ML 19, Schism 17).

[ShneekeyTheLost]

CompPsi for the first, and that + ML 12 will get your schism to full power on dispels. From there, upgrade to ML 13 (schism 11), overchannel (ML 15, Schism 13) and Karma bead (ML 19, Schism 17).

And really no point to Talented, considering the whole point is for him to take damage...

So, we have the following comboed effects:

Shared Pain, Hostile
Empathic Feedback
Empathic Transfer, Hostile

Hit me, you take half. Then you get hurt. Then you get hurt again. Have a nice day.

A pair of Psionic Dispel effects, with +20 to the check, should be enough to get rid of any buff-based immunity to mind-affecting

[Doc Roc]

Never forget arcanist's gloves, from the MIC. If you use any L1 powers, they apply.

[PhoenixRivers]

And really no point to Talented, considering the whole point is for him to take damage...

So, we have the following comboed effects:

Shared Pain, Hostile
Empathic Feedback
Empathic Transfer, Hostile

Hit me, you take half. Then you get hurt. Then you get hurt again. Have a nice day.

A pair of Psionic Dispel effects, with +20 to the check, should be enough to get rid of any buff-based immunity to mind-affecting

In theory, yes. I've got a few characters that could shrug that off.

The ideal baseline for dispelling is Arcane mastery, so that you can take 10 on it, then boost the check as much as you can. I've gotten to +28 with minimal investment.

Also, my psion's a kineticist, not a telepath. Telepath's better at level 7-8, kineticist is better at level 13-14, imo.

[JeminiZero]

CompPsi for the first, and that + ML 12 will get your schism to full power on dispels. From there, upgrade to ML 13 (schism 11), overchannel (ML 15, Schism 13) and Karma bead (ML 19, Schism 17).

Does Karma bead apply to psionic powers? I know some people rule that CL affecting stuff do not apply to powers (either for good or ill). Hence a Mage Slayer can also be a psion without problems.

Edit: Wait, does that mean if I take overchannel as a Spellcaster, I can use that to boost my CL?

[PhoenixRivers]

Does Karma bead apply to psionic powers? I know some people rule that CL affecting stuff do not apply to powers (either for good or ill). Hence a Mage Slayer can also be a psion without problems.

Edit: Wait, does that mean if I take overchannel as a Spellcaster, I can use that to boost my CL?

Magic items and spells that could potentially affect psionics do. Karma bead is such an item.

PrC's don't fall into that category, nor do feats.

[Amphetryon]

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Double-checking here. Are the Dragonlance source books allowed for ToS? Ambient Tempest specifically

[theterran]

Is there a reason why Blackguard was left off of the Archivist list?

[Arakune]

Is there a reason why Blackguard was left off of the Archivist list?

Maybe early access (level wise) to some spells?

[PhoenixRivers]

Maybe early access (level wise) to some spells?

It's more on the lines of limiting the already prodigious power of archivist.

[theterran]

Alright...so no blackguard then...

[Moonlitdreams]

Anyone interested in an exhibition match against my caster? She's somewhere between Tier 2 and 3.

[PhoenixRivers]

I've got a wilder that I hope is tier 2, if you're interested.

[Moonlitdreams]

Sure, I'll try it. I'll link in the thread shortly.

Edit: Battle thread is here.

[Claudius Maximus]

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DLCS is the only Dragonlance book that's actually published by WotC. I don't think the others are allowed, since we're going with "All WotC books" followed by some specific bans.

[Amphetryon]

Thanks... and drat.

[JeminiZero]

Does Sanctum Spell still work for early qualifications around here?

[PhoenixRivers]

Does Sanctum Spell still work for early qualifications around here?

As far as I'm aware, it does qualify you for (casts level X spells), where X is one level higher than you can cast without Sanctum Spell.

[Doc Roc]

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DLCS is the only Dragonlance book that's actually published by WotC. I don't think the others are allowed, since we're going with "All WotC books" followed by some specific bans.

We have, traditionally, allowed the War Mage PrC, due to confusion re: the publishing heritage of its host book, but I think that we should go with CM here, as it is fundamentally more consistent.

Unfortunately, I believe this technically makes the Diablo II books legal.

Have fun!