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2010-11-01, 12:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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Changeling Superspy
Alright, this is a character the likes of which I don't usually play...
http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetvie...sheetid=250840
Going Changeling Psion primarily, going for a DM-approved variant of Unseen Seer (Prereqs are the same, with all the arcane bits replaced by equal and appropriate Psionic bits).
Got 900 gold to spend (minus the 432 I've already spent on my crossbow, armor, and dagger, but this character isn't really meant for combat anyways.)
I'm mainly looking for help with gear, feat and power selection, and any good combos for this style of play. I've got the feel of the character down pretty well, I just need help making the mechanics match the idea of how the character is supposed to work.-\==/-
I always ask a big question on the League thread right before bedtime so I have something to read while trying to wake up.
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SpoilerI like coming up with concepts for characters, and will do so often. But writing up crunch, especially for anything that isn't level 1, takes me a while, and after wasting lots of time writing unused characters on Mythweavers, I generally don't make a sheet unless a DM really likes the concept. Sorry.
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2010-11-01, 01:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Changeling Superspy
You will definitely want metamorphosis so you can change into objects. People will look behind the crate for the rogue, but they won't expect him to BE the crate. Chameleon is also a nice help. Your psicrystal makes a great spy, especially if you make yours an unassuming rock or piece of gravel.
Psionics' great weakness is a lack of true invisibility; not even Hyperconscious and Untapped Potential have duplicated that power. You'll have to rely on UPD or something with a wand of it.Plague Doctor by Crimmy
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2010-11-01, 01:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Changeling Superspy
You do you get your psycrystal automatically, or do you have to take the feat for it?
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I always ask a big question on the League thread right before bedtime so I have something to read while trying to wake up.
Responses of any sort are wonderful.
SpoilerI like coming up with concepts for characters, and will do so often. But writing up crunch, especially for anything that isn't level 1, takes me a while, and after wasting lots of time writing unused characters on Mythweavers, I generally don't make a sheet unless a DM really likes the concept. Sorry.
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2010-11-01, 02:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Changeling Superspy
Only Erudites get one automatically, everyone else has to pay.
Come to think of it, Erudite would be nice for this build, you could use spell-to-power to pick up all the things psionics can't do like invisibility and fog effects.Plague Doctor by Crimmy
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2010-11-01, 02:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Changeling Superspy
"I live apart from you
But I know the things you do
No angel can save you, how?
You don't need a god, 'cause I'm here now."
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2010-11-01, 06:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Changeling Superspy
Metamorphosis isn't an option, since I went Seer as my discipline (you know, since I'm going Unseen Seer with this....)
So what would be some alternate ways of doing the same thing? UPD? I already have ranks in UMD, but I could afford to bring up UPD eventually.
Another problem I'm having is skill priority, since Psions only get 2+Int skill points per level, and I have a lot of skills to put points in.-\==/-
I always ask a big question on the League thread right before bedtime so I have something to read while trying to wake up.
Responses of any sort are wonderful.
SpoilerI like coming up with concepts for characters, and will do so often. But writing up crunch, especially for anything that isn't level 1, takes me a while, and after wasting lots of time writing unused characters on Mythweavers, I generally don't make a sheet unless a DM really likes the concept. Sorry.
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2010-11-01, 08:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Changeling Superspy
Also, he's pretty lousy in combat right now, but I'm thinking that perhaps some psionic focus shenanigans can help with that? Psionic Shot + Sneak Attack for a good bit of d6's tacked onto my piddly little weapons, possibly with some way of generating touch attacks to make up for poor BAB.
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I always ask a big question on the League thread right before bedtime so I have something to read while trying to wake up.
Responses of any sort are wonderful.
SpoilerI like coming up with concepts for characters, and will do so often. But writing up crunch, especially for anything that isn't level 1, takes me a while, and after wasting lots of time writing unused characters on Mythweavers, I generally don't make a sheet unless a DM really likes the concept. Sorry.
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2010-11-01, 10:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Changeling Superspy
I think you have three options:
1) Stay a Seer, invest in UPD, and get a Dorje of Metamorphosis.
2) Go Egoist (changeling Egoist get a few racial substitution levels in Races of Eberron), and only use Power Stones/Dorjes when you absolutely need a Seer-only power.
3) Erudite. Use Powers from ANY discipline, providing you can track down a Psion or Psionic Item to learn it from.
4) Forget about Metamorphosis and invest in Hide and Move Silently (or Stealth) and maybe a wand of Invisibility.
And Psions get their Psycrystal for free, just like Erudites...changeling Egoists can choose to take a substitution level that lets them change their Psicrystal into ANY personality they wish, granting them its benefit.
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2010-11-02, 01:41 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Changeling Superspy
I like option one best, so I can qualify better for Unseen Seer.
Another question; someone in the OOC thread put up a picture of the TF2 Spy when I described my character. With that in mind, how can I optimize 'backstabbing'? Coup De Grace op? Sneak Attack op?
What is the best way to decloak (or not decloak) or even just use a disguise and get that one crippling or killing blow in?-\==/-
I always ask a big question on the League thread right before bedtime so I have something to read while trying to wake up.
Responses of any sort are wonderful.
SpoilerI like coming up with concepts for characters, and will do so often. But writing up crunch, especially for anything that isn't level 1, takes me a while, and after wasting lots of time writing unused characters on Mythweavers, I generally don't make a sheet unless a DM really likes the concept. Sorry.
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2010-11-02, 05:41 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Changeling Superspy
Note that there's a psion ACF which trades your 1st-level bonus feat for the changeling's Minor Change Shape. So you can use a different race if you want.
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2010-11-02, 05:51 AM (ISO 8601)
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2010-11-02, 05:56 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Changeling Superspy
Last edited by Prime32; 2010-11-02 at 05:57 AM.
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2010-11-02, 06:07 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Changeling Superspy
I would say an iron cage.
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2010-11-02, 09:31 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Changeling Superspy
Metamorphosis is always an option and a damn good one at that.
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2010-11-02, 09:42 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Changeling Superspy
Are you allowed to use Tome of Battle? If so, a one-level dip into Swordsage so you can grab a few Shadow Hand maneuvers is good for that.
If you stay in the Assassin's stance, you gain a +2d6 to sneak attack. Plus you qualify for a feat called Shadow Blade that adds DEX to damage.
You could avoid losing any Manifester levels by taking two Feats (Martial Study to get a Shadow Hand maneuver in order to qualify for the Martial Stance feat), but in your case, I think one level of Swordsage would be worth that one Manifester level.
Of course, this all assumes you are using ToB.
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2010-11-02, 11:11 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Changeling Superspy
We are, and that fits in nicely. I'm taking three levels of Rogue, for the first two Changeling substitution levels, and with Practiced Manifester I have one more level to play around with, and Swordsage works.
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I always ask a big question on the League thread right before bedtime so I have something to read while trying to wake up.
Responses of any sort are wonderful.
SpoilerI like coming up with concepts for characters, and will do so often. But writing up crunch, especially for anything that isn't level 1, takes me a while, and after wasting lots of time writing unused characters on Mythweavers, I generally don't make a sheet unless a DM really likes the concept. Sorry.
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2010-11-02, 08:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Changeling Superspy
In that case, you might want to go with the Unarmed Swordsage variant. You get Improved Unarmed Strike like a Monk but lose Medium Armor proficiency. This way you won't have to worry about having to conceal a weapon or even spend an action to draw one.
Invest two feats in Weapon Finesse and Shadow Blade, and you can become just as adept in melee as the Fighter with the Maxed STR. (I'm assuming that your best stat is INT followed closely by DEX and then CON or CHA).
So...that's your damage issue taken care of, probably. What level are you starting at?Last edited by Raging Gene Ray; 2010-11-02 at 08:57 PM.
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2010-11-02, 10:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Changeling Superspy
Starting at level 2. The link in the first post is the character sheet as it stands now.
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I always ask a big question on the League thread right before bedtime so I have something to read while trying to wake up.
Responses of any sort are wonderful.
SpoilerI like coming up with concepts for characters, and will do so often. But writing up crunch, especially for anything that isn't level 1, takes me a while, and after wasting lots of time writing unused characters on Mythweavers, I generally don't make a sheet unless a DM really likes the concept. Sorry.