How would you Stat Yourself?

[imp_fireball]

This is a serious take on 'real life abstractly mimics D&D'.

Anyway, here's me.

[Thajocoth]

====== Created Using Wizards of the Coast D&D Character Builder ======
level 11
Human, Programmer, Video Game Programmer
Background: Occupation - Entertainer (+2 to History)

FINAL ABILITY SCORES
Str 11, Con 18, Dex 16, Int 11, Wis 20, Cha 9.

STARTING ABILITY SCORES
Str 10, Con 15, Dex 13, Int 10, Wis 17, Cha 8.


AC: 18 Fort: 21 Reflex: 21 Will: 22
HP: 18 Surges: 4 Surge Value: 4

TRAINED SKILLS
Perception +18, Endurance +14, Diplomacy +9

UNTRAINED SKILLS
Acrobatics +8, Arcana +5, Bluff +4, Dungeoneering +10, Heal +10, History +7, Insight +10, Intimidate +4, Nature +10, Religion +5, Stealth +8, Streetwise +4, Thievery +8, Athletics +5

FEATS
Human: Human Perseverance
Level 1: Combat Reflexes
Level 2: Steady Feet
Level 4: Armor Proficiency (Cloth)
Level 6: Skill Focus (Perception)
Level 8: Paragon Defenses
Level 10: Lightning Reflexes
Level 11: Fleet-Footed

POWERS

ITEMS
Cloth Armor (Basic Clothing)
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Programmer is a Wis/Int class. At Lvl 12 I select a specialization in my Paragon Path, and I'm nearly there. I'm gonna pick "Artificial Intelligence Video Game Programmer".

I have a tendency not to get sick, and tend to heal quickly, hence the Con, Endurance & Human Perserverence.

My senses are all exceptional hence the Perception and Focus: Perception.

I've got very good reflexes and can block a lot of poke attacks in a short time with them, hence the Lightning Reflexes and Dex.

My normal walking speed is faster than average, therefore Fleet-Footed & Steady Feet.

I do a lot of what I do based on intuition, rather than anything learned, combined with my senses = High Wis.

I have great luck, which I put as Paragon Defenses.

While I'm not very Charismatic, people and animals I meet offline tend to like me, so trained in Diplomacy, with about the same in Nature.

I have a lot of trouble lying or being intimidating or whatnot, hence the dumped Cha.

Only problem here: Insight should be MUCH lower.

[Peregrine]

Hmm, 3.5 stats for me... To save overthinking it, I'll just take a 25-point buy. (I was going to use the elite array for even less overthinking, but I need to make both Con and Cha substandard. *shrug* And my ego won't let me use the non-elite array and take a 13 Int. )

LG Human Expert 3
Class skills include multiple Knowledges
Str 10
Dex 11
Con 8
Int 17
Wis 14
Cha 9

What class(es) would I be if I were a PC in a D&D game? I'd like to think wizard (in fact, possibly a wizard/cleric/mystic theurge -- one of those "race/class" quiz things once gave me that), though I'd dream of being a paladin, but I'd much more likely be a factotum.

[Gralamin]

This is probably skewed to be a bit high, but hey, I'm pretty awesome.

PL1 22 Points
Str 8, Dex 8, Con 12, Int 16, Wis 14, Cha 10 (-2-2+2+6+4 = 10)
ATK +0 (Traded off both atk and defense for higher skill max )
DEF +0
Toughness +0
Will +2 (2 Points)
Fort +0
Ref +0
Skills (32 ranks, 8 points)
-Computers 8
-Concentration 5
-Knowledge (Technology) 8
-Knowledge (Physical Sciences) 5
-Knowledge (Popular Culture) 4
-Survival 2
Feat: Skill Mastery (1 point) - Computers, Knowledge (Technology), Concentration, Knowledge (Physical Sciences)
Powers: Quickness (Mental) 2. (1 point)

[Gavinfoxx]

Does D20 Modern have an NPC class system, or just heroic classes?

If so I'd be the D20 modern equivalent of an Expert I'd guess. I'm not sure I'd be a Smart... maybe a Smart with Savant? I'd have low Wisdom and very low Charisma and a few Flaws, due to the Autism Spectrum Disorder.

[Dracons]

Dream Scores: All 20.

Reality Scores:
Str: 11 (By player Handbook rules)
Dex: 14. Always had insane reflexes and can bend greatly, even with my horrid hip.
Con: 12. Rarely get sick. Fast Healer. Would be higher, but do get winded.
Int: 10 Eh. Average intelligence.
Wis: 15. Been told repeatedly that I have incredible senses, both in people and in the real world.
Cha: 12: I'm nice for the most part. People like me at times. Pretty ugly to look at. Low self esteem hurts me the most.

[imp_fireball]

Hmm, 3.5 stats for me... To save overthinking it, I'll just take a 25-point buy. (I was going to use the elite array for even less overthinking, but I need to make both Con and Cha substandard. *shrug* And my ego won't let me use the non-elite array and take a 13 Int. )

Human expert 3
Class skills include multiple Knowledges
Str 10
Dex 11
Con 8
Int 17
Wis 14
Cha 9

What class(es) would I be if I were a PC in a D&D game? I'd like to think wizard (in fact, possibly a wizard/cleric/mystic theurge -- one of those "race/class" quiz things once gave me that), though I'd dream of being a paladin, but I'd much more likely be a factotum.

As (I think) I already explained, this is a realistic assertation.

You can't be a level 11 wizard if you can't cast spells. Heck you can't even be a level 3 expert if a single dagger stab could mortally wound you.

That's why I'm a level 1 commoner.

Yes, the world is hard and PCs try very hard to become what they are - that's why they're dubbed heroes.

Cha: 12: I'm nice for the most part. People like me at times. Pretty ugly to look at. Low self esteem hurts me the most.

Attractiveness, self esteem and how nice you are are all personality traits - nothing to do with charisma.

Charisma is a supernatural trait. If you find that people seem to generally listen to you despite the way to assert yourself, then that could be higher charisma. If people think your mean when you are just trying to come off as confident - that could be low charisma. If you have great social instincts (as in, 'now it's getting awkward for the other person', 'this is a moment worth laughing at', 'I should behave this way to appear more human', 'I must behave this way to seem more interesting and not just stupid', etc.), that could reflect better charisma. Just examples.

[Wonton]

Have you ever heard that 92% of drivers think they're above average at driving? Unlike most statistics, that one's not made up. Just saying that it's really hard to stat yourself, cause you'd never make yourself below average in anything. Having said that, here's me very conservatively statting myself (otherwise I'd probably have a +3 boost in all stats):

Str 12 - Tall guy, actually spend some time at the gym.
Dex 12 - I want to put at least 15 here, but I'm only a little faster than most people, and my reflexes are good but not amazing.
Con 12 - I see a pattern. I have more endurance than most of my friends, but endurance might be tied to Strength too... I definitely don't get sick easily though.
Int 15 - 2nd-year Engineering, near the top of my class. Still not arrogant enough to put anything higher here.
Wis 8 - Memory and common sense sometimes fail me. Not great at understanding people's motivations.
Cha 13 - My personality is forceful, which is pretty much the definition of Charisma. Sometimes, it's too forceful though, so I'm not super amazing at convincing people.

Edit: Hey! I'm 25-point buy! Most of my characters are around 50-point buy, though... which shows just how superhuman most of them are.

[imp_fireball]

Just saying that it's really hard to stat yourself, cause you'd never make yourself below average in anything.

No, it's a thought experiment.

And mainly people tend to think they're good at something when they devote most of their time into it. Really, it's all a product of ego, which penetrates deeply into influencing human thought.

Having said that, here's me very conservatively statting myself (otherwise I'd probably have a +3 boost in all stats):

Ego perpetuates deeper than 'having or not having one'. Hence, what I'm saying is, ego could still cause you to think that your stats are reasonable even if they aren't despite the fact that you made all effort to make them reasonable (hence, ego has even greater influence when you think you did all you could to make something sound reasonable).

My personality is forceful, which is pretty much the definition of Charisma. Sometimes, it's too forceful though, so I'm not super amazing at convincing people.

Do people often listen to you though? Do they think you're cool or intelligent sounding, etc.?

People hardly ever listen to what I have to say unless they make a careful effort - hence my charisma is pretty damn low. Probably even a 6 or so. :P

Though when I enunciate my words, they do react more often.

[Malificus]

I'd stat myself as an level 1 expert with 10 in every stat. At best I'd give myself a 12 in Strength, and Con, and a 13 Int. But I feel awkward doing so.

I assume 10s until I have evidence otherwise.

[imp_fireball]

I assume 10s until I have evidence otherwise.

That's a good method - but then again, what makes you think you are skilled enough to warrant requiring expert to represent all of your skills?

I'm not sure I'd be a Smart

Smarts have way more skills than experts. -_-

Con: 12. Rarely get sick. Fast Healer. Would be higher, but do get winded.

I think Con could also reflect metabolism. So, do you build muscle quickly when exercising? Can you build up good cardio quickly, etc.

I'd have low Wisdom and very low Charisma and a few Flaws, due to the Autism Spectrum Disorder.

ASD could probably just be covered by one flaw. I mean, it can give great advantages to wisdom and intelligence sometimes (everyone is different though) and it only really disadvantages a few things in regards to adventuring.

Just some distinct social disadvantages - people find it harder to empathize with you, you have difficulty getting a point across, you might take a -4 penalty to social related skills (but not necessarily charisma) and guessing at what others are thinking (minor sense motive penalty).

Most of my characters are around 50-point buy, though

Why does your GM allow characters with max in three ability scores?

Heck, even one is pushing it.

For the record:

- 12 point buy = Average

- Up to 24 point buy = Exceptional
- 28 point buy and higher = Heroic
- 32 point buy = Distinct Heroic
- Anything above that is probably supernatural (I've never met any one in real life or even know any historical figures with scores above 32 point buy; heck my scores alone mean I could accomplish something very significant if I try hard enough)

[Rayzin]

Str-15 I spend a lot of time in the gym, 4 times a week. But i'm kinda short so i cant get that strong. But i can lift 140 above my head and bench 150+.
Dex-10(or 8) I run pretty fast, but i have a terrible sense of balance and flexibility.
Con- 12 or 13 I think i got sick like once this year. I injure myself a lot, but it heals decently fast. And although i don't run fast, i jog for 1.5 miles easily.
Int- 12 I'm no smart cookie, but i'm in IB courses and have skipped one grade.
Wisdom- 10 I'm ofter narrow minded, stubborn. I don't think i qualify in the slightest as wise or perceptive.
Cha- 11 My personality comes out as very strong(?) happy child, but sometimes as a very pessimistic glum one. I wouldn't say i'm much of an extrovert but i would be on that side of the scale.

I'd be a Strong Hero if i was a D20 modern character.
Or just a Fighter if i was a D&D character, or i'd want to be. I'd probably end up as a commoner.

[imp_fireball]

Str-15 I spend a lot of time in the gym, 4 times a week. But i'm kinda short so i cant get that strong. But i can lift 140 above my head and bench 150+.

150+ is average, no offense. If you can bench at least 200 that's probably 11-13.

Me, I bench roughly 200+ (I haven't touched upon 300), but I'm probably afraid to lift 100 or higher over my head. :P

And yes being short (or a midget) is a disadvantage. :P D&D is unforgiving.

I'm no smart cookie, but i'm in IB courses and have skipped one grade.

I'd say that anyone with average Int or higher can get straight As if they study like mad (as any 'ideal student' would really).

I've got a high Int, but my grades are fairly average since I've had a reputation of being very lazy. In fact, I don't think I've ever put much effort into schooling and I'm 21. I think I've kinda free loaded on my IQ. >_>

I'm ofter narrow minded, stubborn. I don't think i qualify in the slightest as wise or perceptive.

Anyone who has devoted a lot of their maturation stages towards self reflection probably has roughly average wisdom. Self reflection is a prerequisite to any amount of wisdom, so those who have never self reflected probably have like 4 wisdom at most (and those who only give it a little thought and then ignorantly reassure themselves may be the same way; or up to 6 Wis at most). :P

Con- 12 or 13 I think i got sick like once this year. I injure myself a lot, but it heals decently fast. And although i don't run fast, i jog for 1.5 miles easily.

That's probably average, I'd say. Humans were made for physical activity really. That's why we can gain weight quickly in our very soft and forgiving society.

I run pretty fast, but i have a terrible sense of balance and flexibility.

Explosiveness when running can just as easily be reflected by strength though. Also, anyone can learn to become flexible but I might take them longer to get coordinated or whatever.

I think of dexterity as the 'physical intelligence' that the best athletes tend to demonstrate - also bodily and spacial awareness (somewhat related to co-ordination).

If you have a lot of control over your own mind (wisdom), you can get this way through meditation and incorporation the ability to think ahead into regular physical activity.

Or just a Fighter if i was a D&D character, or i'd want to be. I'd probably end up as a commoner.

Yah, a fighter would be a major weapon enthusiast in the modern world. They'd know how to take apart many guns and put them back together. The smart ones would dive into military science and put studied tactical knowledge to use.

[Wonton]

Why does your GM allow characters with max in three ability scores?

Usually we roll three full sets of stats and then you choose any one set. For example, for my last character, this yielded 17/16/15/14/13/10. As you can see, no 18s. Rolling a random 50-point set is way less overpowered than just allowing 50-point buy (cause then, like you said, everyone's stats would be 18/18/18/10/8/8, which is absurd).

I'd also like to add this and this. 1st is long, with some annoying questions. 2nd is shorter, and stats better I think. For reference, 1st gave me 13/14/15/14/13/13 and 2nd gave 14/11/11/15/15/11. Either both overestimate Wisdom, or I underestimate my Wisdom.

Str-15 I spend a lot of time in the gym, 4 times a week. But i'm kinda short so i cant get that strong. But i can lift 140 above my head and bench 150+.

Lol no offense but I can bench 170 and I put my Strength as 12.

Charisma is a supernatural trait.

I don't entirely agree with that. Course, this is where the pure separation of D&D stats starts to break down. If I think really hard, instead of just "winging it", I can usually figure out what a person's motivations are and come up with a more appropriate response.

[Peregrine]

As (I think) I already explained, this is a realistic assertation.

Well, you didn't; you used words like "serious" and "abstractly". But fine, then I'm a level 1 Pedant, and by the way, it's "assertion".

Heck you can't even be a level 3 expert if a single dagger stab could mortally wound you.

Okay, let's not get into the whole possible melange of "what HP represent"/"what do levels represent"/"why are really good bakers and lawyers hard to kill" questions, and just ask, why are you even using D&D stats (any edition) for this?

I put myself as a level 3 expert because (a) I have enough skills and life experience to figure I would definitely be at least second level, and I decided to be generous, and (b) I have certain assumptions and guidelines on how I, personally, interpret the level system, and the question was how would I stat myself?

Attractiveness, self esteem and how nice you are are all personality traits - nothing to do with charisma.

Charisma is a supernatural trait.

This... would take a whole other thread to sort out.

[imp_fireball]

If I think really hard, instead of just "winging it", I can usually figure out what a person's motivations are and come up with a more appropriate response.

That's why charisma is more than just winging it or thinking really hard.

Well, you didn't; you used word like "serious"

Serious means you should take this seriously and not say 'I'm a wizard because I wanna be'.

[Mikeavelli]

Lol no offense but I can bench 170 and I put my Strength as 12.

Everyone hail the carrying capacity tables which lets you know exactly what your strength score is.

The qualifier is being able to lift the max weight in the table over your head, I wouldn't go by Bench Press, but rather the Clean and Jerk, which tends to be a bit lower of a number for most people.

[Gavinfoxx]

I'm still curious -- Does D20 Modern have non heroic classes? Cause I'm no hero...

[Morph Bark]

Ha! My friends and I were actually talking about this last night, including alignments of our past teachers and the classes of our friends. They agreed easily on what classes they would be, but none of them could really figure me out, though they agreed that Int was likely my highest stat and that I had 1 rank in a bunch of Knowledge skills - plus they agreed on my Flaws. From this I concluded that if I were to have levels in a PC class, it's likely Factotum, though of course Expert is more likely.

For added realism and not trying to boast, I'm going to go with point buy (28) here.

Str 11, Dex 13, Con 12, Int 16, Wis 9, Cha 13

Level 1 Factotum

Nearsighted Flaw corrected by glasses
Absent-minded Flaw (never corrected)

0 ranks in Use Technological Device (can be used untrained and usually require help), Listen (and possibly Search and Spot as well), and Drive (still learning)
1 rank in Knowledge (arcana (=physics), nature, religion, history, geography, local, psionics (=psychology), the planes (=outer space))
At least 2 ranks in Swim, Climb, Hide and Gather Information (last one possibly maxed out)
Maxed out Bluff

Feats? No idea. Adept Learner perhaps, but of a kind that also makes you lose the ranks easily again if you don't use the skill every 6 days, after which you can slowly regain them or put them in another skill in which you have at least 1 point.

Other than that, I don't know.


EDIT: Also, Chaotic Neutral. Also, while talking to my friends I had a big reaction like "wait a minute, I think we're calling our friends Good and our teachers Evil an awful lot..." () But I'm pretty sure I fall in the Chaotic Neutral territory.

[Malificus]

That's a good method - but then again, what makes you think you are skilled enough to warrant requiring expert to represent all of your skills?

I've finished college. I therefor have more training than a D&D commoner.

[Morph Bark]

I've finished college. I therefor have more training than a D&D commoner.

A DnD Commoner is moreso a medieval/renaissance farmer anyway. Craftsmen are already Commoners of sorts. These days in the more developed countries that have lots of education, I actually doubt there are a lot of Commoners (though I'm damn sure my grandpa could have the Chicken Infested flaw, cuz maaaaannn...).

[Spiryt]

I've finished college. I therefor have more training than a D&D commoner.

You have more training in whatever you were learning in college.

I doubt that you have more training in agricultural works, or whatever your 'commoner' is doing.

But then again, D&D is anyway completely sucky at describing real people.

[Lord Raziere]

I'd say....

Str: 8
Con: 10
Dex: 11-12
Wis: 14/16/18
Cha:16/18
Int: 14/16/18

not really sure, but I am primarily mental stat based. I'd probably be a Psion.

[Kurald Galain]

I'm Level 8 Geek. My powers are:

• At will: Recite Generic Trivia
• At will: Sarcastic Remark
• Encounter: Craft Forum Post
• Encounter: Cunning Strategy
• Encounter: Recite Obscure Trivia
• Daily: Craft Computer Program
• Daily: Read Entire Book
• Utility: Internet Search
• Utility: Remember Song Lyrics

[Tyger]

Everyone hail the carrying capacity tables which lets you know exactly what your strength score is.

The qualifier is being able to lift the max weight in the table over your head, I wouldn't go by Bench Press, but rather the Clean and Jerk, which tends to be a bit lower of a number for most people.

The problem with using these tables (and any D&D stat system attempting to reflect reality) is that they are horribly skewed. The current world record for clean and jerk is 580 pounds. Which requires a strength of 23. In D&D terms, assuming no magic and human race, that means the world record holder is a level 18 minimum character. Which we know he isn't. :)

As for my stats, based on the tables available:

Level 2 Expert - Two degrees (one post secondary) and 10 years of professional expertise and experience, while being recognized as an expert in my field by my peers and colleagues.

STR: 14 (I c&j 145 pounds, though I don't think this is accurate at all, as I am below average in strength)

DEX: 10 (I don't fall over much :) but I also don't have any acrobatic ability)

CON: 10 (I don't get too sick when others do, and can run - not flat out though - for 30 minutes without passing out. I cycle 100 kms per week as well)

INT: 14 (two degrees without studying at all)

WIS: 10 (I make dumb ass decisions all the time, and have made some poor life choices in my time. That said, I am quite perceptive, so I think it balances out)

CHA: 14 (When I propose a plan, people follow it. Every job I have had (until I started my current one), I ended up as a supervisor or manager within weeks of starting, and I have always gotten the girl when I tried.)

And I would be willing to bet those are grossly over-inflated.

[Tetsubo 57]

2nd level Expert
Str: 8, Dex: 8, Con: 8, Int: 12, Wis: 12, Cha: 8

[Frozen_Feet]

The problem with using these tables (and any D&D stat system attempting to reflect reality) is that they are horribly skewed. The current world record for clean and jerk is 580 pounds. Which requires a strength of 23. In D&D terms, assuming no magic and human race, that means the world record holder is a level 18 minimum character. Which we know he isn't. :)

Beeep! Wrong! Your discounting all effects equipment, skills, feats and diet could have. We can safely say many high-level bodybuilders effectively benefit from effect Potion of Bull's Strenght, so they'd have, what, d4+1 Str on top of their natural strenght? So a natural 18 would be enough to reach that score. Natural 17 even, as that record holder could easily count as level 4 character in D&D, and thus have raised his strenght once. We might not have magic, but we do have variety of things allowing humans to push their normal limits. A bodybuilder could be anywhere between level 1 and 4.

It doesn't matter if the 3 - 18 range of ability scores isn't be-all-end-all of RL human ability. In both D&D and real life, people are more than just their raw core abilities. Even at level 1, skillpoints can outweigh meaning of an ability score. That the tables are skewed doesn't matter either - if they still give a benchmark to which compare a RL human, we can still stat out that person. Whether 3d6 dice roll accurately reflects distribution of ability among RL populace is irrelevant.

[Tyger]

Beeep! Wrong! Your discounting all effects equipment, skills, feats and diet could have. We can safely say many high-level bodybuilders effectively benefit from effect Potion of Bull's Strenght, so they'd have, what, d4+1 Str on top of their natural strenght? So a natural 18 would be enough to reach that score. Natural 17 even, as that record holder could easily count as level 4 character in D&D, and thus have raised his strenght once. We might not have magic, but we do have variety of things allowing humans to push their normal limits. A bodybuilder could be anywhere between level 1 and 4.

Except there is no magic in the real world. The guy who set the record is a human, on this planet. There are no "potions of bull's strength" here. So that logic is flawed.

One could argue that he has a high protein diet, etc, etc, but those have no game mechanics - which demonstrates that the D&D stat system doesn't work for reality. Big surprise there.

And if he was level 4, he could have a 19 strength. That's the human maximum there. 18 to start, +1 at level 4. 19 total. Maximum lift is 350 pounds. Not even close to what a "normal" albeit exceptional human has done in reality. So no, he's either level 18, or the tables don't work. We all know which one makes more sense there.

[Tengu_temp]

• Utility: Internet Search
• Utility: Remember Song Lyrics

Are those daily, encounter or at-will powers?

[heymejack]

here's me:

str10 (i'd say i'm stronger than half the people, but weaker than the other half)
dex11 (really, i think this should be higher, but the other ones that are higher would then have to be pushed up to 16's, and i'm no superhero.
con13 (woke up during surgery and watched (deliriously), always need higher dosage for meds..
int10 (this was higher before college, but good times were had)
wis12 (generally pretty zen, but i can be a little hotheaded when i strongly disagree with something)
cha14 (see rest of post)

Attractiveness, self esteem and how nice you are are all personality traits - nothing to do with charisma.

how attractive you are and whether or not you're personable don't have anything to do with charisma? seems to me these are the main factors in charisma. if you walk up to someone smiling a big happy smile, they are more likely to warm up to you. if your big happy smile is in the middle of an pretty face, even better

Charisma is a supernatural trait. If you find that people seem to generally listen to you despite the way to assert yourself, then that could be higher charisma.

charisma is SUPERNATURAL? are you being sarcastic? is strength? is intelligence? charisma is a natural thing that every single human being has, and if you're really, really good looking, or a huge A**hole, then yes, this has everything to do with your charisma score. not (and i'm paraphrasing here) 'whether or not people listen to what you say for no apparent reason.'


**full disclosure: i wait tables for a living. and i'm very good. not necessarily super-handsome (though, not bad), but i'm very good with people. don't talk crap about charisma :)