How powerful would a unarmed barbarian build be? (3.5)

[Gamerlord]

A friend of mine has challenged me to a 3.5 D&D duel, he claims that an unarmed barbarian would be extremely powerful, he has already made his character, a 13th level ogre barbarian, I am planning on playing on the one weakness of the build: a laughable will save. I will be a enchantment-specialized wizard, how difficult should I expect the duel to be? I will be a 15th level wizard.

[drengnikrafe]

Obligatory Wizard is always greater than Melee post. I think we usually have one of those.

[Mongoose87]

Maybe he used a few monk levels? Not that that would actually make it good, or be legal.

[Gamerlord]

Maybe he used a few monk levels? Not that that would actually make it good, or be legal.

Nope. Straight barbarian.

[jiriku]

He's assuming that you're going to allow him the opportunity to roll to hit. You're not, so you will win.

[Pharaoh's Fist]

A friend of mine has challenged me to a 3.5 D&D duel, he claims that an unarmed barbarian would be extremely powerful, he has already made his character, a 13th level ogre barbarian, I am planning on playing on the one weakness of the build: a laughable will save. I will be a enchantment-specialized wizard, how difficult should I expect the duel to be? I will be a 15th level wizard.

Grease + Will save spell. Also, use Superior Invisibility.

[Narazil]

Can he actually do anything against Fly/Alter Self/Overland Flight? If not, you've already won.

If he can, you'll need to find another spell or two, such as Invisibility, then you've already won.

You can't really lose this, no matter what cheese he pulls. You can probably beat him with a Wizard a lot lower than level 15.

[Gamerlord]

Can he actually do anything against Fly/Alter Self/Overland Flight? If not, you've already won.

If he can, you'll need to find another spell or two, such as Invisibility, then you've already won.

You can't really lose this, no matter what cheese he pulls. You can probably beat him with a Wizard a lot lower than level 15.

Didn't think of that, he has no defense against an air-based foe.

[Tehnar]

I'd say you are better hitting him with a reflex spell then a will one. In the group Im currently DMing, the 11th level barbarian has +17 on his will save while raging.

[Gamerlord]

I'd say you are better hitting him with a reflex spell then a will one. In the group Im currently DMing, the 11th level barbarian has +17 on his will save while raging.

This guy has a pathetic +4.

His saves:
Fort +12
Ref +5
Will +4

[NEO|Phyte]

Not quite an ogre, but I made an unarmed barbarian once for a game I was DMing. Never got to use him, but eh.

[Indon]

You don't really need to go that fancy, unless you know the guy to be an extremely effective optimiser, or you're opening up all sourcebooks or something.

First round of combat, cast Stoneskin. Barbarian runs up, has difficulty breaking your DR, let alone dealing damage. Each subsequent turn, take a five-foot-step back and blast the Barbarian with something. Say, metamagiced Scorching Ray.

You don't even really need to pump your Int, just have enough to cast your spells, pump Dex, and the Barbarian might not even be able to reliably hit.

[Mongoose87]

Where is this duel happening? If it's PbP, I totally want to see what he tries.

EDIT: He's not using Bear Warrior, is he?

[Flickerdart]

Sounds like he'd want to get some grappling going. Dimension Door and Abrupt Jaunt will be your friends.

[Narazil]

Wizard 8/Warlock 1/Commoner 6.

Spell list: Alter Self, Greater Invisibility.

Feats: Extend Spell

Cast Extended Alter Self, turn into something with wings. Cast Greater Invisibility, fly up 15', and shoot 1d6 Eldritch Blasts at the Barbarian.
What could possibly go wrong?

[Gamerlord]

Where is this duel happening? If it's PbP, I totally want to see what he tries.

EDIT: He's not using Bear Warrior, is he?

It is happening IRL.
He is not using any prestige classes.

[Gnaeus]

He could probably beat a monk. Not a wizard.

[jiriku]

Yeah, at 15th level, there are so many ways you could defeat a basic melee threat that we could make a multi-page thread just listing them all. The only important thing to keep in mind is that you do not permit him roll dice against you. Fly, greater invisibility, celerity, swift etherealness, contingency + dimension door, wall of stone, wall of iron, wall of ice, whatever. If he really presses you hard, greater mirror image, but it shouldn't come to that.

Honestly, I think you're going easy on him if you use enchantments. Those allow a save and can be blocked by a potion of protection from evil. My approach would be something like invisible spectral hand + maximized shivering touch + throw a warm blanket over the shivering wretch and call it a day.

[Pharaoh's Fist]

So, spells to prepare:

1. Superior Invis.
2. Fly
3. Grease, or other immobilizing spell such as Resilient Sphere
4 Will save or suck.
5. Dimension Door, or a lesser equivalent such as Dimension Hop.
6. Empowered Enervation
7. True Strike
8. Ray of Clumsiness
9. Prestidigitation

[Gamerlord]

He also has a pretty awful touch AC, a 16, but his flat-footed AC is a 30, standard is 31.

[Mongoose87]

Better idea: build a Jumplomancer and force him to love you.

[Narazil]

He also has a pretty awful touch AC, a 16, but his flat-footed AC is a 30, standard is 31.

It doesn't really matter. As long as he can't dispel magic, fly, have True Seeing or the likes, he's pretty much lost no matter what.

This isn't really a fair fight. At all.

[Gamerlord]

It doesn't really matter. As long as he can't dispel magic, fly, have True Seeing or the likes, he's pretty much lost no matter what.

He has none of those, so he is pretty much screwed.

[Narazil]

Does he have any sort of ranged attack? What's his jump mod?

[Flickerdart]

Make sure that you take Improved Initiative too, in addition to having a Contingency set up. Maybe a Hummingbird familiar if you don't want Abrupt Jaunt. Absolutely positively use Quicken Spell metamagic to crank out Fly as soon as you can, because he will probably insist on starting the duel unbuffed. You want to fly before you go invisible, because while Listen can be used to pinpoint an invisible creature, an unarmed Barbarian can't do jack against a flier. Maybe Jump, but that's where Abrupt Jaunt comes in handy.

[Gamerlord]

Does he have any sort of ranged attack? What's his jump mod?

He has no ranged attacks, but his jump mod is a +10.

[Flickerdart]

He has no ranged attacks, but his jump mod is a +10.

It's a DC32 Jump check to jump 8 feet up, which means he'll never be able to make it. As long as you're a good 30 feet or so up (accounting for reach) he won't be able to hurt you at all.

Edit: Do you have access to his character sheet or something?

[Narazil]

Any preparation time? If you can get just 1 round, you can pretty much beat him by level 4 without even trying.
Alter Self, get wings, fly up 30', start shooting Magic Missiles at him, maybe bring a bow or something.

[Gamerlord]

It's a DC32 Jump check to jump 8 feet up, which means he'll never be able to make it. As long as you're a good 30 feet or so up (accounting for reach) he won't be able to hurt you at all.

Edit: Do you have access to his character sheet or something?

Yeah, why? You wish to peruse it? He put it up on mythweavers.
Look to your hearts content.

[Narazil]

Yeah, why? You wish to peruse it? He put it up on mythweavers.

I think he's wondering why you know all his modifiers and stuff.
It's a lot easier to build a character when you know what the other is bringing: Ha, he doesn't have True Sight or See Invisibility? I'll just use Invisibility.