Test of Spite [3.5.3]

[Ishcumbeebeeda]

I recommend the "Extra Spell" feat for Silence.

From there, use Practical Metamagic with Silent Spell for a +0 level modification, and Modify all spells with the silent feat.

After that, utilize effects which block LoS, effects which mitigate opponent's ability to attack/move, and the like.

I particularly like Ray of Dizziness.

I thought Practical Metamagic couldn't make it any lower than +1?

[PhoenixRivers]

I thought Practical Metamagic couldn't make it any lower than +1?

Then Arcane Thesis.

[Tinydwarfman]

Then Arcane Thesis.

For only 1 spell? I don't think this is going to work so well. I'd rather find a more offensive combo anyway.

[PhoenixRivers]

For only 1 spell? I don't think this is going to work so well. I'd rather find a more offensive combo anyway.

You're missing the point. If you need to, go with rods. For this metamagic effect, they're CHEAP. The point is to never let them see you casting. That lets them identify it, which lets them counter it.

Never let them counter you.

You can always find a way, if you hit the books and RESEARCH it.

Fog + Blindsight (the spell) will cover sight. After that, make your spells silent, and you're well covered there.

[theterran]

Do you have to be a straight wizard, or can you splash other base classes?

[Doc Roc]

Depending on interpretation, it may be possible for me to get you into dweomerkeeper without losing a caster level. And dweomerkeeper is bad-news. I don't think anyone regrets seeing it banned from ToS.

[Tinydwarfman]

You're missing the point. If you need to, go with rods. For this metamagic effect, they're CHEAP. The point is to never let them see you casting. That lets them identify it, which lets them counter it.

Never let them counter you.

You can always find a way, if you hit the books and RESEARCH it.

Fog + Blindsight (the spell) will cover sight. After that, make your spells silent, and you're well covered there.

Indeed, a meta-magic rod of silent is awesome, but I'd rather not invest any more than that into it. Are there any spells that are better for blindsight than, well, Blindsight? 30ft. is rather short.

Depending on interpretation, it may be possible for me to get you into dweomerkeeper without losing a caster level. And dweomerkeeper is bad-news. I don't think anyone regrets seeing it banned from ToS.

Meh, I'd rather use Iot7fV and incantatrix anyway. Free forcecage is nice, but I value defense slightly more. I would go for it if I didn't have to dip cleric for it. Do the spontaneous divination or any other ACFs let you qualify?

[PhoenixRivers]

Indeed, a meta-magic rod of silent is awesome, but I'd rather not invest any more than that into it. Are there any spells that are better for blindsight than, well, Blindsight? 30ft. is rather short.



Meh, I'd rather use Iot7fV and incantatrix anyway. Free forcecage is nice, but I value defense slightly more. I would go for it if I didn't have to dip cleric for it. Do the spontaneous divination or any other ACFs let you qualify?

Greater Blindsight?

Touchsight (available via tattoo)?

Mindsight (Available via feat)?

[Tinydwarfman]

Greater Blindsight?

Touchsight (available via tattoo)?

Mindsight (Available via feat)?

Unfortunately both blindsight and the greater version are both cleric spells.

How does the tattoo work (or better, what book is it from?)

I would love to get mindsight actually, if I can spare the dip. I could cut out master specialist entirely, and then get it before I went into incantatrix though...

[PhoenixRivers]

Unfortunately both blindsight and the greater version are both cleric spells.

How does the tattoo work (or better, what book is it from?)

I would love to get mindsight actually, if I can spare the dip. I could cut out master specialist entirely, and then get it before I went into incantatrix though...

Expanded Psionics Handbook (or SRD, Psionic Items).

If you can't get access to a cleric spell when you have no book restrictions, there be problems here.

Master Specialist is still awesome for level 3-5, unless you intend to cheese rainbow servant at level 2. Mindbender is good at level 6, though.

[Tinydwarfman]

Expanded Psionics Handbook (or SRD, Psionic Items).

If you can't get access to a cleric spell when you have no book restrictions, there be problems here.

Master Specialist is still awesome for level 3-5, unless you intend to cheese rainbow servant at level 2. Mindbender is good at level 6, though.

I'd rather not use some ridiculous arcane (no pun intended) methods to acquire cleric spells (and I'd like to have it on all day anyway), and master specialist 2 is actually worse than going to wizard 5, since I really need the feat. How can I enter MS at level 3 though? (Apart from Precious Apprentice, which is questionable by many)

[PhoenixRivers]

I'd rather not use some ridiculous arcane (no pun intended) methods to acquire cleric spells (and I'd like to have it on all day anyway), and master specialist 2 is actually worse than going to wizard 5, since I really need the feat. How can I enter MS at level 3 though? (Apart from Precious Apprentice, which is questionable by many)

Imm... Specialist Wizard, 5 ranks in class skills, and ability to cast level 2 spells?

Sanctum Spell is one way, if you want to do it with only 2 wizard levels. However, when I said enter at 3, I meant:

Wizard 3 / MS X.

Sanctum spell/Precocious Apprentice lets you do it with 2 wizard levels.

[Tinydwarfman]

Imm... Specialist Wizard, 5 ranks in class skills, and ability to cast level 2 spells?

Sanctum Spell is one way, if you want to do it with only 2 wizard levels. However, when I said enter at 3, I meant:

Wizard 3 / MS X.

Sanctum spell/Precocious Apprentice lets you do it with 2 wizard levels.

Of course! Sanctum Spell. Now the real question is is it worth it to spend a feat to gain an extra 2nd level spell known and skill focus (spellcraft)? I am using incantatrix, but hmm... when I could get something like arcane mastery for guaranteed dispelling (well almost)? I'm inclined to say no.

[PhoenixRivers]

Of course! Sanctum Spell. Now the real question is is it worth it to spend a feat to gain an extra 2nd level spell known and skill focus (spellcraft)? I am using incantatrix, but hmm... when I could get something like arcane mastery for guaranteed dispelling (well almost)? I'm inclined to say no.

Arcane Mastery + Dispelling Cord and MS Abjurer Will let your level 3 Dispel autodispel anything that's CL 16 or less.

Spellcaster's Bane (awesome swift spell) will nudge that up to CL 18. At that point, Greater Dispel will hit CL 21 and lower, which is just about any effect garnered by an item.

[Tinydwarfman]

Arcane Mastery + Dispelling Cord and MS Abjurer Will let your level 3 Dispel autodispel anything that's CL 16 or less.

Spellcaster's Bane (awesome swift spell) will nudge that up to CL 18. At that point, Greater Dispel will hit CL 21 and lower, which is just about any effect garnered by an item.

That's pretty much what I already had planned actually, (I played a specialized dispeller in an arena before with chain spell, it was hilarious.)

Unfortunately I won't be able to get the extra boost out of MS without sinking an extra level into it though. I'd rather have mindsight than an extra +2.

[Doc Roc]

Yes, I think with a little effort I can cheat you into dweomerkeeper without any cleric levels. Let me see.

Esteemed colleagues, what would you say constitutes the ability to cast divine spells?

[TheMadLinguist]

Yes, I think with a little effort I can cheat you into dweomerkeeper without any cleric levels. Let me see.

Esteemed colleagues, what would you say constitutes the ability to cast divine spells?

Having enough levels in a divine spellcasting class to get slots out of it, or that one dragon feat that gives you cantrips. Southern magician/alternative spell source don't work by the FAQ.

[Doc Roc]

Those two, I know do not work. So you would say that just the consistent ability to cast spells with a divine power source?

[JeminiZero]

I don't think anyone regrets seeing it banned from ToS.

Yes, I think with a little effort I can cheat you into dweomerkeeper without any cleric levels. Let me see.

Esteemed colleagues, what would you say constitutes the ability to cast divine spells?

IIRC the real problem with Dweomerkeeper is that Domain: Magic is listed as a requirement. Which can likely be intepreted as needing the full domain, not just access to the spells via arcane disciple.

[PhoenixRivers]

Those two, I know do not work. So you would say that just the consistent ability to cast spells with a divine power source?

I would say the consistent ability to cast spells that qualify as divine. The feature that grants divine casting should state that it allows the user to cast divine spells.

[TheMadLinguist]

Are you talking about imbue with spell ability?

[Doc Roc]

Well, without the ToS ban-list in place, there are a few admittedly eccentric options open. I'll think about it some, but imbue-with-spell-ability is certainly an excellent starting place.

[TheMadLinguist]

I suppose you could just play a sharn with wizard levels, but that kind of defeats the point, and the loss of nine wizard casting levels would be harsh.

[Olo Demonsbane]

Hey, I think several people here will be interested in this:

Fistbeard Beardfist and the Fountain of Unlikely Chance

[TheMadLinguist]

Hey, does mindsight pick up intelligent items in the Test of Spite arena?

[9mm]

Hey, I think several people here will be interested in this:

Fistbeard Beardfist and the Fountain of Unlikely Chance

... *Snerk* also, colorful epephets are colorful.

[Adumbration]

Looking for a fairly optimized caster and/or manifester to fight in an exhibition/test against my magekiller. I still need to decide how to spend WBL, and this should help with that.

[Olo Demonsbane]

Ad: Tier 2-1.5 or so? I think I've got one.

Shadowmind: Probably best not to post the links here. Use the sign up thing at the front page. Then you ask here for an exhibition.

[PhoenixRivers]

Looking for a fairly optimized caster and/or manifester to fight in an exhibition/test against my magekiller. I still need to decide how to spend WBL, and this should help with that.

I've got a caster/Manifester that qualifies as about tier 1.

[lvl 1 sharnian]

Sorry it's been a while..., school work's been killer.

Anyways, rolling up a new character,

DM only:

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