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2010-09-24, 08:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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Seduction, Blackmail, and Taking over the World
Ok here be the shtick...Going to be playing in an evil game and it's going to kinda on the high power side. The other player have the brute squad side of things covered so I thought to do a charisma based caster. Our goal is to take over the world.
My fluff goes like so: while my 'teammates' prepare to assault from without I am the cancer that rots from within. My tools are seduction, blackmail, whispers of vary good sounding bad ideas into the right ears, and anything else that weakens the resolve of the populations leaders.
I've been looking long and hard at the Thrall of Malcanthet class(in Dragon Mag but I don't have in front of me right now and don't know the numberOk thats Drag Mag 353 page 29-31). However the heavy skill requirements for the class Bluff 9, Dip 9 Perform 5 X2 would make it hard to go sorcerer and I don't really want to go with bard and lose full casting. I've thought about doing a Bard 8, Mind bender 1, Thrall 1, Sublime Cord 1, Thrall 9 (not exactly in that order but you get the idea) but I thought I'd see if anyone could toss me a better idea or two.
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2010-09-24, 08:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Seduction, Blackmail, and Taking over the World
Savage Bard going into Ur-Priest, perhaps? (EDIT: Oh, Charisma-based.)
How much dairy product are you looking for, here?Last edited by Alleran; 2010-09-24 at 08:44 PM.
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2010-09-24, 09:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-09-25, 01:13 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Seduction, Blackmail, and Taking over the World
I forget the feats name but is there not one that makes all skills class skills as long as you are a human or shifter? I think its Adept Mind or some such, i dont have my books on me right now but that might be a viable option.
Edit: I know i have seen it in a few warlock builds
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2010-09-25, 04:03 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Seduction, Blackmail, and Taking over the World
I can't recall the feat's name also, buit it's in Races of Destiny, and that's not EXACTLY what it does. It just makes you pay for cross-class skills as if they were class skills (i.e., one skill rank per skill point). The cross-class rank cap remains, so it's not what you're looking for - you'd still need lvl15 for the Bluff ranks
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2010-09-25, 04:18 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Seduction, Blackmail, and Taking over the World
All bards but for Savage are Cha.
The feat is Able Learner.
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2010-09-25, 10:32 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Seduction, Blackmail, and Taking over the World
Interesting feat and I might be able to work something with it but what I more hoping to find was a full casting class or low entry prestige class that has them as class skills. Feel free to make any suggestion as all books are in play splat books, BoVD, and even the b.....the boo.....the book of..*hack choke gag hawk*.....E...Erotic fantasy *spits* never though I'd ever have a reason to actually look at that stupid porn rag....But that just shows you everything is in play and I mean everything.
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2010-09-25, 10:42 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Seduction, Blackmail, and Taking over the World
PHB2 Beguiler? That sounds right up your alley.
Otherwise, Able Learner plus a one level dip in something with Diplomacy (and ideally Perform) on its skill list? Able Learner gets you the in-class rate for all skills, while any levels of any class will unlock the higher cap for all skills it has as class skills.
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2010-09-25, 01:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Seduction, Blackmail, and Taking over the World
BoEF has the Imagist. Ask your DM to house rule it casting from Cha. This does have te disadvantage of you needing to be non-evil, but if you fluff your character the right way and make their motives odd, you can probably skip past that. It has all four skills as in class skills.
Another class that VERY heavily plays on your idea is Rake, which basically seduces people into giving her what she wants (using the female pronoun the book uses). I'd say going rogue in that case is a good idea, though Bard is pretty good too. Bard may be better, actually, with its charm spells. Beguiler is Int based, so... Yeah.
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2010-09-25, 02:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Seduction, Blackmail, and Taking over the World
You pretty much described one of those fiend Prestige Classes in the back of the Fiend Folio. I forget the name of it, and have no idea whether it is actually any good, but it might be worth a look.
Game systems I play: DnD 3.5, Pathfinder, Star Wars Saga, Vampire: The Masquerade, Dungeons: The Dragoning, AFBME, Atomic Highway, Dark Heresy, Legend of the 5 Rings 4E, MAID and... EQRPG... Does anyone actually play that?
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2010-09-25, 02:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Seduction, Blackmail, and Taking over the World
That would be Fiend of Corruption. Boren wouldn't qualify unless the character is an evil outsider.
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2010-09-25, 03:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Seduction, Blackmail, and Taking over the World
Yes, though since it's an Evil Campaign, and Boren needs to take a race of at least +1 LA, I figured it might be possible to.
Game systems I play: DnD 3.5, Pathfinder, Star Wars Saga, Vampire: The Masquerade, Dungeons: The Dragoning, AFBME, Atomic Highway, Dark Heresy, Legend of the 5 Rings 4E, MAID and... EQRPG... Does anyone actually play that?
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2010-09-25, 03:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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Tiefling. If homebrew is allowed, there's a Succubus-based Tieling in Krimm's Nations Of The Dead.
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2010-09-25, 03:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Seduction, Blackmail, and Taking over the World
Maybe Bard 6 / Lyric Thaumaturge 4 / Sublime chord 2 before Thrall.
A Beguiler with a high Cha also.Que tous les anciens dieux et les nouveaux protègent la France.
Resistance Data in MM, Volo's, MToF. -- -- Petrocorus's 3.5 Paladin Builds List. -- -- French vs. EnglishOriginally Posted by King Louis XIII in The Musketeers
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2010-09-25, 05:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Seduction, Blackmail, and Taking over the World
Iron Chef 9. Sway. Yuan-Ti Bard/Snakelord/Soul Eater/Cloaked Dancer...
Should be on page 4 or 5 of that thread. A more high powered option would be to use less Snakelord and more CD and SE.Last edited by WinWin; 2010-09-25 at 05:38 PM.
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2010-09-25, 08:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Seduction, Blackmail, and Taking over the World
As it just so happens I was planning to use the LA1 Allurin so I just might be able to nab one of the FF classes thanks for the reminder on them I'll take a look.
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2010-09-25, 11:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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Que tous les anciens dieux et les nouveaux protègent la France.
Resistance Data in MM, Volo's, MToF. -- -- Petrocorus's 3.5 Paladin Builds List. -- -- French vs. EnglishOriginally Posted by King Louis XIII in The Musketeers
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2010-09-25, 11:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Seduction, Blackmail, and Taking over the World
I think they are 100% home-brewed if one of the better ones I've seen. A lot of the home-brew stuff I find is ether over ranked (too high an adjustment for what you get) or more often way under ranked (wow +6 to three stats for just a LA 1?) and while I think the Allurin leans slightly to the under ranked side a good DM can do all kinds of things with the Allurins weaknesses. That and they are the ultimate paly frag over...picture if you will:
Level 10 human paly walking down the road level 2 Allurin cleric of palor walking the other way paly has detect evil up cuz well he can looks at the cleric and *ding* evil-dar just went off.
Halt you what are you doing masquerading in the holy robes of palor you vile fiend?
Excuse me good knight?
You heard me thing of evil tell me now what plot you hatch out here.
I think your slightly confused good sir I am not but a simple cleric in the order of*
Enough of this I see ye to be evil and your mockery and subversion of the suns good faith shall not go un-punished this day I smite you with the mighty smitieness of good *ZAP* Smite evil works, kills him
ACK Gurga...........
Ah once again good has tri......*thunder rumbles*
BRAZAP!!!! good bye paly powers you just killed a good cleric that's gonna be a long atonement there. Can't really say murdered because he truly believed he was evil and was doing something evil by pretending to be a good cleric but guess what WRONG! Tell me you couldn't see that happening in a game with ether being the PC
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2010-09-26, 05:02 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Seduction, Blackmail, and Taking over the World
What about playing as a succubus? You won't be as powerful in combat as you otherwise could, but at will suggestion/teleportation/shapeshifting/etherealness/etc. is pretty useful in a stealthy persuasive type.
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2010-09-26, 06:02 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Seduction, Blackmail, and Taking over the World
He's a trick I came up with: max out forgery and get any noble's autograph you come across. Since their royalty, they won't think twice about someone asking for their autograph. With their signature, you can forge all sorts of phony contracts.
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2010-09-26, 09:35 AM (ISO 8601)
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2010-09-26, 10:08 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Seduction, Blackmail, and Taking over the World
Savage Species would enable you to play as one. I mean, you still get to suck, what, LA +6? But as far as persuasivness goes, you can't beat succubus Add some bard levels on top of it and you've got a good combo. Charm Monster and Suggestion at will really help.
I'm playing as one in our current campaign and I'm only level 4 and am having a jolly good fun with my succubus already. Should be even more fun when I get some more levels under my belt.Adrie, half elven bard. Drawing by Vulion, avatar by CheesePirate. Colored version by Callos_DeTerran. Thanks a lot, you guys.This place is not a place of honor…no highly esteemed deed is commemorated here… nothing valued is here."There will come a day so dark you will pray for death. On that day your prayers will be answered."Book of shadows, book of night, wake the beast and banish light.
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2010-09-26, 11:23 AM (ISO 8601)
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Que tous les anciens dieux et les nouveaux protègent la France.
Resistance Data in MM, Volo's, MToF. -- -- Petrocorus's 3.5 Paladin Builds List. -- -- French vs. EnglishOriginally Posted by King Louis XIII in The Musketeers
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2010-09-26, 11:25 AM (ISO 8601)
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The Change Shape and Teleportation would also be incredibly useful in a campaign where you're trying to influence the leaders of many countries. You could set up false identities in multiple cities, shapeshift, and teleport between them whenever you want. In one day you could have breakfast with King A, lunch with King B, and Dinner with King C, all in separate continents.
Just erm, make sure you get one of those items that hides your true alignment. And do a little research to make sure nobody you're trying to fool can cast True Seeing or has a court wizard to do it for them.
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2010-09-26, 11:27 AM (ISO 8601)
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2010-09-26, 03:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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Alter Self ability that succubus gets is useful anytime. A +10 to Disguise, combined with the skill modifier makes it almost impossible for anybody to see you for what you really are. All in all, much fun. Yeah, succubi are ton of fun... as long as you aren't forced into fight. Because when then happens, they quite literally suck.
Adrie, half elven bard. Drawing by Vulion, avatar by CheesePirate. Colored version by Callos_DeTerran. Thanks a lot, you guys.This place is not a place of honor…no highly esteemed deed is commemorated here… nothing valued is here."There will come a day so dark you will pray for death. On that day your prayers will be answered."Book of shadows, book of night, wake the beast and banish light.
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2010-09-26, 03:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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The DM I pulled this on never questioned it until he saw what I was doing with the signatures. Just use bluff/diplomacy to flatter the person and I'm sure they'd be happy to do it.
And as for being illiterate, unless you're a barbarian that doesn't want to spend the two skill points, anyone can read. Not to mention D&D isn't entirely based on the middle ages.
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2010-09-26, 04:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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Que tous les anciens dieux et les nouveaux protègent la France.
Resistance Data in MM, Volo's, MToF. -- -- Petrocorus's 3.5 Paladin Builds List. -- -- French vs. EnglishOriginally Posted by King Louis XIII in The Musketeers
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2010-09-26, 05:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-09-26, 10:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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