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    Default [3.5] Favorite stupid error?

    My favorite is that a pouch costs and weighs less with stuff in it than empty.
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    Default Re: [3.5] Favorite stupid error?

    Some of my favorites are
    • Heal by Drowning.
    • Monks aren't proficient with Unarmed Strikes
    • Buy a ladder, split into two 10' poles, profit.
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    'Adding up numbers' is completely independent of roleplay. What you're saying makes as much sense as "peeling a banana is not a good way to drive."


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    Default Re: [3.5] Favorite stupid error?

    Holy Water having a negative weight.

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    Sandshaper PrC ability lets create small object made out of sand a minute in the past. This is because the time it requires is relative the DC to create the object, and you can get a DC of negative 5.

    DM: The swarm of Kobolds charges at you.
    PC: Actually, I create a wall of sand 5 minutes ago that stops their charge.
    DM: Wait, what?

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    Default Re: [3.5] Favorite stupid error?

    How about the fact that in just about every splatbook, there is an example character that doesn't qualify for the PrC showcased? The big offender I can think of atm is the Greenstar Adept example is a bit short on BAB to have the build he has.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keld Denar View Post
    How about the fact that in just about every splatbook, there is an example character that doesn't qualify for the PrC showcased? The big offender I can think of atm is the Greenstar Adept example is a bit short on BAB to have the build he has.
    Complete Psionic has the sample for that storm-based PrC who is listed as CG. He's a Divine Mind serving St. Cuthbert.

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    Default Re: [3.5] Favorite stupid error?

    My favourite by far is crafting zero cost items with a free action. I like it because you can craft a club out of a table leg in the midst of a bar room brawl. Someone here brought it up and it's the best, most practical and reasonable rules fumble in D&D as far as I know.
    • Chameleon Base Class [3.5]/[PF]: A versatile, morphic class that mimics one basic party role (warrior, caster, sneak, etc) at a time. If you find yourself getting bored of any class you play too long, the Chameleon is for you!
    • Warlock Power Sources [3.5]: Making Hellfire Warlock part of the base class and providing other similar options for Warlocks whose powers don't come from devils.

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    Default Re: [3.5] Favorite stupid error?

    My new favorite is that "sleeping" in armor gives you penalties, but it is unclear whether "resting" counts as sleeping or that you suffer any penalties from failing to sleep.

    Ergo, everyone should just Rest in their armor and never sleep - no more nightime ambush worries!

    I also found an amusing PF Stupid Trick: at-will Create Water allows you to create 2 gal. / level which vanishes 1 day after it has been created. A 1st level Cleric can flood out a dungeon with something like 144K gallons of water and then wait a day for the dungeon to dry out.

    EDIT: FMArthur's example is also great
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Glyphstone View Post
    Holy Water having a negative weight.
    Wait, what?

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    My favourite by far is crafting zero cost items with a free action. I like it because you can craft a club out of a table leg in the midst of a bar room brawl. Someone here brought it up and it's the best, most practical and reasonable rules fumble in D&D as far as I know.
    That's pretty awesome, not going to lie.

    I'm a big fan of Sanctum Spell cheating squeezing in requirements two levels early for prestige classes and the like.
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    Seriously, can we kill this misconception now? A wizard is never late, nor is he early. He shops for precisely what he means to.


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    Default Re: [3.5] Favorite stupid error?

    A Vow of Poverty gives the subject a 'strong aura of good' but also makes him 'immune from any attempts to .. discern his alignment."

    Lots of outsiders have similar features.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thrice Dead Cat View Post
    Wait, what?
    An empty flask weighs 1.5 pounds.
    A flask of Holy Water weighs 1 pound.

    Thereforce, the holy water itself must weigh -0.5 lbs.

    A Vow of Poverty gives the subject a 'strong aura of good' but also makes him 'immune from any attempts to .. discern his alignment."

    Lots of outsiders have similar features.
    This isn't entirely useless - it does prevent people from knowing if you're Lawful or Chaotic.

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    Default Re: [3.5] Favorite stupid error?

    How about the fact that the Ruby Knight Vindicator is depicted with a giant symbol of St Cuthbert, even though the class is fluffed as being elite knights of WeeJas. I don't think the Stern Lady would be too keen on her followers masquerading, especially not as clerics of HIM.
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    Default Re: [3.5] Favorite stupid error?

    Shadow Magic being 20% or 30% real to anyone who passes the saving throw, but if you cheese it out enough it can become 120% real (or more).

    Elderly people getting better hearing and eyesight, because they get a wisdom bonus.

    Also, as Elan puts it, there are no rules for tummy aches.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keld Denar View Post
    How about the fact that the Ruby Knight Vindicator is depicted with a giant symbol of St Cuthbert, even though the class is fluffed as being elite knights of WeeJas. I don't think the Stern Lady would be too keen on her followers masquerading, especially not as clerics of HIM.
    You mean the hilt decoration that looks kind of vaguely sort of like St. Cuthbert's symbol?
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    Shadowsilk armour in ToM. Maximum armour bonus is +10, dex bonus is +2, speed failure chance is 15%, but 0% in shadowy darkness. Arcane check penalty of -1.
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    not technically an error just completely nonsensical their is a prestige class in frost burn that gives your punches ice damage its designed for barbarians (already not a great class) but in the fluff it mentions druid members who are particularly feared the problem being that the benefit only applies to punches not claws or bite so the class has absolutely no synergy with druid on top of not advancing any of the druids features

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Glyphstone View Post
    An empty flask weighs 1.5 pounds.
    A flask of Holy Water weighs 1 pound.

    Thereforce, the holy water itself must weigh -0.5 lbs.
    'cause flasks come in one size only.

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    Empty vials have weight. Potions weigh nothing. :D

    (Though actually, the empty flasks are probably something hand-sized. The DMG clearly describes potions as really tiny containers that are about the size of pill canisters.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Private-Prinny View Post
    You mean the hilt decoration that looks kind of vaguely sort of like St. Cuthbert's symbol?
    Also in the collar. [Edit]: And in the belt. And he has a really funky grip of the falchion. [/Edit]
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    not technically an error just completely nonsensical their is a prestige class in frost burn that gives your punches ice damage its designed for barbarians (already not a great class) but in the fluff it mentions druid members who are particularly feared the problem being that the benefit only applies to punches not claws or bite so the class has absolutely no synergy with druid on top of not advancing any of the druids features
    You can use Unarmed Strikes in wild shape. But yeah, most any PrCs for druids are flat out worse than continuing as a druid.

    Besides, barbarians are decent enough as a base for a build, and even a straight one is one of the sturdiest and most damage-dealing of (non-magic using) beatsticks.
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    Default Re: [3.5] Favorite stupid error?

    Don't forget that every flask of Holy Water contains five pounds of silver.

    Also, the Positive Energy Plane is one of the best places in the universe for undead. They gain the HP just like everyone else, but are immune to the explodification effect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Glyphstone View Post
    An empty flask weighs 1.5 pounds.
    A flask of Holy Water weighs 1 pound.
    Wouldn't you expect a holy flask to weigh less than one that wasn't full of holes?

    My favorite is the one in Complete Divine, on page XX.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greenish View Post
    Also in the collar. [Edit]: And in the belt. And he has a really funky grip of the falchion. [/Edit]
    I'm not sure we're looking at the same picture. I can't see a collar or belt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Claudius Maximus View Post
    Also, the Positive Energy Plane is one of the best places in the universe for undead. They gain the HP just like everyone else, but are immune to the explodification effect.
    ...What? I assumed there was a rule somewhere about bad things happening to undead in majorly positive-dominant planes, or something...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Private-Prinny View Post
    I'm not sure we're looking at the same picture. I can't see a collar or belt.
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    [Edit]: Most interestingly, he does worship St. Cuthbert, as his statblock reveals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by arrowhen View Post
    Wouldn't you expect a holy flask to weigh less than one that wasn't full of holes?

    My favorite is the one in Complete Divine, on page XX.
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    [Edit]: Most interestingly, he does worship St. Cuthbert, as his statblock reveals.
    Maybe I'm just missing it, then. Good catch on the statblock, though.
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    I like how the whole Burning Hate school of thought is based on a single caption that WotC was too lazy to change when they simultaneously made specific spells evil aligned with no apparent criteria.
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    Default Re: [3.5] Favorite stupid error?

    By far my favorite is that a standard action ranged attack provokes attacks of opportunity, but a full attack (without regard to type) doesn't provoke. So when you shoot just one arrow in some enemy's face you'll let your guard down, but when you shoot a lot of arrows in their face you're just peachy.

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    Default Re: [3.5] Favorite stupid error?

    The BoVD spell Flesh Ripper is basically impossible to cast, since it requires you to be both undead and an outsider. You can only have one type, so I don't even think some kind of templated undead fiend would count.

    On the subject of BoVD spells, the section on corrupt magic states that no corrupt spell has a material component or a permanent duration. The book features several that have these things.

    The ToB "errata" adds some very interesting things to the Firesnake maneuver.
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    Default Re: [3.5] Favorite stupid error?

    Warning: This post contains no examples of stupid errors.

    You know, a couple of months ago, while angry at some stupid rule of this exact nature, I considered starting a "101 stupid rules" thread, but then I thought that it wouldn't be very popular. And now I've completely forgotten the rule I was unhappy with. Damn.
    Rules that supersede Rule 0:

    Rule -1: You're all there to have fun. The GM and the players should never do anything that would limit people's fun, for any in-game or real-life reason.

    Rule -0.5 (corollary): That means that if someone's fun is getting in the way of other people's fun, that person needs to change how they're playing.

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