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2010-06-16, 08:48 AM (ISO 8601)
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Powerful Conjuration Spell (Really need help)
A year ago in my characters first adventure, I made a villain with a powerful conjuration spell called "Basudra's Evil Twin" (This was AD&D)
We now Play Pathfinder and I want to bring Basudra back as the BBEG. I lost this spell and the players thought it was so great and wanted to have it.
Tell me what level you think it would be.
Basudra's Evil Twin
Will Save: Resists Temptation to attack twin
When cast upon a target an exact copy with all abilities, apears and the character will be mesmerized by his Evil Twin and will make a will save to resist not attacking it. Any Items with Good alignment will have an evil descriptor and if possible the evil version of the effect. If anyone wishes to attack the Evil twin or the Character there is a 50% Chance they will attack the wrong one. Who ever survives becomes that person whether it is the twin or not. If it is the twin who survives his new alignment is evil.
Also now that i don't have just one kind of spell caster type (Magic User) WHat is a good Spell Caster build for someone of around level 12?
Thanks guysLast edited by Aeromyre; 2010-06-16 at 08:56 AM.
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2010-06-16, 09:06 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Powerful Conjuration Spell (Really need help)
You're describing something that's very similar to simulacrum, but the creature you conjure is more powerful- it's got more hit points and it's potentially permanent and real (simulacrum is an illusion (shadow) spell). Another analogy is that you've created an evil clone. Simulacrum is 7th level and clone is 8th, so I'd put your spell as 8th.
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2010-06-16, 09:08 AM (ISO 8601)
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2010-06-16, 09:18 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Powerful Conjuration Spell (Really need help)
There is a 9th level spell called Ice Assassin (in Frostburn I guess), which creates exact copy (abilities, spells, probably not items) of a person out of ice, if you have a piece of the person. This copy is compelled to kill the original, but can be controlled by the caster of the Ice Assassin spell.
Your spell is at least as powerful IMO.In a war it doesn't matter who's right, only who's left.
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2010-06-16, 09:29 AM (ISO 8601)
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2010-06-16, 09:33 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Powerful Conjuration Spell (Really need help)
TBH, what with the whole "if the clone is the survivor, it becomes the real person" bit, I'd say you're looking at Epic magic.
Incidentally, why the bit about if you attack one, you've got a 50% chance to attack the wrong one? Yes, they look identical. But unless they're both out of sight for a bit, it's a fairly simple matter to simply keep track of which one's your friend.
Also, y'know, Detect Evil should tell you quite nicely.Last edited by Heliomance; 2010-06-16 at 09:38 AM.
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2010-06-16, 09:44 AM (ISO 8601)
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2010-06-16, 09:46 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Powerful Conjuration Spell (Really need help)
If you want a villain to have this as a one-off ability, let them have a Mirror Of Opposition.
If you include it as a spell, and put it within the reach of the players, you've pretty much broken your own game.
EDIT: Fringe benefit is that mirrors are pretty easy to smash, so even if the players get it they won't have it for long if they carry it around on adventures.Last edited by Lapak; 2010-06-16 at 09:46 AM.
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Re: Powerful Conjuration Spell (Really need help)
Um, maybe I'm missing something, but couldn't a party member cast Detect Evil to figure out which one to kill?
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2010-06-16, 07:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Powerful Conjuration Spell (Really need help)
Yes this was mentioned and I also said there would be nothing wrong with that
But only the character casting that spell, would know and the chances of him preparing it are slim
It also doesn't make or break the BBEG chances are they will attack the conjuror instead of the conjurationMe: "I am the all powerful force that holds the universe together, but at the same time i don't exist" Jeremy: "Oh so you're like God?" Me: "NO! I'm better than God...I'm the Dungeon Master"
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