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2010-09-26, 02:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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What do you do if the party dosen't bring a healer?
About to run my first session of Expedition to Greyhawk today. Turns out the party decided not to bring a cleric...or any other type of healer for that matter. The person who stalled on actually joining the game was going to be one but didn't for some reason.
Anyways, I'm thinking I could just add extra healing potions to all of the drops. OR I could just let people die here and there (which Im sure will happen anyways, this module looks tough) for their ignorance : )
First person to die has to reroll cleric!
Anyways, what do you do in these situations?Gary Gygax: "As an author, I also realize that there are limits to my creativity and imagination. Others will think of things I didn't, and devise things beyond my capabilities".
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2010-09-26, 02:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What do you do if the party dosen't bring a healer?
You drop in an NPC healer who goes along with the party and doesn't do anything useful except healing and snark?
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2010-09-26, 02:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What do you do if the party dosen't bring a healer?
Healing belts (MIC) aren't overpowered even at the lowest levels, and will serve the job of a bored cleric pretty well into the game. Just scatter a few of those throughout the loot (the party finds a stash in the armory, the guards or mooks have a couple, or whatever... they're useful enough that it makes perfect sense for enemies to have them) and be glad that no one has chosen the divine route to breaking your game in two.
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2010-09-26, 02:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What do you do if the party dosen't bring a healer?
Party has someone with UMD? Wands of Cure Light Wounds/Lesser Vigor has them covered. Nobody has it? Healing Belts still work. Really, they probably want Healing Belts anyways, and Wands for constant healing after encounters..
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2010-09-26, 02:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What do you do if the party dosen't bring a healer?
After first level or so, Healing Belts and Wands of Cure Light Wounds and/or Lesser Vigor (all 750 gp) become easily affordable if the group pools their money. These can handle out-of-combat healing easily.
In-combat healing is just inefficient until Heal comes into play, so it's not like lacking the Cleric's healing is all that important, since it wouldn't have really mattered until level 11 anyway.
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2010-09-26, 03:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-09-26, 03:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-09-26, 03:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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Yeah, a horde of adepts that you hand a few wands to should do the trick. Maybe give them the Heal skill trick that lets Heal directly restore hp.
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2010-09-26, 03:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-09-26, 03:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-09-26, 03:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What do you do if the party dosen't bring a healer?
Yeah, good luck buying a copy of that one though... Somewhere around 50+ US dollars at the moment.
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2010-09-26, 03:31 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-09-26, 03:43 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What do you do if the party dosen't bring a healer?
Make a pregen cleric and kill off a party member who is reasonable in an aumsing way then hand them the premade cleric, Do this enough times and u can force a Balanced party xD
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2010-09-26, 03:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-09-26, 03:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What do you do if the party dosen't bring a healer?
Killing people's own characters to force them to play premade ones is bad form though.Annoying players since 1990
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2010-09-26, 03:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-09-26, 03:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-09-26, 03:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What do you do if the party dosen't bring a healer?
What classes did they go with anyway? Try and coax them into level dipping into a healing class. Heck, even a level of bard would be good as they can then use wands of CLW.
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2010-09-26, 03:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What do you do if the party dosen't bring a healer?
Well players should be able to use common sense mainly to make a balanced party between them without anybody having to intervene and do something like forcibly making them play premade characters.
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2010-09-26, 04:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What do you do if the party dosen't bring a healer?
What is this "balanced party" you speak of? One of the beauties of 3.5 is that you can make basically any kind of a party work on some level (though obviously, a Tier 6 party will not be capable of performing the kinds of deeds a Tier 1 party can); there's basically nothing that's required.
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2010-09-26, 04:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-09-26, 04:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-09-26, 04:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What do you do if the party dosen't bring a healer?
You could bring a Dragon Shaman 1 dip or NPC: even though the Fast healing aura only heals yup to 1/2 max, it still helps keep everyone alive.
Add in Healing Belt for 750 gp, very cheap and everyone can heal themselves when needed (or others).
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2010-09-26, 04:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What do you do if the party dosen't bring a healer?
on the party balance, if the DM says "Do what you want, just don't be silly about it" and gives a few examples of silly, almost silly, and highly acceptable, and the player makes 4 silly characters in a row, THEN it's ok to give them a pre-gen.
As for healers, just toss out some extra healing loot, and if things to to tough let them draw and drink potions as a single action instead of move and standard.
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2010-09-26, 04:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What do you do if the party dosen't bring a healer?
Just a radical proposal - you know what else can make up for the lack of a healer?
Downtime.
For some reason, this never seems to come up much in campaigns I hear about. But it's very easy (and fitting, and realistic) for the DM to say that "it is now two weeks after the mighty Battle of Blorghipur, and you have fully recovered from your wounds".Guide to the Magus, the Pathfinder Gish class.
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2010-09-26, 04:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What do you do if the party dosen't bring a healer?
on the party balance, if the DM says "Do what you want, just don't be silly about it" and gives a few examples of silly, almost silly, and highly acceptable, and the player makes 4 silly characters in a row, THEN it's ok to give them a pre-gen
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2010-09-26, 04:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What do you do if the party dosen't bring a healer?
If you do it to even one person, you need to think if you really should be DMing. The whole point of playing D&D is to have fun, not just for the DM but for the whole group. If you have to force someone to play something they didn't want to play just so you can have fun as they follow your story, then you failed already.
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2010-09-26, 04:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What do you do if the party dosen't bring a healer?
I think the OP is looking to help them live without a healer. Which is harder than it sounds, as you have to be much more cautious.
My advice would be to have an Adept join the party or something, as an NPC, and make them do a horrible job in combat.
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2010-09-26, 04:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-09-26, 04:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What do you do if the party dosen't bring a healer?
If you do it to even one person, you need to think if you really should be DMing.Annoying players since 1990