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2010-07-07, 06:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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Resurrecting D&D 3.5
So I asked here: http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showt...92#post8871092 to make sure it’s okay, but please note the limitations. Anyway, do you think it could happen that another company bought / made a deal for the license to publish D&D 3.5 material?
I'm not an expert on economics, but I'm guessing there is only so much money you can make from something that is out of print, so WotC would not lose much. And there is certainly an already established customer base for 3.5 books. In addition to the standard customers for any RPG, you have:
1. Diehard 3.5 fans who never converted to 4E
2. The D&D fans who use both
3. People introduced to D&D 4ed and want to try out some of the more previous editions
Just look here: http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=155381 that’s quite a few people apparently still willing to pay for 3.5 source books.
Certainly there are some companies apart from WotC that have some experience making 3.5 sourcebooks, so we have all the ingredients. Do you think it could happen? As someone who uses 3.5, would you start buying 3.5 books again, or make do with those already published? What company would you like it to be?
Personally, I do not know enough about the possible companies to have a favourite, but I am sure I would continue to buy them. As for could it happen? No idea, but I can always hope."It doesn't matter how much you struggle or strive,
You'll never get out of life alive,
So please kill yourself and save this land,
And your last mission is to spread my command,"
Slightly adapted quote from X-Fusion, Please Kill Yourself
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2010-07-07, 06:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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Not going to happen. I really don't see it, to be honest.
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Doc Roc: We're going to eat ourselves.
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2010-07-07, 06:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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D&D 3.5 is a dead game in the way that Latin is a dead language.
(Please, re-read and consider what I said before leaping to conclusions.)1. Have fun. It's only a game.
2. The GM has the final say. Everyone else is just a guest.
3. The game is for the players. A proper host entertains one's guests.
4. Everyone is allowed an opinion. Some games are not as cool as they seem.
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2010-07-07, 06:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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All that I say applies only to myself. You author your own actions and choices. I cannot and will not be responsible for you, nor are you for me, regardless of situation or circumstance.
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2010-07-07, 06:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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What about Pathfinder? Is that related in any way to what you're talking about?
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2010-07-07, 06:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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It's been tried, trust me. WotC is a business primarily, and actively creating competition is not exactly a good business practice.
There are plenty of projects (including Pathfinder and my own d20 Rebirth) that are trying to do what they can with the OGL base and their own alterations, but really, I find myself wishing more and more that I could have access to three particular books in d20r.Last edited by Fax Celestis; 2010-07-07 at 07:01 PM.
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2010-07-07, 06:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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1. Have fun. It's only a game.
2. The GM has the final say. Everyone else is just a guest.
3. The game is for the players. A proper host entertains one's guests.
4. Everyone is allowed an opinion. Some games are not as cool as they seem.
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2010-07-07, 07:01 PM (ISO 8601)
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Don't see it happening. It's hard enough for a game company to maintain profitability. Any revenue gained by selling the rights to a third party would quickly be offset by loss of market share to that same company.
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2010-07-07, 07:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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To the nay sayers: firstly, I am not saying I disagree with you. If I had to guess yes or no, will it happen, I would say no. But, lets consider the specifics of such an agreement:
1. WotC is very unlikely to say "Give us X money and you can have D&D 3.5". A temporary liscence is far more likely. This would prevent such an agreement from haunting WotC profits for two long.
2. WotC could gain a percentage of the profits of each book. I'm still confident the new company could benefit from such a deal even with these reduced profits.
Finally, such a move could increase confidence in WotC. I do not know if they are of significant number, but I am sure there are some role players who do not want to invest too heavily in 4ed because they are worried it will be abandoned when 5ed comes out.
As I said, I'm no expert on economics, and I doubt this could happen, but I find it interesting to think about and I hope that somehow it does work out."It doesn't matter how much you struggle or strive,
You'll never get out of life alive,
So please kill yourself and save this land,
And your last mission is to spread my command,"
Slightly adapted quote from X-Fusion, Please Kill Yourself
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2010-07-07, 07:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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It's a nice pipe dream, but 5th being backwards compatible is more likely.
Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get me.
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2010-07-07, 07:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-07-07, 07:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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"It doesn't matter how much you struggle or strive,
You'll never get out of life alive,
So please kill yourself and save this land,
And your last mission is to spread my command,"
Slightly adapted quote from X-Fusion, Please Kill Yourself
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2010-07-07, 07:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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All that I say applies only to myself. You author your own actions and choices. I cannot and will not be responsible for you, nor are you for me, regardless of situation or circumstance.
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2010-07-07, 07:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-07-07, 07:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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Go out and find a legal PDF of a pre-4E D&D book. WotC would clearly make money off the licensing fees, so either there's a rational reason why they're not keen on it or there's an irrational reason they're not keen on it. Either way, the amount of money you'd need to change Hasbro's mind would be far more than you could ever hope to recoup from sales.
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I am one of those people lucky to play 3.5 and as much as I love it I dont see wizards allowing anybody to publish anything for it. They are really going all out on pushing 4th edition. All the investments they have put in it I dont see them allowing it to fail.
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2010-07-07, 07:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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The OGL covers people wanting to make anything related to 3.5 supplements. The main problem with WotC selling the actual rights to 3.5 is actually in the trademark. They will never sell the D&D trademark or lease it while they are making money on the name in the form of 4E or later versions.
For them to allow another company the chance to use the trademark, opens them up to some major potential problems. Such as the company reselling the trademark. I suppose they could try to create some sort of gaming franchise. But in the end, I don't see it working out very well.
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2010-07-07, 07:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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There's a reason Rich made this comic.
Chances to get a license or agreement with WotC to use any of their intellectual property are pretty much nil.
There is a ton of homebrewed/non-official material out there on the net, though. The only problem is that you need to decode what is appropriate/balanced for a game yourself.Last edited by Rothen; 2010-07-07 at 07:45 PM.
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2010-07-07, 08:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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I think after 5e WotC will handle the job themselves. Right now they want people to play 4e.
So you never have to interrupt a game to look up a rule again:
My 3.5e Rules Cheat Sheets: Normal, With Consolidated Skill System
TOGC's 3.5e Spell/etc Cards: rpgnow / drivethru rpg
Utilities: Magic Item Shop Generator (Req. MS Excel), Balanced Low Magic Item System
Printable Cardstock Dungeon Tiles and other terrain stuff (100 MB)
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2010-07-07, 08:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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"It doesn't matter how much you struggle or strive,
You'll never get out of life alive,
So please kill yourself and save this land,
And your last mission is to spread my command,"
Slightly adapted quote from X-Fusion, Please Kill Yourself
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2010-07-07, 08:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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If I were to have control (Just a pipe dream) Here's what I'd do.
1. Nerf casters a bit. Take out the more broken spells yadda yadda.
2. Replace the lower tier classes with homebrews (With permission from the creators of the homebrew's permission of course.)
3. Change the monster manual so that you can use the monters better as a player. (Anybody wanting to use monsters that you normally can't, I direct you Here)
4. Change a few of the rules* and emphasize the fact that these are all guidelines.
*alignment restrictions, All grafts automatically being evil, always X alignments, and clear up RAW.
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2010-07-07, 10:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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I was thinking old material like 2e pdfs but I may have been mistaken as I can't find such things. There is some random free material on the WotC website, but it's adventures and errata and such; things that were always free. Chances of new 3.5e material is slim to none. People can buy all the old material they want from used book sources.
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So you never have to interrupt a game to look up a rule again:
My 3.5e Rules Cheat Sheets: Normal, With Consolidated Skill System
TOGC's 3.5e Spell/etc Cards: rpgnow / drivethru rpg
Utilities: Magic Item Shop Generator (Req. MS Excel), Balanced Low Magic Item System
Printable Cardstock Dungeon Tiles and other terrain stuff (100 MB)
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The problem with this idea is that WotC has very little to gain by allowing companies to continue producing D&D 3.5 material. They don't care about 3.5 anymore now that they have 4e. If there's still new material for D&D 3.5, they think that less people will switch over to 4th Edition.
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2010-07-08, 07:57 AM (ISO 8601)
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I'm pretty sure WotC stopped selling PDF long ago, since it made pirating their product too easy.
Precisely that attitude has earned them the scorn of the gaming community, and they're not actually subduing the piracy of their products, since there's a pirated version of every book they ever published on internet.Common sense is not so common.
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2010-07-08, 08:31 AM (ISO 8601)
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Not to put too fine a point on it, but remember that WotC is now a part of Hasbro. For a major toy manufacturer and brand holder like Hasbro, ceding control of a brand is at the top of the “No Way In Hell” list of things to do. There are simply too many risks inherent in that. On top of that, you never, ever support an older version of a product you’re selling now…customer loyalty is one thing, good business is another. 4e is quite successful these days and while there is a die-hard crew that will never switch, WotC and Hasbro doesn’t NEED to care about that group and, I’m sorry to say…can’t afford to. Major companies like Hasbro were hit HARD during the recent economic difficulties in the U.S. and have neither the time nor the inclination to create a scenario in which the license another company to create a competing product that will not return 100% of the after-expenses profits to the core company.
From Hasbro’s point of view, 3.5 is an obsolete product that’s been updated to a newer, cooler, sleeker, more-friendly game. They don’t know why you would want the old one, and frankly, they don’t care."We speak for the dead. We are all they have when the wicked steal their voice. But we do not owe them our lives."
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