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Thread: PC problems and DM damage
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2010-05-31, 03:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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PC problems and DM damage
I'm in the mood to hear some gaming nightmare stories.
In the first game I ever DMed there was a guy who boosted his charisma so high that he some how ended up with a +8 bonus (with a spell buffing it, and he used merits and flaws that I was unaware of him using). Then he demanded he get to make a charisma check against the female theif, when he won he insisted that she fell in love with her and threw a fit when she refused to role play being his butt monkey.
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2010-05-31, 03:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-05-31, 03:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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pc or npc female?
Im pretty sure social skills don't work on pcs.
Second how much did he win by he didn't make her fanatic did he.
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2010-05-31, 03:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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+8... isn't that high...
This is my number one gaming nightmare story.
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2010-05-31, 03:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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sorry, it was a diplomacy (he had maxed it out). And it was a player, but he demanded that since he won the check that it should affect her regardless.
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2010-05-31, 03:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-05-31, 03:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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Personally id have a high level man come along with twinked out diplomacy come and do the exact same thing to him and then ask him are we sure we want to allow diplomacy checks on pcs?
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2010-05-31, 03:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-05-31, 03:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-05-31, 04:43 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-05-31, 04:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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There are other party members for when you need to tell the truth. Better yet, MS Persist Serene Visage and Glibness (+50 to Bluff) and make everyone think that your lies are the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
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2010-05-31, 04:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-05-31, 04:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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Yeah, that's a big problem with my group. Regardless of whether a Bluff or Intimidate check succeeds (Diplomacy does NOT work on PCs since there's no opposed roll, which is why Bluff and Intimidate do), depending on who the other character is, they'll try to metagame "Oh, I don't believe you. I still think you're lying" or "I'm not afraid of you, even though I failed the Intimidate check". A lot of players are hard-pressed to let their characters be fooled by a fellow PC.
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2010-05-31, 06:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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Does anyone else have a horror story?
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2010-05-31, 06:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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Well more a general pattern a number of years ago in my first gaming group we had a lot of problems with the world of darkness settings. In werewolf we always had one player who just declared himself alpha at the start of the game then said it was a time of war the entire game. As the leader he would just massively abuse his power telling the party we are doing this and hogging any benefits that can be hogged.
The other problem were the changeling games due to the way he was interpreting the rules the pretty race of fairies always took a magic item that let them mind control characters of lower rank with no save and since the pretty race had a higher starting rank that meant they regularly mind controlled the rest of the party to force them to due what they wanted and we wernt allowed to kill them in their sleep due to the nature of the setting.
As you can imagine this got quite frustrating. Of course its been roughly a decade give or take a few years so now i can think of things to do to avoid much of the problem but back i just had to take it.
edit i forget what the pretty race was calledLast edited by awa; 2010-05-31 at 06:34 PM.
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2010-05-31, 06:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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IBTL
In Before The Lankybugger
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2010-05-31, 06:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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The sidhe. And yeah, that's retarded.
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2010-05-31, 07:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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Mistake one. You approved a character you did not personally audit.
Then he demanded he get to make a charisma check against the female theif,
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2010-05-31, 07:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-05-31, 07:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-05-31, 07:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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Let the problem go, before you start the next session when you two are alone calmly and politely explain that he will be booted out if he keeps acting like a brat.
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2010-05-31, 07:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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Bluff and intimidate don't work that way against PCs in D&D.
My horror story? Typical DMPC situation. The party was arbitrarily escorting a Mary Sue who could shoot beams of fire from his hands endlessly and alluded to more power when asked about it. The PCs seemed to fail at every situation while the Mary Sue always knew what was going on and handled it perfectly. 'Nuff said.
I'm sure I've had worse, but I've blocked them out. More recently, a DM with whom I'd learned 3.x started up a new campaign in the same world our previous party had saved from inter-planar cataclysm. He's generally a good DM and friend, but when he instructed us on how to make our characters, I informed him of what combination I was using and asked him multiple times if certain combinations were okay (he said any wotc material and Dungeon/Dragon Mag were fair game). I submitted my character to him via email and asked him to look it over in person twice before the session. He insisted it was fine.
When my level 3 kobold warmage's warmage edge gained +7 damage to low-level spells, he was suddenly upset and made a scene that convinced the other players that I had somehow cheated. I pointed out that I had asked him to look over and approve my sheet multiple times. He remained sullen for the rest of the session.Last edited by Irreverent Fool; 2010-05-31 at 07:39 PM.
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2010-05-31, 10:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-05-31, 11:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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they don't.
if you want to know why, play a one-shot where it's allowed and see the godaweful mess it turns into when the high bluff/diplomacy/charisma types completely dominate other players.
if you want to bluff another player into doing something, well, he's sitting at the same table, off you go, bluff him.
it's called ROLEPLAYING!
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2010-06-01, 12:11 AM (ISO 8601)
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2010-06-01, 12:29 AM (ISO 8601)
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2010-06-01, 12:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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Been there, done that, broke the game and DM by seducing the plot-centric succubus mid battle.
On a related note, I'm sure most of you have read my "bad DM" story. Y'know, the one where he literally nuked my character after I lit mushrooms on fire because he got tired of dealing with me.Anemoia: Nostalgia for a time you've never known.
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2010-06-01, 07:11 AM (ISO 8601)
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Reference for Diplomacy...
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Originally Posted by Lycan_01
Seriously, though, LOLWUT?If a tree falls in the forest and the PCs aren't around to hear it... what do I roll to see how loud it is?
Is 3.5 a fried-egg, chili-chutney sandwich?
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2010-06-01, 12:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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The groups Druid decided to cast a spell in combat (He is a 'rage' Variant of a Druid so he mostly does melee 'IMMA BEAR' damage) for some reason. The spell is 'Call Lightning' and the Druid apparently didn't know what a '1 round casting time' was. He kept on arguing with me with how the bolt of lightning needed to strike 'Immediately after the spell was cast' which he thought was during his turn, but in reality was his NEXT turn. The whole party was trying to explain to him how this worked, but he was really stubborn and just continued to argue for about an hour. This basically broke the session that night, but I did manage to kill his character later that night. :D